Starvation Mode
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starvation mode for me its a huge myth.... Ok, lets accept the fact that eating 500 calories everyday would be dangerous for your body, cause you are not getting enough nutrients/protein/vitamins/calcium etc...
But no way you would enter a starvation mode, or, explain anorexia to me, those girls barely eat 500 cal a day, and they keep losing weight.
I normally eat 900-1100 a day (ive never gone over my daily 1200), and look, 37 lbs less!.. And Im never hungry, i feel satified with what I eat, nothing in this world would change my mind about it. Maybe if i was eating the 900-1100 and i was with the 200 lbs i had before, i would believe it, but not when im a few pounds away from the 150s.
So again , that starvation mode is BS for me.. IMO
Really? Does it need to be explained AGAIN?
I'm declaring a pandemic of deliberate misapprehension of the term "Starvation Mode."
first, I NEVER SAID anorexic was healthy, yes people die from that I know it and Im really aware of it.
second, if people die from anorexia then that proves my post, if starvation mode was real, no anorexic people would die, why?, cause they would stop losing weight as soon as they started eating less than 900 cal. The word anorexia wouldnt even exist.
thirt, im not starving myself, eating 1000 cal a day, for me is enough and I feel full. If I eat more than that I feel bloated.
fourth, maybe for me eating 1000 works, maybe for you dont, to each their own, every body is different.
So stop judging people that dont believe in that myth. Ive lost 37 lbs eating 1000 calories everyday, and u are not gonna change my mind nor make me eat more just cause you say so. Period..
have a nice day!
I cannot wait to see you in 1, 2, 3 or 6 months from now crying because you can't have a slice of pizza or normal meals at all for that matter without gaining an instant 5 pounds---people like you deserve to be in the 95% who regain ALL the weight back and usually more. In the face of the information regarding metabolism and healthy weight loss, that the unfortunate regainers lack, you stick to an unhealthy and unsustainable way of doing things. It's completely absurd.0 -
First off. "Starvation Mode" doesn't happen overnight. It takes weeks of under eating for it to really affect you. If you are eating under you calorie goal needed for just sustaining, you will most likely gain the weight right back. Sure if you are eating less calories you are going to loose weight, but your body requires a certain amount to just sustain, even if you just lay in bed all day, but this isn't healthy. As soon as you eat any extra your body will hold on to it in fear that you won't feed it again. Make sure you are getting at least your BMR in calories for a HEALTHY long term weight loss.0
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I tend to ignore the "starvation mode" warning and consider more the warning of not getting proper nutrition. I use my food diary to track everything, because it's a relatively easy place to do so with everything calculated for you, and it helps me look at what I'm eating with a critical eye. This allows me to figure out if I'm getting my nutrition or if I'm eating mostly junk that's going to end up making me sick/malnourished or hinder my weight loss.0
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Here's the thing, if lets say you eat 1,200 calories you will plateau eventually. Due to your metabolism slowing down. What is the next step to continue on weight loss? Eating 1000 calories or 800?
This is why gastric bypass works... they're eating SO FEW CALORIES that they lose weight very quickly. but eventually it stalls out... I never seen someone lean and ripped eating that low calories, just skinny fat people. If you want a strong healthy body, you have to eat. If you just want weight loss, i guess low calorie is an option. You will stall out, i'll promise you that, and you will have to reduce them more.
You're completely right about this. My mother had gastric bypass in 2003. She started out at almost 500 lbs, 6'0. Now, she's around 230 and has remained around that weight eating lightly since her surgery for years. So, as you've stated. It DOES stall out.0 -
If you research the starvation mode theory, when they tested it people's metabolism slowed when they were at about 5% body fat and had been on extremely low calorie diets for quite a while. Even then they still lost weight just at a slightly slower (about 10% slower than before) rate.
If the starvation mode thing were really a huge problem, anorexics would never lose weight and people wouldn't die of starvation.
I think that the starvation mode is a scare tactic to discourage people from taking extreme methods to losing weight like starving themselves...0 -
If you research the starvation mode theory, when they tested it people's metabolism slowed when they were at about 5% body fat and had been on extremely low calorie diets for quite a while. Even then they still lost weight just at a slightly slower (about 10%) rate.
If the starvation mode thing were really a huge problem, anorexics would never lose weight and people wouldn't die of starvation.
I think that the starvation mode is a scare tactic to discourage people from taking extreme methods to losing weight like starving themselves...
okay--well starve yourself, lose all of your muscle mass, reduce your metabolic rate, and then wind up skinny fat and unhappy--struggling to lose even more because your body still isn't even close to being where you want it to be despite having lost WEIGHT(mostly muscle).0 -
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I save my higher calorie treats for whenever I'm low on calories. If you like pistachios, they're perfect. Just a few will bump, up the calories a lot.
P.S. The starvation mode thing is not a scare tactic. I was anorexic for a long time and would have died as did a friend of mine. The research (you know- the actual, peer reviewed, scholarly journal type; not the online "he said/she said" type) shows that losing weight that way leads to a variety of metabolic changes (as well as brain changes) and you'll have to exercise twice as much to get the same benefits as people with normal, healthy metabolism. Trust me, you don't want to go down that road no matter what others may tell themselves (and, invariably, others) about it. There is no conspiracy and there actually is no controversy, either... not among people who actually know how to find/interpret scholarly research rather than wishful thinking and/or pseudoscience). The effects of starvation mode are well known. Of course, you'll die from starvation, nobody said that "starvation mode" = you never have to eat again... how ridiculous! If I run my car without the proper fluids, it will break and cost a lot to fix... does that mean that it will instantly explode within the first 5 minutes a fluid is low? And, if it doesn't, does that mean that I can actually ignore the fluids forever because "they" are lying to me about that? LOL!
If you want to lose weight, 2 pounds a week is the fastest healthy rate and, usually, for women that means 1200 calories/day. Believe me, I know how to drop weight fast in a variety of unhealthy ways... but, you will find me happily eating the pistachios or whatever to make up the difference to get the 1200 calories and I've been steadily losing 2 lb/week with lots of energy and no particular difference in my level of exercise (though I will improve that over the summer due to cardiovascular problems and osteopenia).0 -
starvation mode for me its a huge myth.... Ok, lets accept the fact that eating 500 calories everyday would be dangerous for your body, cause you are not getting enough nutrients/protein/vitamins/calcium etc...
But no way you would enter a starvation mode, or, explain anorexia to me, those girls barely eat 500 cal a day, and they keep losing weight.
I normally eat 900-1100 a day (ive never gone over my daily 1200), and look, 37 lbs less!.. And Im never hungry, i feel satified with what I eat, nothing in this world would change my mind about it. Maybe if i was eating the 900-1100 and i was with the 200 lbs i had before, i would believe it, but not when im a few pounds away from the 150s.
So again , that starvation mode is BS for me.. IMO
Really? Does it need to be explained AGAIN?
I'm declaring a pandemic of deliberate misapprehension of the term "Starvation Mode."
first, I NEVER SAID anorexic was healthy, yes people die from that I know it and Im really aware of it.
second, if people die from anorexia then that proves my post, if starvation mode was real, no anorexic people would die, why?, cause they would stop losing weight as soon as they started eating less than 900 cal. The word anorexia wouldnt even exist.
thirt, im not starving myself, eating 1000 cal a day, for me is enough and I feel full. If I eat more than that I feel bloated.
fourth, maybe for me eating 1000 works, maybe for you dont, to each their own, every body is different.
So stop judging people that dont believe in that myth. Ive lost 37 lbs eating 1000 calories everyday, and u are not gonna change my mind nor make me eat more just cause you say so. Period..
have a nice day!
Anorexic people do neither prove nor disprove healthy or overweight people slowing down their metabolism due to a VLCD. That is overly simplistic and shows a rudimentary miscomprehension of metabolism. In words you can understand, you're wrong.0 -
This success of yours is good to know--congratulations! When logging my food, I notice I seem to be satisfied everyday on about 1500 calories so far. Less than that and the hunger builds up after a few days. I'm pretty active. It's good to know I don't need to eat more than that. Thanks for sharing!It is used as a scare tactic. Nothing more. I don't even bother completing my daily log as it gives me the annoying message every time. If starvation mode as it is used on this board existed then you are correct, gastric bypass would not work and anorexics would not be under weight. I am not making fun of anyone, especially those with and ED. I'm saying that if starvation mode worked as "advertised" then it would not be an issue.
BTW - In 6 months I have only twice consumed more than 1,200 calories and I have lost over 85lbs, lost almost no muscle mass, and increased me HDL (good cholesterol). This calorie amount was recommend by both my MD and nutritionist who said that women can lose weight perfectly healthy on 1,200 per day. I defer to their judgement over a website.0 -
If you research the starvation mode theory, when they tested it people's metabolism slowed when they were at about 5% body fat and had been on extremely low calorie diets for quite a while. Even then they still lost weight just at a slightly slower (about 10%) rate.
If the starvation mode thing were really a huge problem, anorexics would never lose weight and people wouldn't die of starvation.
I think that the starvation mode is a scare tactic to discourage people from taking extreme methods to losing weight like starving themselves...
okay--well starve yourself, lose all of your muscle mass, reduce your metabolic rate, and then wind up skinny fat and unhappy--struggling to lose even more because your body still isn't even close to being where you want it to be despite having lost WEIGHT(mostly muscle).
I'm not starving myself. I'm on a medically supervised diet of 1200 calories per day and working with a personal trainer. I've toned up and lost weight. I'm just saying that it won't kill you to eat 1200 calories a day and still exercise. Especially if you are making sure you eat the right things. (ie. no simple carbs/less sodium and getting enough protein). I watch how many grams of proteins/carbs/fats/sodium I eat a day as well as the calories.
Actually my doctor pointed me out to this site because of the ability for me to log all my food and keep track of how much protein/sodium/fat/carbs I was eating. I print off my food/exercise diaries and take them in for the doctor to review...0 -
OKAY heres a scare tactic for you. starvation mode makes your hair fall out, makes your periods stop, makes your nails chip, your skin turn gaunt and yellow and your breath to STINK. what the hell is wrong with nourishing yourself? maybe THATS the reason you cant seem to keep the weight off.
thats me eating 600-800 cals a day, about 3 months into my sickness. starvation mode is REAL. and do NOT educate people on matters that you know very little about. it doesnt happen over night, of course, BUT if you religiously eat way less than 1,200 cals a day there are going to be inevitable health complications. that simply is NOT ENOUGH calories to sustain an active lifestyle! CMON GUYS LETS BE HONEST WITH OURSELVES HERE!0 -
This success of yours is good to know--congratulations! When logging my food, I notice I seem to be satisfied everyday on about 1500 calories so far. Less than that and the hunger builds up after a few days. I'm pretty active. It's good to know I don't need to eat more than that. Thanks for sharing!It is used as a scare tactic. Nothing more. I don't even bother completing my daily log as it gives me the annoying message every time. If starvation mode as it is used on this board existed then you are correct, gastric bypass would not work and anorexics would not be under weight. I am not making fun of anyone, especially those with and ED. I'm saying that if starvation mode worked as "advertised" then it would not be an issue.
BTW - In 6 months I have only twice consumed more than 1,200 calories and I have lost over 85lbs, lost almost no muscle mass, and increased me HDL (good cholesterol). This calorie amount was recommend by both my MD and nutritionist who said that women can lose weight perfectly healthy on 1,200 per day. I defer to their judgement over a website.
people hear what they want to hear. you'll do what you want to do--like most people starting out--rush off the starting line at a full sprint and teeter out. you'll regret it and then think back to this conversation.0 -
It typically doesn't bother me when people want to give their opinion on a subject, but when it comes to something so connected to your health and well-being as metabolism, people giving out misleading or downright false information can lead to serious health complications. It's simple your body is a machine and if you're going to push that machine harder you need to give it enough fuel!0
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I agree
But there are a lot of conflicting articles out there online...I just needed some type of clairity! Thanks
I'll share my personal experience, the site was recommending 1700 calories a day for me to lose 1lb a week, I tried it and at first it worked but then I started getting tired, sick , it just wasn't working.
I then went to see a dietitian and had my metabolism tested professionally and discovered I at the time it was 2299 calories BMR, I was under eating by a massive amount, yes weight was dropping but I wasn't healthy. Now I eat between 2800-3000 a day and I have lost 20 lbs, gained muscle mass and dropped 4% body fat.
This may not have been starvation mode per say, but metabolic slow down does indeed exist and if people chose to ignore it that's their choice but to denounce it outright is dangerous in my opinion.
FYI : Metabolic Starvation does not = Tummy Grumbling0 -
It typically doesn't bother me when people want to give their opinion on a subject, but when it comes to something so connected to your health and well-being as metabolism, people giving out misleading or downright false information can lead to serious health complications. It's simple your body is a machine and if you're going to push that machine harder you need to give it enough fuel!
I am not condoning people eating less than 1200 calories a day but to say that people will go into "starvation mode" by eating a balanced diet of 1200-1300 calories a day is just incorrect and I doubt that you will find any medical evidence to support that either.0 -
I do think it's a scare tactic. Before I started my diet I went to a nutritionist and she told me to drop my caloric intake to 1200 calories and to exercise if I could. My trainer also has no problem with me being at 1200 colories so I don't worry about what this site says about starvation mode. I've lost 20lbs since the end of Jan. (8 while on this site) working within the 1200 calorie guidelines that I was given by my doctor...
A scare tactic by who? The evil Metabolism Corporation in league with the grocery stores?? What is there to gain by scaring people into eating a healthy amount of calories to support a weight loss and physical fitness routine.
Fit Canuck, I don't know you, but I'm starting to think I need you on my friends list.0 -
I can lose weight eating 1900 calories a day, ensure that I get enough micronutrients through food, go out and enjoy myself and have a meal/glass of wine etc, get enough energy to strength train, get enough protein and fats (yes, you need fats too), not worry about gaining when I hit my target and go to maintanance.
Or, I can eat less than 1000 calories a day, not get enough micronutrients through food, never go out for a meal, have declining energy levels, not get enough protein or fats and gain when I try to eat more when I have hit my target and run the risk of having a suppressed .metabolism.
Now, I can lose weight on both (I am currently losing at 1900) - but I know which one I prefer. So whether you believe in starvation mode or not, my question is....why would you pick the latter?
I get that this is a cost/benefit decision. If someone is very overweight, then the cost/benefit is different than someone who has 5, 10, 20lbs to lose.
Also, there are so many posts from folks under 1200 saying that 'it works for me' or 'I have lost no muscle mass' - how do they know? - have they had their metabolism tested and a DEXA scan before and after?0 -
I'm just blown away by all the misleading and harmful information that is being given on this thread. If your eating such low calories, don't make it seem like it is perfectly acceptable and fine for everybody else to do. None of you know what is going to happen once you get down to your "perfect weight". When you start having problems with your body and can't even eat at a range closer to maintenance without putting on a bunch of weight or you start losing hair, losing cycles, etc then you might see where you messed up. Don't pawn off your diet advice to others and put them on a horrible path. There are way to many complications that come from not eating enough to try to tell others it is ok. You BMR is what your body NEEDS TO FUNCTION. Why would you want to deprive yourself of the nessecary calories required to keep your organs functioning properly??
I don't even care if the whole 'starvation mode' is a myth or not. Stop encouraging others to eat way less than what they should be.0 -
Oh but then everybody suddenly becomes an 'expert'. Because they know so much from their 'own experience' with eating that way.I'm just blown away by all the misleading and harmful information that is being given on this thread. If your eating such low calories, don't make it seem like it is perfectly acceptable and fine for everybody else to do. None of you know what is going to happen once you get down to your "perfect weight". When you start having problems with your body and can't even eat at a range closer to maintenance without putting on a bunch of weight or you start losing hair, losing cycles, etc then you might see where you messed up. Don't pawn off your diet advice to others and put them on a horrible path. There are way to many complications that come from not eating enough to try to tell others it is ok. You BMR is what your body NEEDS TO FUNCTION. Why would you want to deprive yourself of the nessecary calories required to keep your organs functioning properly??
I don't even care if the whole 'starvation mode' is a myth or not. Stop encouraging others to eat way less than what they should be.
A simple way to get this to stop, is to say "inexperienced people please stop posting on this thread."0 -
I do think it's a scare tactic. Before I started my diet I went to a nutritionist and she told me to drop my caloric intake to 1200 calories and to exercise if I could. My trainer also has no problem with me being at 1200 colories so I don't worry about what this site says about starvation mode. I've lost 20lbs since the end of Jan. (8 while on this site) working within the 1200 calorie guidelines that I was given by my doctor...
A scare tactic by who? The evil Metabolism Corporation in league with the grocery stores?? What is there to gain by scaring people into eating a healthy amount of calories to support a weight loss and physical fitness routine.
Fit Canuck, I don't know you, but I'm starting to think I need you on my friends list.
Ditto that! I like this guy!0 -
I can lose weight eating 1900 calories a day, ensure that I get enough micronutrients through food, go out and enjoy myself and have a meal/glass of wine etc, get enough energy to strength train, get enough protein and fats (yes, you need fats too), not worry about gaining when I hit my target and go to maintanance.
Or, I can eat less than 1000 calories a day, not get enough micronutrients through food, never go out for a meal, have declining energy levels, not get enough protein or fats and gain when I try to eat more when I have hit my target and run the risk of having a suppressed .metabolism.
Now, I can lose weight on both (I am currently losing at 1900) - but I know which one I prefer. So whether you believe in starvation mode or not, my question is....why would you pick the latter?
I get that this is a cost/benefit decision. If someone is very overweight, then the cost/benefit is different than someone who has 5, 10, 20lbs to lose.
Also, there are so many posts from folks under 1200 saying that 'it works for me' or 'I have lost no muscle mass' - how do they know? - have they had their metabolism tested and a DEXA scan before and after?
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lets eat sub 1200
burn off all are muscle
then think we are doing a good job..0 -
love4fitness- you rock! I love all of your responses.
I am maintaining 115 lbs on 2200 calories a day, because I fueled my body properly. I love it. It's sustainable, I can have pizza, cake, and chicken wings several times a week and not go up 5 lbs. Everyone else can do this their own way, but I'm very happy with my results and when all the yo-yo under 1000 calorie dieters are back here in 6 months when they've gained the weight back, I'll still be happily in my size 2's, eating a slice of pizza.0 -
love4fitness- you rock! I love all of your responses.
I am maintaining 115 lbs on 2200 calories a day, because I fueled my body properly. I love it. It's sustainable, I can have pizza, cake, and chicken wings several times a week and not go up 5 lbs. Everyone else can do this their own way, but I'm very happy with my results and when all the yo-yo under 1000 calorie dieters are back here in 6 months when they've gained the weight back, I'll still be happily in my size 2's, eating a slice of pizza.
115lbs ans 2200 cals is dreamy. I am going to do everything possible to get my fat hypothyroid *kitten* there someday. Because of my thyroid disease, I may never get there, but I do not understand why perfectly healthy people would choose not to have that!0 -
^^^^^^^ Listen to them!!!!!! Trust me I have been there and all of you who eat under your BMR WILL rebound at some point!I'm just blown away by all the misleading and harmful information that is being given on this thread. If your eating such low calories, don't make it seem like it is perfectly acceptable and fine for everybody else to do. None of you know what is going to happen once you get down to your "perfect weight". When you start having problems with your body and can't even eat at a range closer to maintenance without putting on a bunch of weight or you start losing hair, losing cycles, etc then you might see where you messed up. Don't pawn off your diet advice to others and put them on a horrible path. There are way to many complications that come from not eating enough to try to tell others it is ok. You BMR is what your body NEEDS TO FUNCTION. Why would you want to deprive yourself of the nessecary calories required to keep your organs functioning properly??
I don't even care if the whole 'starvation mode' is a myth or not. Stop encouraging others to eat way less than what they should be.
A simple way to get this to stop, is to say "inexperienced people please stop posting on this thread."0 -
I do think it's a scare tactic. Before I started my diet I went to a nutritionist and she told me to drop my caloric intake to 1200 calories and to exercise if I could. My trainer also has no problem with me being at 1200 colories so I don't worry about what this site says about starvation mode. I've lost 20lbs since the end of Jan. (8 while on this site) working within the 1200 calorie guidelines that I was given by my doctor...
A scare tactic by who? The evil Metabolism Corporation in league with the grocery stores?? What is there to gain by scaring people into eating a healthy amount of calories to support a weight loss and physical fitness routine.
Fit Canuck, I don't know you, but I'm starting to think I need you on my friends list.
Ditto that! I like this guy!
Yes, i am about to send a friend request to this guy too!! Accept me please!!!0 -
Studies show that facts and science, instead of causing people to re-evaluate their opinions, usually cause them to cling more vehemently to their viewpoints.
In other news, /facepalm.
for reference: 5'3", 123 lbs, plateaued on low calories, now eating 1600-2000+ per day and feeling wonderful and lost 2 more lbs.0 -
I compromise between the two camps--I shoot for 1200 one day (rest day with VERY light activity) and then shoot for 1500 with strength and cardio exercise the next and back and forth. I don't worry about net.
(MFP would only put my calories at 1330 for the highest activity setting anyway, on .5 a week weight loss, and I'm no construction worker.) There doesn't seem to be much acknowledgement that 1200 calories is appropriate for some people--based on this website's recommendations.0
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