And on the seventh day HE feasted
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Banks:
ok, I get this but it begs another question.
So i eat 900 calories at one meal and my body can't process all of it so some gets stored as fat. That stored fat is not going to be reflected by a tape measurer. I'm assuming this is true because, with the exception of an extended belly, you generally don't see your hips or thighs get instantly bigger within hours of eating a meal that contains more energy than you need. In fact, as i understand it, that energy gets stored as glycogen for now. However, later that day I eat 300 calories and about an hour later head to gym where I do a 60 minute cardio workout that burns 600 calories followed by a strength training workout. Once I depleted that 300 calories, wouldn't my body dip into that stored fat?
Even if I did my workout that morning. I started on 300 calories, burned 600 so I had to burn stored fat, which was then replenished by my larger meal. Again, if I stored less than I burned, I lose weight.
At the end of the day, I ate 1500 calories (300 breakfast, 900 lunch, 300 dinner) and with a RMR of 1300 and an exercise burn of say 600 I still have a deficit for the day of 300 to 500 calories, depending on activity level. So, bottom line is that I stored some fat temporarily but then burned more than I stored and i should be losing weight.
So, wouldn't that work for a week? I stored some extra fat due to a binge day but had a deficit for the next 6 days. Wouldn't I burn off what I stored as long as my binge calories don't exceed my weekly deficit? And if I'm burning more than I stored, then I'll lose weight. It still comes down to net/net doesn't it?
Maybe I'm just looking at this wrong but anecdotal evidence suggests that people tend to eat/store energy inconsistently. Most of the world does not eat small meals 6 times a day. Despite that inconsistency they manage to lose/maintain weight.
Not saying you're wrong or trying to argue. Just want to understand since I'm trying to break through what I consider to be my "set point" (yes, I know the theory was debunked some time agobut is seems to apply to my particular problem) right now.
this is gonna get a bit technical, but I'll try to keep it as simple as I can for those of us who don't have a firm grip on the inner workings of our body.
In a perfect world this would be how it would work.
Unfortunately our bodies don't work like a straight causality machine. What you have to take into account is the idea that our body doesn't just take in the food, process it and expel waste. It (passively) takes all the things that you do into account and it also takes energy from where ever it needs it and where it can get it fastest.
So when doing the calculations (and obviously this is theoretical, there's really no way for even doctors to tell exactly where you are deriving all your energy) you must factor in the concept of use of proteins as a secondary fuel source and slow digesting foods as a fuel source also. So while some of those extra calories (many, in fact) that you need come from the fat you just stored, some also comes from lean tissue, and bone. There is always some degree of muscle loss in humans, how much depends on how often, and for how long, and how hard the particular muscle in question is being used.
Remember, muscle is always very close to the blood supply, it has to be, that's how muscles are "fed". Fat on the other hand, doesn't need a ready supply of blood which is why it's stored in the out of place area's it is. So when the body sends out the chemicals saying it needs fuel (lactic acid, insulin, and cortosol among others) the body responds by grabbing first digested food in the form of glycogen from the liver and blood, then it looks for alternate fuel sources, fat is the major one, and yes, a large percentage comes from fat, but also amino acids are broken down too. Because what ever fuel source the body thinks it can break down fastest, it will use, if the fat is far from the blood, it takes a while to pull the fat, get it to the liver, break it down, and put it back into the blood as glycogen, if that takes longer than pulling amino acids and breaking them down, guess who wins!
this all factors in to why we say to keep doing strength training while trying to lose weight, active muscles don't release protein up to the body as easilly, and force the body to use fat.
One other tid bit to remember about this is that, while you are doing this kind of eating, you are basically keeping older fat stores right where they are. Remember, it's harder to burn fat than to burn glucose, so it takes longer, giving the body more of a chance to slow down and not burn older fat. So when you binge , you are helping to keep the old fat (any fat that wasn't just put on) hanging around.
A lot of people either tend to forget the important roll protein metabolism plays, or just plain don't know about it. It's a big factor in how fit we become.
so your saying its not the cartoons.... the food nose-dives straight into your stomach, making that whistling noise. Then drops outta your *kitten*? weird.0 -
so your saying its not the cartoons.... the food nose-dives straight into your stomach, making that whistling noise. Then drops outta your *kitten*? weird.
:laugh: That was disturbing and hilarious mental image.0 -
so your saying its not the cartoons.... the food nose-dives straight into your stomach, making that whistling noise. Then drops outta your *kitten*? weird.
Hehe, I have absolutely no response to this. :ohwell:0 -
Nobody wants to touch this? I take that as a no? :huh:0
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Banks,
Thanks for the insight. I guess it makes sense but its also a little frustrating. I'm down to that "old fat" and it does not want to go away no matter how much I exercise and stay within my calories. I don't really binge, but I've grown tired of eating six small meal/snacks a day and would prefer to eat fewer but larger meals.
Since neither method seems to be working...not sure what I'll do next. :grumble:0 -
Banks,
Thanks for the insight. I guess it makes sense but its also a little frustrating. I'm down to that "old fat" and it does not want to go away no matter how much I exercise and stay within my calories. I don't really binge, but I've grown tired of eating six small meal/snacks a day and would prefer to eat fewer but larger meals.
Since neither method seems to be working...not sure what I'll do next. :grumble:
Its all about taking the time to cook and discover new meals. I get in these moods where I get lazy and I don't want to cook. So I just eat sandwiches and tuna all the time. It gets old. Real quick. You gotta switch it up now and then. The trick for me is.... making dinner, making extra for the next day, but not being tempted to increase my portions, because of the leftovers. You know what I mean? But its great to have leftovers for the next day, so that at work I'm not tempted to eat junk food.
I try to find ways that get me excited to eat and eat new things. My wife and I watch alot of Food Net work and cooking shows...pick up little tips. You know, search the internet for healthy recipes. PUt our own flare to it. There's nothing wrong with getting excited to eat! I get so sick and tired of people torturing themselves like food is the ultimate evil. Its such bullsh!t. Find healthy ways and go to town.
Believe me, in the long run... it'll be way more beneficial and keep you from wanting to give in or give up.0 -
Same here Sarge,,, we are Alton Brown's biggest fan, and we love to cook and we love to eat.
We just changed our focus. Used to eat enormous quantities of mediocre food. Now we eat reasonable quantities of very good food. Quality over quantity. A different kind of enjoyment and satisfaction, but satisfying none the less...
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I always knew you wer a quality first guy!0
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Another thing to consider, is how will a big binge effect you psychologically? I know we all react differently, so we each need to pay attention to what binging will do to us. For me, if I eat foods with a lot of refined sugar, I will be very happy at the time, but the next day, I will crave more refined sugar. After a while, when I decide to "be good" again, I have to go through withdrawls that are painful... Similar to quitting tobacco. If I ate a lot of calories, I will want more calories the next day. So, for me, it is better to minimize the "cheats." I am human, and I do eat them, but, I always seem to pay for them later. So again, I try to minimize them and remind myself before eating a treat, what that response will be.0
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Another thing to consider, is how will a big binge effect you psychologically? I know we all react differently, so we each need to pay attention to what binging will do to us. For me, if I eat foods with a lot of refined sugar, I will be very happy at the time, but the next day, I will crave more refined sugar. After a while, when I decide to "be good" again, I have to go through withdrawls that are painful... Similar to quitting tobacco. If I ate a lot of calories, I will want more calories the next day. So, for me, it is better to minimize the "cheats." I am human, and I do eat them, but, I always seem to pay for them later. So again, I try to minimize them and remind myself before eating a treat, what that response will be.
I agree. Alot of the times, I think psycholocially, we let ourselves get the best of us; either when it comes to eating or even working out. That we let the physical hurdle challenges overcome us and lead to failure. Or playing the numbers game to the point that we miss a goal by a few pounds or calories... we give up. Even worse, we let a meal or a binge completely unmotivate our routine. Sometimes its simple as chalking up a loss and moving on, or atleast just staying on track. I know for me... when I give-in or screw up, I tend to let it slide for a few more days of failures. I can't do that.
Alot of making goals and sticking to them, is about understanding and acknowledge your own weaknesses. What your made of. I think there is a fair balance between setting goals that are way to lax....and way to overboard. All that comes from trial and error, unfortunately. But thats what can make it fun....if you make it fun; not work all the time.
If you think a "binge" will honestly set you up for success. Then do it. Nobody here is going to be an expert for you. If you think even one "binge" is enough to sabatoge the rest of your life, then be that extreme. In the end, don't fool yourself.0 -
Another thing to consider, is how will a big binge effect you psychologically? I know we all react differently, so we each need to pay attention to what binging will do to us. For me, if I eat foods with a lot of refined sugar, I will be very happy at the time, but the next day, I will crave more refined sugar. After a while, when I decide to "be good" again, I have to go through withdrawls that are painful... Similar to quitting tobacco. If I ate a lot of calories, I will want more calories the next day. So, for me, it is better to minimize the "cheats." I am human, and I do eat them, but, I always seem to pay for them later. So again, I try to minimize them and remind myself before eating a treat, what that response will be.
I agree. Alot of the times, I think psycholocially, we let ourselves get the best of us; either when it comes to eating or even working out. That we let the physical hurdle challenges overcome us and lead to failure. Or playing the numbers game to the point that we miss a goal by a few pounds or calories... we give up. Even worse, we let a meal or a binge completely unmotivate our routine. Sometimes its simple as chalking up a loss and moving on, or atleast just staying on track. I know for me... when I give-in or screw up, I tend to let it slide for a few more days of failures. I can't do that.
Alot of making goals and sticking to them, is about understanding and acknowledge your own weaknesses. What your made of. I think there is a fair balance between setting goals that are way to lax....and way to overboard. All that comes from trial and error, unfortunately. But thats what can make it fun....if you make it fun; not work all the time.
If you think a "binge" will honestly set you up for success. Then do it. Nobody here is going to be an expert for you. If you think even one "binge" is enough to sabatoge the rest of your life, then be that extreme. In the end, don't fool yourself.
Webster defines "binge" as a drunken celebration, or spree! If that is how a person feels about food that is a problem. I hope through all of this I learn to eat to live, not Live to eat! enjoy, be healthy and happy!0 -
Another thing to consider, is how will a big binge effect you psychologically? I know we all react differently, so we each need to pay attention to what binging will do to us. For me, if I eat foods with a lot of refined sugar, I will be very happy at the time, but the next day, I will crave more refined sugar. After a while, when I decide to "be good" again, I have to go through withdrawls that are painful... Similar to quitting tobacco. If I ate a lot of calories, I will want more calories the next day. So, for me, it is better to minimize the "cheats." I am human, and I do eat them, but, I always seem to pay for them later. So again, I try to minimize them and remind myself before eating a treat, what that response will be.
I agree. Alot of the times, I think psycholocially, we let ourselves get the best of us; either when it comes to eating or even working out. That we let the physical hurdle challenges overcome us and lead to failure. Or playing the numbers game to the point that we miss a goal by a few pounds or calories... we give up. Even worse, we let a meal or a binge completely unmotivate our routine. Sometimes its simple as chalking up a loss and moving on, or atleast just staying on track. I know for me... when I give-in or screw up, I tend to let it slide for a few more days of failures. I can't do that.
Alot of making goals and sticking to them, is about understanding and acknowledge your own weaknesses. What your made of. I think there is a fair balance between setting goals that are way to lax....and way to overboard. All that comes from trial and error, unfortunately. But thats what can make it fun....if you make it fun; not work all the time.
If you think a "binge" will honestly set you up for success. Then do it. Nobody here is going to be an expert for you. If you think even one "binge" is enough to sabatoge the rest of your life, then be that extreme. In the end, don't fool yourself.
I am laughing today about my before and after 'binges'
Last year would have been Grand Slam breakfast with side of white toast and butter, pan pizza with extra meat, cookies for snack, dinner of huge meal and 1/8 of a chocolate cake.
4000 calories.............the 1st week I was here I wrote what I ate.......didnt change anything, and it was 4k cals with huge fat grams
This tiime my 'binge' was just under 2000 and the worst of it was the sugar.........over load.
So I am making changes for the better.
Now psychologicically, it has effected me all day. I didnt want to eat this morning, guilt over took me upon waking. I am counting ever sliver of food.............0 -
[I am laughing today about my before and after 'binges'
Last year would have been Grand Slam breakfast with side of white toast and butter, pan pizza with extra meat, cookies for snack, dinner of huge meal and 1/8 of a chocolate cake.
4000 calories.............the 1st week I was here I wrote what I ate.......didnt change anything, and it was 4k cals with huge fat grams
This tiime my 'binge' was just under 2000 and the worst of it was the sugar.........over load.
So I am making changes for the better.
Now psychologicically, it has effected me all day. I didnt want to eat this morning, guilt over took me upon waking. I am counting ever sliver of food.............
Thats what i'm talking about. What may be a successful goal to you, isn't necessarily a goal for someone else. If that what makes you feel good or keep you on point...then so be it. I think alot of people who find themselves getting bucked off their path to success... focus way to much on what the status quo defines "health" or "diet" or "exercise." You gotta do what works for you. What keeps you accountable. That doesn't mean, its always going to be the easy path. But setting yourself up for failure isn't necessarily the best option either. Like I said, finding a balance, obtaining some kinda success and progress.
On here, time and time, i see people crying because the scale didn't move after 3 weeks of hard work.
Perfect example of an unrealistic goal. Why not be satisfied or atleast accomplished for just making it to the gym for the "three weeks of hard work." That IS SOMETHING to be proud of.0 -
How about changing the sentence to " And on the seventh day he fasted" One little "E" could really change things!0
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How about changing the sentence to " And on the seventh day he fasted" One little "E" could really change things!
There have been studies showing fasting one day a week has positive effects on health.0 -
maybe lower-case that capital "H" on "He" as well...we don't want anyone to get offended that you could be making a reference to God around here. It pisses off the natives and its AGAINST THE RULLLLES. :devil: :devil:0
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maybe lower-case that capital "H" on "Him" as well...we don't want anyone to get offended that you could be making a reference to God around here. It pisses off the natives and its AGAINST THE RULLLLES. :devil: :devil:
What?0 -
maybe lower-case that capital "H" on "Him" as well...we don't want anyone to get offended that you could be making a reference to God around here. It pisses off the natives and its AGAINST THE RULLLLES. :devil: :devil:
What?
There was a christian thread that got disbanded because it is against the rules to discuss religion and politics. In religious texts God is often referred to as He with a capital "H" Sarg was part of the thread from what I understand.
I believe he misunderstood your statement to mean the "e" should be uncapitalized in the word "he" rather than removed from the word "feast"0 -
maybe lower-case that capital "H" on "Him" as well...we don't want anyone to get offended that you could be making a reference to God around here. It pisses off the natives and its AGAINST THE RULLLLES. :devil: :devil:
What?
There was a christian thread that got disbanded because it is against the rules to discuss religion and politics. In religious texts God is often referred to as He with a capital "H" Sarg was part of the thread from what I understand.
I believe he misunderstood your statement to mean the "e" should be uncapitalized in the word "he" rather than removed from the word "feast"
Feast, fast, I think I was clear. Rules are rules, I don't make them.0 -
Feast, fast, I think I was clear. Rules are rules, I don't make them.
I don't think he was upset with you rather upset with the rule. :flowerforyou:0 -
I dont expect to pours 30 gallons of gas into my 20 gallon tank in my car and have it for extra the next day. I just over flows.
What a great way to put it! I like it.0 -
Feast, fast, I think I was clear. Rules are rules, I don't make them.
I don't think he was upset with you rather upset with the rule. :flowerforyou:
Perhaps a discussion with Mike about his rules would help.0 -
hahahaha, I was being "facetious". MFP members should try looking that word up in the dictionary
(i did).:noway:0 -
hahahaha, I was being "facetious". MFP members should try looking that word up in the dictionary
(i did).:noway:
Sorry I misinterpretted it to be angry. :flowerforyou:0 -
hahahaha, I was being "facetious". MFP members should try looking that word up in the dictionary
(i did).:noway:
Sorry I misinterpretted it to be angry. :flowerforyou:
someone who can admit their faults, impressive. Thanks for the flowers; obviously I need sum. :drinker:0 -
someone who can admit their faults, impressive. Thanks for the flowers; obviously I need sum. :drinker:
Every man should get flowers.:bigsmile: :laugh:0 -
someone who can admit their faults, impressive. Thanks for the flowers; obviously I need sum. :drinker:
Every man should get flowers.:bigsmile: :laugh:
i got some fresh vegetables, does that count? :ohwell:0 -
someone who can admit their faults, impressive. Thanks for the flowers; obviously I need sum. :drinker:
Every man should get flowers.:bigsmile: :laugh:
i got some fresh vegetables, does that count? :ohwell:
If it was broccoli or cauliflower, it counts :laugh:0 -
i got some fresh vegetables, does that count? :ohwell:
If it was broccoli or cauliflower, it counts :laugh:
Lettuce counts too, especially red leaf.:laugh:0 -
Lettuce counts too, especially red leaf.:laugh:
Spinach! Now thats love. :smooched:0
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