President natural-born citizen clause. Repealed?

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  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,947 Member
    Let's face it, the President of the United States will ALWAYS be someone with money. I don't think any President will come from a background that doesn't involve money.
    That's why the average American is always just going to be average. People with money don't really want them to succeed in politics. It doesn't matter if they are republican or democrat.

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  • TinkrBelz
    TinkrBelz Posts: 866 Member
    Let's face it, the President of the United States will ALWAYS be someone with money. I don't think any President will come from a background that doesn't involve money.
    That's why the average American is always just going to be average. People with money don't really want them to succeed in politics. It doesn't matter if they are republican or democrat.

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    I agree with this AND, what normal everyday person wants to go through all of the crap and put their family through all of the crap that one has to go through to be the Democrat nominee or the Republican nominee???

    As much as I love politics, I would never want to run for any office just because I know that the opposing side (Republican and Democrat) will do everything to destroy me and my family...it just isn't worth it to me.
  • Jennyisbusy
    Jennyisbusy Posts: 1,294 Member
    Funny you should ask.

    I was just thinking about this very topic on a road trip a few weeks ago.

    I don't know what I think for sure, but if I have to get a "Aye," or "Nay." I'd go with no for now.

    I can't imagine a non-native born citizen loving my country as much as a native born citizen. When I hear of world disasters, it saddens my heart. But when I hear of world disasters in the United States of America the cut is a little deeper. Wrong of me, but it's an honest truth. I think about 9-11 and Katrina years after they happened. But I don't think of disasters in other countries years later.

    I think it's because it hit "home." And my president should be from my home.

    And surely we have a great enough pool of applicants from which to choose. So why would we need to repeal the law?

    I do agree, it would be very nice if our Commander In Chief had military experience.

    I guess the flipside of that argument could be how some of the kids who grow up here have NO clue how good they have it, and someone who works like a dog, gathers money, leaves some of their family and everything familiar behind because they love, appreciate USA...

    Are we really not under the threat of another country planting a 'leader' into our system to help their own country???

    Complicated questions these are!
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    No.

    Why? Because Arnold Schwarzenegger would be eligible (:noway:)?

    As would have Henry Kissinger. :smile:
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    It's an interesting idea. I am just glad your subject line was not a tongue-in-cheek statement claiming Obama was born in Kenya...

    That was my fear as well.
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    The United States has extremely generous citizenship policies. If you're born here, you're a citizen. That is not the case in many countries. I don't think there's a problem in requiring an aspirant for the top job to be a natural-born citizen and at least 35 years in age.
  • mommared53
    mommared53 Posts: 9,543 Member
    In before the lock. No, it should not be repealed.
  • dmpizza
    dmpizza Posts: 3,321 Member
    I think the president should be born an American.
    President Obama was born an American, but he is a great example of why we need this clause for one simple reason.
    He does not LOVE the United States. Don't tell me he does, he doesn't, and people not born here would be less likeley(but not incapable, Arnold S. is one example) of loving this country.
  • roachhaley
    roachhaley Posts: 978 Member
    No.
  • futuremalestripper
    futuremalestripper Posts: 467 Member
    I was born and raised in Canada, but gained American citizenship through my father. I don't believe it should be repealed. Sure there might be some good candidates filtered out from time to time, but if you open the flood gates you won't ever shut them and it can lead to a lot of bad possibilities. Stick to the constitution.


    dmpizza - I love this country, I plan to live here all my life, and I am going into military defense. That being said, I know a lot of others who give allegiance to their birth country first and foremost. So I completely agree, no repeal.
  • dmpizza
    dmpizza Posts: 3,321 Member
    @futuremailestr, I know immigrants can love this country, my Grandparents certainly did and offered their three sons to fight for it. But there are people born here or not, that refuse to love something like the US.
  • alyson820
    alyson820 Posts: 448 Member
    I think it should be repealed, personally. Many US citizens who immigrated here are just as capable of leading the country and upholding American ideals and standards. I think being an American has nothing to do with where you were born, but how much you love the country and what it stands for.
  • alyson820
    alyson820 Posts: 448 Member
    Besides, just because someone can run for president doesn't mean they'll be elected. The people should elect the best president based on merit and quality.

    Honestly though, if it is repealed, it would take a long, long time (if ever) before the country would elect someone who wasn't a natural-born citizen.
  • Dragonnade
    Dragonnade Posts: 218 Member
    "Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."

    Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy said a lot of truth. It's not nationality that results in corruption; it's the very entity of politics.


    Maybe I'm just overly cynical. I have nothing against anyone that wants the best for any country they wish to serve; I've just never seen those attributes in a politician.
  • sarahsmom1
    sarahsmom1 Posts: 1,501 Member
    I agree with you no it should not be repealed and yes they should have military experience.
  • Pebble321
    Pebble321 Posts: 6,423 Member
    I'm not from the US, so I'm not going to give my opinion on this topic - but I am going to tell you about the Prime Minister of Australia (we have a different system and don't have a president).
    She is female, was born in Wales (UK), moved here at age 5, has red hair, lives with her long time male parter (ie. is not married) and has no children.
    While a lot of people don't like her as a leader, I don't think she is any less able to lead the country than the regular male, married-with-children, grey-haired previous batch. She certainly has a real Aussie accent.
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    I think the president should be born an American.
    President Obama was born an American, but he is a great example of why we need this clause for one simple reason.
    He does not LOVE the United States. Don't tell me he does, he doesn't, and people not born here would be less likeley(but not incapable, Arnold S. is one example) of loving this country.

    Funny, the Secretary of State of Arizona isn't convinced he was born here. We're currently waiting for word back from Hawaii that they have official documentation on file (and a copy). If they do not provide that proof, he won't be allowed on the ballot in Arizona.

    *shrug*

    By the way, that whole subject wasn't my 'fear' when I opened this thread, and to be honest, I'm slightly disappointed it had very little to do with it.
  • Bahet
    Bahet Posts: 1,254 Member
    Let's face it, the President of the United States will ALWAYS be someone with money. I don't think any President will come from a background that doesn't involve money.
    That's why the average American is always just going to be average. People with money don't really want them to succeed in politics. It doesn't matter if they are republican or democrat.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal Trainer/Group Fitness Instructor
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 28+ years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    Obama and Clinton were both from poor backgrounds.
  • LiddyBit
    LiddyBit Posts: 447 Member
    No.

    Why? Because Arnold Schwarzenegger would be eligible (:noway:)?

    This ^^^^^^^

    Who knew Demolition Man was a possible glimpse into the future!
  • Bahet
    Bahet Posts: 1,254 Member
    I think the president should be born an American.
    President Obama was born an American, but he is a great example of why we need this clause for one simple reason.
    He does not LOVE the United States. Don't tell me he does, he doesn't, and people not born here would be less likeley(but not incapable, Arnold S. is one example) of loving this country.
    Well, since you are closed minded but without giving any real reason I won't bother to argue that. However, I will say that Romney may well love America but he doesn't like Americans. Not ones who aren't multi millionaires anyhow. As proof, just look to his actions. He doesn't relate to them, he takes their jobs to give more money to the mulitmillionaires to hoard, he wants to cut their assistance (not just welfare), and raise their taxes to pay for tax cuts for millionaires so he and his fellow money hoarders can pay a lower percentage than teachers.

    (Now it will be locked for sure but I just had to state that.)
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    I think the president should be born an American.
    President Obama was born an American, but he is a great example of why we need this clause for one simple reason.
    He does not LOVE the United States. Don't tell me he does, he doesn't, and people not born here would be less likeley(but not incapable, Arnold S. is one example) of loving this country.
    Well, since you are closed minded but without giving any real reason I won't bother to argue that. However, I will say that Romney may well love America but he doesn't like Americans. Not ones who aren't multi millionaires anyhow. As proof, just look to his actions. He doesn't relate to them, he takes their jobs to give more money to the mulitmillionaires to hoard, he wants to cut their assistance (not just welfare), and raise their taxes to pay for tax cuts for millionaires so he and his fellow money hoarders can pay a lower percentage than teachers.

    (Now it will be locked for sure but I just had to state that.)

    And Obama is better how?
  • tialeanne
    tialeanne Posts: 186 Member
    Oh thank God. I thought this was going to be an "Obama is a sekrit soshalist mooslim kenyata" thread.

    **Edited for typos, to add more of them!
  • seventwenty
    seventwenty Posts: 565 Member
    Let's face it, the President of the United States will ALWAYS be someone with money. I don't think any President will come from a background that doesn't involve money.
    That's why the average American is always just going to be average. People with money don't really want them to succeed in politics. It doesn't matter if they are republican or democrat.

    Always someone with money? As in, came from money? Okay, explain Clinton, Obama, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, LBJ, Eisenhower and on and on and on...
  • rextcat
    rextcat Posts: 1,408 Member
    Oh thank God. I thought this was going to be an "Obama is a sekrit soshalist mooslim kenyata" thread.

    **Edited for typos, to add more of them!

    yah fergut sadamite loover...lol
    to funny
  • Bahet
    Bahet Posts: 1,254 Member
    I think the president should be born an American.
    President Obama was born an American, but he is a great example of why we need this clause for one simple reason.
    He does not LOVE the United States. Don't tell me he does, he doesn't, and people not born here would be less likeley(but not incapable, Arnold S. is one example) of loving this country.
    Well, since you are closed minded but without giving any real reason I won't bother to argue that. However, I will say that Romney may well love America but he doesn't like Americans. Not ones who aren't multi millionaires anyhow. As proof, just look to his actions. He doesn't relate to them, he takes their jobs to give more money to the mulitmillionaires to hoard, he wants to cut their assistance (not just welfare), and raise their taxes to pay for tax cuts for millionaires so he and his fellow money hoarders can pay a lower percentage than teachers.

    (Now it will be locked for sure but I just had to state that.)

    And Obama is better how?
    Women can no longer be charged more for health insurance than equally healthy men. Kids can be on their parent's insurance until they are 26. You cannot be denied insurance for pre-existing conditions. You cannot be dropped just because you got sick. He lowered taxes for everyone, especially the middle class. 1st time home buyers (or those who bought after owning for 5 years) received a tax credit of up to $8000. Energy saving home improvements get a tax credit. More jobs were created in 2010 alone tan in the entire 8 years Bush was in office. His stimulus plan (that Romney was against) saved GM and 1.4 million jobs. He signed the CARD Act to protect consumers from deceptive credit card practices. He saved at least 300,000 teacher and educater jobs through the American Recovery Act. He ordered 65 executives of large corporations who took bail out money to cut their own pay until the money was paid back. He made a deal with Swiss banks so the government could have access to see who is using them for tax evasion (Romney). He got the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act to close loopholes that allowed tax avoidance for offshore accounts (Romney again). He pushed through Frank-Dodd. He got our troops out of Iraq. He ended the media blackout Bush imposed on the return of fallen soldiers. He ended the stop-loss program that forced the troops to stay even after they were supposed to be back home. He cut prescription drugs for seniors by 50%. He cracked down on companies who were exploiting workers (denying sick pay, insurance, medicare payments, etc) by calling them "independent contractors" instead of employees. He increased the duration of unemployment benefits several times. He cut taxes for working families on average to the lowest they've been since 1950. Oh, yea, and he gave the order to allow the SEALs to get Osama Bin Laden.

    Those are just a few. There are plenty more.
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    I think the president should be born an American.
    President Obama was born an American, but he is a great example of why we need this clause for one simple reason.
    He does not LOVE the United States. Don't tell me he does, he doesn't, and people not born here would be less likeley(but not incapable, Arnold S. is one example) of loving this country.
    Well, since you are closed minded but without giving any real reason I won't bother to argue that. However, I will say that Romney may well love America but he doesn't like Americans. Not ones who aren't multi millionaires anyhow. As proof, just look to his actions. He doesn't relate to them, he takes their jobs to give more money to the mulitmillionaires to hoard, he wants to cut their assistance (not just welfare), and raise their taxes to pay for tax cuts for millionaires so he and his fellow money hoarders can pay a lower percentage than teachers.

    (Now it will be locked for sure but I just had to state that.)

    And Obama is better how?
    Women can no longer be charged more for health insurance than equally healthy men. Kids can be on their parent's insurance until they are 26. You cannot be denied insurance for pre-existing conditions. You cannot be dropped just because you got sick. He lowered taxes for everyone, especially the middle class. 1st time home buyers (or those who bought after owning for 5 years) received a tax credit of up to $8000. Energy saving home improvements get a tax credit. More jobs were created in 2010 alone tan in the entire 8 years Bush was in office. His stimulus plan (that Romney was against) saved GM and 1.4 million jobs. He signed the CARD Act to protect consumers from deceptive credit card practices. He saved at least 300,000 teacher and educater jobs through the American Recovery Act. He ordered 65 executives of large corporations who took bail out money to cut their own pay until the money was paid back. He made a deal with Swiss banks so the government could have access to see who is using them for tax evasion (Romney). He got the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act to close loopholes that allowed tax avoidance for offshore accounts (Romney again). He pushed through Frank-Dodd. He got our troops out of Iraq. He ended the media blackout Bush imposed on the return of fallen soldiers. He ended the stop-loss program that forced the troops to stay even after they were supposed to be back home. He cut prescription drugs for seniors by 50%. He cracked down on companies who were exploiting workers (denying sick pay, insurance, medicare payments, etc) by calling them "independent contractors" instead of employees. He increased the duration of unemployment benefits several times. He cut taxes for working families on average to the lowest they've been since 1950. Oh, yea, and he gave the order to allow the SEALs to get Osama Bin Laden.

    Those are just a few. There are plenty more.

    You know...all there is to say to a reply like this on a message board forum, is:

    LOL!!

    Seriously, anything said in reply to you will go in one ear and right out the other, or worse, result in another diatribe of things that Obama has taken credit for, and/or negative things he's done, couched in pretty words to make them sound desirable.

    Bravo for you my friend, you win.

    Personally, I'm praying that Hawaii doesn't have proof...at which point it'll be a non issue in my state, which will likely carry over into many others.

    Problem solved.
  • Bahet
    Bahet Posts: 1,254 Member
    I think the president should be born an American.
    President Obama was born an American, but he is a great example of why we need this clause for one simple reason.
    He does not LOVE the United States. Don't tell me he does, he doesn't, and people not born here would be less likeley(but not incapable, Arnold S. is one example) of loving this country.
    Well, since you are closed minded but without giving any real reason I won't bother to argue that. However, I will say that Romney may well love America but he doesn't like Americans. Not ones who aren't multi millionaires anyhow. As proof, just look to his actions. He doesn't relate to them, he takes their jobs to give more money to the mulitmillionaires to hoard, he wants to cut their assistance (not just welfare), and raise their taxes to pay for tax cuts for millionaires so he and his fellow money hoarders can pay a lower percentage than teachers.

    (Now it will be locked for sure but I just had to state that.)

    And Obama is better how?
    Women can no longer be charged more for health insurance than equally healthy men. Kids can be on their parent's insurance until they are 26. You cannot be denied insurance for pre-existing conditions. You cannot be dropped just because you got sick. He lowered taxes for everyone, especially the middle class. 1st time home buyers (or those who bought after owning for 5 years) received a tax credit of up to $8000. Energy saving home improvements get a tax credit. More jobs were created in 2010 alone tan in the entire 8 years Bush was in office. His stimulus plan (that Romney was against) saved GM and 1.4 million jobs. He signed the CARD Act to protect consumers from deceptive credit card practices. He saved at least 300,000 teacher and educater jobs through the American Recovery Act. He ordered 65 executives of large corporations who took bail out money to cut their own pay until the money was paid back. He made a deal with Swiss banks so the government could have access to see who is using them for tax evasion (Romney). He got the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act to close loopholes that allowed tax avoidance for offshore accounts (Romney again). He pushed through Frank-Dodd. He got our troops out of Iraq. He ended the media blackout Bush imposed on the return of fallen soldiers. He ended the stop-loss program that forced the troops to stay even after they were supposed to be back home. He cut prescription drugs for seniors by 50%. He cracked down on companies who were exploiting workers (denying sick pay, insurance, medicare payments, etc) by calling them "independent contractors" instead of employees. He increased the duration of unemployment benefits several times. He cut taxes for working families on average to the lowest they've been since 1950. Oh, yea, and he gave the order to allow the SEALs to get Osama Bin Laden.

    Those are just a few. There are plenty more.

    You know...all there is to say to a reply like this on a message board forum, is:

    LOL!!

    Seriously, anything said in reply to you will go in one ear and right out the other, or worse, result in another diatribe of things that Obama has taken credit for, and/or negative things he's done, couched in pretty words to make them sound desirable.

    Bravo for you my friend, you win.

    Personally, I'm praying that Hawaii doesn't have proof...at which point it'll be a non issue in my state, which will likely carry over into many others.

    Problem solved.
    So basically, you gave no reason at all why Romney is better, showed nothing Obama has done wrong, but instead asked me what he's done rigt then insulted me and dismissed my evidence while trying to say that I'm the one not willing to listen to facts. Yea, sure. OK then pray tell what has he done so wrong and what do you think Romney will do better?

    Or are you really a birther idiot? The evidence has already been shown and AZ is not going to be able to keep him off the ballot no matter how many of your fellow conspiracy theorists mouth breathe all over it.

    Your profile says you are a father of 3. Do you want your kids to have insurance when they are 20? If one of them (God forbid) gets diabetes do you want thm to be denied insurance when they are older and out on their own because it's a pre-existing condition? Do you want them to pay more for their student loans? Do you want them to get a decent education or do you like schools that teach a test? Do you want them to hve the opportunity and liklihood of doing better than you or do you like the idea that the next generation is probably going to be worse off than us?

    I'm a mom. I have 2 boys. My youngest had pneumonia when he was 1 and now has "reactive airways" meaning he needs an inhaler when he gets sick as he has trouble breathing. I absolutely refused to let any doctor write down the word "asthma" on anything. If they had and my husband changed jobs he would no longer be covered. Obama changed that. Romney will change it back. He'd rather the insurance giants make more profits than to make sure that a sick baby can get medicine. Ironic how the GOP claims to be pro life but once that life is born they really don't give a **** anymore.
  • focus4fitness
    focus4fitness Posts: 551 Member
    I think the president should be born an American.
    President Obama was born an American, but he is a great example of why we need this clause for one simple reason.
    He does not LOVE the United States. Don't tell me he does, he doesn't, and people not born here would be less likeley(but not incapable, Arnold S. is one example) of loving this country.
    Well, since you are closed minded but without giving any real reason I won't bother to argue that. However, I will say that Romney may well love America but he doesn't like Americans. Not ones who aren't multi millionaires anyhow. As proof, just look to his actions. He doesn't relate to them, he takes their jobs to give more money to the mulitmillionaires to hoard, he wants to cut their assistance (not just welfare), and raise their taxes to pay for tax cuts for millionaires so he and his fellow money hoarders can pay a lower percentage than teachers.

    (Now it will be locked for sure but I just had to state that.)

    And Obama is better how?
    Women can no longer be charged more for health insurance than equally healthy men. Kids can be on their parent's insurance until they are 26. You cannot be denied insurance for pre-existing conditions. You cannot be dropped just because you got sick. He lowered taxes for everyone, especially the middle class. 1st time home buyers (or those who bought after owning for 5 years) received a tax credit of up to $8000. Energy saving home improvements get a tax credit. More jobs were created in 2010 alone tan in the entire 8 years Bush was in office. His stimulus plan (that Romney was against) saved GM and 1.4 million jobs. He signed the CARD Act to protect consumers from deceptive credit card practices. He saved at least 300,000 teacher and educater jobs through the American Recovery Act. He ordered 65 executives of large corporations who took bail out money to cut their own pay until the money was paid back. He made a deal with Swiss banks so the government could have access to see who is using them for tax evasion (Romney). He got the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act to close loopholes that allowed tax avoidance for offshore accounts (Romney again). He pushed through Frank-Dodd. He got our troops out of Iraq. He ended the media blackout Bush imposed on the return of fallen soldiers. He ended the stop-loss program that forced the troops to stay even after they were supposed to be back home. He cut prescription drugs for seniors by 50%. He cracked down on companies who were exploiting workers (denying sick pay, insurance, medicare payments, etc) by calling them "independent contractors" instead of employees. He increased the duration of unemployment benefits several times. He cut taxes for working families on average to the lowest they've been since 1950. Oh, yea, and he gave the order to allow the SEALs to get Osama Bin Laden.

    Those are just a few. There are plenty more.

    You know...all there is to say to a reply like this on a message board forum, is:

    LOL!!

    Seriously, anything said in reply to you will go in one ear and right out the other, or worse, result in another diatribe of things that Obama has taken credit for, and/or negative things he's done, couched in pretty words to make them sound desirable.

    Bravo for you my friend, you win.

    Personally, I'm praying that Hawaii doesn't have proof...at which point it'll be a non issue in my state, which will likely carry over into many others.

    Problem solved.
    So basically, you gave no reason at all why Romney is better, showed nothing Obama has done wrong, but instead asked me what he's done rigt then insulted me and dismissed my evidence while trying to say that I'm the one not willing to listen to facts. Yea, sure. OK then pray tell what has he done so wrong and what do you think Romney will do better?

    Or are you really a birther idiot? The evidence has already been shown and AZ is not going to be able to keep him off the ballot no matter how many of your fellow conspiracy theorists mouth breathe all over it.

    Your profile says you are a father of 3. Do you want your kids to have insurance when they are 20? If one of them (God forbid) gets diabetes do you want thm to be denied insurance when they are older and out on their own because it's a pre-existing condition? Do you want them to pay more for their student loans? Do you want them to get a decent education or do you like schools that teach a test? Do you want them to hve the opportunity and liklihood of doing better than you or do you like the idea that the next generation is probably going to be worse off than us?

    I'm a mom. I have 2 boys. My youngest had pneumonia when he was 1 and now has "reactive airways" meaning he needs an inhaler when he gets sick as he has trouble breathing. I absolutely refused to let any doctor write down the word "asthma" on anything. If they had and my husband changed jobs he would no longer be covered. Obama changed that. Romney will change it back. He'd rather the insurance giants make more profits than to make sure that a sick baby can get medicine. Ironic how the GOP claims to be pro life but once that life is born they really don't give a **** anymore.
    *high five*
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    I think the president should be born an American.
    President Obama was born an American, but he is a great example of why we need this clause for one simple reason.
    He does not LOVE the United States. Don't tell me he does, he doesn't, and people not born here would be less likeley(but not incapable, Arnold S. is one example) of loving this country.
    Well, since you are closed minded but without giving any real reason I won't bother to argue that. However, I will say that Romney may well love America but he doesn't like Americans. Not ones who aren't multi millionaires anyhow. As proof, just look to his actions. He doesn't relate to them, he takes their jobs to give more money to the mulitmillionaires to hoard, he wants to cut their assistance (not just welfare), and raise their taxes to pay for tax cuts for millionaires so he and his fellow money hoarders can pay a lower percentage than teachers.

    (Now it will be locked for sure but I just had to state that.)

    And Obama is better how?
    Women can no longer be charged more for health insurance than equally healthy men. Kids can be on their parent's insurance until they are 26. You cannot be denied insurance for pre-existing conditions. You cannot be dropped just because you got sick. He lowered taxes for everyone, especially the middle class. 1st time home buyers (or those who bought after owning for 5 years) received a tax credit of up to $8000. Energy saving home improvements get a tax credit. More jobs were created in 2010 alone tan in the entire 8 years Bush was in office. His stimulus plan (that Romney was against) saved GM and 1.4 million jobs. He signed the CARD Act to protect consumers from deceptive credit card practices. He saved at least 300,000 teacher and educater jobs through the American Recovery Act. He ordered 65 executives of large corporations who took bail out money to cut their own pay until the money was paid back. He made a deal with Swiss banks so the government could have access to see who is using them for tax evasion (Romney). He got the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act to close loopholes that allowed tax avoidance for offshore accounts (Romney again). He pushed through Frank-Dodd. He got our troops out of Iraq. He ended the media blackout Bush imposed on the return of fallen soldiers. He ended the stop-loss program that forced the troops to stay even after they were supposed to be back home. He cut prescription drugs for seniors by 50%. He cracked down on companies who were exploiting workers (denying sick pay, insurance, medicare payments, etc) by calling them "independent contractors" instead of employees. He increased the duration of unemployment benefits several times. He cut taxes for working families on average to the lowest they've been since 1950. Oh, yea, and he gave the order to allow the SEALs to get Osama Bin Laden.

    Those are just a few. There are plenty more.

    You know...all there is to say to a reply like this on a message board forum, is:

    LOL!!

    Seriously, anything said in reply to you will go in one ear and right out the other, or worse, result in another diatribe of things that Obama has taken credit for, and/or negative things he's done, couched in pretty words to make them sound desirable.

    Bravo for you my friend, you win.

    Personally, I'm praying that Hawaii doesn't have proof...at which point it'll be a non issue in my state, which will likely carry over into many others.

    Problem solved.
    So basically, you gave no reason at all why Romney is better, showed nothing Obama has done wrong, but instead asked me what he's done rigt then insulted me and dismissed my evidence while trying to say that I'm the one not willing to listen to facts. Yea, sure. OK then pray tell what has he done so wrong and what do you think Romney will do better?

    Or are you really a birther idiot? The evidence has already been shown and AZ is not going to be able to keep him off the ballot no matter how many of your fellow conspiracy theorists mouth breathe all over it.

    Your profile says you are a father of 3. Do you want your kids to have insurance when they are 20? If one of them (God forbid) gets diabetes do you want thm to be denied insurance when they are older and out on their own because it's a pre-existing condition? Do you want them to pay more for their student loans? Do you want them to get a decent education or do you like schools that teach a test? Do you want them to hve the opportunity and liklihood of doing better than you or do you like the idea that the next generation is probably going to be worse off than us?

    I'm a mom. I have 2 boys. My youngest had pneumonia when he was 1 and now has "reactive airways" meaning he needs an inhaler when he gets sick as he has trouble breathing. I absolutely refused to let any doctor write down the word "asthma" on anything. If they had and my husband changed jobs he would no longer be covered. Obama changed that. Romney will change it back. He'd rather the insurance giants make more profits than to make sure that a sick baby can get medicine. Ironic how the GOP claims to be pro life but once that life is born they really don't give a **** anymore.

    And this was why I considered not replying at all...and exactly what I expected. Imagine if I had actually given all my reasons for wanting the man out of office.

    And very simply, the ONLY reason I would vote for Romney, is to keep Obama from gaining office again.

    See, here's the thing, you all continue to high five each other, and I'll continue to pray for a better tomorrow without this man who never should have made it into office in the first place. I'm sorry for your son (believe me, I'm fully aware of how health issues impact families...you know NOTHING of my life with my children), but the fact that you expect a private corporation to bow down to your specific needs, and if they won't do so you expect the government to force them to...says everything that needs to be said.

    And for the record, if that man makes it back into office again, I will be TERRIFIED for the future of all of our children, yours included.
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    And also...I want you to go back through your OWN list, and do some freaking research instead of watching NBC and CBS and swallowing their propaganda wholesale.

    A good number of the things you've credited to Obama...were already in process under the Bush administration, and some, under the CLINTON administration. I know full well you won't believe me, and to be honest, I really couldn't give a damn less. I've done the research myself.

    But as I said, you guys keep up your high fives...and if he wins, you all can continue doing so while I try to find a country where my children at least will have a chance to live out their life spans in peace before the inevetable consequences of his policies fully take effect.
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