Pre and post workout nutrition

jetscreaminagain

I like weight lifting. I always have. More than most cardio other than swimming. Like to lift weights.

There is a person on these forums who blindly asserts that her particular version of martial arts and boxing that is promoted by a certain attractive man with an aliterative name is the best/only way to get results like her. She has a tendency to assert that lifting heavy don't get results and that she knows her body. Blah Blah Blah.

The result of her constant derailing of threads about women lifting weights is that at least a dozen MFP users I know have bought the book New Rules of Lifting for Women. Probably a similar number have thrown out their DVD's of fat-blasting cardio party Kar-oxing whatevers. Me? I've started emphasizing the lifting MUCH MUCH more than the cardio.

I bring this up not to flame the other user in any way. I tried to conceal her identity out of respect as I don't want to flame. I just wanted to highlight for you what happens when people get known for going into threads and derailing them to emphasize a deeply emotionally held conviction against one mode of thought and in favor of an opposing personality. No one takes Tae Bo seriously now, and its probably a darned good workout. People are just done hearing about it. If you really think this Taubes guy has it right, I'd suggest you focus on what he says that is dead on. Advocate that. Don't spend your take-me-seriously-chips calling published authors idiots or calling names at your former MFP friends. That's like the tae bo lady saying all us heavy lifting women are gonna get man chests. Its just dumb and it means no one will take you seriously after that.

So. take a step back. Take some deep breaths in and exhale completely, and reassess what it is you think is the cat's meow about your favorite author's ideas and then focus on that. Not that your friends left you behind or that the opposing author disappointed you. Seriously. Do that. Or I'm gonna go check out that Rapid Fat Loss stuff and read all those books that that one guy you're butthurt at suggested.

Sarauk2sf

OP: basically, make sure you hit your macros for the day and eat what/when is preferable to you - keep it simple. For me, if I have not eaten much the prior night, I feel I need something pre-work out otherwise is affects my performance. So play around with it and take note of when you have a better workout and feel better. Your absorbtion window is very long, so do not worry about when you get your proteins - focus on hitting your protein target for the day.

tigersword

Meats, eggs, and nut kcals decreased 4%.
Dairy kcals decreased 3%.
Percentage of fruit kcals stayed the same.
Percentage of vegetable kcals stayed the same.
Flour and cereal product kcals increased 3%.
Added fat kcals are up 7%,
Added sugars kcals decreased 1%
Total energy intake in 1970 averaged 2172 kcal. By 2007 this hiked up to 2775 kcal, a 603 kcal increase.

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

Look at it good... protein sources decreased, carbs and fat increased.

ADDED SUGAR DECREASED BY 1%. You are aware that Lustig's entire argument was the increase in added sugars, right? Fat has absolutely nothing to do with Lustig's argument, glucose and polysaccharides had nothing to do with Lustig's point. Lustig's entire argument was about fructose.

So, based on that, would say that Lustig should be blaming the increase in fat instead of fructose?

KimInsanityP

I love Vega Sport Pre and post workout drinks. Its vegan!

SwimTheButterfly

Bump:flowerforyou:

AlsDonkBoxSquat

OP: I almost always work out empty aside from coffee. I just can't exercise on anything else, including moderate amounts of fluid. Theres no rhyme or reason why I do what I do except I've tried a few different meals and have found that for my 530 am workouts it's coffee before and once I get settled into work for the day, about an hour after, I usually have one whole egg, one egg white, one corn tortilla, string cheese, and citrus fruit if I have some around along with more coffee. This usually make everything feel better. I never have a problem with performance during workouts either. I like the protein/fat/card distribution (although the protein could be higher for my liking).

tigersword

Meats, eggs, and nut kcals decreased 4%.
Dairy kcals decreased 3%.
Percentage of fruit kcals stayed the same.
Percentage of vegetable kcals stayed the same.
Flour and cereal product kcals increased 3%.
Added fat kcals are up 7%,
Added sugars kcals decreased 1%
Total energy intake in 1970 averaged 2172 kcal. By 2007 this hiked up to 2775 kcal, a 603 kcal increase.

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

Look at it good... protein sources decreased, carbs and fat increased.

ADDED SUGAR DECREASED BY 1%. You are aware that Lustig's entire argument was the increase in added sugars, right? Fat has absolutely nothing to do with Lustig's argument, glucose and polysaccharides had nothing to do with Lustig's point. Lustig's entire argument was about fructose.

So, based on that, would say that Lustig should be blaming the increase in fat instead of fructose?

I didn't know that sugars and carbs where different macro nutrients, thanks for letting me know.

Cereal grains don't have fructose in them, and they aren't "sugar." They are complex oligosaccharides, and have absolutely nothing to do with fructose, which was Lustig's entire argument, that FRUCTOSE was bad. Try and twist it however you like it, but the facts are right there, staring you in the face. All the fructose containing foods (fruits and added sugars) either stayed the same, or decreased, the exact opposite of Lustig's claims.

tigersword

You gained it back cause you ate and ate. I've seen your diary many times. I've seen your comments on your wall about how you aren't motivated. I've seen the comments about Lyle and now Alan. But yet you think Taubes is amazing? Logic is flawed completely. Taubes is full of broscience, while Lyle and Alan base everything off peer-reviewed research/studies.

I absolutely refuse to get into a pissing match with you bro. I removed you because unfortunately you have this negative energy vibe that illuminates badly, and I prefer to support people that are willing the atleast try and not give excuses.

You have a good night.

Taubes debunked cold fushion (i know you know nothing about that) that is one of the biggest accomplishments in chemistry.
My diary... I can promise you, it looks better than yours 95% of the time.

My workouts? Joe if you only knew. You're just making stuff up. If I wasn't motivated, I wouldn't have made a body change pound for pound greater than yours and sidesteel combined.

Taubes has absolutely zero education in nutrition, and it shows with his lack of actual research and knowledge in his books on nutrition. Taubes has a degree in journalism, he has no education at all in any field related to health, fitness, or nutrition. He has no more credibility than any random poster on this site.

Oh, and for the record, Taubes did not "debunk" cold fusion. He wrote about cold fusion. Actual scientists debated the merits of cold fusion for and against, and Taubes wrote an unresearched, non-scholarly book about the debates, which at the time were leaning toward cold fusion not being possible.

However, scientists are still currently studying cold fusion, so it certainly hasn't been "debunked" by anybody.

AlsDonkBoxSquat

a douche is deleting people for idiotic reason. You have no idea wtf is going on. Oh sorry about my spelling, i am pretty buzzed, sorry if that offends you.

Seriously, this is the freaking Internet. Honestly, why do you care that much about someone removing you from their friends list no matter the reason? I've removed people because excessive text speak drives me nuts, we're each here to have our own experiences make what we want out of it. You want to argue macro/micro nutrient timing, this is the thread to do it. You want to hash out *kitten* with joe and sidesteel, make a new thread.

DFWTT

This thread should be made into a de-motivational poster for new members.

jg627

For the most part I just eat because I'm hungry, but, since I'm eating before I go to the gym anyway, I try to get complex carbohydrates and sugars. Since I am going to drink coffee anyway, I do it at the same time as my pre-workout snack/meal, which is about an hour or two before I go to the gym. I go to the gym before dinner, because I know I'm going to be hungry afterwards. On the flip side, before I got out of shape, back when I was in the army, I did PT while fasted and I didn't like that one bit. This is all just my personal preference and I don't do it to get any special results. You should do what makes you feel good. If eating while fasted, like me, makes you feel like you're going to puke, don't do it just because somebody said that somebody said that you'll get better results or something if you're just trying to get in shape to be healthy. If you were a professional athelete or training for the olympics, it might be a different story.

And don't eat just because I said so if you like to work out fasted either. I forgot to add that in there.

PercivalHackworth

I used to have a whey shaker 30 mn before and a slice of gingerbread, but frankly I was not really able sometimes to control the portions, and I trained bloated sometimes.
Now I have my lunch (around 100g of CHO) and I train 5 hours later, fasted. I never found myself really tired, only days I wasn't having enough carbs at lunch.

After the workout, I wait 1 hour sometimes and eat 70% of my daily intake, which includes all the nutrients.

AlsDonkBoxSquat

a douche is deleting people for idiotic reason. You have no idea wtf is going on. Oh sorry about my spelling, i am pretty buzzed, sorry if that offends you.

Seriously, this is the freaking Internet. Honestly, why do you care that much about someone removing you from their friends list no matter the reason? I've removed people because excessive text speak drives me nuts, we're each here to have our own experiences make what we want out of it. You want to argue macro/micro nutrient timing, this is the thread to do it. You want to hash out *kitten* with joe and sidesteel, make a new thread.

No, sidesteel was being "CONDESCENDING" towards me. His famous word. This is what started all this. here is my question, why do you care? I don't know you, you say "you just want to argue" it seems like you're the one that wants to, popping out of the blue and just getting involved. This reminds me of "middle school"

I'm sorry, maybe today (now that your not drinking) you can see that you applied bits of Jet's convo with you to me. I only care in so far that the op is looking for answers to a question and your derailment is not helpful.

listlife

i follow this guide: http://greatist.com/health/the-complete-guide-to-workout-nutrition/

tigersword

i follow this guide: http://greatist.com/health/the-complete-guide-to-workout-nutrition/

Ridiculously over complicated, and quite honestly, ineffective.