Cupcakes Banned in MA Schools
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Thank you LAZY PARENTS.
It is so much easier to just have the state teach your children how to function as people, isn't it? I blame feminism for pushing mothers out of the home and liberals for promoting this crap.0 -
This is not meant to be combative at all, but do you have a problem with the school telling parents what the children are and are not allowed to wear to school? Like it or not, a person agreeing to send their children to a 'free' school also agrees to the rules put in place by that establishment, within reason.
True. Even schools you pay for, the school tells the parents what their kids can wear, etc.
One thing I'm noticing is that there are a lot of people that have a problem with this rule, but claim that they never pack junk food in their lunches. OK, so what's the problem, then? I put my selt beat on every time I get in the car before it was the law. Did I get pissed off that the government told me that I HAVE to? No. I don't. I'm more concerned about books being banned from schools than I am junk food.
Well a seatbelt isn't law in my state for adults. Because they tried to implement and the people said No.0 -
Thank you LAZY PARENTS.
It is so much easier to just have the state teach your children how to function as people, isn't it? I blame feminism for pushing mothers out of the home and liberals for promoting this crap.
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I don't like the idea that my tax dollars are going towards feeding kids in public school a bunch of garbage that will make them sick rather than some healthy foods. Then the sick children go on to have a much higher risk of developing illness which causes my health insurance to go up (or rather, in this case: stay up). Just like people refusing to wear their seatbelt causes my car insurance to go up.
I personally don't want my tax dollars to go directly towards making my health insurance costs go up, which is *exactly what is happening when publicly funded schools feed kids lots of unhealthy foods.* People should be able to do whatever the hell they want, sure (to an extent). But my tax dollars shouldn't be spent in really stupid ways. I literally couldn't care less if kids hate the food or not, I think the government has a duty to the tax payers to only serve healthy nutritious food in public schools.0 -
I don't like the idea that my tax dollars are going towards feeding kids in public school a bunch of garbage that will make them sick rather than some healthy foods. Then the sick children go on to have a much higher risk of developing illness which causes my health insurance to go up (or rather, in this case: stay up). Just like people refusing to wear their seatbelt causes my car insurance to go up.
I personally don't want my tax dollars to go directly towards making my health insurance costs go up, which is *exactly what is happening when publicly funded schools feed kids lots of unhealthy foods.* People should be able to do whatever the hell they want, sure (to an extent). But my tax dollars shouldn't be spent in really stupid ways. I literally couldn't care less if kids hate the food or not, I think the government has a duty to the tax payers to only serve healthy nutritious food in public schools.
Yeah, well, get the parents to stop giving it to the kids.0 -
I live in the only state that has banned school bake sales, thinking THAT'S going to change the obesity problem. And, they want to ban all fundraising for sports teams by selling cookies or candy, no cupcakes or treats given out for birthdays and no banquets for sports, etc. Maybe it would make more sense to have bigger bake sales and raise money to keep phys ed in the schools!
I'm disgusted!
It takes Massachusetts to raise a child.0 -
Thank you LAZY PARENTS.
It is so much easier to just have the state teach your children how to function as people, isn't it? I blame feminism for pushing mothers out of the home and liberals for promoting this crap.
Ummm, I work full time outside the home and still have plenty of time to cook for scratch and such.
Don't blame feminism, place the blame on the individual LAZY PEOPLE, not a sweeping generalization.0 -
Thank you LAZY PARENTS.
It is so much easier to just have the state teach your children how to function as people, isn't it? I blame feminism for pushing mothers out of the home and liberals for promoting this crap.
Ummm, I work full time outside the home and still have plenty of time to cook for scratch and such.
Don't blame feminism, place the blame on the individual LAZY PEOPLE, not a sweeping generalization.
I will blame feminism. Congratulations, you manage to do what you're supposed to. Current trends suggest you are the minority.0 -
I live in Utah. At my kids school one of the school lunches is something called a potato dog!!! A what? I took my daughter a subway kids meal one day for her lunch and I saw one finally. It was a hotdog cut in half lengthwise with nasty cheesy mashed potatoes smothered on top of it. EWWWW!! My daughter takes her lunch except for the occasional day when they have pizza or sub sandwiches or turkey dinners. She doesn't get any of the beef based school lunches.
Our teachers give the kids a piece of candy if their parents sign their planner the night before. They get a piece of candy if they finish their art project or writing project or whatever. She got a whole soda can for completing so many math facts in certain amount of time. They give out snack cakes for whatever. They have a snack recess where one of their 2 recesses each day gets 10-15min of it set aside for them to eat a snack because their lunch is one of the later time slots. I send a banana or apple with her for snack recess. Other kids get snack cakes or cookies. We don't have snack cakes in the house anymore but when we did for my husband to take for work if the kids wanted one it got split in half and they each got half. Half the time I don't even know how much snacks and candy my daughter gets at school because they don't send something home every day saying this and this was given today. <--- This annoys me. What if I was the type that I didn't want my child having candy as a reward for everything? I could tell the teacher not to give my child any ever but then she would feel like a failure because all the other kids got a reward and even though she worked hard she didn't. Fortunately I don't have a problem with the occasional piece of candy or whatever because I control how much they eat at home. But what about the parents that do?
If her school was like the ones in NC and took her home lunch away because it didn't have carrots and made her eat some processed enchiladas or other crap they have I would be livid.
On a side note. For parties, birthdays or anything at all home baked goods aren't allowed. They have to be prepackaged sealed and bought from a grocery store. Because of "allergies" What?????
One other thing! The school is next to a big park. There are multiple parents and kids that set up "stands" with fruit punch, snack cakes, baked goods and everything else to sell to the kids getting out of school and walking home. WTH????
When my daughter was in preschool they banned fruit snacks because they were a mess to clean up from the carpets and stuff if the kids were sloppy with them.
For the person who mentioned fundraising. I was in ROTC in High School. We sold candy for our fundraisers. All of our competitions and field trips and stuff were paid for with that. (we also sold overpriced wrapping paper ugh)
Band always sold these little "discount" cards that they had arranged with local businesses. Like a free taco with purchase of taco at TB, or buy one dozen donuts get a dozen free from Dunkin Donuts. The one I used over and over was a free appetizer at Applebees with the purchase of an entree. Lots of local clothing shops and restaurants and stuff too.
Depending on the age group maybe they could sell fancy folders and stuff. Teachers buy them for .25 or whatever and the kids sell them in a little "store" for .50?
Entertainment books are always a good one too. Oh out here boy scouts and stuff are always arranging with Papa Johns Pizza to sell coupon sheets with like 10 coupons on them.0 -
I live in Utah. At my kids school one of the school lunches is something called a potato dog!!! A what? I took my daughter a subway kids meal one day for her lunch and I saw one finally. It was a hotdog cut in half lengthwise with nasty cheesy mashed potatoes smothered on top of it. EWWWW!! My daughter takes her lunch except for the occasional day when they have pizza or sub sandwiches or turkey dinners. She doesn't get any of the beef based school lunches.
Our teachers give the kids a piece of candy if their parents sign their planner the night before. They get a piece of candy if they finish their art project or writing project or whatever. She got a whole soda can for completing so many math facts in certain amount of time. They give out snack cakes for whatever. They have a snack recess where one of their 2 recesses each day gets 10-15min of it set aside for them to eat a snack because their lunch is one of the later time slots. I send a banana or apple with her for snack recess. Other kids get snack cakes or cookies. We don't have snack cakes in the house anymore but when we did for my husband to take for work if the kids wanted one it got split in half and they each got half. Half the time I don't even know how much snacks and candy my daughter gets at school because they don't send something home every day saying this and this was given today. <--- This annoys me. What if I was the type that I didn't want my child having candy as a reward for everything? I could tell the teacher not to give my child any ever but then she would feel like a failure because all the other kids got a reward and even though she worked hard she didn't. Fortunately I don't have a problem with the occasional piece of candy or whatever because I control how much they eat at home. But what about the parents that do?
If her school was like the ones in NC and took her home lunch away because it didn't have carrots and made her eat some processed enchiladas or other crap they have I would be livid.
On a side note. For parties, birthdays or anything at all home baked goods aren't allowed. They have to be prepackaged sealed and bought from a grocery store. Because of "allergies" What?????
One other thing! The school is next to a big park. There are multiple parents and kids that set up "stands" with fruit punch, snack cakes, baked goods and everything else to sell to the kids getting out of school and walking home. WTH????
When my daughter was in preschool they banned fruit snacks because they were a mess to clean up from the carpets and stuff if the kids were sloppy with them.
For the person who mentioned fundraising. I was in ROTC in High School. We sold candy for our fundraisers. All of our competitions and field trips and stuff were paid for with that. (we also sold overpriced wrapping paper ugh)
Band always sold these little "discount" cards that they had arranged with local businesses. Like a free taco with purchase of taco at TB, or buy one dozen donuts get a dozen free from Dunkin Donuts. The one I used over and over was a free appetizer at Applebees with the purchase of an entree. Lots of local clothing shops and restaurants and stuff too.
Depending on the age group maybe they could sell fancy folders and stuff. Teachers buy them for .25 or whatever and the kids sell them in a little "store" for .50?
Entertainment books are always a good one too. Oh out here boy scouts and stuff are always arranging with Papa Johns Pizza to sell coupon sheets with like 10 coupons on them.
Why are we rewarding kids in school for doing what they are suppose too? Aren't kids suppose to do math pages and reading etc. That's what school is for not for them to get a treat after each right answer. I think this is further proof of how the "everyone is a winner" philosophy doesn't work. When those kids turn into adults and don't get a piece of candy, or a gold star every-time they do something good at work, they pout. I know for a fact, one of our sales guys at work, once went to HR because his boss didn't "praise" him enough. Apparently the monthly email she sent out announcing the winner of the month and what they achieved wasn't enough for him. How about the big fat commission check he was raking in, I'm pretty sure that is your reward buddy. A lot of kids coming into the working world, can't handle being told no at all, it's like they have never heard the word before. Scary.0 -
There is already legislation pending to actually leave it up to the municipalities to grant waivers and such.0
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Our school in Vermont frowns greatly upon treats/bake sales, but we still do them occasionally. However, with that said, the snack cart that comes to our school every day is made up of what they call Healthy Snacks.0
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In case it's not been mentioned: Y'ALL NEED TO MOVE TO TEXAS! (And I wasn't even born here!)
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Thank you LAZY PARENTS.
It is so much easier to just have the state teach your children how to function as people, isn't it? I blame feminism for pushing mothers out of the home and liberals for promoting this crap.
Oooh, you went "there"!
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The happy meal the kids ate for dinner on Monday doesn't make them fat. Nor does that Dunkin' Donut they ate on the way to school on Wednesday. The meat lovers pizza with extra cheese and stuffed hotdog crust the ate on Friday night, not contributing to their weight gain. Oh and at the matinee Saturday afternoon, that extra large popcorn and super size coke didn't make them gain weight either. It's those damn bake sale cupcakes from the annual PTA fundraiser!0
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I work for a company that caters meals to schools...just recently we got notified of a HUGE government regulation change to all meals. It should make things verrrrrry interesting....and kids are gonna HATE the new foods!
they did something like this in some schools in the UK. The result? Parents passing fish and chips and other deep fried takeaway food to their kids over the school fence at lunchtimes, because their kids wouldn't eat the new healthy meals.0 -
You need Market Day!0
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I am a little confused here. I live in Canada and there is no lunches provided to the kids. They bring their own and in high school there is a cafeteria but you buy your own or bring a lunch.
Are these schools providing the lunches for free?0 -
I say let kids have what they want in moderation and keep them active!! At my kids school they cram so much work into their school day, they have no time for physical activity!! Then the kids go home and play video games all afternoon. Heck, when we were kids my mother kicked us out of the house after school and were told not to come home til dark! LOL!!
Banning cupcakes is just not the answer!!0 -
Prohibition worked really well, too
It was short-sighted and caused even ordinary people to disrespect the government, but I've read that there were actually fewer fatalities from drunk driving and the rate of alcohol-related diseases went down.
I think that banning smoking is a good idea. People clearly are not willing to quit on their own despite the evidence that smoking is dangerous. I can't believe that people still smoke.
Food is a bit different. We need to eat, and eating is supposed to be pleasurable. But as someone else said, many parents don't seem to be very effective in teaching their kids how to eat.
This MA ban sounds draconian, but I hesitate to judge. I'd also like to know what people are making instead of cupcakes.0 -
I am a little confused here. I live in Canada and there is no lunches provided to the kids. They bring their own and in high school there is a cafeteria but you buy your own or bring a lunch.
Are these schools providing the lunches for free?
Many school districts have a free lunch and sometimes a free breakfast program for students whose family income falls below a certain level. Other students buy lunch at the cafeteria.0 -
fine with me... its those damned bakesales that got me fat in the first place0
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what crap is that??? Completely absurd.
It's total crap from the state that feels the need to control everything we do and how we raise our kids. Do you know that our schools will give condoms to 12 year olds, without the parents knowledge, but these same kids can't be trusted with a cupcake. True story!
So wait... which do you object to more, your kid getting fat because of the government, or getting an STD because of the government? Just curious...0 -
The happy meal the kids ate for dinner on Monday doesn't make them fat. Nor does that Dunkin' Donut they ate on the way to school on Wednesday. The meat lovers pizza with extra cheese and stuffed hotdog crust the ate on Friday night, not contributing to their weight gain. Oh and at the matinee Saturday afternoon, that extra large popcorn and super size coke didn't make them gain weight either. It's those damn bake sale cupcakes from the annual PTA fundraiser!
True, but the only activity the school can control is the fundraiser. Eureka moment! They could even try to come up with a fund raising event that has nothing to do with food!0 -
I'm sure it's just a matter of time before you add NY to the list. Lord knows, in NYC they want to control it all: banning trans fats in all restaurants including butter in the mix. My thing is this: if you want to indulge once in awhile - DO IT. Who the heck is the government to tell me what I can eat, who I can marry, where I can smoke, when/how or IF I can carry a gun or anything else?!
Do I think people need to be better educated on healthy eating? Absofreakinlutely. But banning CUPCAKES ain't gonna do it. Should people be educated on the harmful effects of smoking? Sure! BUT... you can only LEAD a horse to water. Why should kids have to give up the fun things of being a kid?? Everything in moderation.
People are going to eat what they want to eat. If it's banned, they will find a way. It's just that simple.
The obesity epidemic isn't going to just go away. People definitely need to know what's good and what's bad... BUT be left to make their own choices. I mean, after all - isn't that what this country (once upon a time, anyway) is all about?? The freedom to choose?
Sorry, this commentary seems a bit scattered. Too many thoughts parading around my brain with this issue!0 -
I work for a company that caters meals to schools...just recently we got notified of a HUGE government regulation change to all meals. It should make things verrrrrry interesting....and kids are gonna HATE the new foods!
they did something like this in some schools in the UK. The result? Parents passing fish and chips and other deep fried takeaway food to their kids over the school fence at lunchtimes, because their kids wouldn't eat the new healthy meals.
But eventually (much to my dismay, I'd just turned 12 when Jamie Oliver struck and as a result he is not my favourite person in the world!) they got over it and ate what they were given. Too many kids are fussy nowadays; my 7 year old cousin refuses to eat 'proper' food and only eats turkey ham, Tesco value sausage rolls (he's able to tell the difference between them and other brands and will spit it out if he thinks it's not TV), cheddar cheese (mild), lettuce and Pringles. Why? Because he screams and spits out any other food you give him and his parents eventually give in and get him what he wants. If they didn't do that, he'd soon start eating normal food as he'd be so hungry he'd *have* to.
I grew up right in the middle of the storm that Jamie Oliver made in the UK and my school went from having pizza, turkey twizzlers, chips and cookies on the menu to salads and chicken breasts every day. I went from a healthy 11 year old to an overweight 15 year old because I gave up my biggest physical activity (ballet) and didn't adjust the amount of food I was eating to fuel two hours of exercise a day. I went to an all girls school and whilst we had a handful of overweight pupils (before AND long after Jamie Oliver introduced his healthy meals) we also had a lot of anoretics, who thrived off the large amount of physical activity offered (at least three different sports clubs every lunch time, after school sports and if you wanted it, extra PE during the week) and the lettuce leaves we were served.
When I turned 17 I gained even more weight, why? Because we were allowed out to Tesco to buy our own lunches and I went overboard. Teaching people moderation and nutrition knowledge is far more important than banning a cupcake.0 -
I work in a preschool that recently got orders to switch up the menu planning options to all skim milk, all whole, grains, all fresh fruits and veggies (or canned in natural juice or water), no processed meats, no sweets. Our children and families are also no longer allowed to bring ANY food into the program (including birthday / holiday cupcakes or anything else for that matter). We are not allowed to sell food to our families or ask them to sell food for fundraising purposes.
We thought it would be a tough transition, but guess what...IT WAS HARDER FOR THE TEACHERS AND PARENTS than for the children. Sure, some of them pushed some of the new foods around on the plate a little before they actually tried it, but THEY LOVE some of their new meal components.
The hardest part is finding other great fundraising options... ideas anyone?
This pisses me off for one big reason.... You don't take whole milk away from pre schoolers! The nutrients in whole milk are far superior than those in skim milk, with more fat to balance out the sugar content. Kids need fat! Whole milk is not going to make a child fat, not will it give them heart disease. And I'm an adult who doesn't even drink cows milk.
Agreed. Preschool kids need the fat in milk. The natural human diet (i.e. palaeo) is to have breastmilk up to age 5 or so, kids need full fat animal milk until age 5 or so (or to be breastfed for that long, but that's for another debate on another forum LOL) Fat soluble vitamins like A and D are not in skimmed milk, because when you skim it you remove the fat - along with all the vitamins in the fat. What's healthy for adults who are fairly sedentary is not the same as what's healthy for growing kids. Children even those over age 5 who are active and not obese are not at risk from full fat dairy, and need the fat soluble vitamins in them.
Going back to the OP... eating cupcakes occasionally e.g. at bake sales does not make kids fat. It's inactivity and constant eating of junk food that makes kids fat. The school would do far better to encourage sports participation and have more PE and break times where the kids can run around and play in active ways, than to ban cupcakes. Kids need to learn to handle treats in moderation. Banning unhealthy food completely is not the way to go about it, because everyone just wants forbidden food more. Give kids choices and educate them about how their choices affect their bodies. I and my kids follow the 95% rule, as in if 95% of what you eat is healthy, unhealthy food once in a while isn't going to do you any harm. So they have trips to fast food restaurants, cake, sweets, chocolate, all sorts....... just not all that often. Day in day out they eat healthy foods, and they play outdoors a lot and have active games/toys and a limit on how much TV each day.0 -
That's my point. The occasional cupcake is not the problem and banning cupcakes is not going to solve the problem. If they want to solve the obesity issue, they have to get to the root of the problem:
Bad parental decisions regarding the nutrition and physical activity of their kids
Over abundance of bad nutrition easily and so conveniently available
The answer is going to have to include educating the people responsible for making nutrition and physical activity decisions for the obese kids. Until parents step up and take responsibility for their children's weight, the problem will continue no matter what the state does.0 -
I work for a company that caters meals to schools...just recently we got notified of a HUGE government regulation change to all meals. It should make things verrrrrry interesting....and kids are gonna HATE the new foods!
they did something like this in some schools in the UK. The result? Parents passing fish and chips and other deep fried takeaway food to their kids over the school fence at lunchtimes, because their kids wouldn't eat the new healthy meals.
But eventually (much to my dismay, I'd just turned 12 when Jamie Oliver struck and as a result he is not my favourite person in the world!) they got over it and ate what they were given.
Glad to hear it
Teaching people moderation and nutrition knowledge is far more important than banning a cupcake.
Totally agree I don't agree with banning things, it just makes people - kids and adults - want them even more. 0 -
I HATE the comment about giving condoms to kids. You may be one of the parents that actually chooses to teach their kids about sex and how to protect themselves on their own, but there are many, many parents out there who think an abstinance only approach is the way to go. Everyone knows that abstinance only programs do not work, and in fact, teen pregnancy rates are slightly higher in states that are highly religious and therefore against teaching real sex education in school. It is not right to take risks with these kids' lives because their parents are not enlightened enough to realize that education does not equal teen sex. Kids are either going to have sex or they're not, and if they do choose to make that decision, it is much better that they know how to prevent things like STDs and pregnancy.0
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