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  • Kenzietea2
    Kenzietea2 Posts: 1,132 Member
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    I think it is awesome you are trying to quit cold turkey, and if you think you can do it then go for it! But have you tried the ecigarette? I know a lot of struggle with people quitting is the fact they are also addicted to the actual act of lighting and using a cigarette. It worked for my friend and you can start with the nicotine ones and then wean yourself to the just water vapor ones with no nicotine. Just an idea that worked for someone I know :)
  • thepanttherlady
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    I just poked my head in to congratulate you on not only trying to healthier but on giving up smoking. I'm not a smoker, never have been, never will be but lived with parents who smoked my entire youth. I know it's not easy so you have my respect! :flowerforyou:
  • rockinsue285
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    bump
  • lisakyle_11
    lisakyle_11 Posts: 420 Member
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    I would do some Tae Bo. That will melt it off.

    lol...
  • wranglerlaura
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    When I quit smoking, I also lost something like 20 pounds of fat while gaining muscle. Scale didn't move much, but the inches sure changed. I had done the Body For Life challenge. It was an all consuming diet and exercise program that distracted me from smoking. It also had me eating every two to three hours (all super healthy stuff) which gave me something to think about and plan my day around in place of smoking. It might be looking into. It worked for me, but I tend to be obsessive and need strict structure. As far as starvation mode, listen to your body (not your stomach). Your body will tell you if you need to eat. Keep an eye out for weakness, lightheadedness, headaches, excessive thirst or excessive hunger. There are other signs, but those are the ones my body prefers to use. Good luck.
  • Loraah
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    Yes! My housemate has this, I'm definately ordering one on pay day, it's fantastic, I'd recommend it to anyone trying to quit!
    I think it is awesome you are trying to quit cold turkey, and if you think you can do it then go for it! But have you tried the ecigarette? I know a lot of struggle with people quitting is the fact they are also addicted to the actual act of lighting and using a cigarette. It worked for my friend and you can start with the nicotine ones and then wean yourself to the just water vapor ones with no nicotine. Just an idea that worked for someone I know :)
  • Loraah
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    Please do. I'm amused
    I'm going to change my username to "theartichoke"!
  • invisibubble
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    Oh, just like to add I quit smoking 11 months ago. I threw out all of my smoking stuff and allowed myself only a Nicorette inhaler, which was so vile I went from 20 a day, the inhaler the day after and then cold turkey after 1 day of the inhaler.
    It ISN'T hard, it's just missing a daily habit, and habits are hard to break when you're used to them. Small tip, I've become a sugarfree gum chewer. Kept my mouth busy when I missed the ciggies without food and junk. And honestly, if you gain a few pounds in the fisrt few weeks it's normal, and it won't hurt you. I gained six and then lost 14 or so once my body was used to beong without all those nasty chemicals.
    Just concentrate on healthy. Smoking first, but move and eat well. Accept the scale may move up to begin with. Once that's done, you'll perhaps find healthy eating easier to settle into.
  • myofibril
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    Oh look, I get to post this article written by Tom Venuto again:

    IS STARVATION MODE A MYTH? NO! STARVATION MODE IS VERY REAL AND HERE’S THE SCIENTIFIC PROOF

    QUESTION:

    Tom, I was wondering if you had seen the 6 part e-mail series sent out by [name deleted] from [website deleted]. if you look at the last part, he basically states that “starvation mode” is a bunch of crap made up in order to sell diet programs. He didn’t mention you, but it almost sounds like he’s talking about you specifically. How do you feel about this?

    ANSWER:

    I’m afraid the person who wrote that article is mistaken about starvation mode. Not only does his article contain technical errors, but anyone who sees what kind of products he promotes will realize where all his biases come from if you simply read between the lines a little bit. The pot calls the kettle black.

    He accuses those of us who use the term “starvation mode” as being unscientific and he even says “dont buy diet books if they mention the starvation mode.” Yet in a moment, it will become clear that he is the one who doesn’t appear very well read in the scientific literature on the effects of starvation and low calorie diets.
    The effects of starvation mode are indeed sometimes overblown and there are myths about the starvation mode, like it will completely “shut down” your metabolism (can’t happen - you’d be dead if your metabolism stopped), or that if you miss one meal your metabolism will crash (doesn’t happen that fast, although your blood sugar and energy levels may dip and hunger may rise).

    Another myth about starvation mode is that adaptive reduction in metabolic rate (where metabolism slows down in response to decrease calorie intake) is enough to cause a plateau. That is also not true. it will cause a SLOW DOWN in progress but not a total cessation of fat loss.

    As a result of these myths, I have even clarified and refined my own messages about starvation mode in the past few years because I don’t want to see people panic merely because they miss a meal or they’re using an aggressive caloric deficit at times. I find that people tend to worry about this far too much.

    However, starvation response is real, it is extremely well documented and is not just a metabolic adaptation - it is also a series of changes in the brain, mediated by the hypothalamus as well as hormonal changes which induce food seeking behaviors.
    Here is just a handful of the research and the explanations that I have handy:

    Ancel Key’s Minnesota starvation study is the classic work in this area, which dates back to 1950 and is still referenced to this day. In this study, there was a 40% decrease in metabolism due to 6 months of “semi-starvation” at 50% deficit.

    Much or most of the decrease was due to loss of body mass, (which was much more pronounced because the subjects were not weight training), but not all of the metabolic decline could be explained simply by the loss of body weight, thus “metabolic adaptation” to starvation was proposed as the explanation for the difference.

    Abdul Dulloo of the University of Geneva did a series of studies that revisited the 1300 pages of data that keys collected from this landmark study, which will not ever be repeated due to ethical considerations. (it’s not easy to do longitudinal studies that starve people, as you can imagine)
    Here’s one of those follow up studies:

    “Adaptive reduction in basal metabolic rate in response to food deprivation in humans: a role for feedback signals from fat stores. Dulloo, Jaquet 1998. American journal of clinical nutrition.

    Quote:

    “It is well established from longitudinal studies of human starvation and semistarvation that weight loss is accompanied by a decrease in basal metabolicrate (BMR) greater than can be accounted for by the change in body weight or body composition”

    “the survival value of such an energy-regulatory process that limits tissue depletion during food scarcity is obvious.”

    Also, starvation mode is a series of intense food seeking behaviors and other psychological symptoms and if you do any research on the minnesota study and other more recent studies, you will find out that starvation mode as a spontaneous increase in food seeking behavior is very, very real.

    Do you think sex is the most primal urge? Think again! Hunger is the most primal of all human urges and when starved, interest in everything else including reproduction, falls by the wayside until you have been re-fed.

    There are even changes in the reproductive system linked to starvation mode: It makes total sense too because if you cannot feed yourself, how can you have offspring and feed them - when you starve and or when body fat drops to extremely low levels, testosterone decreases in men, and menstrual cycle stops in women.

    Starvation mode is not just adaptive reduction metabolic rate - it is much more.

    There IS a controversy over how much of the decrease in metabolism with weight loss is caused by starvation mode, but the case is extremely strong:
    For example, this study DIRECTLY addresses the controversy over HOW MUCH of a decrease in metabolism really occurs with starvation due to adaptive thermogenesis and how much is very simply due to a loss in total body mass.

    Doucet, et al 2001. British journal of nutrition. “Evidence for the existence of adaptive thermogenesis during weight loss.”
    quote:

    “It should be expected that the decrease in resting energy expenditure that occurs during weightloss would be proportional to the decrease in body substance. However, in the case of underfeeding studies, acute energy restriction can also lead to reductions in resting energy expenditure which are not entirely explained by changes in body composition.”

    Starvation response is even a scientific term that is used in obesity science textbooks - word for word - CONTRARY to the claim made by the expert mentioned earlier who thinks the phrase, starvation mode is “unscientific.”

    Handbook of Obesity Treatment, by wadden and stunkard
    (two of the top obesity scientists and researchers in the world )
    quote:

    “The starvation response - which is an increase in food seeking behavior - is most likely mediated by the decrease in leptin associated with caloric deprivation.”

    Textbooks on nutritional biochemistry also acknowledge the decrease in metabolism and distinguish it as an adaptive mechanism, distinct from the decrease in energy expenditure that would be expected with weight loss. In this case, the author also mentions another downside of very low calorie diets: spontaneous reduction in physical activity.

    Biochemical And Physiological Aspects of Human Nutrition by SM. Stipanauk, professor of nutritional sciences, Cornell University (WB Saunders company, 2000)

    Quote:

    “During food restriction, thermic effect of food and energy expenditure decrease, as would be expected from reduced food intake and a reduction in total body mass. Resting metabolic rate, however declines more rapidly than would be expected from the loss of body mass and from the decline in spontaneous physical activity due to general fatigue.

    This adaptive reduction in resting metabolic rate may be a defense against further loss of body energy stores.”
    Granted, it is more often referred to as “metabolic adaptation” or “adaptive reduction in metabolic rate.” However, starvation mode and starvation response are both terms found in the scientific literature, and they are more easily understood by the layperson, which is why I choose to use them.

    Another effect of starvation mode is what happens after the diet: A sustained increase in appetite and a sustained reduction of metabolic rate that persists after the diet is over. Although controversial, this too is documented in the literature:

    American Journal clinical nutrition 1997. Dulloo “post starvation hyperphagia and body fat overshooting in humans.”

    American Journal Clin Nutrition 1989, Elliot et al. “Sustained depression of the resting metabolic rate after massive weight loss”
    quote:

    “Resting metabolic rate of our obese subjects remained depressed after massive weight loss despite increased caloric consumption to a level that allowed body weight stabilization.”
    and Dulloo 1998:

    “The reduction in thermogenesis during semistarvation persists after 12 weeks of restricted refeeding, with its size being inversely proportional to the degree of fat recovery but unrelated to the degree of fat free mass recovery.”
    By the way, this explains what some people refer to as “metabolic damage” and although this is not a scientific phrase, you can see that it too is a reality. It is the lag time between when a diet ends and when your metabolism and appetite regulating mechanisms get back to normal.

    Last, but certainly not least, and perhaps the best indicator of starvation mode is the hormone LEPTIN. you could spend weeks studying leptin and still not cover all the data that has been amassed on this subject.

    Leptin IS the anti starvation hormone. Some people say leptin IS the starvation mode itself because it regulates many of the negative effects that occur during starvation.

    leptin is secreted mostly from fat cells and it signals your brain about your fat stores. If your fat stores diminish (danger of starvation), your leptin decreases. If your calorie intake decreases, your leptin level decreases.

    When leptin decreases, it essentially sounds the starvation alarm. In response, your brain (hypothalamus) sends out signals for other hormones to be released which decrease metabolic rate and increase appetite.

    In summary and conclusion:

    There is no debate whatsoever about the existence of starvation mode - IT EXISTS and is well documented.
    There is also no debate whatsoever that metabolic rate decreases with weight loss. It happens and is well documented, and it is a reason for plateuas.

    There’s really only ONE debate about starvation mode that is — HOW MUCH of the starvation mode is comprised of adaptive reduction in metabolic rate and how much is due to loss of total body mass and increased feeding behaviors?

    Researchers are still debating these questions, in fact just earlier this year another study was releasd by Major and Doucet in the international journal of obesity called, “clinical significance of adaptive thermogenesis.”

    Here’s a quote from this latest (2007) study:

    “Adaptive thermogenesis is described as the decrease in energy expenditure beyond what could be predicted from the changes in fat mass or fat free mass under conditions of standardized physical activity in response to a decreased energy intake, and could represent in some individuals another factor that impedes weight loss and compromises the maintenance of a reduced body weight.”

    I respect the work that other fitness professionals are trying to do to debunk diet and fitness myths, but this fellow didn’t seem to do his homework and totally missed the boat on this article about starvation mode.

    What’s really odd is that he didn’t quote a single study in his article, despite his repeated reference to “scientific research.”

    If he wanted to argue against adaptive reduction in metabolic rate and chalk starvation mode up purely to increase in food seeking behaviors… and if he wanted to attribute the decreased metabolism with weight loss purely to lost body mass, he easily could have done that. But he didn’t cite ANY studies. He just expects us to take his word for it that “starvation mode is a myth,” and people like me who use the phrase starvation mode are “unscientific”

    Either way you argue it - and whatever you choose to call it - “starvation response” is a scientific fact and that’s why low calorie diets are risky business and mostly just quick fixes.

    The rapid weight loss in the beginning is an illusion: Starvation diets catch up with you eventually… just like other habits such as smoking appear to do no harm at first, but sooner or later the damage is done.

    For years I’ve considered it so important to understand the consequences of starvation diets that my entire burn the fat program is built around helping you recover from metabolic damage from past diet mistakes, to avoid the starvation mode, or to at least keep the effects of the starvation mode to a minimum so you can lose the fat and keep the muscle.

    Sincerely,
    Your friend and “Burn The fat coach”

    Tom Venuto, CSCS, NSCA-CPT
    www.BurnTheFat.com
  • aniwani
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    yes 1600 cals is totally safe it's not that low =)
  • theartichoke
    theartichoke Posts: 816 Member
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    Heehee
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
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    I promised I would not get involved in anymore starvation mode discussions so I'm only going to address the smoking issue-

    I would try to think more long term than what the scale is going to say in the short term. Do what you need to do to get past smoking. If it causes you to gain a couple pounds, so be it- just try to keep it in check so you don't form new unhealthy eating habits to replace smoking. Just think of how much easier it will be to exercise once you're not a smoker anymore...you'll be able to get those pounds back off.
  • Loraah
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    I had No doubt that it exists, I truely believe starvation mode is real and does happen. My main queries were as an obese person eating 1600 calories can i get away with not eating back exercise calories or will this cause damage to me
    Oh look, I get to post this article written by Tom Venuto again:

    IS STARVATION MODE A MYTH? NO! STARVATION MODE IS VERY REAL AND HERE’S THE SCIENTIFIC PROOF

    QUESTION:

    Tom, I was wondering if you had seen the 6 part e-mail series sent out by [name deleted] from [website deleted]. if you look at the last part, he basically states that “starvation mode” is a bunch of crap made up in order to sell diet programs. He didn’t mention you, but it almost sounds like he’s talking about you specifically. How do you feel about this?

    ANSWER:

    I’m afraid the person who wrote that article is mistaken about starvation mode. Not only does his article contain technical errors, but anyone who sees what kind of products he promotes will realize where all his biases come from if you simply read between the lines a little bit. The pot calls the kettle black.

    He accuses those of us who use the term “starvation mode” as being unscientific and he even says “dont buy diet books if they mention the starvation mode.” Yet in a moment, it will become clear that he is the one who doesn’t appear very well read in the scientific literature on the effects of starvation and low calorie diets.
    The effects of starvation mode are indeed sometimes overblown and there are myths about the starvation mode, like it will completely “shut down” your metabolism (can’t happen - you’d be dead if your metabolism stopped), or that if you miss one meal your metabolism will crash (doesn’t happen that fast, although your blood sugar and energy levels may dip and hunger may rise).

    Another myth about starvation mode is that adaptive reduction in metabolic rate (where metabolism slows down in response to decrease calorie intake) is enough to cause a plateau. That is also not true. it will cause a SLOW DOWN in progress but not a total cessation of fat loss.

    As a result of these myths, I have even clarified and refined my own messages about starvation mode in the past few years because I don’t want to see people panic merely because they miss a meal or they’re using an aggressive caloric deficit at times. I find that people tend to worry about this far too much.

    However, starvation response is real, it is extremely well documented and is not just a metabolic adaptation - it is also a series of changes in the brain, mediated by the hypothalamus as well as hormonal changes which induce food seeking behaviors.
    Here is just a handful of the research and the explanations that I have handy:

    Ancel Key’s Minnesota starvation study is the classic work in this area, which dates back to 1950 and is still referenced to this day. In this study, there was a 40% decrease in metabolism due to 6 months of “semi-starvation” at 50% deficit.

    Much or most of the decrease was due to loss of body mass, (which was much more pronounced because the subjects were not weight training), but not all of the metabolic decline could be explained simply by the loss of body weight, thus “metabolic adaptation” to starvation was proposed as the explanation for the difference.

    Abdul Dulloo of the University of Geneva did a series of studies that revisited the 1300 pages of data that keys collected from this landmark study, which will not ever be repeated due to ethical considerations. (it’s not easy to do longitudinal studies that starve people, as you can imagine)
    Here’s one of those follow up studies:

    “Adaptive reduction in basal metabolic rate in response to food deprivation in humans: a role for feedback signals from fat stores. Dulloo, Jaquet 1998. American journal of clinical nutrition.

    Quote:

    “It is well established from longitudinal studies of human starvation and semistarvation that weight loss is accompanied by a decrease in basal metabolicrate (BMR) greater than can be accounted for by the change in body weight or body composition”

    “the survival value of such an energy-regulatory process that limits tissue depletion during food scarcity is obvious.”

    Also, starvation mode is a series of intense food seeking behaviors and other psychological symptoms and if you do any research on the minnesota study and other more recent studies, you will find out that starvation mode as a spontaneous increase in food seeking behavior is very, very real.

    Do you think sex is the most primal urge? Think again! Hunger is the most primal of all human urges and when starved, interest in everything else including reproduction, falls by the wayside until you have been re-fed.

    There are even changes in the reproductive system linked to starvation mode: It makes total sense too because if you cannot feed yourself, how can you have offspring and feed them - when you starve and or when body fat drops to extremely low levels, testosterone decreases in men, and menstrual cycle stops in women.

    Starvation mode is not just adaptive reduction metabolic rate - it is much more.

    There IS a controversy over how much of the decrease in metabolism with weight loss is caused by starvation mode, but the case is extremely strong:
    For example, this study DIRECTLY addresses the controversy over HOW MUCH of a decrease in metabolism really occurs with starvation due to adaptive thermogenesis and how much is very simply due to a loss in total body mass.

    Doucet, et al 2001. British journal of nutrition. “Evidence for the existence of adaptive thermogenesis during weight loss.”
    quote:

    “It should be expected that the decrease in resting energy expenditure that occurs during weightloss would be proportional to the decrease in body substance. However, in the case of underfeeding studies, acute energy restriction can also lead to reductions in resting energy expenditure which are not entirely explained by changes in body composition.”

    Starvation response is even a scientific term that is used in obesity science textbooks - word for word - CONTRARY to the claim made by the expert mentioned earlier who thinks the phrase, starvation mode is “unscientific.”

    Handbook of Obesity Treatment, by wadden and stunkard
    (two of the top obesity scientists and researchers in the world )
    quote:

    “The starvation response - which is an increase in food seeking behavior - is most likely mediated by the decrease in leptin associated with caloric deprivation.”

    Textbooks on nutritional biochemistry also acknowledge the decrease in metabolism and distinguish it as an adaptive mechanism, distinct from the decrease in energy expenditure that would be expected with weight loss. In this case, the author also mentions another downside of very low calorie diets: spontaneous reduction in physical activity.

    Biochemical And Physiological Aspects of Human Nutrition by SM. Stipanauk, professor of nutritional sciences, Cornell University (WB Saunders company, 2000)

    Quote:

    “During food restriction, thermic effect of food and energy expenditure decrease, as would be expected from reduced food intake and a reduction in total body mass. Resting metabolic rate, however declines more rapidly than would be expected from the loss of body mass and from the decline in spontaneous physical activity due to general fatigue.

    This adaptive reduction in resting metabolic rate may be a defense against further loss of body energy stores.”
    Granted, it is more often referred to as “metabolic adaptation” or “adaptive reduction in metabolic rate.” However, starvation mode and starvation response are both terms found in the scientific literature, and they are more easily understood by the layperson, which is why I choose to use them.

    Another effect of starvation mode is what happens after the diet: A sustained increase in appetite and a sustained reduction of metabolic rate that persists after the diet is over. Although controversial, this too is documented in the literature:

    American Journal clinical nutrition 1997. Dulloo “post starvation hyperphagia and body fat overshooting in humans.”

    American Journal Clin Nutrition 1989, Elliot et al. “Sustained depression of the resting metabolic rate after massive weight loss”
    quote:

    “Resting metabolic rate of our obese subjects remained depressed after massive weight loss despite increased caloric consumption to a level that allowed body weight stabilization.”
    and Dulloo 1998:

    “The reduction in thermogenesis during semistarvation persists after 12 weeks of restricted refeeding, with its size being inversely proportional to the degree of fat recovery but unrelated to the degree of fat free mass recovery.”
    By the way, this explains what some people refer to as “metabolic damage” and although this is not a scientific phrase, you can see that it too is a reality. It is the lag time between when a diet ends and when your metabolism and appetite regulating mechanisms get back to normal.

    Last, but certainly not least, and perhaps the best indicator of starvation mode is the hormone LEPTIN. you could spend weeks studying leptin and still not cover all the data that has been amassed on this subject.

    Leptin IS the anti starvation hormone. Some people say leptin IS the starvation mode itself because it regulates many of the negative effects that occur during starvation.

    leptin is secreted mostly from fat cells and it signals your brain about your fat stores. If your fat stores diminish (danger of starvation), your leptin decreases. If your calorie intake decreases, your leptin level decreases.

    When leptin decreases, it essentially sounds the starvation alarm. In response, your brain (hypothalamus) sends out signals for other hormones to be released which decrease metabolic rate and increase appetite.

    In summary and conclusion:

    There is no debate whatsoever about the existence of starvation mode - IT EXISTS and is well documented.
    There is also no debate whatsoever that metabolic rate decreases with weight loss. It happens and is well documented, and it is a reason for plateuas.

    There’s really only ONE debate about starvation mode that is — HOW MUCH of the starvation mode is comprised of adaptive reduction in metabolic rate and how much is due to loss of total body mass and increased feeding behaviors?

    Researchers are still debating these questions, in fact just earlier this year another study was releasd by Major and Doucet in the international journal of obesity called, “clinical significance of adaptive thermogenesis.”

    Here’s a quote from this latest (2007) study:

    “Adaptive thermogenesis is described as the decrease in energy expenditure beyond what could be predicted from the changes in fat mass or fat free mass under conditions of standardized physical activity in response to a decreased energy intake, and could represent in some individuals another factor that impedes weight loss and compromises the maintenance of a reduced body weight.”

    I respect the work that other fitness professionals are trying to do to debunk diet and fitness myths, but this fellow didn’t seem to do his homework and totally missed the boat on this article about starvation mode.

    What’s really odd is that he didn’t quote a single study in his article, despite his repeated reference to “scientific research.”

    If he wanted to argue against adaptive reduction in metabolic rate and chalk starvation mode up purely to increase in food seeking behaviors… and if he wanted to attribute the decreased metabolism with weight loss purely to lost body mass, he easily could have done that. But he didn’t cite ANY studies. He just expects us to take his word for it that “starvation mode is a myth,” and people like me who use the phrase starvation mode are “unscientific”

    Either way you argue it - and whatever you choose to call it - “starvation response” is a scientific fact and that’s why low calorie diets are risky business and mostly just quick fixes.

    The rapid weight loss in the beginning is an illusion: Starvation diets catch up with you eventually… just like other habits such as smoking appear to do no harm at first, but sooner or later the damage is done.

    For years I’ve considered it so important to understand the consequences of starvation diets that my entire burn the fat program is built around helping you recover from metabolic damage from past diet mistakes, to avoid the starvation mode, or to at least keep the effects of the starvation mode to a minimum so you can lose the fat and keep the muscle.

    Sincerely,
    Your friend and “Burn The fat coach”

    Tom Venuto, CSCS, NSCA-CPT
    www.BurnTheFat.com
  • Loraah
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    Hell yeah!
    Heehee
  • myofibril
    myofibril Posts: 4,500 Member
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    Im 119kg and am eating 1600 calories per day.

    Please give me your views on this, I'm really not sure what to think.

    You'll be fine. It's one of the advantages of having a higher starting weight as your body should be able to handle a steeper deficit much better than a leaner individual.

    However in terms of a workable deficit you have plenty of "wiggle" room so don't stress if you go over 1600 calories a day. Honestly I think you could eat a 1000 calories more per day and continue to lose weight comfortably. It won't always stay that way though...
  • em9371
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    Loraah,
    Depending on the amount of exercise, a person can est higher cals but still be under eating - eg eating 1600 and exercise off 1000, is just the same as eating only 600 which is way too little.
    Ideally you should net above your bmr, which will probably be at least 1600 based on your weight, so yes, not eating back exercise could cause problems.
  • ShellBell4281
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    I don't think that you need to eat back your workout calories. I don't lose weight when I do that and I think there is a lot of misinformation out there about "starvation mode". I won't get into this debate now but believe me, you're fine!
  • Loraah
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    Thank you, a direct straight to the point answer. Although today I did burn 1000 and not eat it back I don't usually burn that high and yesterday I ate more than 1000 over so I was trying to fix that, it's actually 5am thursday morning here so no eating back for me, it's a new day. From all the advice this thread has given me I'm going to aim to eat back at least 50% or my exercise calories
    Loraah,
    Depending on the amount of exercise, a person can est higher cals but still be under eating - eg eating 1600 and exercise off 1000, is just the same as eating only 600 which is way too little.
    Ideally you should net above your bmr, which will probably be at least 1600 based on your weight, so yes, not eating back exercise could cause problems.
  • Loraah
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    Cool thanks for this! Very helpful
    Im 119kg and am eating 1600 calories per day.

    Please give me your views on this, I'm really not sure what to think.

    You'll be fine. It's one of the advantages of having a higher starting weight as your body should be able to handle a steeper deficit much better than a leaner individual.

    However in terms of a workable deficit you have plenty of "wiggle" room so don't stress if you go over 1600 calories a day. Honestly I think you could eat a 1000 calories more per day and continue to lose weight comfortably. It won't always stay that way though...
  • Kenzietea2
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    Yes! My housemate has this, I'm definately ordering one on pay day, it's fantastic, I'd recommend it to anyone trying to quit!
    I think it is awesome you are trying to quit cold turkey, and if you think you can do it then go for it! But have you tried the ecigarette? I know a lot of struggle with people quitting is the fact they are also addicted to the actual act of lighting and using a cigarette. It worked for my friend and you can start with the nicotine ones and then wean yourself to the just water vapor ones with no nicotine. Just an idea that worked for someone I know :)

    Yeah my friend was able to quit in a fairly timely manner using it! Good luck!
    And I also agree with the majority saying you should focus more on quitting smoking than eating perfectly. Be mindful of what you eat, but if eating a little more/day is going to help you quit, it will be a lot better for your health in the long run. I am proud of you for quitting, it is not an easy task!