Anyone else getting annoyed at Beach Body lately?

ctooch99

I am big fan (user of P90X) and I think Tony Horton is an awesome guy, however lately I am getting kind of bummed at the direction Beach Body (the company that owns P90X and Insanity) is taking. Anyone else notice this?

I know they are a business, but I "liked" their FaceBook page recently and now I am constantly flooded with messages from all these Beach Body sales zombies pushing products on me constantly. It's really pissing me off and turning me off to them as a company.

I also recently ordered P90X Plus (an add on to regular P90X) and I noticed the whole feel of it changed dramatically. It feels more like a rushed info-mercial more than a workout DVD. Tony Horton sort of looks like he just "stopped by" when they were filming it as opposed to being really involved and sweating (like in original P90X). The two people doing the workouts look like perfect Stepford people instead of real people sweating and struggling like in the original P90X.

Thoughts?

jfan175

P90X+ looks like a rush job they just through together as a follow up. The production quality stinks compared to the original, and no, I'm not interested in buying the Selectech dumbells. I'm going to incorporate the Interval X + and the Kenpo Cardio somewhere down the line, but the other workouts don't look that appealing. P90X2 looks rather bizarre and not like something I'd be interested in. If you read the logs of people doing that program, it doesn't look like they're very impressed. I just wish they'd follow up with something very similar to the original. It whipped me into very good shape.

Beachbody is a business, so I guess they have to sell things, but I don't care for their business tactics either.

KelliW_runner

I loved the original P90X. Am in the 2nd phase of P90X2. I liked the workouts from phase 1 - almost like pilates/P90X fusion with all the core work. I'm not liking the 2nd phase workouts as much. Have actually been just subbing in weightlifting on the chest/back and arms days. Plyocide also not as tough so I am starting to do a hybrid with Insanity for the Cardio.

Overall - think they have some good products. Perhaps overpriced, but considering they've been tools to help me drop 15% of my bodyweight, I am still happy. Coach thing is annoying - I can figure out the website myself, thanks.

ctooch99

P90X+ looks like a rush job they just through together as a follow up. The production quality stinks compared to the original, and no, I'm not interested in buying the Selectech dumbells. I'm going to incorporate the Interval X + and the Kenpo Cardio somewhere down the line, but the other workouts don't look that appealing. P90X2 looks rather bizarre and not like something I'd be interested in. If you read the logs of people doing that program, it doesn't look like they're very impressed. I just wish they'd follow up with something very similar to the original. It whipped me into very good shape.

Beachbody is a business, so I guess they have to sell things, but I don't care for their business tactics either.

You hit it right on the money my friend...

angieleighbyrd

I had a sales person annoy me for a while. I eventually had to block them. It was on here though. Not facebook. They were trying to sell me shakes, and wouldn't take no for an answer.

ninerbuff

When a company tastes success, they lose sight of the original goal..........pleasing the consumer. And MLM's are the best at this because it's just about the numbers not the consumer's satisfaction. What most people don't know about MLM's is that it's the SALES REPS that support the purchase of products and not the general public. They want you to buy so they can build up their "network", get better discounts and make more money. Now while I have nothing against making money, I don't like the model of how MLM's do it.

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Rae6503

I did Turbo Fire. Really like it. Was happy with the results.

But now I'm afraid to admit it. I HATE the pyramid scheme aspect of the business. I hate that they call untrained, uneducated people who sell stuff "coaches". They aren't coaches. They are sales people and they want to make you sell stuff too. I have a friend from high school who is a "coach". Her entire facebook page is no all dedicated to her business and not her life, or her kids, or whatever you are supposed to talk about on facebook. It's all VERY annoying.

Bobby_Clerici

I was stoked about P90X and Beachbody until the flood of MLM drones all seeking my entry into their DOOMED -TO-FAIL pyramid business.
It's like Amway.
I booted about 20 people from FB - about as many here along with other network marketing "opportunitiy" *kitten* who badger friends and family into submission for their "down-line".

It's ABSURD!
COUNT ME OUT :noway:

Bobby_Clerici

I had a sales person annoy me for a while. I eventually had to block them. It was on here though. Not facebook. They were trying to sell me shakes, and wouldn't take no for an answer.

I just canned somebody who peaked through my diary, then declared that my soy protein would give me cancer, so I'd better start buying SHAKOLOGY from her before it's too late...:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

apriltrainer

One of my friends is a beachbody "coach' . What? Just because you did p90x you can be a coach now? She seems more like a salesperson. Which, well she is now.

It's really disheartening. I thought the while purpose of p90x was to get people back into fitness, not turn all users of the product into sales people for this pyramid scheme.

tuneses

It does bother me that they are a multi-level marketing program. I find it deters largely from the few quality products they have. I love Insanity but every time I bring it up i get 23432423 "coaches" wanting to help me lol. I find they are losing credibility at this point.

Sidesteal

Thoughts?

I think your assessment is correct. Unfortunately, financial goals can make people and/or businesses lose sight of things.

hongruss

I think P90X is (& has been) inspirational for me & many others. It was the first structured step onto a fantastic journey of learning & progression. X2 is a great program but differs significantly from"X" & also the sales aspect mars the whole ethos. I have been lucky with my Coach, although he references how great said product is & does squeeze plugs into a lot of his responses, he doesn't actually push anything, & he is a very successful "coach", but his style is almost passive/aggressive. I can deal with that & found the forums helpful & supportive BUT I have refocused my goals & am more intrrested in the BIG four compound moves & structuring my training around that type of plan.

Without P90X & X2 (&RushFit) I am pretty sure I would still be on the sofa drinking beer, haha BUT I don't get into the sales & ignore/block those pushy enough to bother me with them, sadly a once great company with admirable goals has become a great marketing machine with monetary goals

Russ

tigersword

Beachbody is just a giant pyramid scheme. P90X and Insanity are decent workouts, everything else is just cheap stuff for the pyramid scheme to make quick money.

ninerbuff

I was stoked about P90X and Beachbody until the flood of MLM drones all seeking my entry into their DOOMED -TO-FAIL pyramid business.
It's like Amway.
I booted about 20 people from FB - about as many here along with other network marketing "opportunitiy" *kitten* who badger friends and family into submission for their "down-line".

It's ABSURD!
COUNT ME OUT :noway:

I've got some powdered aspartame for you bro.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Sidesteal

If you want to consume protein that you're body will only absorb 44% of, that's YOUR problem, not MINE! To each his own!

Can you provide any information on the above, such as a study perhaps? Only asking because I've never heard this.

Bobby_Clerici

I was stoked about P90X and Beachbody until the flood of MLM drones all seeking my entry into their DOOMED -TO-FAIL pyramid business.
It's like Amway.
I booted about 20 people from FB - about as many here along with other network marketing "opportunitiy" *kitten* who badger friends and family into submission for their "down-line".

It's ABSURD!
COUNT ME OUT :noway:

I've got some powdered aspartame for you bro.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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IDEA Fitness member
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Joe, you always know how to tweak well....lol

tigersword

If you want to consume protein that you're body will only absorb 44% of, that's YOUR problem, not MINE! To each his own!

Can you provide any information on the above, such as a study perhaps? Only asking because I've never heard this.

It's been 100% proven that 97% of all statistics have been completely made up on the spot. Something you make up always sounds more believable when you throw an invented statistic into it. Sales pitch 101, make up a bunch of numbers that makes your product sound good, and the other product sound bad, because most people don't bother to check statistics, and aren't usually educated enough to know about biological processes.

RobynMWilson

If you want to consume protein that you're body will only absorb 44% of, that's YOUR problem, not MINE! To each his own!

Can you provide any information on the above, such as a study perhaps? Only asking because I've never heard this.

If you want to consume protein that you're body will only absorb 44% of, that's YOUR problem, not MINE! To each his own!

Can you provide any information on the above, such as a study perhaps? Only asking because I've never heard this.

Ok...I stand corrected on the 44% but soy has a much lower BV than whey, casein and egg albumen...here's one article I've favorited: http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/health-nutrition/soy-protein-benefits-use-1.htm

I'm allergic to whey and most people who are allergic to milk proteins are also allergic to soy (I couldn't have soy formula as an infant or milk, I had to have Nutramagen). But with all of the recent controversy surrounding soy protein, I don't understand why people consume soy over whey and take that chance. I never criticized anyone's use of soy protein, but I was accused of using "scare tactics" to sell Shakeology. My friend Colleen, who has NO FAMILY HISTORY of breast cancer has been using soy protein for 15 yrs and just got diagnosed with breast cancer at age 37. And she has no other risk factors whatsoever...so I personally choose egg white albumen and other non-whey, non-soy proteins such as sprouted, fermented brown rice and pea proteins because I HAVE to but if I wasn't allergic to milk I'd be using casein and whey proteins as well as lean meats, etc.

My status wasn't a sales pitch for anything relating to Beachbody...I need to up my own protein to prep for P90X and was just looking to see if I could find something cheaper than my egg white protein powder by Fit n Healthy and I was disappointed to find that most protein bars are as bad as candy bars and since I, personally, am trying to go back to eating REAL food I'm shying away from most things with artificial flavoring. Never once do I attack any of my friends' food diaries...not even the girl with an ED who is consuming 800 cals per day...I did mention some concern over that one but I'm not here to judge or knock anybody!

edited by Arewethereyet MFP Moderator~~

RobynMWilson

Here's another one...it just blows my mind why anyone who is NOT allergic to whey would be eating bars with soy protein when they could have whey! Maybe b/c I know I CAN'T have it lol http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/proteinrating.html

Sidesteal

My concern wasn't about what happened between you and Bobby, I just want to know where you got the notion that soy protein only has a 44% absorption rate.

I'll check out your articles but I hope they have research to back them up. I haven't looked at every study ever done, but there is research pointing towards whey/casein mix being slightly superior to soy. There are also studies showing that soy protein shows no difference from whey in terms of utilization. See here:


Soy versus whey protein bars: effects on exercise training impact on lean body mass and antioxidant status.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15588291

RESULTS:

Both the soy and whey treatment groups showed a gain in lean body mass, but the training-only group did not. The whey and training only groups, but not the soy group, showed a potentially deleterious post-training effect on two antioxidant-related related parameters.
CONCLUSIONS:

Soy and whey protein bar products both promoted exercise training-induced lean body mass gain, but the soy had the added benefit of preserving two aspects of antioxidant function.


Effect of whey and soy protein supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16948480

Results showed that protein supplementation during resistance training, independent of source, increased lean tissue mass and strength over isocaloric placebo and resistance training.



Effect of protein source and resistance training on body composition and sex hormones.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17908338

"Protein supplementation resulted in a significant increase in lean body mass independent of protein source"

EDIT: As with ANY study, it's important to look at the details. These above links don't PROVE that soy and whey are the same. They just have some implication that from a lean mass standpoint, the differences might not be as large as you were implying. These studies, as with all studies, have limitations that should be considered.

EDIT#2: I personally use whey protein and I don't have any agenda here to push soy products. I just didn't want someone to read your 44% figure and believe that their soy protein isn't going to work for their goals.

Bobby_Clerici

My concern wasn't about what happened between you and Bobby, I just want to know where you got the notion that soy protein only has a 44% absorption rate.

I'll check out your articles but I hope they have research to back them up. I haven't looked at every study ever done, but there is research pointing towards whey/casein mix being slightly superior to soy. There are also studies showing that soy protein shows no difference from whey in terms of utilization. See here:


Soy versus whey protein bars: effects on exercise training impact on lean body mass and antioxidant status.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15588291

RESULTS:

Both the soy and whey treatment groups showed a gain in lean body mass, but the training-only group did not. The whey and training only groups, but not the soy group, showed a potentially deleterious post-training effect on two antioxidant-related related parameters.
CONCLUSIONS:

Soy and whey protein bar products both promoted exercise training-induced lean body mass gain, but the soy had the added benefit of preserving two aspects of antioxidant function.


Effect of whey and soy protein supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16948480

Results showed that protein supplementation during resistance training, independent of source, increased lean tissue mass and strength over isocaloric placebo and resistance training.



Effect of protein source and resistance training on body composition and sex hormones.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17908338

"Protein supplementation resulted in a significant increase in lean body mass independent of protein source"

EDIT: As with ANY study, it's important to look at the details. These above links don't PROVE that soy and whey are the same. They just have some implication that from a lean mass standpoint, the differences might not be as large as you were implying. These studies, as with all studies, have limitations that should be considered.

EDIT#2: I personally use whey protein and I don't have any agenda here to push soy products. I just didn't want someone to read your 44% figure and believe that their soy protein isn't going to work for their goals.

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ctooch99

I was stoked about P90X and Beachbody until the flood of MLM drones all seeking my entry into their DOOMED -TO-FAIL pyramid business.
It's like Amway.
I booted about 20 people from FB - about as many here along with other network marketing "opportunitiy" *kitten* who badger friends and family into submission for their "down-line".

It's ABSURD!
COUNT ME OUT :noway:

Exactly!

ctooch99

It does bother me that they are a multi-level marketing program. I find it deters largely from the few quality products they have. I love Insanity but every time I bring it up i get 23432423 "coaches" wanting to help me lol. I find they are losing credibility at this point.

Exactly and it is really bumming me out because I really like P90X, but I don't see myself buying anymore Beach Body products in the future because of all the recent negative experiences I have had with them...

ctooch99

Bobby..be careful what you say in writing...I would expect that from a high school kid on my bus but from an adult? Really...smh! And for the record, Bobby, I did NOT peak through your diary and knock the fact that YOU were using soy protein. It was my STATUS UPDATE on MFP stating that all of the protein powders and bars at Walmart contained soy protein and/or artificial ingredients, which I choose NOT to put in MY body, that YOU JUMPED all over me about! If you want to consume protein that you're body will only absorb 44% of, that's YOUR problem, not MINE! To each his own!

I am a Beachbody coach and what qualifies me to help people lose weight is that I lost 70lbs back in 1987 and have kept it off! I do not pretend to know everything about fitness and nutrition, I just tell people what works for ME like I have been doing for over 20 years anyway. But I don't badger people with sales pitches all the time, either, like a lot of coaches do and it annoys me too because that's not how Beachbody wants us to conduct business. What I do with Beacbhbody is I share MY experience, strength, and hope with people who have the same problem as I do. If you ask me what I do to look like I do at 40, I will tell you that I drink Shakeology, because I do, and that I do Beachbody fitness programs, because I do! But I will never try to sell people something they don't want. That's not what I'm about!

Oh and Bobby...watch who you call dimwit. I forgot what you know about 10yrs ago there buddy...lol

Sorry. not digging the hardcore pushy Sales BS now being used by Beach Body you may want to relay that to the top - I won't be buying anymore BB products personally... you guys are way too intrusive and pushy now. It's a shame because the original P90X rocks...

Bobby_Clerici

Bobby..be careful what you say in writing...I would expect that from a high school kid on my bus but from an adult? Really...smh! And for the record, Bobby, I did NOT peak through your diary and knock the fact that YOU were using soy protein. It was my STATUS UPDATE on MFP stating that all of the protein powders and bars at Walmart contained soy protein and/or artificial ingredients, which I choose NOT to put in MY body, that YOU JUMPED all over me about! If you want to consume protein that you're body will only absorb 44% of, that's YOUR problem, not MINE! To each his own!

I am a Beachbody coach and what qualifies me to help people lose weight is that I lost 70lbs back in 1987 and have kept it off! I do not pretend to know everything about fitness and nutrition, I just tell people what works for ME like I have been doing for over 20 years anyway. But I don't badger people with sales pitches all the time, either, like a lot of coaches do and it annoys me too because that's not how Beachbody wants us to conduct business. What I do with Beacbhbody is I share MY experience, strength, and hope with people who have the same problem as I do. If you ask me what I do to look like I do at 40, I will tell you that I drink Shakeology, because I do, and that I do Beachbody fitness programs, because I do! But I will never try to sell people something they don't want. That's not what I'm about!

Oh and Bobby...watch who you call dimwit. I forgot what you know about 10yrs ago there buddy...lol

Sorry. not digging the hardcore pushy Sales BS now being used by Beach Body you may want to relay that to the top - I won't be buying anymore BB products personally... you guys are way too intrusive and pushy now. It's a shame because the original P90X rocks...

Pushy and dishonest? These are the watch words of most MLM "businesses opportunities".

Bobby_Clerici

Bobby..be careful what you say in writing...I would expect that from a high school kid on my bus but from an adult? Really...smh! And for the record, Bobby, I did NOT peak through your diary and knock the fact that YOU were using soy protein. It was my STATUS UPDATE on MFP stating that all of the protein powders and bars at Walmart contained soy protein and/or artificial ingredients, which I choose NOT to put in MY body, that YOU JUMPED all over me about! If you want to consume protein that you're body will only absorb 44% of, that's YOUR problem, not MINE! To each his own!

I am a Beachbody coach and what qualifies me to help people lose weight is that I lost 70lbs back in 1987 and have kept it off! I do not pretend to know everything about fitness and nutrition, I just tell people what works for ME like I have been doing for over 20 years anyway. But I don't badger people with sales pitches all the time, either, like a lot of coaches do and it annoys me too because that's not how Beachbody wants us to conduct business. What I do with Beacbhbody is I share MY experience, strength, and hope with people who have the same problem as I do. If you ask me what I do to look like I do at 40, I will tell you that I drink Shakeology, because I do, and that I do Beachbody fitness programs, because I do! But I will never try to sell people something they don't want. That's not what I'm about!

Oh and Bobby...watch who you call dimwit. I forgot what you know about 10yrs ago there buddy...lol

I think I love you.......but I don't want any BB products...

People value definitive information sharing rather than "shock and awe" high pressure sales.
See? We can agree :bigsmile:

RobynMWilson

@Bobby...it really depends on the source of the article...I can find just as many articles online that say soy is inferior to whey and casein as you can find saying it's just as good. TWO points: 1. My status update yesterday had NOTHING to do with promoting Shakeology...I'm just amazed over and over again that foods marketed as "health foods" are pumped full of preservatives and artificial flavors. If you knew me outside of MFP you would know that is an ongoing source of contention for me. But you made ASSUMPTIONS based on what you saw on MFP, which anybody with any kind of intelligence and level of maturity would know better than to do. 2. You said on THIS FORUM that some "dimwit" (hahahaha!) attacked YOUR food diary because you eat soy protein, which I NEVER DID! I UNFRIENDED YOU (let's get the facts straight there) when YOU accused me of furthering my agenda by using "scare" tactics when I talked about my BFF from high school being DX'ed with breast cancer at age 37 with no family history and she is a self-proclaimed soy and tofu junkie. There's the FACTS and then the FACTS AS YOU CHOOSE to tell them!

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ncates00

I understand the frustration with being pelted with sales calls. However, you can say no. They are a business. They are trying to make a difference in people's lives, but making money at the same time. Also, I think it is a little over generalizing to say that's all BeachBody is and that's all the MLM's do. Most coaches I have seen just throw out there what has worked for them, and you can do it or say no. That simple.

I do agree with the OP on some of the videos, however. Some of the videos seem to be infomercial in nature, which is kind of annoying when you just want to workout. I have noticed it mostly in the P90X+ videos. In the original P90X, the only thing they really talked about was having a recovery drink or a bar at the end of the workout.

In the end, it's about you. Are you going to sit there and whine about the BeachBody videos, or are you going to follow the otherwise good program and workout? I choose to just workout and stop whining. Not to say that BeachBody cant be annoying at times with their methods, but they do put out pretty good stuff.

I have used many of their programs, and I am in excellent shape now. However, I am not a coach, nor do I throw BeachBody products around. I don't even own any of their products besides the videos. I use dumbbells, yoga mat from Wal Mart, Bodylastics Resistance bands, Polar Heart Rate Monitor, Wal Mart pull up bar, and the like. Just do what works for you and stop whining about what other people do!

wellbert

Wsan't p90x designed primarily to sell supplements?