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amruden

Help solve a fight.




You will no gain weight if you eat a NO fat diet, and eat 10,000 calories.
Because it is the Fat in food that stored as Fat.


What is your thought on this statement!?

Hendrix7

It's completely idiotic.

Excess energy (calories) are stored as fat, regardless of if they come from fat, carbs or protein.

amruden

Thank you.


Now how are excess calories stored??

EDIT: beat me to it!!

goddamnelectric

You can't eat that many cals without gaining whether or not you include fats.

sherronh

**slaps head** the person who said that needs a couple of serious health classes lol

amruden

THANK YOU ALL!!

Jeramie1

How does my body take my baby carrot and turn it into a glob of fat?
If my body does take all of the extra calories I eat and turn it into fat, why do I poo?
If I were to eat 10,000 cals of carrots in one day, will I gain 3 lbs of body fat?

Please, don't respond "your an idiot" or something else just as clever. This isn't craigslist.
I know the answer, and asking for information supporting your own reasoning. Thank you

JuneBPrice

Lies. Remember that episode of Seinfeld?

rgrange

That is literally one of the stupidest things I have ever read.

kaotik26

Actually I would like to ask the same question as Jeramie, because I don't know the answer and I think it's a valid point

Crochetluvr

Didn't somebody recently post the same thing as the OP?

Shannota

Didn't somebody recently post the same thing as the OP?

I think that one was that you can't gain weight if all you eat is 10,000 calories of fat. I think his premise was that fat doesn't cause an insulin reaction...or something like that.

ScottCadi

How does my body take my baby carrot and turn it into a glob of fat?
If my body does take all of the extra calories I eat and turn it into fat, why do I poo?
If I were to eat 10,000 cals of carrots in one day, will I gain 3 lbs of body fat?

Please, don't respond "your an idiot" or something else just as clever. This isn't craigslist.
I know the answer, and asking for information supporting your own reasoning. Thank you

The baby carrot has a certain amount of complex carb in it. That carb lets the body know that the pancreas needs to supply insulin, which in turn tells the blood to bring that to the muscles or the liver to process it. It burns about 10% of it in the process, than, if you're a super athlete, burns a smaller percentage into glucosage (spelling/word?), which is stored in the muscle. The rest gets burned as energy or converted into fat.

You won't gain 3 pounds, you probably won't gain anything but a ruptured rectum from the remains (fiber cannot be processed by the body, and helps flush the bowels), but theoretically, you could gain a modest amount.

Katahna

When you have spare cash at the end of the week, you save it, and the amount gets bigger.

If you spend it, nothing to save

kaotik26

How does my body take my baby carrot and turn it into a glob of fat?
If my body does take all of the extra calories I eat and turn it into fat, why do I poo?
If I were to eat 10,000 cals of carrots in one day, will I gain 3 lbs of body fat?

Please, don't respond "your an idiot" or something else just as clever. This isn't craigslist.
I know the answer, and asking for information supporting your own reasoning. Thank you

The baby carrot has a certain amount of complex carb in it. That carb lets the body know that the pancreas needs to supply insulin, which in turn tells the blood to bring that to the muscles or the liver to process it. It burns about 10% of it in the process, than, if you're a super athlete, burns a smaller percentage into glucosage (spelling/word?), which is stored in the muscle. The rest gets burned as energy or converted into fat.

You won't gain 3 pounds, you probably won't gain anything but a ruptured rectum from the remains (fiber cannot be processed by the body, and helps flush the bowels), but theoretically, you could gain a modest amount.

Heh, there we go! Thank you!

Homer3D

Each body has a fats cells. Fat cells store energy. We consume units of energy called calories. It doesn't matter where those calories are coming from, it is all stored in the body in the fat cells.

As we burn off calories, it uses that stored energy to provide the body with the fuel it needs to do those tasks. If your intake of calories is more than what you spend, your body will store the calories in these fats cells for later use. Should this be a regular occurrence, you gain weight because of all the stored calories.

Regardless if the calories come from fats, carbohydrates or proteins, the extra calories are stored as fat in fat cells. When your body needs to use stored fat for energy, fat is released from the cells and the cells shrink. This is why you look leaner when you lose body fat - because your fat cells are now smaller.

MSepp

Help solve a fight.




You will no gain weight if you eat a NO fat diet, and eat 10,000 calories.
Because it is the Fat in food that stored as Fat.


What is your thought on this statement!?

It's basic nutrition. All macronutrients contain calories.

Protein=4 kcals/gm
Carbohydrate=4 kcals/gm
Fat=9 kcals/gm
Alcohol=7 kcals/gm

So yes, protein and carbohydrates contain fewer calories per gram...the reason many people lean toward a low fat (or...I have to say IMPOSSIBLE "No Fat") diet is because fat is actually more difficult to break down than carbohydrate.

That being said, it's impossible to achieve a no fat diet...fat is in small amounts in lots of food that you may not think about.

In the end it's like money. Calories can be spent in different areas. Fat has more calories per gram so maybe that's the reasoning...but I would have to say that whoever is making this statement obviously has no clue what they are talking about.

gramacanada

Your body turns any excess calories into fat. Doesn't matter what you eat. it makes poo because every food has bits your body can't use. It has to come out , it removes toxins. you need to eat some fat because your brain fuels itself with it. It's pretty easy to get this information from your public library. Or google. not a matter of intelligence, just knowledge.

Homer3D

I should also add that having a high fat diet will increase your total caloric intake since the number of calories per fat gram is much higher than carbs/protien.

Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories
Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories
Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calories

MSepp

Your body turns any excess calories into fat. Doesn't matter what you eat. it makes poo because every food has bits your body can't use. It has to come out , it removes toxins. you need to eat some fat because your brain fuels itself with it. It's pretty easy to get this information from your public library. Or google. not a matter of intelligence, just knowledge.

Yes...that.

Jeramie1

I was the other person having the discussion with the OP. My dietician and I have had several conversations about this (I actually have been to a few of them over the years). I have done my own research into the subject as well. It is a multi-layered question without any good answer.
Here is how it can be explained for those of you whom just reply with nonsensical replies. Let me preface this by saying "this is not the published results from my 20 year study from a scientific view". It is like one of those yogurts with real fruit. You have to get through the yogurt on top (cals) before you can get to the fruit on the bottom (fat). Everybody is different. Some have more yogurt to burn before they get to the fruit, others have less. Some people have a yogurt that comes pre-mixed.
My point to the OP was that just because somebody eats 10,000 cals in a day or even per day does not automatically mean you will be obese. To prove my point I used baby carrots as an example. I am sure I would have gotten a different response if I used something that is full of fat like....deep fried chicken skin or deep fried bacon.

Jeramie1

Your body turns any excess calories into fat. Doesn't matter what you eat. it makes poo because every food has bits your body can't use. It has to come out , it removes toxins. you need to eat some fat because your brain fuels itself with it. It's pretty easy to get this information from your public library. Or google. not a matter of intelligence, just knowledge.

I am going to require a broader explanation on this.
You are saying that my body will turn excess cals into fat, so whatever i eat that isn't calories gets turned into poo?
On a side note, can you give me the definition of "toxins" and the chemical makeup of some? The reason I ask is because too many people out there are selling snake oil products that "remove toxins from your body". I think that there is something to the idea of toxins, but it has been clouded by sham artists.

riley_ransom

ok first 10000 calories of baby carrots is roughly 66.1386lbs of baby frickin carrots!!!! not sure you could survive that, you would end up like the glutton on the movie "seven"... I cant get past this to even think about this argument...

Crochetluvr

Didn't somebody recently post the same thing as the OP?

I think that one was that you can't gain weight if all you eat is 10,000 calories of fat. I think his premise was that fat doesn't cause an insulin reaction...or something like that.

Ohhh...the exact opposite! 10,000 must be a magic number...LOL! No wonder its confusing. :ohwell:

Jeramie1

It's completely idiotic.

Excess energy (calories) are stored as fat, regardless of if they come from fat, carbs or protein.

Prove me wrong by telling me HOW. **EDITED** I want to hear how my body can turn a banana into body fat. I want to know how my body turns broccoli into body fat. I don't want to argue, I am asking how it happens.

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ephemerata

You are saying that my body will turn excess cals into fat, so whatever i eat that isn't calories gets turned into poo?

it seems like the entire basis of your argument is upon the faulty logic that we poop unabsorbed calories. fecal matter is not calories that were not absorbed by the body. fecal matter is a combination of water, protein, bacterium, mucus and other liquids produced by the body as well as insoluble fiber.

it's not a multi-layered question with no good answer.

the answers are scientific. you just need to know where to look.

every food contains macronutrients. our bodies break these down differently. but ultimately, if you consume 10,000 calories per day and burn 10,000 calories a day plus your basal metabolic rate, you will lose weight. if you only burn 2,000 calories per day but consume 10,000 calories per day, that leaves you with a surplus of 7,000 calories. one pound is 3500 calories. in that day that you consumed roughly 7,000 extra calories, you would gain 2 pounds.

ephemerata

Prove me wrong by telling me HOW. I want to hear how my body can turn a banana into body fat. I want to know how my body turns broccoli into body fat. I don't want to argue, I am asking how it happens.

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m60kaf

I was the other person having the discussion with the OP. My dietician and I have had several conversations about this (I actually have been to a few of them over the years). I have done my own research into the subject as well. It is a multi-layered question without any good answer.
Here is how it can be explained for those of you whom just reply with nonsensical replies. Let me preface this by saying "this is not the published results from my 20 year study from a scientific view". It is like one of those yogurts with real fruit. You have to get through the yogurt on top (cals) before you can get to the fruit on the bottom (fat). Everybody is different. Some have more yogurt to burn before they get to the fruit, others have less. Some people have a yogurt that comes pre-mixed.
My point to the OP was that just because somebody eats 10,000 cals in a day or even per day does not automatically mean you will be obese. To prove my point I used baby carrots as an example. I am sure I would have gotten a different response if I used something that is full of fat like....deep fried chicken skin or deep fried bacon.

I understand you are theorizing a principle here and not suggesting people go on a 10,000 cal a day carrot diet

However unless you are a seriously energetic athlete you will be over your daily maintain by APPROX 7200 cals = 2lb of excess weight per day . Obese in about 2 months?

You cant beat calories 3600=1lb doesnt matter what they are made out of. The carrot diet would work because you would never even eat to the maintain cals. All diets manipulate macros to overall reduce calories. 'Well designed' ones do it to fail because they don't get rid of concepts like "its everyone else's fault", "The fit muscled guy has it easy - he doesn't know what it is like to work for something, metabolism, "This 10000cal fat only diet would work" this keeps you hooked and in denial

foxyforce

there is a gram of fat for every so many cals, so it makes no sense.

m60kaf

It's completely idiotic.

Excess energy (calories) are stored as fat, regardless of if they come from fat, carbs or protein.

Prove me wrong by telling me HOW. I want to hear how my body can turn a banana into body fat. I want to know how my body turns broccoli into body fat. I don't want to argue, I am asking how it happens.

Fat does Not Make You Fat.

One of the other huge myths is that fat makes you fat. It doesn't. When you eat fat, your body has to break it down into its little building blocks and then absorb the pieces. The fat you have in your body is not the same as the fat you eat. In fact, the fat naturally found in whole foods is fat you actually need for your body to function properly.

Essential Fatty Acids are the name given to the types of fat that you need to eat. This is why they are called essential. Your body cannot make them, you must eat them. And these essential fatty acids are only found with fat that naturally occurs in whole food. What are these essential fatty acids used for in your body? Well, literally everything.

Every cell in your body is partly made up of these essential fatty acids. To breathe, to have your heart beat, to run, walk, think, to make hormones, to remember anything, you need essential fatty acids for all of these and basically, to live. And if you don't eat them in the food you eat, your body will not function properly. And the only place you can find essential fatty acids is in food that has naturally occurring fat in them. So if you try and cut fat out of your body, you will actually be causing harm and not really be doing anything to get rid of the fat already in your body.

So what is one of the main causes of being fat. Sugar and refined carbohydrates. NO, not again with the sugar, you might be saying. Yes, Sugar and refined carbohydrates are really one of the main causes in many problems we as humans face today. You can pretend it is not true, you can believe it is not true, but no matter how you try and avoid it, sugar and refined carbohydrates will still negatively impact you weather you want them to or not. And whether or not you believe they will or not.

How does sugar and refined carbohydrates make you fat? It is really simple. You have a relatively set amount of fat cells in your body. It is just a matter of how big your fat cells are.

So what affects the size of your fat cells? Sugar. Because glucose is what is stored in your fat cells. And there is a little "gate" that controls the movement of sugar in and out of your fat cells. And the key to this little gate is insulin. Insulin is the key that opens the gates to the fat cells and allows excess glucose in the blood to go into the fat cells. So if you never eat anything that raises your blood sugar levels beyond normal, your body will not release insulin, and you will not get bigger fat cells.

The body releases insulin to lower blood sugar levels that are too high. So Sugar and refined carbohydrates are actually what are one of the biggest contributing factors to why people are overweight.

The ironic part of all of this, is that when you get food that has "artificially" been made to be low fat, you know what they usually put in when they take out the fat? Sugar. They usually add the very thing that contributes to people being fat when they are trying to make something that many people think is helping them not be fat. Fat does not make you fat. In fact, you need the essential fatty acids found in fat to live. Sugar is one of the biggest contributing factors to what makes you fat.

lyttlewon

Your body turns any excess calories into fat. Doesn't matter what you eat. it makes poo because every food has bits your body can't use. It has to come out , it removes toxins. you need to eat some fat because your brain fuels itself with it. It's pretty easy to get this information from your public library. Or google. not a matter of intelligence, just knowledge.

I am going to require a broader explanation on this.
You are saying that my body will turn excess cals into fat, so whatever i eat that isn't calories gets turned into poo?
On a side note, can you give me the definition of "toxins" and the chemical makeup of some? The reason I ask is because too many people out there are selling snake oil products that "remove toxins from your body". I think that there is something to the idea of toxins, but it has been clouded by sham artists.

Here is an interesting thing about poop. Infants who are exclusively fed human milk will reach a point in their development where they will not produce any poop because their bodies are using everything in the milk. At a baseline minimum you only are required by the body to poop when it replenishes digestive fluids and such. Some infants this is a week, with others efficiently burning their food with no waste up to a month at a time. So in theory if we were eating a food that was more usable by the body we would stop pooping.