Is she right or wrong?
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DAVE!!!! HELP ME HERE!!!!!!!
I think Dave is gone. His account is deactivated, anyway.0 -
I think there's a happy medium.
I grew up fairly healthy - only two snacks a day, 2 glasses of milk a day, our dinner plates were filled halfway with veggies, the rest divided by meat and startch, we had to have 3 pieces of fruit or veggies a day...
Were the snacks processed? Yup. Many times, our dinners were also because a single mother of 4 who worked 8 hours a day and ran her children to baseball/dance class/soccer/gymnastics/band practice/any afterschool acitivities could not always afford or have the time to go clean with us.
Guess what? We were still busy, active kids. We were only allowed 1 hour of tv a day and rarely had time for that. We all grew up to be healthy, active adults.
So really, there's a happy medium. The extreme on either side annoys the hell out of me.0 -
DAVE!!!! HELP ME HERE!!!!!!!
Are you talking about Dave198? Because he's gone.
I have to tell you that everybody with and morals and values has to be "a freak" or "weirdo" at some point in their lives because it's a big world where we run into people who don't share those values. I had to learn to be assertive as a child when friends wanted to do things that I believed were wrong... and I think that was a good developmental process for me. Also, I doubt EVERY child has cupcakes brought in for their birthday. Nobody ever did that for me...:sad: ..only a few kids whose parents wanted to make their child feel special and loved and celebrated. Is that really so horrible? I doubt a single human being in America is going to live their entire lives without a little high fructose corn syrup, msg, red dye #6, and partially hydrodgenated oil. Are these things healthy? NO WAY. But there are no bubbles for any of us out here in the real world. I just don't think it's that big of a deal.0 -
DAVE!!!! HELP ME HERE!!!!!!!
Are you talking about Dave198? Because he's gone.
I have to tell you that everybody with and morals and values has to be "a freak" or "weirdo" at some point in their lives because it's a big world where we run into people who don't share those values. I had to learn to be assertive as a child when friends wanted to do things that I believed were wrong... and I think that was a good developmental process for me. Also, I doubt EVERY child has cupcakes brought in for their birthday. Nobody ever did that for me...:sad: ..only a few kids whose parents wanted to make their child feel special and loved and celebrated. Is that really so horrible? I doubt a single human being in America is going to live their entire lives without a little high fructose corn syrup, msg, red dye #6, and partially hydrodgenated oil. Are these things healthy? NO WAY. But there are no bubbles for any of us out here in the real world. I just don't think it's that big of a deal.
Hmmmm, saw a post from Dave a few days ago...and yes, I have seen several people say he's not coming back?
It's not about going to live your entire life without those things...it's about forming habits.
You all live in your little world of "just a few is ok"....and obesity will continue to grow. What a shame our kids suffer for the lack of adults who will stand up for them.0 -
Besides, I am 30 years old....when my friends and I were kids, there was not this obese child epidemic going around, and we had cupcakes and special treats at school. Why is that? Because when we were kids, we played and ran around and got exercise. Now all kids do is sit around like lazy lumps playing video games. Not to mention the fact that recess has been cut more than half of what it was when I was a kid.
SO TRUE! Get them outside to play!
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I am 33 and you both need to realize that things are a lot different now! For starters, there are many more chemicals and artificial everything in foods today than there were when we were growing up. Video games started with our generation!
It totally pisses me off when people call kids today lazy! It's "parents" who buy the video games, it's "parents" who are so busy with their own lives that they don't take their kids to the park or outside to play.
Our neighborhoods are no longer safe to play in. Criminals have more rights than children do, so blaming the kids for being "lazy lumps" is pretty unfair.
I can't speak intelligently on the chemicals and artificial stuff in foods now as compared to when I was a kid. But I do know that McDonalds, pop, cookies, and candy existed when I was a kid. Eating out anywhere was a rare treat and my parents always cooked a rather healthy meal and drinking pop at the dinner table was unheard of. So there was certainly enough junk back then to create obese kids, but it wasn't a problem..
You can say for the most part that most of what kids learn is through their parents, so whether they learn to be lazy from their parents or not, that still doesn't change the fact that they are lazy. They have their own mind and they can go be active if they want to. But yes, the parents needs to start parenting and actually make their children follow rules of being more active and less time playing video games so that it becomes a way of life for them.
Yeah it does seem that the world is more dangerous nowadays, but is it really? Or do we just hear about things more thanks to news on every channel, internet, news updates to our cell phones, etc. Fortunately, I don't know of anyone personally who has every been abducted, and I would say most people do not. I'm not going to get into that debate, but you most certainly can go play in your backyard without much fear of being abducted. Parents should teach their kids to be safe and smart, but teaching them to stay inside and avoid playing at parks becasue there are predadors in this world is not a good thing.
My aunt is perhaps one of the most aware parents as there is when it comes to keeping her kids safe and knowing where the sex offenders live, etc. But her kids are still allowed to ride their bikes and go play with their friends. I don't know what kind of neighborhood you live in, but I would certainly let my kids play in my neighborhood....and even in the worst of neighborhoods, there is still the backyard as an option.0 -
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One of my good friends in college had a mother like this, I think thats part of why this article caught my attention. Her daughter (my friend) was terrified of eating anything unhealthy. It led to her being bulemic, because every time she ate something, if she found it had some chemical that was verboten as a child, she would force herself to bring it up. It ruined her career in the military as a medic - they forced her out on psychological grounds. This led to a nervous breakdown.
She also could not go out to restaurants who would not provide her a recipe of everything she ate.
Thankfully she has recovered from everything, and is starting to level out. However I think that there is a point where it goes beyond "standing up for your kids" to the point where you're essentially setting them up to be outcasts who are too neurotic to function in today's society.
Further, I assure you that being the child of the parent who "ruins everything" for other kids (in their eyes) does not do good things for the child's popularity, or formation of peer groups. Quite simply, no one wants to hang out with a kid whose parent always steps in and wrecks everyone's fun.0 -
DAVE!!!! HELP ME HERE!!!!!!!
Are you talking about Dave198? Because he's gone.
I have to tell you that everybody with and morals and values has to be "a freak" or "weirdo" at some point in their lives because it's a big world where we run into people who don't share those values. I had to learn to be assertive as a child when friends wanted to do things that I believed were wrong... and I think that was a good developmental process for me. Also, I doubt EVERY child has cupcakes brought in for their birthday. Nobody ever did that for me...:sad: ..only a few kids whose parents wanted to make their child feel special and loved and celebrated. Is that really so horrible? I doubt a single human being in America is going to live their entire lives without a little high fructose corn syrup, msg, red dye #6, and partially hydrodgenated oil. Are these things healthy? NO WAY. But there are no bubbles for any of us out here in the real world. I just don't think it's that big of a deal.
Hmmmm, saw a post from Dave a few days ago...and yes, I have seen several people say he's not coming back?
It's not about going to live your entire life without those things...it's about forming habits.
You all live in your little world of "just a few is ok"....and obesity will continue to grow. What a shame our kids suffer for the lack of adults who will stand up for them.
Are we still taking about food? Just a few IS okay. There is SOME (albeit miniscual) nutritional value to a cupcake and a juice pop. Parents instill *habits*. We're talking about the *exceptions* in their diets... the occasionally non-clean food. It's okay. Really.0 -
If she is that concerned about what her kids are expose dto at school, she may want to try home schooling. Then they are just exposed to her!0
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DAVE!!!! HELP ME HERE!!!!!!!
Are you talking about Dave198? Because he's gone.
I have to tell you that everybody with and morals and values has to be "a freak" or "weirdo" at some point in their lives because it's a big world where we run into people who don't share those values. I had to learn to be assertive as a child when friends wanted to do things that I believed were wrong... and I think that was a good developmental process for me. Also, I doubt EVERY child has cupcakes brought in for their birthday. Nobody ever did that for me...:sad: ..only a few kids whose parents wanted to make their child feel special and loved and celebrated. Is that really so horrible? I doubt a single human being in America is going to live their entire lives without a little high fructose corn syrup, msg, red dye #6, and partially hydrodgenated oil. Are these things healthy? NO WAY. But there are no bubbles for any of us out here in the real world. I just don't think it's that big of a deal.
Hmmmm, saw a post from Dave a few days ago...and yes, I have seen several people say he's not coming back?
It's not about going to live your entire life without those things...it's about forming habits.
You all live in your little world of "just a few is ok"....and obesity will continue to grow. What a shame our kids suffer for the lack of adults who will stand up for them.
1-Dave IS gone....his account is cleared...look for yourself.
2-Don't blame us for the fact that obesity exists...it always will.
3-A few really is okay.
4-I do control what my daughter is allowed to have, but I won't deny her the right to eat one or two things a week that are 'junk'. When your kids are out of your house they'll probably binge. You have four...two of them are teens (just juding by your pic) I'm sure that they go eat at fast food places once in a while with their friends....is that not okay?0 -
DAVE!!!! HELP ME HERE!!!!!!!
Are you talking about Dave198? Because he's gone.
I have to tell you that everybody with and morals and values has to be "a freak" or "weirdo" at some point in their lives because it's a big world where we run into people who don't share those values. I had to learn to be assertive as a child when friends wanted to do things that I believed were wrong... and I think that was a good developmental process for me. Also, I doubt EVERY child has cupcakes brought in for their birthday. Nobody ever did that for me...:sad: ..only a few kids whose parents wanted to make their child feel special and loved and celebrated. Is that really so horrible? I doubt a single human being in America is going to live their entire lives without a little high fructose corn syrup, msg, red dye #6, and partially hydrodgenated oil. Are these things healthy? NO WAY. But there are no bubbles for any of us out here in the real world. I just don't think it's that big of a deal.
Hmmmm, saw a post from Dave a few days ago...and yes, I have seen several people say he's not coming back?
It's not about going to live your entire life without those things...it's about forming habits.
You all live in your little world of "just a few is ok"....and obesity will continue to grow. What a shame our kids suffer for the lack of adults who will stand up for them.
Are we still taking about food? Just a few IS okay. There is SOME (albeit miniscual) nutritional value to a cupcake and a juice pop. Parents instill *habits*. We're talking about the *exceptions* in their diets... the occasionally non-clean food. It's okay. Really.
Exactly. As I said, we grew up on freeze-y pops and fish sticks and veggies and fruit and Little Debbie snacks and healthy cerial and pancakes and syrup with lots of butter and the very very occasional fast food meal and GUESS WHAT!
None of us are overweight in the least, and we're still active, healthy adults.
Sheesh.
Do I eat as well and as clean as I can? Yes, I do. Would I allow my child a cup cake? You betcha.0 -
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I can't speak intelligently on the chemicals and artificial stuff in foods now as compared to when I was a kid. But I do know that McDonalds, pop, cookies, and candy existed when I was a kid. Eating out anywhere was a rare treat and my parents always cooked a rather healthy meal and drinking pop at the dinner table was unheard of. So there was certainly enough junk back then to create obese kids, but it wasn't a problem..
You can say for the most part that most of what kids learn is through their parents, so whether they learn to be lazy from their parents or not, that still doesn't change the fact that they are lazy. They have their own mind and they can go be active if they want to. But yes, the parents needs to start parenting and actually make their children follow rules of being more active and less time playing video games so that it becomes a way of life for them.
Yeah it does seem that the world is more dangerous nowadays, but is it really? Or do we just hear about things more thanks to news on every channel, internet, news updates to our cell phones, etc. Fortunately, I don't know of anyone personally who has every been abducted, and I would say most people do not. I'm not going to get into that debate, but you most certainly can go play in your backyard without much fear of being abducted. Parents should teach their kids to be safe and smart, but teaching them to stay inside and avoid playing at parks becasue there are predadors in this world is not a good thing.
My aunt is perhaps one of the most aware parents as there is when it comes to keeping her kids safe and knowing where the sex offenders live, etc. But her kids are still allowed to ride their bikes and go play with their friends. I don't know what kind of neighborhood you live in, but I would certainly let my kids play in my neighborhood....and even in the worst of neighborhoods, there is still the backyard as an option.
My point is that while junk food existed when we were kids, it exists in a different form. For example, pop had sugar in it instead of HFCS...there are "new" checmicals and additives in food today that didn't exist, weren't approved and weren't used when we were growing up.
As far as my neighborhood, lol, nice try at a dig, there actually are ZERO sex offenders in our entire sub division, and while I do take my children outside, for many kids that is not an option. I grew up in Neveah Buchanan's hometown, I live thirty miles from there. Long before her tragic death, I would have never let my kids play alone there, even in my backyard. Parents have to get off their own lazy behinds and play with their kids. Throwing them in the back yard to get them out of your hair isn't good parenting, even in your neighbohood! There is a lot to be gained by actually playing with them and if you honestly think American parents do enough of that, we must live on different planets, not just different neighnorhoods.
MFP will have a very long life as obesity will always exist, because adults who were made to feel less than special when no one brought cupcakes to school on their birthday attempt to satisfy their own emotions by feeding their kids garbage. It will always exist because if you aren't "middle of the road" if you aren't open to agreeing to things you believe are wrong for the sake of not offending ONE person, you are "extreme" and extreme is bad in America, even if you try to be extremely healthy. We must all be equally flawed, equally weak, and make equally poor choices...for if not, someone will be offended...0 -
one word...moderation!
They say good eating habits are formed at home...if you overeat, undereat or obsess about everything you eat, your kids will probably do the same.
I have two children in school. I pack their lunch and snacks everyday. My youngest only goes half-day and everyday she gets a fruit or veggie and a bottle with half water half 100% apple juice not from concentrate. My other daughter always has a well rounded lunch and either a fruit or veggie for snacktime. The only drink she ever brings is ice water, her choice...For their birthday celebrations this year one requested brown bag popcorn, the other asked me to bring in cheese (NY extra sharp cheddar), crackers (KA-ME sesame rice crackers) and grapes. These are their favorite snacks so they wanted to share them with their friends. The school has a rule if you bring in snacks before 2pm, they have to be healthy, so it doesn't ruin their lunch appitite. I would say probably half their classes (10 out of 20 kids) bring in sweets for their birthday celebrations. When they have other parties there is always a lot to pick from, sweets, fruits, veggies bagels etc...
I understand there is an obesity problem in this country, but I truly feel that the problem starts at home and the schools cannot, and should not, be held responsible for it...
I'm on these boards because over the past few years I have gained some weight because I was not paying enough attention to ME! I'm getting back into a healthy lifestyle, one that I hope I'm teaching my children...
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My point is that while junk food existed when we were kids, it exists in a different form. For example, pop had sugar in it instead of HFCS...there are "new" checmicals and additives in food today that didn't exist, weren't approved and weren't used when we were growing up.
As far as my neighborhood, lol, nice try at a dig, there actually are ZERO sex offenders in our entire sub division, and while I do take my children outside, for many kids that is not an option. I grew up in Neveah Buchanan's hometown, I live thirty miles from there. Long before her tragic death, I would have never let my kids play alone there, even in my backyard. Parents have to get off their own lazy behinds and play with their kids. Throwing them in the back yard to get them out of your hair isn't good parenting, even in your neighbohood! There is a lot to be gained by actually playing with them and if you honestly think American parents do enough of that, we must live on different planets, not just different neighnorhoods.
MFP will have a very long life as obesity will always exist, because adults who were made to feel less than special when no one brought cupcakes to school on their birthday attempt to satisfy their own emotions by feeding their kids garbage. It will always exist because if you aren't "middle of the road" if you aren't open to agreeing to things you believe are wrong for the sake of not offending ONE person, you are "extreme" and extreme is bad in America, even if you try to be extremely healthy. We must all be equally flawed, equally weak, and make equally poor choices...for if not, someone will be offended...
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Lordy woman...you seem to be the one who feels intemidated by someone elses post. Besides...you might want to name who you're attacking...as it seems that you're attacking multiple people and I'd love to know if it's me or not. At least Dave had some decency in his way of taking on a post....you...not so much. It's great if you're raising your kids 'right' but most people can't afford to always be healthy or take their kids out to play. 0 -
Ladies, let's play nice and be grown ups. I suggest that we remember that it was asked what our OPINIONS are and because we are each unique individuals, those opinions will differ from person to person. This is a great community with a lot of nice people but some hot topics seem to set people off - apparently raising kids and control over what they eat is one of them. Remember that it's hard to distinguish emotion in a post and it's up to the reader to interpret this. I'm sure no one meant to attack each other so how about we just drop it and move on?0
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Ladies, let's play nice and be grown ups. I suggest that we remember that it was asked what our OPINIONS are and because we are each unique individuals, those opinions will differ from person to person. This is a great community with a lot of nice people but some hot topics seem to set people off - apparently raising kids and control over what they eat is one of them. Remember that it's hard to distinguish emotion in a post and it's up to the reader to interpret this. I'm sure no one meant to attack each other so how about we just drop it and move on?
I just wanna know if it's me or someone else. She seems really pissed off on this subject.0 -
My point is that while junk food existed when we were kids, it exists in a different form. For example, pop had sugar in it instead of HFCS...there are "new" checmicals and additives in food today that didn't exist, weren't approved and weren't used when we were growing up.
As far as my neighborhood, lol, nice try at a dig, there actually are ZERO sex offenders in our entire sub division, and while I do take my children outside, for many kids that is not an option. I grew up in Neveah Buchanan's hometown, I live thirty miles from there. Long before her tragic death, I would have never let my kids play alone there, even in my backyard. Parents have to get off their own lazy behinds and play with their kids. Throwing them in the back yard to get them out of your hair isn't good parenting, even in your neighbohood! There is a lot to be gained by actually playing with them and if you honestly think American parents do enough of that, we must live on different planets, not just different neighnorhoods.
MFP will have a very long life as obesity will always exist, because adults who were made to feel less than special when no one brought cupcakes to school on their birthday attempt to satisfy their own emotions by feeding their kids garbage. It will always exist because if you aren't "middle of the road" if you aren't open to agreeing to things you believe are wrong for the sake of not offending ONE person, you are "extreme" and extreme is bad in America, even if you try to be extremely healthy. We must all be equally flawed, equally weak, and make equally poor choices...for if not, someone will be offended...
No no no no no no...
1. I don't have children, but children of my friends and my nieces and nephews get clean whole balanced meals and snacks when they stay at my house. We make waffles from scratch, try new fruits and vegetables, and drink water. I don't even have pop, kool-aid, chips (except organic blue corn tortilla chips), a single cookie or little debbie snack in my house. They don't even exist in my world. I don't stuff children full of enriched flour and partially hydrogenated oils to make up for the trauma of no cupcakes brought to school on my birthday... I agree with the premise... just not the extent to which it's being carried out.
2. Do you *seriously* not allow any of your children to ever go to a fast food restaurant, eat cake or ice cream, have a lollipop, eat at friends houses, go to birthday parties, or drink a coke? Be honest. Seriously?
3. I'm not saying you have to fit in with anyone's flaws, weaknesses, or poor choices. I'm just saying you don't have the right to enforce THEIR compliance to your *opinion* of what the best food choices are. Every child should be allowed to refuse the cupcake, but one child should not be allowed to take everyone's cupcakes away. As I said before, because I have morals and values, I get to be a freak sometimes. So what? Maybe I can enlighten someone else or maybe they can enlighten me, but I will make the choices for myself that I feel are best. That's called freedom. If I want to make poor choices, as long as I'm not forcing those choices on another person or infringing upon their rights, I may. America is awesome like that. I'm all for teaching people, but not forcing people when it comes to food choices.
4. This is food. It's not black and white, good and evil. Popcorn has it's good points and it's bad points. Chocolate has antioxidants but also has fat and sugar. There is no perfect food that is all we need to ingest. We need variety.0 -
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My point is that while junk food existed when we were kids, it exists in a different form. For example, pop had sugar in it instead of HFCS...there are "new" checmicals and additives in food today that didn't exist, weren't approved and weren't used when we were growing up.
As far as my neighborhood, lol, nice try at a dig, there actually are ZERO sex offenders in our entire sub division, and while I do take my children outside, for many kids that is not an option. I grew up in Neveah Buchanan's hometown, I live thirty miles from there. Long before her tragic death, I would have never let my kids play alone there, even in my backyard. Parents have to get off their own lazy behinds and play with their kids. Throwing them in the back yard to get them out of your hair isn't good parenting, even in your neighbohood! There is a lot to be gained by actually playing with them and if you honestly think American parents do enough of that, we must live on different planets, not just different neighnorhoods.
MFP will have a very long life as obesity will always exist, because adults who were made to feel less than special when no one brought cupcakes to school on their birthday attempt to satisfy their own emotions by feeding their kids garbage. It will always exist because if you aren't "middle of the road" if you aren't open to agreeing to things you believe are wrong for the sake of not offending ONE person, you are "extreme" and extreme is bad in America, even if you try to be extremely healthy. We must all be equally flawed, equally weak, and make equally poor choices...for if not, someone will be offended...
[/quote] Lordy woman...you seem to be the one who feels intemidated by someone elses post. Besides...you might want to name who you're attacking...as it seems that you're attacking multiple people and I'd love to know if it's me or not. At least Dave had some decency in his way of taking on a post....you...not so much. It's great if you're raising your kids 'right' but most people can't afford to always be healthy or take their kids out to play.
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I'm not attacking anyone! Honestly, is it so wrong to feel passionately about something?
I am so frustrated right now I could breathe fire. Not at any one, not at all, more at the lack of information provided to the person walking through life, and I suppose at the lack of motivation at so many people who choose to get offended when someone says something is wrong, even if it is, because changing behavior is hard.
I saw an 11 year old with high cholesterol last week. I think many people on MFP, and in general, hear that childhood obesity is an epidemic but if it isn't hitting your kid, or if you are in denial and it is, then "just a few" won't hurt....
Please, please, please educate yourselves about what kids are really consuming. I get that the woman in the article is probably a little whacked and yes, she probably controls too much of her kid's lives, but just because "everyone" accepts that it's ok, doesn't make it so.
I apologize if I offended anyone. It's just very difficult to spend my days hearing from kids who WANT to eat healthy and then have adults who pass it off as "no big deal".0 -
My point is that while junk food existed when we were kids, it exists in a different form. For example, pop had sugar in it instead of HFCS...there are "new" checmicals and additives in food today that didn't exist, weren't approved and weren't used when we were growing up.
As far as my neighborhood, lol, nice try at a dig, there actually are ZERO sex offenders in our entire sub division, and while I do take my children outside, for many kids that is not an option. I grew up in Neveah Buchanan's hometown, I live thirty miles from there. Long before her tragic death, I would have never let my kids play alone there, even in my backyard. Parents have to get off their own lazy behinds and play with their kids. Throwing them in the back yard to get them out of your hair isn't good parenting, even in your neighbohood! There is a lot to be gained by actually playing with them and if you honestly think American parents do enough of that, we must live on different planets, not just different neighnorhoods.
MFP will have a very long life as obesity will always exist, because adults who were made to feel less than special when no one brought cupcakes to school on their birthday attempt to satisfy their own emotions by feeding their kids garbage. It will always exist because if you aren't "middle of the road" if you aren't open to agreeing to things you believe are wrong for the sake of not offending ONE person, you are "extreme" and extreme is bad in America, even if you try to be extremely healthy. We must all be equally flawed, equally weak, and make equally poor choices...for if not, someone will be offended...
No no no no no no...
1. I don't have children, but children of my friends and my nieces and nephews get clean whole balanced meals and snacks when they stay at my house. We make waffles from scratch, try new fruits and vegetables, and drink water. I don't even have pop, kool-aid, chips (except organic blue corn tortilla chips), a single cookie or little debbie snack in my house. They don't even exist in my world. I don't stuff children full of enriched flour and partially hydrogenated oils to make up for the trauma of no cupcakes brought to school on my birthday... I agree with the premise... just not the extent to which it's being carried out.
2. Do you *seriously* not allow any of your children to ever go to a fast food restaurant, eat cake or ice cream, have a lollipop, eat at friends houses, go to birthday parties, or drink a coke? Be honest. Seriously?
3. I'm not saying you have to fit in with anyone's flaws, weaknesses, or poor choices. I'm just saying you don't have the right to enforce THEIR compliance to you *opinion* of what the best food choices are. Every child should be allowed to refuse the cupcake, but one child should not be allowed to take everyone's cupcakes away. As I said before, because I have morals and values, I get to be a freak sometimes. So what? Maybe I can enlighten someone else or maybe they can enlighten me, but I will make the choices for myself that I feel are best. That's called freedom. If I want to make poor choices, as long as I'm not forcing those choices on another person or infringing upon their rights, I may. America is awesome like that. I'm all for teaching people, but not forcing people when it comes to food choices.
4. This is food. It's not black and white, good and evil. Popcorn has it's good points and it's bad points. Chocolate has antioxidants but also has fat and sugar. There is no perfect food that is all we need to ingest. We need variety.
I never said my kids never eat garbage. I said, I don't think it's right to make it an acceptable habit in the place where they are supposed to be spending time learning.
I sometimes sound like I am on a high horse because what I think is right and true may sound like what I live is right and true, not so, not at all.
I am pissed off. Not at anyone here, not at anything said here. I'm pissed off that our children are being duped into a life of medical problems because we as parents can't deal with our issues, can't make time for them, can't do what's right when we know it is.
My kids have birthday cake. At home. I make them whatever cake they want, with whatever junk they want on it. For school, I make mini yogurt parfaits. They are the popular kids in school, my house IS the house that everyone wants to hang out and eat at. My kid's friends do not think we are weird.
Someone said something about parenting the "right" or "good" way. I screw up all the time. I fail to plan dinner and feed them things I otherwise wouldn't have. My point is that as a whole, we as parents do not try hard enough. I know I am in that lot and I work everyday to improve that. What I am hearing on here is that there is no improvement needed, and that's not ok.
School is where kids spend the majority of their waking hours. They learn SO much more than academics there, so why won't schools tackle this EXTREMELY important area of their lives?0 -
My point is that while junk food existed when we were kids, it exists in a different form. For example, pop had sugar in it instead of HFCS...there are "new" checmicals and additives in food today that didn't exist, weren't approved and weren't used when we were growing up.
As far as my neighborhood, lol, nice try at a dig, there actually are ZERO sex offenders in our entire sub division, and while I do take my children outside, for many kids that is not an option. I grew up in Neveah Buchanan's hometown, I live thirty miles from there. Long before her tragic death, I would have never let my kids play alone there, even in my backyard. Parents have to get off their own lazy behinds and play with their kids. Throwing them in the back yard to get them out of your hair isn't good parenting, even in your neighbohood! There is a lot to be gained by actually playing with them and if you honestly think American parents do enough of that, we must live on different planets, not just different neighnorhoods.
MFP will have a very long life as obesity will always exist, because adults who were made to feel less than special when no one brought cupcakes to school on their birthday attempt to satisfy their own emotions by feeding their kids garbage. It will always exist because if you aren't "middle of the road" if you aren't open to agreeing to things you believe are wrong for the sake of not offending ONE person, you are "extreme" and extreme is bad in America, even if you try to be extremely healthy. We must all be equally flawed, equally weak, and make equally poor choices...for if not, someone will be offended...
[/quote] Lordy woman...you seem to be the one who feels intemidated by someone elses post. Besides...you might want to name who you're attacking...as it seems that you're attacking multiple people and I'd love to know if it's me or not. At least Dave had some decency in his way of taking on a post....you...not so much. It's great if you're raising your kids 'right' but most people can't afford to always be healthy or take their kids out to play.
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I'm not attacking anyone! Honestly, is it so wrong to feel passionately about something?
I am so frustrated right now I could breathe fire. Not at any one, not at all, more at the lack of information provided to the person walking through life, and I suppose at the lack of motivation at so many people who choose to get offended when someone says something is wrong, even if it is, because changing behavior is hard.
I saw an 11 year old with high cholesterol last week. I think many people on MFP, and in general, hear that childhood obesity is an epidemic but if it isn't hitting your kid, or if you are in denial and it is, then "just a few" won't hurt....
Please, please, please educate yourselves about what kids are really consuming. I get that the woman in the article is probably a little whacked and yes, she probably controls too much of her kid's lives, but just because "everyone" accepts that it's ok, doesn't make it so.
I apologize if I offended anyone. It's just very difficult to spend my days hearing from kids who WANT to eat healthy and then have adults who pass it off as "no big deal".
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1-Most people are on this site to get in shape...and with that most of the kids will be as well. My family eats clean...almost no processed foods. But it is not practical for many people...it's up to choice. It's my choice to eat clean, be a vegetarian, and make sure my daughter eats a blanced diet.
2-There is a reason that schools have 'health class' and gym. It's to teach children about nutrition...most will realize that their parents are feeding them junk and try to change....others won't. But they will not have the freedom to do so until they are out of the house.
3-I am not offended in any way...but please realize that most people on this site are learning how to be healthy, maybe because they were not raised that way or maybe they were 'overly' controlled growing up and then when they were 'free' they binged on everything they shouldn't have and are trying to find a happy balance.0 -
1-Most people are on this site to get in shape...and with that most of the kids will be as well. My family eats clean...almost no processed foods. But it is not practical for many people...it's up to choice. It's my choice to eat clean, be a vegetarian, and make sure my daughter eats a blanced diet.
2-There is a reason that schools have 'health class' and gym. It's to teach children about nutrition...most will realize that their parents are feeding them junk and try to change....others won't. But they will not have the freedom to do so until they are out of the house.
3-I am not offended in any way...but please realize that most people on this site are learning how to be healthy, maybe because they were not raised that way or maybe they were 'overly' controlled growing up and then when they were 'free' they binged on everything they shouldn't have and are trying to find a happy balance.
Dear me... we've both gone to numbering our responses. :laugh: lol0 -
1-Most people are on this site to get in shape...and with that most of the kids will be as well. My family eats clean...almost no processed foods. But it is not practical for many people...it's up to choice. It's my choice to eat clean, be a vegetarian, and make sure my daughter eats a blanced diet.
2-There is a reason that schools have 'health class' and gym. It's to teach children about nutrition...most will realize that their parents are feeding them junk and try to change....others won't. But they will not have the freedom to do so until they are out of the house.
3-I am not offended in any way...but please realize that most people on this site are learning how to be healthy, maybe because they were not raised that way or maybe they were 'overly' controlled growing up and then when they were 'free' they binged on everything they shouldn't have and are trying to find a happy balance.
Dear me... we've both gone to numbering our responses. :laugh: lol
It's either that or a very long rambling...lol. :bigsmile:0 -
My point is that while junk food existed when we were kids, it exists in a different form. For example, pop had sugar in it instead of HFCS...there are "new" checmicals and additives in food today that didn't exist, weren't approved and weren't used when we were growing up.
As far as my neighborhood, lol, nice try at a dig, there actually are ZERO sex offenders in our entire sub division, and while I do take my children outside, for many kids that is not an option. I grew up in Neveah Buchanan's hometown, I live thirty miles from there. Long before her tragic death, I would have never let my kids play alone there, even in my backyard. Parents have to get off their own lazy behinds and play with their kids. Throwing them in the back yard to get them out of your hair isn't good parenting, even in your neighbohood! There is a lot to be gained by actually playing with them and if you honestly think American parents do enough of that, we must live on different planets, not just different neighnorhoods.
MFP will have a very long life as obesity will always exist, because adults who were made to feel less than special when no one brought cupcakes to school on their birthday attempt to satisfy their own emotions by feeding their kids garbage. It will always exist because if you aren't "middle of the road" if you aren't open to agreeing to things you believe are wrong for the sake of not offending ONE person, you are "extreme" and extreme is bad in America, even if you try to be extremely healthy. We must all be equally flawed, equally weak, and make equally poor choices...for if not, someone will be offended...
No no no no no no...
1. I don't have children, but children of my friends and my nieces and nephews get clean whole balanced meals and snacks when they stay at my house. We make waffles from scratch, try new fruits and vegetables, and drink water. I don't even have pop, kool-aid, chips (except organic blue corn tortilla chips), a single cookie or little debbie snack in my house. They don't even exist in my world. I don't stuff children full of enriched flour and partially hydrogenated oils to make up for the trauma of no cupcakes brought to school on my birthday... I agree with the premise... just not the extent to which it's being carried out.
2. Do you *seriously* not allow any of your children to ever go to a fast food restaurant, eat cake or ice cream, have a lollipop, eat at friends houses, go to birthday parties, or drink a coke? Be honest. Seriously?
3. I'm not saying you have to fit in with anyone's flaws, weaknesses, or poor choices. I'm just saying you don't have the right to enforce THEIR compliance to your *opinion* of what the best food choices are. Every child should be allowed to refuse the cupcake, but one child should not be allowed to take everyone's cupcakes away. As I said before, because I have morals and values, I get to be a freak sometimes. So what? Maybe I can enlighten someone else or maybe they can enlighten me, but I will make the choices for myself that I feel are best. That's called freedom. If I want to make poor choices, as long as I'm not forcing those choices on another person or infringing upon their rights, I may. America is awesome like that. I'm all for teaching people, but not forcing people when it comes to food choices.
4. This is food. It's not black and white, good and evil. Popcorn has it's good points and it's bad points. Chocolate has antioxidants but also has fat and sugar. There is no perfect food that is all we need to ingest. We need variety.
I'm answering #2. My kids do, on occasion, eat fast food, eat cake, eat ice cream, eat at other people's houses and go to parties. One thing they don't EVER drink is soda...period...We don't keep it in the house, we don't drink it when we go out, we just never drink it. I never had it in my house when I was growing up, and when our kids were really young, my husband and I decided not to have it in our house. I do all the grocery shopping, so I make the decisions as to when will be stocked in the kitchen!
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Ladies, let's play nice and be grown ups. I suggest that we remember that it was asked what our OPINIONS are and because we are each unique individuals, those opinions will differ from person to person. This is a great community with a lot of nice people but some hot topics seem to set people off - apparently raising kids and control over what they eat is one of them. Remember that it's hard to distinguish emotion in a post and it's up to the reader to interpret this. I'm sure no one meant to attack each other so how about we just drop it and move on?
You are right. It's good when we can come together and say what we think. We live in a country where we are free to do that. And have a great message board. Thanks Mike! That also allows us these opportunities. Let's try to keep it so we can continue to discuss and learn from each other. Not resort to attacking each others parenting or thoughts.0 -
1-Most people are on this site to get in shape...and with that most of the kids will be as well. My family eats clean...almost no processed foods. But it is not practical for many people...it's up to choice. It's my choice to eat clean, be a vegetarian, and make sure my daughter eats a blanced diet.
2-There is a reason that schools have 'health class' and gym. It's to teach children about nutrition...most will realize that their parents are feeding them junk and try to change....others won't. But they will not have the freedom to do so until they are out of the house.
3-I am not offended in any way...but please realize that most people on this site are learning how to be healthy, maybe because they were not raised that way or maybe they were 'overly' controlled growing up and then when they were 'free' they binged on everything they shouldn't have and are trying to find a happy balance.
Dear me... we've both gone to numbering our responses. :laugh: lol
It's either that or a very long rambling...lol. :bigsmile:
Oh yes... it's the best way around a segue when there's no time.
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1-Most people are on this site to get in shape...and with that most of the kids will be as well. My family eats clean...almost no processed foods. But it is not practical for many people...it's up to choice. It's my choice to eat clean, be a vegetarian, and make sure my daughter eats a blanced diet.
2-There is a reason that schools have 'health class' and gym. It's to teach children about nutrition...most will realize that their parents are feeding them junk and try to change....others won't. But they will not have the freedom to do so until they are out of the house.
3-I am not offended in any way...but please realize that most people on this site are learning how to be healthy, maybe because they were not raised that way or maybe they were 'overly' controlled growing up and then when they were 'free' they binged on everything they shouldn't have and are trying to find a happy balance.
Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with you. Health classes in our school barely touch nutrition, they have to cram sex, drugs and a plethora of other areas into a short amount of time and honestly, kids think health class is a joke. It's usually taught by a phys ed teacher, not someone with a nutirition or health background.
Phys ed classes are great, but also often not taken seriously enough by our youth. Those at greatest risk, those who are not athletes, are often overlooked and ignored, or worse, because phys ed teachers are often focused on the school's athletes.
Please tell me why eating healthy isn't practical? I teach nutrition to low income families, sometimes at the local shelter, so I would love to hear your perceptions on why it's not practical. I promise you it is. It's a choice.0 -
My point is that while junk food existed when we were kids, it exists in a different form. For example, pop had sugar in it instead of HFCS...there are "new" checmicals and additives in food today that didn't exist, weren't approved and weren't used when we were growing up.
As far as my neighborhood, lol, nice try at a dig, there actually are ZERO sex offenders in our entire sub division, and while I do take my children outside, for many kids that is not an option. I grew up in Neveah Buchanan's hometown, I live thirty miles from there. Long before her tragic death, I would have never let my kids play alone there, even in my backyard. Parents have to get off their own lazy behinds and play with their kids. Throwing them in the back yard to get them out of your hair isn't good parenting, even in your neighbohood! There is a lot to be gained by actually playing with them and if you honestly think American parents do enough of that, we must live on different planets, not just different neighnorhoods.
MFP will have a very long life as obesity will always exist, because adults who were made to feel less than special when no one brought cupcakes to school on their birthday attempt to satisfy their own emotions by feeding their kids garbage. It will always exist because if you aren't "middle of the road" if you aren't open to agreeing to things you believe are wrong for the sake of not offending ONE person, you are "extreme" and extreme is bad in America, even if you try to be extremely healthy. We must all be equally flawed, equally weak, and make equally poor choices...for if not, someone will be offended...
No no no no no no...
1. I don't have children, but children of my friends and my nieces and nephews get clean whole balanced meals and snacks when they stay at my house. We make waffles from scratch, try new fruits and vegetables, and drink water. I don't even have pop, kool-aid, chips (except organic blue corn tortilla chips), a single cookie or little debbie snack in my house. They don't even exist in my world. I don't stuff children full of enriched flour and partially hydrogenated oils to make up for the trauma of no cupcakes brought to school on my birthday... I agree with the premise... just not the extent to which it's being carried out.
2. Do you *seriously* not allow any of your children to ever go to a fast food restaurant, eat cake or ice cream, have a lollipop, eat at friends houses, go to birthday parties, or drink a coke? Be honest. Seriously?
3. I'm not saying you have to fit in with anyone's flaws, weaknesses, or poor choices. I'm just saying you don't have the right to enforce THEIR compliance to your *opinion* of what the best food choices are. Every child should be allowed to refuse the cupcake, but one child should not be allowed to take everyone's cupcakes away. As I said before, because I have morals and values, I get to be a freak sometimes. So what? Maybe I can enlighten someone else or maybe they can enlighten me, but I will make the choices for myself that I feel are best. That's called freedom. If I want to make poor choices, as long as I'm not forcing those choices on another person or infringing upon their rights, I may. America is awesome like that. I'm all for teaching people, but not forcing people when it comes to food choices.
4. This is food. It's not black and white, good and evil. Popcorn has it's good points and it's bad points. Chocolate has antioxidants but also has fat and sugar. There is no perfect food that is all we need to ingest. We need variety.
I'm answering #2. My kids do, on occasion, eat fast food, eat cake, eat ice cream, eat at other people's houses and go to parties. One thing they don't EVER drink is soda...period...We don't keep it in the house, we don't drink it when we go out, we just never drink it. I never had it in my house when I was growing up, and when our kids were really young, my husband and I decided not to have it in our house. I do all the grocery shopping, so I make the decisions as to when will be stocked in the kitchen!
Mary
Yeah.. to be honest, I drank soda all the time as a kid and hated water. But on my little journey towards health I started drinking more water and now can't stand soda. I don't like the feeling of swallowing carbonation, I don't need the calories or HFCS, and just generally see no point to it. Yuck!
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Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with you. Health classes in our school barely touch nutrition, they have to cram sex, drugs and a plethora of other areas into a short amount of time and honestly, kids think health class is a joke. It's usually taught by a phys ed teacher, not someone with a nutirition or health background.
Phys ed classes are great, but also often not taken seriously enough by our youth. Those at greatest risk, those who are not athletes, are often overlooked and ignored, or worse, because phys ed teachers are often focused on the school's athletes.
Please tell me why eating healthy isn't practical? I teach nutrition to low income families, sometimes at the local shelter, so I would love to hear your perceptions on why it's not practical. I promise you it is. It's a choice.
I do agree that health class and gym class are not exactly what one would hope. I don't think as kids we paid attention to either class. I certainly goofed off in gym, and we were giggling half the time in health class.
However, it is not always practical to eat clean. As I mentioned before - my mother was a single mom, raising 4 children from ages 3-12. She did not always have time to make every single thing from scratch. Nor the money. After work, she had to run us around to our various sports and after school activities. By the time she was actually home, she had laundry and dishes and packing lunches. We never had fast food. We never were allowed soda excpet on very special occasions. We had 2 glasses of milk, 5-7 servings of fruits and veggies, protein and carbs. sometimes it was processed because it was cheaper to buy a box of generic fish sticks and easier to toss them in the oven for 15 minutes than it would be to buy fresh and prepare it herself.
You do not have to eat clean to be healthy. All of us are grown, healthy and active. We were taught to eat healthy on a tight budget. It is not always practical or affordable to eat the way you are saying everyone should eat.0 -
My kids know how to read nutrition labels, although they are still kids and need to be reminded to look at them. The other day my son was going to eat some powdered doughnut holes(which i bought for him because he likes them), i said how many are you going to have, he said 6 or 7, i reminded him to read the label and look at the serving size, 3 = 200 calories, oh he says I will only eat 1 or 2 then. Like anything else with kids it's a learning process that needs to be repeated. Treats are ok as long as your informed and can provide healthy alternatives if necessary.
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Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with you. Health classes in our school barely touch nutrition, they have to cram sex, drugs and a plethora of other areas into a short amount of time and honestly, kids think health class is a joke. It's usually taught by a phys ed teacher, not someone with a nutirition or health background.
Phys ed classes are great, but also often not taken seriously enough by our youth. Those at greatest risk, those who are not athletes, are often overlooked and ignored, or worse, because phys ed teachers are often focused on the school's athletes.
Please tell me why eating healthy isn't practical? I teach nutrition to low income families, sometimes at the local shelter, so I would love to hear your perceptions on why it's not practical. I promise you it is. It's a choice.
I do agree that health class and gym class are not exactly what one would hope. I don't think as kids we paid attention to either class. I certainly goofed off in gym, and we were giggling half the time in health class.
However, it is not always practical to eat clean. As I mentioned before - my mother was a single mom, raising 4 children from ages 3-12. She did not always have time to make every single thing from scratch. Nor the money. After work, she had to run us around to our various sports and after school activities. By the time she was actually home, she had laundry and dishes and packing lunches. We never had fast food. We never were allowed soda excpet on very special occasions. We had 2 glasses of milk, 5-7 servings of fruits and veggies, protein and carbs. sometimes it was processed because it was cheaper to buy a box of generic fish sticks and easier to toss them in the oven for 15 minutes than it would be to buy fresh and prepare it herself.
You do not have to eat clean to be healthy. All of us are grown, healthy and active. We were taught to eat healthy on a tight budget. It is not always practical or affordable to eat the way you are saying everyone should eat.
How exactly did I say everyone should eat? Wow, I understand why this woman went mad! I'm getting there myself.
You are assuming I expect everyone to eat clean, I NEVER said that., so please don't put words in my mouth. In my home if one of my children says another said something they didn't actually say, we call it lying. Yeah, now I am really angry.
My main point is that schools are a place where children learn a lot of things, including bad habits. There are many opportunities for kids to eat junk food, why should school be one of them?0
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