chocolate covered zombie elves (questions only)
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Does anybody realize that Timothy McVeigh killed people in Oklahoma City with fertilizer? Should we outlaw fertilizer?
GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM....BAD PEOPLE ARE!!!
Can I thank you for this about a thousand times?
In case people would still like to beat this dead horse, can you please show me where in United States history a federal ban eliminated the banned item from being bought and sold illegally in the country?
Do you recall how the market for guns boomed due to the BAN of alcohol in this country, and how unsuccessful that ban was, and how it gave rise to some of our history's most notorious criminals? Or that the attempt to rid the streets of marijuana gave birth to a low-cost alternative that is more of a plague than pot could ever be: CRACK COCAINE?
Why is it that no one wants to discuss the way we treat mental illness in this country in the wake of this tragedy? Is it because that doesn't make for snappy sound bites, or snazzy graphics we can post on Facebook?
More to the point: Can you name me the statistics of how many children, siblings, parents, teachers, and community leaders have been killed by drunk drivers since Columbine? Do you think we need to address the problem of drunk driving better, or do you think we should all just give up our cars instead?0 -
I am glad that we all kinda feel the same as it is a very touchy subject. I agree with you Pom but my look on it is what kind of parenting did that kid have? sorry but my parents raised me to respect the lives of others and things and to not take life for granted.... i would NEVER in a million years think about taking the life of another person because i didnt know how to deal with my sadness or pain.
I think people need to parent their kids better they need to have an open line of communication and care about their kids. No more of this self entitlement crap kids needs to learn to work for things that nothing is free everything is earned....
Society is going down hill so fast because no one wants to work anymore the younger generations (mine) think everyone should give them what they want.. there is no fear for the law there is nothing.. I dont know about you but i would never lie to a police officer them pulling me over scares the crap out of me and i havnt even done anything wrong...
lol end rant.....
sorry im just losing all tolerence and patience for the scum bags that are allowed to stay in society. anywho... How is everyones day going?0 -
Can I second that Greg?
It has totally frustrated me how many people want to make this tragedy a political issue before those babies, teachers, mothers, etc are laid to rest. I will be the first to bet that drunk driving has killed more than any of the mass murders combined. AND don't get me started on GUNS not being the only weapon used to kill people.
MJ, I agree with you to a certain point dear. I agree that upbringing MAY play a part in some of the wrong doing in this world; however, the bottom line is CHOICES. What my children do after they reach the age of accountablily does not weigh on how or what I taught them; but more on what they choose to do with what I taught them. This is merely my opinion.0 -
Do you agree that what this person did goes way beyond what kind of parenting he received? Do you pity his parents, who were probably put through hell for many years, raising a person this disturbed? Shouldn't we come up with better support for families, and remove some of the stigma, so that more people can get help?0
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Do you agree that what this person did goes way beyond what kind of parenting he received? Do you pity his parents, who were probably put through hell for many years, raising a person this disturbed? Shouldn't we come up with better support for families, and remove some of the stigma, so that more people can get help?
Can I second this? Even as I am known to be about the most Conservative of my friends and beleive that every person is ultimately responsible for his/her own actions, I still beleive there is something wrong with a system when 30 years ago there was more opportunity for people to receive treatment. Now it is gone due to lack of funds0 -
I do believe I can go along with that as well.
Can I share with you guys that I am having trouble believing that he planned this all by himself? I know very little about autism, but in my mind I can not fathom, he did this alone as it was carefully planned, followed thru, and lastly, premeditated. (I hope that came out right).0 -
Can I disagree, based on knowing someone with autism who has a genius level IQ?0
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If that be the case then, shouldn't this young man be held accountable for his own actions then?
Why are we going to the government's lack of help, or his parents?0 -
Because someone can have superior intelligence and the ability to craft and execute a plan and still be mentally ill?
Also, have you read this incredible article?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-mental-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html0 -
Can I apologize that my mind just can not wrap around that concept?
I haven't seen that but I will read it.0 -
Can I say that was an interesting article and very well written?0
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And did you hear about the incident that happened in China last Friday, with the man slashing 22 schoolchildren and one 85 year old woman? Do you know that it is just one in a series of recent similiar knife attacks at schools and kindergartens there, and that it is being blamed on the medical system's inability to diagnose and care for people with mental illness?0
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Did you know that an Irishman had something to say on this about 250 years ago?0
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That is so sad, Angel.
Do you care to share Hugh?0 -
Anyone else as excited as i am to get off work in an hour? i have my dinner cooking in the slow cooker as we speak!!
I cant wait!!
Sorry to change the topic i know its all relevant but i guess im just not very sensitive to the whole "mental illness thing" (as it applies to the POS from Friday in CT)
Just because a person has a mental illness does not mean that they are unable to comprehend what is right and what is wrong... i do believe that some people with mental illness' have a some what skiewed view of that... but i (my personal opinion) dont believe that we should be allowing a monster to become human because he was suffering from a mental illness... and that sounds very unfair and im aware of that but there are millions of people with mental dissabilities..... its like we are making it ok, people are now focusing either on gun control, religion not being in schools, and mental illness at this point instead of the bare truth... on friday a monster slaughtered his mother to the point where she was unrecognizable (that my friend is a crime of passion) then went to a school to slaughter kids.. kids that had nothing to do with anything....
i guess i cant get past the kids thing... i dont think ill be able to see it from any other way other than a parents perspective0 -
In 1770 Edmund Burke wrote in 'Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents' that "when bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."Do you care to share Hugh?
This is attributed to him in paraphrase as, " "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for (a few) good men to do nothing".
It is true that guns are no more evil than the internet is evil.
Uncontrolled access to both gives opportunities that could not otherwise arise - this is not to say that other opportunities would not instead
Is it inevitable that if all swords and spears were to be beaten into ploughshares and pruning hooks then someone would contrive a way to cause mayhem with agricultural products?
We can no more un-invent gunpowder than reassemble the atom, nor get either genie back into its bottle.0 -
Can I thank you for this Hugh? Some good material to think about. I enjoy some of the points of view that you bring to the table. And I do wish that I had your way with words.0
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Did you know that Edmund Burke's political reputation has suffered in English history through his support of "Our English Brethren in The Colonies"?0
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In 1770 Edmund Burke wrote in 'Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents' that "when bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."Do you care to share Hugh?
This is attributed to him in paraphrase as, " "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for (a few) good men to do nothing".
It is true that guns are no more evil than the internet is evil.
Uncontrolled access to both gives opportunities that could not otherwise arise - this is not to say that other opportunities would not instead
Is it inevitable that if all swords and spears were to be beaten into ploughshares and pruning hooks then someone would contrive a way to cause mayhem with agricultural products?
We can no more un-invent gunpowder than reassemble the atom, nor get either genie back into its bottle.
i really enjoy this line
i dont think there is any better way to put it... and yes i attempted to read the entire thing in my head with an english accent. (and yes i have NO idea why an english accent when the gentleman is Irish.....maybe because i cant do an irish one... hmmmm)
This Edmund Burke fellow seems pretty interesting do you have any recommendations of things to read about him?0 -
WOW! Hugh...can I thank you for that too? I must also agree with Greg on your way with words.
MJ, I am with you girl. I've read article after article and appreciate Angel trying to help us understand. I just can't imagine why he killed those babies for nothing.
I know in times like these we want answers, we want to know why (esp the families of the deceased), but the truth is we will never know why he did what he did because he took his own life too. We can only speculate now. That being said, does the govenment need to help more with assisting the mentally ill...YES. But they can only do so much. If you remember some of our criminals down thru time didn't show signs of being mentally ill. For example, Ted Bundy was a charming, handsome, man with a bright future ahead of him. If I remember correctly, no one suspected he would do what he did.
I apologize if my thoughts are a bit jumbled!0 -
That is the same with the movie theater guy.... wasnt he on his way to getting his doctorate?
Anywho i think there has been more than enough talk about what happened... and it has created major anxiety for me... I feel very blessed to have been able to have a child and have him as healthy as he is considering all the stress of his birth and shortly after... and lately with all the bad things going on in the world i have such bad anxiety... maybe its just because he is leaving next week to go to Disney land with his dad.... for 10 days... longest i have ever been without him... lol AND he is making my anxiety so much better by asking me what would happen if he got lost in Disney Land
He needs to stop growing!! lol0 -
Can I say that I am really proud of how much good the media is bringing out? The stories about the children, and the families. Yes, unfotunately, the bad makes for good ratings....but I am loving the goodness of people and how others have joined together to help that community.
I wish I could keep my boys little too. Relish what you can, and enjoy each moment as he grows.0 -
can i go home now?0
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doesn't that sound like a plan?
Is everyone else at home?0 -
MJ, did you ease your son's anxiety by explaining what he should do if he gets seperated from his father in Disneyland?0
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we did discuss it yes. Luckily my roomate is a police officer so he knows what a police officers uniform looks like and security is fairly similar so he knows that is who he is to go look for.
Im going to try to find a picture of the building he would be taken too and a picture of security. he is going with his dads entire family so there is lots of people to keep an eye on him and he isnt one to wander off... however his grandma is a lot like me and terrified that something could happen to him and keeps a very tight grip on him (figuratively as well as literally)
There isnt much to cure my anxiety though... thinking about him being gone for that long makes me tear up...
i have never been to disneyland... i went to Europa park back in the day before we moved to Canada.
would you believe that i have almost run out of questions? or that my brain just isnt functioning properly?0 -
Did you know I got to go to Disneyland as a kid, thanks to my grandmother? We drove all the way from KY to CA, with a family visit in AR. We had a really good time. I want to take my boys to Disneyworld someday. Brandon has family in FL so it is more likely we would go there than to CA.
It sounds like your son will be in good hands. No need to fret MJ!0 -
You know, if he doesn't see security or an officer, he could also tell any of the Disney Characters that are walking around?
My Throwback Thursday photo from last week was me with Robin Hood at Disney World in Florida... did you see it?0 -
You know, if he doesn't see security or an officer, he could also tell any of the Disney Characters that are walking around?
My Throwback Thursday photo from last week was me with Robin Hood at Disney World in Florida... did you see it?
Can I say there was more than one fox in that picture?0 -
Can I say there was more than one fox in that picture?
Awww, how do you always know the right thing to say?0
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