What will make you fatter...?

PercivalHackworth

Well if it's not a tricky question, I'd say fat ; since calories from carbohydrates needs to be converted to triglycerides before they can be stored as body fat. The conversion uses around 25% of the energy coming from the food. That means in your case, with 1000 calories of pure carbohydrates in excess, only 750 calories worth of fat would be used.
Fat in one another hand requires around 3%, meaning in our case, around 970 calories stored as fat.
Now if the question is about the absolute energetic value, well, 1000 calories in excess are 1000 calories

thatguy010

I think it's the same calories are calories

bloodbank

you can't gain fat on a calorie surplus if you're doing tae bo.

High five, sir. HIGH. FIVE.

PercivalHackworth

I think it's the same calories are calories

Being fatter = storing fat

weathergirl320

Surely the fat would make you fatter if you were still ingesting enough carbs to allow your body to do it's thang, carbs being the preferred fuel?

Imma go with fat! Going to follow this topic, hopefully I'll learn something!

Wouldn't all the carbs you were overeating lead to crazy spiking of insulin, turning you into a fat storing monster? Thought I read somewhere that carbs ---->insulin spike---->fat gain

Imo, depends on the carbs. 1000 calories of lettuce or broccoli won't give you an insulin spike because it has a low glycemic index. 1000 calories of whole wheat toast, different story. Although its a lot easier to get 1000 calories of toast than lettuce or broccoli.

joejccva71

Carbs rarely ever get stored as fat (de novo lipogenesis}, but ingested dietary fat (overdoing it) can.

This is especially true if your glycogen levels are depleted. Excess carb intake replenishes glycogen levels, but fat doesn't.

I remember reading this from Lyle McDonald a while ago and I found it: (this answers the question to some degree)

How We Get Fat Part 3: Back to Nutrient Intake, Oxidation and Storage
Now, here’s where people got confused by Excess Protein Intake and Fat Storage – Q&A, and where they would have been unconfused by clicking the linked article on Nutrient Intake, Oxidation and Storage. In fact, I’d suggest you go read it right now, it’s not that long and since I’m not going to retype all of it here (that’s why I wrote it the first time), it’d be a good idea. I’ll wait.
However, since I know most of you will have just ignored my suggestion to actually read that piece, I’m going to summarize a few points from it (as well as from the Q&A):
Carbs are rarely converted to fat and stored as such
When you eat more carbs you burn more carbs and less fat; eat less carbs and you burn less carbs and more fat
Protein is basically never going to be converted to fat and stored as such
When you eat more protein, you burn more protein (and by extension, less carbs and less fat); eat less protein and you burn less protein (and by extension, more carbs and more fat)
Ingested dietary fat is primarily stored, eating more of it doesn’t impact on fat oxidation to a significant degree
Let’s work through this backwards. When you eat dietary fat, it’s primary fate is storage as its intake has very little impact on fat oxidation (and don’t ask me a bunch of questions about “But people say you have to eat fat to burn fat?” in the comments. That idea is fundamentally wrong but would take an entire article to address). It also doesn’t impact greatly on the oxidation of the protein or carbohydrates.
Carbohydrates are rarely converted to fat (a process called de novo lipogenesis) under normal dietary conditions. There are exceptions when this occurs. One is with massive chronic overfeeding of carbs. I’m talking 700-900 grams of carbs per day for multiple days. Under those conditions, carbs max out glycogen stores, are in excess of total daily energy requirements and you see the conversion of carbohydrate to fat for storage. But this is not a normal dietary situation for most people.
A few very stupid studies have shown that glucose INFUSION at levels of 1.5 total daily energy expenditure can cause DNL to occur but this is equally non-physiological. There is also some evidence that DNL may be increased in individuals with hyperinsulinemia (often secondary to obesity). There’s one final exception that I’ll use to finish this piece.
But when you eat more carbs, you burn more carbs and burn less fat. And that’s why even if carbs aren’t directly converted to fat and stored as such, excess carbs can STILL MAKE YOU FAT. Basically, by inhibiting fat oxidation, excess carbs cause you to store all the fat you’re eating without burning any of it off. Did you get that? Let me repeat it again.
Carbs don’t make you fat via direct conversion and storage to fat; but excess carbs can still make you fat by blunting out the normal daily fat oxidation so that all of the fat you’re eating is stored. Which is why a 500 cal surplus of fat and a 500 cal surplus of carbs can both make you fat; they just do it for different reasons through different mechanisms. The 500 calories of excess fat is simply stored; the excess 500 calories of carbs ensure that all the fat you’re eating is stored because carb oxidation goes up and fat oxidation goes down. Got it? If not, re-read this paragraph until it sinks in.
Oh yeah, the same holds for protein. Protein isn’t going to be converted to and stored as fat. But eat excess protein and the body will burn more protein for energy (and less carbs and fat). Which means that the other nutrients have to get stored. Which means that excess protein can still make you fat, just not by direct conversion. Rather, it does it by ensuring that the fat you’re eating gets stored.
Of course protein also has the highest thermic effect, more of the incoming calories are burned off. So excess protein tends to have the least odds of making you fat under any conditions; but excess protein can make you fat. Just not by direct conversion to fat; rather it’s indirectly by decreasing the oxidation of other nutrients.
Ok, is the above clear enough? Because I can’t really explain it any simpler but will try one last time using bullet points and an example. Let’s assume someone is eating at exactly maintenance calories. Neither gaining nor losing fat. Here’s what happens with excess calories. Assume that all three conditions represent identical increases in caloric intake, just from each of the different macros. Here’s what happens mechanistically and why all three still make you fat:
Excess dietary fat is directly stored as fat
Excess dietary carbs increases carb oxidation, impairing fat oxidation; more of your daily fat intake is stored as fat
Excess dietary protein increases protein oxidation, impairing fat oxidation; more of your daily fat intake is stored as fat.

Acg67

Interesting answers so far

joejccva71

Sorry if it's TLDR. Lol. I wanted to cover all basis so I copied and pasted his entire paragraph.

Squidgeypaws007

Surely the fat would make you fatter if you were still ingesting enough carbs to allow your body to do it's thang, carbs being the preferred fuel?

Imma go with fat! Going to follow this topic, hopefully I'll learn something!

Wouldn't all the carbs you were overeating lead to crazy spiking of insulin, turning you into a fat storing monster? Thought I read somewhere that carbs ---->insulin spike---->fat gain

hmmm, that;s a fair point....surely that would just lead to you being hungrier though? Rather than storing everything?

Squidgeypaws007

Well if it's not a tricky question, I'd say fat ; since calories from carbohydrates needs to be converted to triglycerides before they can be stored as body fat. The conversion uses around 25% of the energy coming from the food. That means in your case, with 1000 calories of pure carbohydrates in excess, only 750 calories worth of fat would be used.
Fat in one another hand requires around 3%, meaning in our case, around 970 calories stored as fat.
Now if the question is about the absolute energetic value, well, 1000 calories in excess are 1000 calories

That was my reasoning, more eloquently put

Tzippy7

the carbs will make you fatter!

Acg67

the carbs will make you fatter!

rationale?

Jeff92se

real answer?

Helloitsdan

Either one.
You are going over the calories in whatever macronutrient....

albinogorilla

I would say that both will make you equally fat, but that the fat would be the less healthy of the two options.
Based on nothing, but my personal opinion.

exacerbe

Calories are calories. But one might hurt your heart, liver, and other organs quicker than the other.

All based on assumption. If I drank 1000 calories of alcohol every day, my liver would slowly begin to break down and die.

taso42

real answer?

42

Matt_Wild

Science and studies will show similar amounts, varying person to person. However its impossible to say. I eat 6500 calories in the off season per day and 3500 when I cut and yet in terms of weight gained, it was around 0.5lb a week, which in theory should be miles out - I should put on 4-6lb of weight (be it muscle or fat!) per week. Exercise and cardio remains the same. Not black and white really!

Helloitsdan

real answer?

42

Yeeeeessssssss!!!!!!!
Wait....

Whats 42?
=D

moonspells

real answer?

42

Nice! lol