Thoughts on Paleo

UhOhItsKylie

Whoa! So much hostility about food.

To the OP, if you're looking to get some good information on Paleo and what it's about, the science behind it, ect. then you should read "The Paleo Diet" by Dr. Loren. It's very insightful!

Good luck!

BoydLabBuck

Paleo makes some sense, bt it really doesn't answer a few questions.
1. Didn't cave people die at or before age 30?
2. Didn't cave people only eat that way because that's all they had available.
And, as a side bar, I think the asian cave people probably ate rice, right? So, were focused on American cave people? LOL. This whoel part confuses the hell out of me.
3. Is there any eveidence that Paleo people are living longer than non-paleo people?
4. I thought animal meats were bad for the human body, thus the out-pouring of vegetarians and vegans? So, why did that suddenly shift?
5. If we had an unfrozen caveman suddenly appear in society, he/she would probably be stoked to eat ice cream. Just a guess, but I'm pretty sure the only reason they didn't eat ice cream is because they didn't have refrigeration. That problem is solved. So, have at it.

1. Yes, the lifespan of paleolithic people was much shorter than it is today. They had to contend with diseases/complications that are now easily prevented by modern medicine (like an infection). However, due to their diet and active lifestyle, they probably wouldn't have ever developed obesity-related diseases that many people suffer from today, like cardiovascular disease and diabetes.

2. Yes, obviously. But that's kind of part of the paleo argument - people ate certain available foods for long periods of time and therefore become "well-adapted" to eating them.
Paleolithic people are those that lived before the advent of agriculture - that's why grains and rice aren't allowed in the paleo diet.

3. I don't think so - pretty sure that the diet hasn't been around long enough to do a long-term study like that.

4. I personally see nothing wrong with meat, so I haven't ever explored that line of argument.

5. Not even touching this "question"

1. No one really did until around the 1960's or 70's.
2. But, that was just availablbility issue. It doesn't mean they would not have eaten them if they were available.
3. News flash: There never will be that study. Just a hunch though.
4. Yeah, that's the problem. Which is correct? Is meat bad or good?
5. OK, fair enough. That was a twist.

What happened in the 60's and 70's that changed the way Americans eat?

The government adopted the low fat/high carb diet as gospel. Processed foods like cereals exploded. It snowballed from there.

Every diet has the fanatics that take things to the extreme. If you are listening to people on the internet about nuances of diet, you're in for a world of misinformation and dispute.

Find someone well versed and knowledgeable about a subject (like the often mentioned Mark Sisson) read his introductory stuff, and decide for yourself if it makes sense.

It clicked for me and I've been incredibly successful following a primal diet. I'm rarely hungry after eating a normal primal meal. I tried and failed over and over again with Nutrisystem, calorie counting, low fat, etc.

Losing almost 50 lbs in 7 months on primal has been the easiest long term weight loss I've ever achieved, and no other diet came close to these results. I can't speak highly enough about how well it has worked for me.

SorchaEilis

And one more thought: I personally don't have time to grow my own food, and I live in west Texas where gardening is really kind of impossible anyway with the drought conditions, so I eat what I buy at the grocery store. I gained weight because I stopped exercising and was eating WAY too much food, not because government conspiracy is killing me. Now I eat in moderation and I exercise, and lo and behold, I'm losing weight and I feel great. And I eat carbs and cheese.

It's kind of about accountability.

Martinad28

I did the Paleo diet for 30 days and had great results. I did not follow it completely but still had lost weight.

Good Luck!

waldo56

Take gluten and dairy for example, I am a person who has no problem eating gluten and is not lactose intolerant...why should I completely eliminate these foods instead of just having them in moderation within a balanced diet?

Ummmm hello, inflammation.

Even if you don't know that you have it, it is there, making you feel forever less good. Chemicals from processed foods will build up in this inflammation and will give you cancer. The inflammation will cause nutrients to not work and not be absorbed and you will not be healthy. This will cause large insulin spikes when you eat any food containing even a grain of processed sugar which will make you fat and make it impossible to diet off.

Your trying to tell me everyone who consumes gluten and dairy get cancer?

Apparently some don't see the blatant sarcasm in my post.

The comedy of which is the not sarcastic post immediately following mine. LOL.

Paleo is the cure to all that could possibly ail you. If everyone were Paleo, medicine and doctors would be obsolete.

dmpizza

The premise of the Paleo diet is absurd.
People were ENORMOUSLY UNHEALTHY in prehistoric times.
They died at 40 or earlier.
Why would you want to emulate any part of that? Are we all just getting stupider?

wewon

The premise of the Paleo diet is absurd.
People were ENORMOUSLY UNHEALTHY in prehistoric times.
They died at 40 or earlier.
Why would you want to emulate any part of that? Are we all just getting stupider?

What all do you know about it beside the basic premise?

Is the diet otherwise not sound?

neverstray

My thoughts on the paleo diet: The full name of the program is the paleolithic diet. Paleolithic people? Cavemen. Out of necessity, cavemen were nomadic and couldn't really farm all that much, so the only growing things they could eat were things they foraged, and they couldn't farm cattle for dairy. They subsisted primarily on meat and fat, because that's what you get when you have to hunt for your food. But they were also extremely active, since survival kind of depended on it- they had to hunt, they had to be able to escape predators, they had to walk from place to place, and meat and fat provide the necessary energy for that kind of life. We aren't cavemen though. We tend to drive everywhere, we aren't running from predators on a regular basis, and we simply don't need as many calories as cavemen did. So while some of the concepts of the paleo diet are good, I really don't think it's somthing to get religious about unless you need to for health reasons. I'm not lactose intolerant, I don't have celiac disease, and I'm not diabetic. Dairy and grains are certainly not poisonous, and they aren't going to kill me.

Regarding 'inflammation' caused by dairy and grains: Well, my energy levels are fine, the only joint pain I have is from an injury, and the basic science of calories in vs. calories out seems to work fine for weight loss as long as I exercise (and I'm almost 32, so I don't have some crazy metabolism like a kid) I don't really see how this could be a hidden problem that I don't realize I have. It's a gimick.

My point in a nut shell: I suppose paleo can work for you, but I don't really think it's necessary.

This is always my main point, i.e., the paleolithic man only ate what was available because that's the only choice they had. It wasn't for any other reason. So, to now hold it up on a pedestal is silly.

There was a book written in the 60's or 70's called "Mucusless Diet Healing System" by Arnold Ehret.

The Paleo stuff is not new or revolutionary.

klgglasgow

Not all Paleos are crazed and will spout out that this way of eating and living is the "best" for everyone. I follow a pretty strict Paleo diet except for the occasional cheese (gfcheddar) or alcoholic drinks. I love what it's done for my body. It's not really about weight loss. I do count calories...otherwise I wouldn't be on MFP. It's about not putting toxins into your body by way of processed foods. It's eating real foods prepared by yourself, and enjoying how they make you feel. I've never been happier & healthier. My body fat % has dropped significantly since going Paleo. However, if you find some other way of eating and living works better for you, I think that's awesome. Not all Paleos crush vegans, vegetarians, etc. I do think grains & gluten are potentially toxic to your body, though. And...I do think that getting your carbs from limited fruits and lots of veggies is the way to go...for me. Some of you are spouting off lies about the way Paleo people act. You're being very stereotypical. Not all of us are SAD-haters. Everyone should experiment with food and different ways of eating to find the way that makes them happiest & healthiest. SAD did NOT work for me....but Paleo does. I have abs for the first time in my life...without doing a million crunches either! I have less cellulite (actually hardly any now!) since doing Paleo. I never feel deprived. If I want something SAD...I will, but I know that it's going to make me feel like ****. I eat out all the time. I don't preach to my non-Paleo friends ever. Please don't make broad generalizations about ALL Paleos unless you've really talked to us.

MonkRocker

Hey all - first time poster here.

I thoroughly researched the Paleo diet a while back and encountered the same odd dogmatism I am seeing here. It caused me to develop a new rule when looking for any kind of dietary or medical advice: listen to the guy who's not trying to sell you anything, be it book, miracle food or supplement.

What I did find is this:

http://www.archevore.com/

A blog written by a doctor who started out as being intrigued by the Paleo diet, but decided to eliminate any parts of hit he found to be pure fantasy. He clearly explains his reasons why, and his diet goes like this: Here are 12 rules. Start at the top and adopt as many as you feel comfortable with. The End.

He ranks them in order of importance, and most importantly - he explains WHY he ranks them that way. And perhaps most importantly of all - he gives all this advice away for free. There's no book, no video, no supplements, nothing at all to buy.

I have heard his diet referred to as "Paleo 2.0". And I think even he would balk at the concept of someone being ridiculously dogmatic and making inflammatory statements like "you will get cancer if you keep eating that" or whatever.

Anyway. I tried and enjoyed it for a while before falling off the wagon. Check it out. Perhaps it will work for you.

Good luck.

GC_Hutson

Being a neanderthal myself, I can say with definitive authority that cavemen are absolutely saturated with pure awesomeness.

That being said, we cavemen are not exactly known for our "healthy lifestyles." I would closely scrutinize any "diet" from a group of people who's average life-expectancy was 23, and anyone living past 30 was "really, really, really f**king old."

mmarcy7

My crossfit instructor recommended that I start a paleo diet...does anyone have any experience with this diets? What are your thoughts? Any tips with starting out?

Thanks!

Try it for 3-4 weeks, see how you feel. If you don't like it/don't see results/don't feel good, stop doing it. I follow a Primal way of eating and my health is better and the weight is coming off without feeling like I am "sacrificing" anything. It's not for everyone.

Spanaval

Is the diet otherwise not sound?

There isn't anything particularly wrong with the diet itself, other than villification of foods that are JUST FINE. I personally couldn't/wouldn't do it because a) there is no scientific basis that establishes that this way of eating is healthier than a well balanced diet and b) it pretty much cuts out a huge number of foods that I couldn't live without.

But, if you have carbs/sugars are eeevil leanings, this might be an easy diet for you to follow/get behind.

WendyTerry420

[I believe the issue with chickpeas is that they're cultivated. The entire philosophy behind paleo seems to be that as soon as we settled down to farm we began to do ourselves in through a diet of grains, legumes, dairy and fruit.

Yes, as evidenced by the increasing longer life spans. :laugh:

Michelle81285

I am on the paleo diet and I love it. I have had great results from it. Although sometimes I do have a fat free diary product but that is only about once a week because I love diary, but it doesn't love me!

WendyTerry420

And one more thought: I personally don't have time to grow my own food, and I live in west Texas where gardening is really kind of impossible anyway with the drought conditions, so I eat what I buy at the grocery store. I gained weight because I stopped exercising and was eating WAY too much food, not because government conspiracy is killing me. Now I eat in moderation and I exercise, and lo and behold, I'm losing weight and I feel great. And I eat carbs and cheese.

It's kind of about accountability.

Amen! Same here!

NBabi91

The grain hate is strong. I shall go die in my grain loving bliss! Fiber one cookie here I come!

laus_8882

[I believe the issue with chickpeas is that they're cultivated. The entire philosophy behind paleo seems to be that as soon as we settled down to farm we began to do ourselves in through a diet of grains, legumes, dairy and fruit.

Yes, as evidenced by the increasing longer life spans. :laugh:

Nuh uh. Everyone knows it's healthier to live hand to mouth, totally dependent on catching and finding your food than it is to stockpile grain and legumes for lean periods. Starving to death is so much more fun than suffering the indignity of a barley pilaf with lentils and a few dried apricots.

trey4cubs

Being a neanderthal myself, I can say with definitive authority that cavemen are absolutely saturated with pure awesomeness.

That being said, we cavemen are not exactly known for our "healthy lifestyles." I would closely scrutinize any "diet" from a group of people who's average life-expectancy was 23, and anyone living past 30 was "really, really, really f**king old."

yeah, they died because they would snap an ankle and couldn't outrun tigers.... not from type 2 diabetes! Give a caveman today's modern medicine and he'll be active and healthy into his 90's!

WendyTerry420

[I believe the issue with chickpeas is that they're cultivated. The entire philosophy behind paleo seems to be that as soon as we settled down to farm we began to do ourselves in through a diet of grains, legumes, dairy and fruit.

Yes, as evidenced by the increasing longer life spans. :laugh:

Nuh uh. Everyone knows it's healthier to live hand to mouth, totally dependent on catching and finding your food than it is to stockpile grain and legumes for lean periods. Starving to death is so much more fun than suffering the indignity of a barley pilaf with lentils and a few dried apricots.

teeheehee:laugh: