The ugly question that must be asked

terence

It healthy to have stool really smelly because of the trillions of bacteria that are working inside your gut to make you healthy. ( I am pretty sure this is true)

I remember seeing a documentary on Youtube about a scientist who specialised in the smells created in that vicinity. He was really into it and motivated.

TankLily

Terence
Yes that is what I am saying. I just wanted to make the distinction about where the fat was comming from, it can prevent absorbtion; it doesn't pull the fat from your body. Probably the best way to prevent fat absorbtion is to not eat it in the first place.

On a side note... IF YOU REALLY want to prevent fat absorbtion you should try Giardia. LOL. I got Giardia once from my dog, it was the best diet I've ever been on... except the whole violently ill part. :laugh:

terence

IF YOU REALLY want to prevent fat absorbtion you should try Giardia. LOL. I got Giardia once from my dog, it was the best diet I've ever been on... except the whole violently ill part. :laugh:

I think I'll pass. :laugh:

tabstattooed

when you go into ketosis you pee off fat,,,,,,,,diabetics get keytones in urine and it is dangerous
dieters get keytones and it is helpful.....you can measure your keytones with keytone sticks in the diabetes section of your local wal mart walgreens cvs place

you get keytones buy going no carb.....or very little carb.....downfall to low carb no carb...once you get below 100 grams of carbs per day you suffer from headaches, mental confusion, cloudy thoughths inability to concentrate and stay focused and so on....


no you dont have greasy peepee.....

or so I have been told.....I am not a dr.....just an obesity survivor, fighting a re-gain

terence

when you go into ketosis you pee off fat,,,,,,,,diabetics get keytones in urine and it is dangerous
dieters get keytones and it is helpful

This sounds very interesting but "ketosis"? "Keytones"?

Can you explain a bit more.

weaklink109

when you go into ketosis you pee off fat,,,,,,,,diabetics get keytones in urine and it is dangerous
dieters get keytones and it is helpful

This sounds very interesting but "ketosis"? "Keytones"?

Can you explain a bit more.

Here is something that says it better than I could:

"What is Ketosis?
By Laura Dolson, About.com
Updated: July 05, 2008

Question: What is Ketosis?
Answer: A lot of people are confused by the term "ketosis." You may read that it is a "dangerous state" for the body, and it does sound abnormal to be "in ketosis." But ketosis merely means that our bodies are using fat for energy. Ketones (also called ketone bodies) are molecules generated during fat metabolism, whether from the fat in the guacamole you just ate or fat you were carrying around your middle. When our bodies are breaking down fat for energy, most of the it gets converted more or less directly to ATP. (Remember high school biology? This is the "energy molecule.") But ketones are also produced as part of the process.

When people eat less carbohydrate, their bodies turn to fat for energy, so it makes sense that more ketones are generated. Some of those ketones (acetoacetate and ß-hydroxybutyrate) are used for energy; the heart muscle and kidneys, for example, prefer ketones to glucose. Most cells, including the brain cells, are able to use ketones for at least part of their energy. But there is one type of ketone molecule, called acetone, that cannot be used and is excreted as waste, mostly in the urine and breath (sometimes causing a distinct breath odor).

If enough acetone is in our urine, it can be detected using a dipstick commonly called by the brand name Ketostix (though there are other brands, as well). Even though everyone is generating ketones continuously, this detection in the urine is what is commonly called "ketosis."

The higher the concentration of ketones in the urine, the more purple the sticks will turn. The Atkins Diet, in particular, advises people to monitor ketosis as an indication of fat burning. Other reduced carbohydrate diets don't pay much attention to this, or aren't low enough in carbs to make much of an impression on the sticks. (The latter type of diet is sometimes called a "nonketogenic" low-carb diet.) "

terence

[When people eat less carbohydrate, their bodies turn to fat for energy, so it makes sense that more ketones are generated.
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Even though everyone is generating ketones continuously, this detection in the urine is what is commonly called "ketosis."

The higher the concentration of ketones in the urine, the more purple the sticks will turn. The Atkins Diet, in particular, advises people to monitor ketosis as an indication of fat burning.

This is really helpful. For someone without diabetes or other health problems, is there any other use for monitoring or accelerating ketosis?

terence

Does anyone know the amount of carbs required just for existing ... in other words assuming no exercise?

thumper44

I wish schools taught more about this topic. Instead society teaches us it's gross, and many people do not talk about their bowel movements and think because they go, they are "regular"
First,
I do NOT agree that doing a "colon cleanse" is for weight lost purposes.
I do agree that it can be done for health purposes.

This particulary sub-subject hasn't been talked about, and wanted to know opinions.
Sorry for the length of this post.

Would like to hear everyones opinions.

When a person is constipated/not regular, and has not gone for several days. Perhaps 2-3 days but I've heard there are people that haven't gone for 7 days.
You finally go ONCE in 2-3 days, and then wait another 2-3 days to go.

Question: Do you think you've expelled all the waste that has been building up in those 2-3 days? Nothing is "left over"?

Your large intestine is only approx 5 ft long by ~ 2.5 inches.

Question: Does everyone think that their 2-3 meals of full plate meals/junk food/1500 cal meals every day for 2-3 days is magically disappearing in that one bowel movement?

Your colon can only hold so much, and I've heard the term Mega colon, Which is the large intestine/colon dilating. In extreme cases feces is turning into hard masses inside the colon (according to wikipedia) .

When you get a colonoscopy done, they view the first 5 feet of large intestine, your colon.

What about the other 20-23 feet of small intestine that's bundled up in your body.
The small intestine is approx 1/2" in diameter Size of a dime, in a regular person.

After 2-3 days of constantly not going, your colon is full, and your still eating more food, your constipated.
Question: The waste does not back up to the small intestine?

Question: Is it not possible then, that the small intestines can also dilate and get bigger in size.?

The Villi are the little hair like protrustions into the intestine that absorbe nutrients from the food we eat.

Question: If the small intestine gets backed up, these villi are basically soaked in it's own waste, and not gettnig the nutrients out of our food?

Something to think about. That's all, sorry for the length.

This is a link that I find which give more info about what Tanklily was mentioning.
http://health.howstuffworks.com/digestive-system2.htm
An ariticle I found from healthe livingnews
http://www.healthe-livingnews.com/articles/how_colon_health_affects_total_health.html

tabstattooed

not sure how many carbs are needed just to be......

ketosis and keytones cause my neice pure hell, she is 14 and type 1 has been since age 2. When she has lrg keytones the school calls and she has to come home and monitor her sugar sit still and drink water. She is on an insulin pump and my sister monitors her very closely.

I have keytone strips, they cost about 10 bucks for a container. You pee on it match the color and see if you have zero to large in your urine.

I did find this but you how info varies on the web


Grams of carbs recommended per day
If you ARE trying to lose weight, 20 - 60 grams are recommended depending on your level of activity. If you are trying to lose weight, see the relevant page link, further down this page, listed under Related Links.


If you are NOT trying to lose weight, 180 - 230 grams are sometimes recommended. However, for health there is no minimum daily requirement of carbohydrate.

More input

If you are not trying to lose weight, the number of carbohydrates you can consume on a daily basis depends on how many calories you intake in a day. For a person who is just doing a regular amount of activity (intaking between 1,600 calories and 2,200), carbohydrate intake is more (around 65%) whereas fat intake is lower (20%) but if the person has a higher calorie intake such as 3,000-4,000 that does long-distance running, etc...the person will need less carbohydrates (55%) and more fats (30%. There isn't a raw number of carbohydrates to intake because the amount of exercise a person does depends essentially how much aerobic activity is done. For athletes, the most important carbohydrate is the complex ones (glycogen) such as oats, fruits, vegetables..anything fiber mainly, potatoes, pasta, bread, cereal. But you have to watch out, carbohydrates are easily over-consumed.

If you are not trying to lose weight, the amount of any food per day is subjective to the following: age, health conditions, pysical activity(calorie expenditure per day) There are many other minor factors which may determine the amount of calories and carbs that a person needs. So based on the law of individualism, each individual is unique and their needs are different based on various factors.

It depends on how many calories/day diet you maintain. 45% of your daily intake should be carbs. On a 1600 calorie a day diet 720 calories should come from carbs. Or about 180 grams. The important thing is what KIND of carbs.

Further input

I recently reconstructed my diet and lost 30 lbs in about 10 months and 2 inches off my waist. I base my food plan on these three rules: Calories must be less than or between 1000 and 1500. Grams of fat must never exceed 35g. Grams of carbohydrate cannot exceed 100 for a maintenance diet once the weight has been lost. I do not limit the kinds of food that I can eat only the amount. I eat snacks during the day and drink between 2 and 4 4 liters of water. I also have a strict exercise schedule.

Further input

Stay away from refined (processed) carbohydrates. Do not eat white bread, white pasta, white potatoes or white rice. These foods are VERY high glycemic and will spike your blood sugar which will make you hungry again much quicker. Add fiber to your diet (which you will automatically do if you switch to whole grain carbs) and eat 5-6 small "meals" during the day instead of 3 big meals. You will never be hungry and will shed pounds like mad. For more details, look for Dr. Ray Strand's book Releasing Fat. It is excellent.


For those who ARE trying to lose weight:

Unlike protein and fats, there is no minimum daily requirement of carbohydrate in order to flourish physically. If you are interested in carbohydrates in relation to weight loss, there is, however, a maximum recommendation.

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Answer
The nature of the Atkins diet is to force the body to burn fats and proteins as it's energy source as opposed to carbohydrates. The body will breakdown these molecules into 2-carbon chains faster than the Krebb's Cycle can use them to produce ATP and free electrons (read up about cellular respiration for a better explaination). As a result, many of the 2-carbon chains are excreted as Ketones. Side effects: 1. Ketones STINK. If your liver is producing Ketones it's a sure thing that your breath is going to stink as well. 2. Atkins can rob you of energy, especially mental energy and stamina. Your brain works best when in runs on carbohydrates. If your brain does not get enough carbohydrates it will break down the proteins in your body. 3. Not only does this rob you of energy, you'll also lose lean body mass (aka muscle) 4. Without fiber (a carbohydrate)your digestive system is bound to slow down. Don't expect too many bowel movements while eating your bacon and cheese burgers.


Answer
Well put by the above poster. I just wanted to add I saw a program on the Atkins diet and it's a dangerous one because of high fat intake. There are simply good/bad fats, but according to the Atkins diet you can eat anything you want fat or not (and that is what some over-weight people want to hear because they hate the word "diet.") The two best diets (or training of good eating habits) is Weight Watchers and the South Beach Diet.



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There is absolutely no evidence to support an increase of incidence of bad breath in low carbers....What about Atkins followers who dont have bad breath. Atkins or not, you may or may not have bad breath. Far more people are energised. Low carb eating encourages the body to use fat stores as the energy source after carbs, any other way has the body use mostly muscle. "without fibre your digestive system is bound to slow down".... Your digestive system has no set speed Peristalsis is affected by ANY food and lubrication entering the system. Fibre is merely a natural cleansing irritant, natures laxative. Low carbers should get their fibre from vegetables and if necessary drink more water to aid digestion. Low carbers may well have less movements as they are eating less rubbish. Atkins is not a high fat diet....please some time to find out what they are in fact advocating...no=where in Atkins does it suggest such bad dietry instruction.

"according to the Atkins diet you can eat anything you want fat or not".....no it doesnt. I can only assume that these comments are made by people who have neither read the Atkins books themselves nor visited the Atkins web site as the comments attributed to Atkins can not be found at source


dont know if it helps at all. I am clueless but learning more each day I wake up.

tammy

10dressedasa6

well, that wasn't too ugly. I can't answer any of your questions, but it sounds like you did a really good clense. I think I'm going to try it. The only thing I think I'll add is some veggies inbetween meals, along with the fruit. Did you notice any real difference on the scale?

terence

well, that wasn't too ugly. I can't answer any of your questions, but it sounds like you did a really good clense. I think I'm going to try it. The only thing I think I'll add is some veggies inbetween meals, along with the fruit. Did you notice any real difference on the scale?

I'm not sure if it made a difference since my weight loss has been pretty consistent all along.
Idid notice a fairly rapid reduction of nearly an inch in a wekk (and this is after losing about 3 inches in the preceeding 2 months). I looked at myself in the mirrir at the end of that week and I shocked myself. I could see a noticeable dfifference around the extreme lower lats (in other words, the sides of my waist, which had been a stubborn area.). That extra inch obviously came from there.


Again, I can't say that the 3 days of high-fibre made the difference. However it was the only variable.

terence

dont know if it helps at all. I am clueless but learning more each day I wake up.
tammy

That is wonderful. Thanks Tammy.

terence

Question 1: What part does the volume/weight of our excreta play in weight loss?

Going back to review the original questions, the consensus on Question 1 appears to be that the volume/weight is not the key but merely a consequence of the key. The key, if I've followed the input, is how much calorie intake you process (either through energy output or other means) before it can be absorbed and stored in the body.

In relation to the "other means" of avoiding storage, we've had an excellent discussion on high-fibre intervention. I'm not sure that there's been agreement on that as there was a suggestion that the additional expulsions are just a temporary depletion of normal 'stand-by' supplies. This is my strictly lay interpreetation.. I hope someone will correct me if I am wrong.

terence

Question 2: Is the volume/weight of said excrement fixed in relation to calorie input and energy output.

Here, again, opinions expressed here seem to suggest that other factors affecting the absorption and storage of the broken down elements of the food you eat can have a significant short-term effect. Again, I'm not seeing a clear answer to the long-term benefits of promoting a greater volume of excreta through high-fiber intervention or other means.

terence

Question 2: Is the volume/weight of said excrement fixed in relation to calorie input and energy output.

Here, again, opinions expressed here seem to suggest that other factors affecting the absorption and storage of the broken down elements of the food you eat can have a significant short-term effect. Again, I'm not seeing a clear answer to the long-term benefits of promoting a greater volume of excreta through high-fiber intervention or other means.

Whew! That was poorly worded. :explode: Let me try again.

Opinions on this question appear to be divided (similar to the responses to Question 1). It has been suggested that other factors that affect the rate of abosrption of food elements (such as a high-fiber diet) can have a substantial short-term effect on the volume of excreta (and, hence, weight loss).

Doubt has been cast on whether or not this weight loss is only temporary as the body must return to a balanced position (or status quo). I'm imagining that this argument apes the process of losing sweat. While the immediate water loss is obvious, the water must, and will be replaced sooner or later whether we like it or not.

However I'm not seeing a clear and compelling answer to the longer-term benefits of moving things through the system as quickly as possible.

thumper44

bump.. TTT

tabstattooed

when asked the interweb how much excrement the human body holds this is what I got........

The average person can have between 4-25 pounds of "built-up" intestinal matter in their colon- factors

effecting this number are your metabolism, diet, genetics and rate of bowel movements. The general term for feces stuck in the human body is mucoid crap.
A doctor can remove some of this build-up with a colon cleansing.

and also thisPeople tend to think that once you have a cleansed colon, you may also lose weight. This notion may be right after all. Take time to look at the reasons why the concepts of colon cleansing and weight loss go together.

Overweight is often times the culprit to hemorrhoid build-up. Hemorrhoids, on the other hand, could be cured through the aid of colon cleansers. But how are the terms colon cleansing and weight loss intertwined? Do they really go together or is it just part of your state of mind?

Colon cleansing and weight loss

Colon cleansers were specifically made to treat digestive tract problems and in the event of severity, to prevent you from acquiring colon cancer. On a lighter and an added benefit, weight loss could be a result of the intake of such products, whether made from your own homes or bought over the counter. Here are some facts that could help you understand the connection:

• Fiber content. Most colon cleansers contain fiber as the latter is known to contribute a lot of benefits extended to regular bowel movement. Accept that when you have irregularities on your bowel, your stomach tends to feel heavy and it thus add weight. With the help of colon cleansing products, you will surely eliminate that weight concern. Getting aid from your kitchen is advantageous as well. Start by eating fruits and vegetables.

• Toxin build-up. Once you have digestive tract problems, it follows that toxic materials build-up on your system. Without going to your toilets regularly for the mere purpose of bowel movement, these toxins could build-up in your body thus giving you a very alarming body figure. Since colon cleansing is a good way to eliminate these unwanted wastes, the tendency is that you will lose weight as well.

• Blockage of fecal passage. This may sound unrealistic, but believe it or not, studies showed that unwanted wastes which build up in the body contribute to 10 to 15 pounds of additional body weight. Once your *kitten* are blocked with feces, you will definitely have more weight for yourself. With colon cleansing, you will surely get rid of this in around seven to ten days. This will then lead to weight loss.

Other essential facts on colon cleanse and weight loss

Amazingly, a lot of colon cleanse products in the market today promises results extended to weight loss. This is guaranteed to be favorable to most patients with weight concerns. You need not be afraid of having a dreaded disease associated with your clogged colon as well as you need not be bothered of shedding extra pounds from your body.

Colon cleansing and body weight reduction definitely goes hand-in-hand. The results of taking colon cleansers lead to possibilities of weight loss. You may not see it for yourselves in a few days however after several weeks or so, you will be surprised at how much weight you have lost. But, don’t ever attempt to take over-the-counter colon cleansers unless you have problems with your bowel movement. Don’t use it as a reason for eliminating weight.

tabstattooed

my theory...............

we are all full of shiznit!!!

terence

my theory...............

we are all full of shiznit!!!

4 - 25 pounds of shiznet! :laugh: