Carbs????
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Guess Sisson didn't mention Paleo man is estimated to have eaten 300g of carbs daily?
Eaton et al. Paleolithic nutrition revisited: A twelve-year retrospective on its nature and implications. European Journal of Clinical Nutrition (1997) 51, 207±216
http://www.direct-ms.org/pdf/EvolutionPaleolithic/Eaton Paleo Nutri Review EJCN.pdf
Maybe in the form of fruits, I could see that happening. But where would Grok have gotten grains from? All of those were inaccessible to him.0 -
Guess Sisson didn't mention Paleo man is estimated to have eaten 300g of carbs daily?
Eaton et al. Paleolithic nutrition revisited: A twelve-year retrospective on its nature and implications. European Journal of Clinical Nutrition (1997) 51, 207±216
http://www.direct-ms.org/pdf/EvolutionPaleolithic/Eaton Paleo Nutri Review EJCN.pdf
Maybe in the form of fruits, I could see that happening. But where would Grok have gotten grains from? All of those were inaccessible to him.
Whoops wrong again
The broad spectrum revisited: Evidence from plant remains. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2004 June 29; 101(26): 9551–9555.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC470712/?tool=pubmed0 -
If you plan to follow a paleo/primal diet, 50-100g carbs/day is the recommended area for 'effortless' weight loss.
I'm maintaining nicely while consuming quantities that Sisson claims will cause "insidious weight gain". So much for that silly chart.I recommend ditching the grains. Our bodies are virtually identical to our ancestors of 10k years ago, yet we eat and exercise completely differently.
Evolution didn't come to a screeching halt 10,000 years ago. We have continued to evolve (as did our gut flora - which plays a huge role in our digestive system).Humans are not supposed to be ingesting 200g+ per day. People may be able to not get fat by exercising and not overeating, but the repeated blood sugar, and consequently insulin spikes, over the years can wear your body out and you can still easily develop a myriad of dietary-related afflictions, such as diabetes or insulin resistance.
ONOEZ Insulun spikes!! Got any evidence to back up this nonsensical claim? Diabetes (T2) and IR are related to obesity, not carb intake.
MYTH:A High Carbohydrate Diet Leads to Chronically High Insulin Levels
FACT:Insulin Is Only Elevated During the Time After a Meal In Healthy Individuals
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
MYTH: Insulin Spikes are “Bad”
FACT: Insulin Spikes Serve a Normal & Important Physiological Function
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I don't count my carbs just calories and watch the fat. I am losing pretty good, I eat pretty good and always make sure I exercise and drink plenty of water.0
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You cite one article, which its research was probably funded by some biased agriculture agency, and expect me to take it as truth? lol.. There are just as many low carb advocates and articles that refute what you say as well.Evolution didn't come to a screeching halt 10,000 years ago. We have continued to evolve (as did our gut flora - which plays a huge role in our digestive system).
The human body has largely not evolved.ONOEZ Insulun spikes!! Got any evidence to back up this nonsensical claim? Diabetes (T2) and IR are related to obesity, not carb intake.
MYTH:A High Carbohydrate Diet Leads to Chronically High Insulin Levels
FACT:Insulin Is Only Elevated During the Time After a Meal In Healthy Individuals
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
MYTH: Insulin Spikes are “Bad”
FACT: Insulin Spikes Serve a Normal & Important Physiological Function
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=459
Oh, so spiking your insulin repeatedly for years and years on end is perfectly healthy? Meanwhile, for the first time in human history 1 in 3 children are predicted to wind up with diabetes. You think that's solely from eating candy and drinking sodas?0 -
Acg67 is an anti low-carb troll. From what I can tell, he has an alert set up when anyone posts anything about carbs.
I'd love for you to find a post to illustrate my anti low carb stance/low carb trolling
cute! trolling is not a single post. any time a carb is mentioned, you are there.0 -
You cite one article, which its research was probably funded by some biased agriculture agency, and expect me to take it as truth? lol.. There are just as many low carb advocates and articles that refute what you say as well.
Read the study and see what it is about
"We acknowledge the financial assistance of the American School of Prehistoric Research (Peabody Museum), Harvard University. E.W. is a MacCurdy Post-Doctoral Fellow."0 -
Acg67 is an anti low-carb troll. From what I can tell, he has an alert set up when anyone posts anything about carbs.
I'd love for you to find a post to illustrate my anti low carb stance/low carb trolling
cute! trolling is not a single post. any time a carb is mentioned, you are there.
Easy to find the most herpy derpy posts in carb threads0 -
You cite one article, which its research was probably funded by some biased agriculture agency, and expect me to take it as truth? lol.. There are just as many low carb advocates and articles that refute what you say as well.Evolution didn't come to a screeching halt 10,000 years ago. We have continued to evolve (as did our gut flora - which plays a huge role in our digestive system).
The human body has largely not evolved.
If evolution did not come to a screeching halt, I would not have gone through wisdom teeth extraction hell that literally almost killed me.
you know what did happen 10,000 years ago? agriculture, starch, and sugar.0 -
You cite one article, which its research was probably funded by some biased agriculture agency, and expect me to take it as truth? lol.. There are just as many low carb advocates and articles that refute what you say as well.Evolution didn't come to a screeching halt 10,000 years ago. We have continued to evolve (as did our gut flora - which plays a huge role in our digestive system).
The human body has largely not evolved.
Then kindly explain why the vast majority of people of European descent are NOT lactose intolerant, while the majority of people of Asian and African descent are.
Nope, no evolution going on there.0 -
Acg67 is an anti low-carb troll. From what I can tell, he has an alert set up when anyone posts anything about carbs.
I'd love for you to find a post to illustrate my anti low carb stance/low carb trolling
cute! trolling is not a single post. any time a carb is mentioned, you are there.
Easy to find the most herpy derpy posts in carb threads
I don't know what herpy derpy is, but I hope it involves lizards.
and you are still always there. 0 -
Acg67 is an anti low-carb troll. From what I can tell, he has an alert set up when anyone posts anything about carbs.
I'd love for you to find a post to illustrate my anti low carb stance/low carb trolling
cute! trolling is not a single post. any time a carb is mentioned, you are there.
Easy to find the most herpy derpy posts in carb threads
Congrats, you arm yourself with articles just to argue with people on the internet. Personally, I don't have anything saved in bookmarks nor anything I can whip out at the drop of a hat, but I've read plenty and have watched plenty of documentaries. Just because I have no links to post doesn't mean I'm an idiot. Laziness would be more of an appropriate accusation since I'm too lazy to Google stuff to argue with someone on the internet.0 -
You cite one article, which its research was probably funded by some biased agriculture agency, and expect me to take it as truth? lol.. There are just as many low carb advocates and articles that refute what you say as well.Evolution didn't come to a screeching halt 10,000 years ago. We have continued to evolve (as did our gut flora - which plays a huge role in our digestive system).
The human body has largely not evolved.
Then kindly explain why the vast majority of people of European descent are NOT lactose intolerant, while the majority of people of Asian and African descent are.
Nope, no evolution going on there.
evolution is a tricky thing. You can't look at a single trait and come to conclusions. Seriously.
ps, I taught evolutionary bio for several years at an Ivy League college.
ps2. I am whitey white white white, and I am 100% lactose intolerant.0 -
You cite one article, which its research was probably funded by some biased agriculture agency, and expect me to take it as truth? lol.. There are just as many low carb advocates and articles that refute what you say as well.Evolution didn't come to a screeching halt 10,000 years ago. We have continued to evolve (as did our gut flora - which plays a huge role in our digestive system).
The human body has largely not evolved.
If evolution did not come to a screeching halt, I would not have gone through wisdom teeth extraction hell that literally almost killed me.
Got me there. Cause wisdom teeth are such a killer to the vast majority of the population, preventing them from reproducing.
Do you even understand how evolutionary pressure works?you know what did happen 10,000 years ago? agriculture, starch, and sugar.
And domestic animals, and technology, etc.0 -
The human body has largely not evolved.
So if you're going to eat like our ancestors, do you also go without electricity, indoor plumbing, and vaccinations? We evolved mentally and physically after agriculture became part of who we are. Any sort of "diet", pretty much anything with a name, other than just eating, is ridiculous, unless you have a medical condition that warrants it.0 -
You cite one article, which its research was probably funded by some biased agriculture agency, and expect me to take it as truth? lol.. There are just as many low carb advocates and articles that refute what you say as well.Evolution didn't come to a screeching halt 10,000 years ago. We have continued to evolve (as did our gut flora - which plays a huge role in our digestive system).
The human body has largely not evolved.
Then kindly explain why the vast majority of people of European descent are NOT lactose intolerant, while the majority of people of Asian and African descent are.
Nope, no evolution going on there.
evolution is a tricky thing. You can't look at a single trait and come to conclusions. Seriously.
ps, I taught evolutionary bio for several years at an Ivy League college.
ps2. I am whitey white white white, and I am 100% lactose intolerant.
If you had the slightest understanding of science at all, you would know that n=1 analogies are meaningless. Hence I suspect you're lying about teaching evolutionary biology (your wisdom tooth statement supports my beliefs as well).0 -
The human body has largely not evolved.
So if you're going to eat like our ancestors, do you also go without electricity, indoor plumbing, and vaccinations? We evolved mentally and physically after agriculture became part of who we are. Any sort of "diet", pretty much anything with a name, other than just eating, is ridiculous, unless you have a medical condition that warrants it.
Of course not, it's about adapting that eating and exercise style in a modern society.
We evolved technologically, but the human body largely has not evolved. We learned how to use our brains more and more, but our body has not changed.. except with the outward expanding waistline.0 -
As I see it... If it works for you... eat all the bananas, potatoes, rice and beans that you want. Im glad that its working for you.
As someone that has been struggling to loose weight with a diet high in carbs and suddenly is enjoying quite nicely how I loose weight and feeling better without grains.... YOUR recipe is not for me.0 -
Acg67 is an anti low-carb troll. From what I can tell, he has an alert set up when anyone posts anything about carbs.
I'd love for you to find a post to illustrate my anti low carb stance/low carb trolling
cute! trolling is not a single post. any time a carb is mentioned, you are there.
Easy to find the most herpy derpy posts in carb threads
Congrats, you arm yourself with articles just to argue with people on the internet. Personally, I don't have anything saved in bookmarks nor anything I can whip out at the drop of a hat, but I've read plenty and have watched plenty of documentaries. Just because I have no links to post doesn't mean I'm an idiot. Laziness would be more of an appropriate accusation since I'm too lazy to Google stuff to argue with someone on the internet.
What fairy tales have you been reading and watching to lead you to spout such nonsense as you have been?0 -
If evolution did not come to a screeching halt, I would not have gone through wisdom teeth extraction hell that literally almost killed me.
Got me there. Cause wisdom teeth are such a killer to the vast majority of the population, preventing them from reproducing.
Do you even understand how evolutionary pressure works?
LOL!!! of course I do. I taught evolutionary bio. and I almost died from an abscess when I was 20. I chose not to have children., but I assure you that dying at age 20 would have stopped me regardless.0 -
what I really dont understand is why carbs cause such an uproar. If you dont want to go low carb, then dont. And Mark;s daily apple is not the only guy who advocates low carb.
All I know is when I cut way back on grains (not all carbs) I feel and perform better. N-1 and all that...who cares? what the heck is the big deal?0 -
Ideally you should obtain 75% of your calories from carbohydrates with one HUGE caveat: make sure those carbs are high-quality, nutrient dense carbs from un-refined, plant-based sources. So fresh fruits, vegetables, legumes, and nuts, and a small amount of whole grains. Don't eat foods that are predominantly calories from refined sugar, wheat, rice, or corn. Refined is the key word there. The closer the food is to the way it is found in nature the better. Think corn on the cob vs high fructose corn syrup.
That percentage shouldn't change whether you are trying to lose weight or not. That is just the normal human amount. However, if you are trying to gain muscle for bodybuilding purposes, you can carve out another 4-8% as protein.0 -
The human body has largely not evolved.
So if you're going to eat like our ancestors, do you also go without electricity, indoor plumbing, and vaccinations? We evolved mentally and physically after agriculture became part of who we are. Any sort of "diet", pretty much anything with a name, other than just eating, is ridiculous, unless you have a medical condition that warrants it.
Of course not, it's about adapting that eating and exercise style in a modern society.
We evolved technologically, but the human body largely has not evolved. We learned how to use our brains more and more, but our body has not changed.. except with the outward expanding waistline.
Society is fat, not people. 50 years ago obesity wasn't an epidemic and they were eating carbs galore. Laziness = weight gain, not evil carbs. People need to get off their butts and be active, not blame food and everything else for their bodies.0 -
what I really dont understand is why carbs cause such an uproar. If you dont want to go low carb, then dont. And Mark;s daily apple is not the only guy who advocates low carb.
All I know is when I cut way back on grains (not all carbs) I feel and perform better. N-1 and all that...who cares? what the heck is the big deal?
THIS!!! for some people, based on health conditions, going low carb makes all the difference.
For other people it does not matter.
And that's OK.0 -
Ideally you should obtain 75% of your calories from carbohydrates with one HUGE caveat: make sure those carbs are high-quality, nutrient dense carbs from un-refined, plant-based sources. So fresh fruits, vegetables, legumes, and nuts, and a small amount of whole grains. Don't eat foods that are predominantly calories from refined sugar, wheat, rice, or corn. Refined is the key word there. The closer the food is to the way it is found in nature the better. Think corn on the cob vs high fructose corn syrup.
That percentage shouldn't change whether you are trying to lose weight or not. That is just the normal human amount. However, if you are trying to gain muscle for bodybuilding purposes, you can carve out another 4-8% as protein.
75% of calories should be from carbs? good lord0 -
If evolution did not come to a screeching halt, I would not have gone through wisdom teeth extraction hell that literally almost killed me.
Got me there. Cause wisdom teeth are such a killer to the vast majority of the population, preventing them from reproducing.
Do you even understand how evolutionary pressure works?
LOL!!! of course I do. I taught evolutionary bio. and I almost died from an abscess when I was 20. I chose not to have children., but I assure you that dying at age 20 would have stopped me regardless.
Oh I see, so if evolution was still happening, nobody would ever die of natural causes at a young age.
PS: If you're going to lie about your credentials, you should at least put them in your profile.I work as a defense analyst to pay my rent, but my true passion is oil painting
So you got your Ph.d, taught at an "Ivy League" school for what, a year? Then changed careers?
Sure you did.0 -
You cite one article, which its research was probably funded by some biased agriculture agency, and expect me to take it as truth? lol.. There are just as many low carb advocates and articles that refute what you say as well.
The least you could have done would be to read the article. It's pretty clear you've already made up your mind though.
Good luck with your goals.0 -
Got me there. Cause wisdom teeth are such a killer to the vast majority of the population, preventing them from reproducing.
Do you even understand how evolutionary pressure works?
LOL!!! of course I do. I taught evolutionary bio. and I almost died from an abscess when I was 20. I chose not to have children., but I assure you that dying at age 20 would have stopped me regardless.
Oh I see, so if evolution was still happening, nobody would ever die of natural causes at a young age.
PS: If you're going to lie about your credentials, you should at least put them in your profile.I work as a defense analyst to pay my rent, but my true passion is oil painting
So you got your Ph.d, taught at an "Ivy League" school for what, a year? Then changed careers?
Sure you did.
LOL!! I absolutely did. quit that BS with a Master's.0 -
You cite one article, which its research was probably funded by some biased agriculture agency, and expect me to take it as truth? lol.. There are just as many low carb advocates and articles that refute what you say as well.
The least you could have done would be to read the article. It's pretty clear you've already made up your mind though.
Good luck with your goals.
Pretty sure you're on Big Agriculture's payroll and just saying that
::tinfoil hat on::0 -
Got me there. Cause wisdom teeth are such a killer to the vast majority of the population, preventing them from reproducing.
Do you even understand how evolutionary pressure works?
LOL!!! of course I do. I taught evolutionary bio. and I almost died from an abscess when I was 20. I chose not to have children., but I assure you that dying at age 20 would have stopped me regardless.
Oh I see, so if evolution was still happening, nobody would ever die of natural causes at a young age.
PS: If you're going to lie about your credentials, you should at least put them in your profile.I work as a defense analyst to pay my rent, but my true passion is oil painting
So you got your Ph.d, taught at an "Ivy League" school for what, a year? Then changed careers?
Sure you did.
LOL!! I absolutely did. quit that BS with a Master's.
If you IM me, I will give you my real name and you are welcome to call them up and ask.
but I am too stupid to edit a post. which is probably why I didn't hack it. 0
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