Obesity is caused by too much sugar not ingesting fat!

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  • VisBella
    VisBella Posts: 21 Member
    http://www.theketogenicdiet.org/keto-videos/

    For those looking for a good and easy explanation of how fat and carbohydrates affect fat metabolism and overall health, check out http://www.theketogenicdiet.org/keto-videos/ . There are several videos, but I recommend checking out Gary Taubes “Why We Get Fat” first. Then scroll down to the bottom and watch “Enjoy Eating Saturated Fats: They’re Good for You,” by Dr. Donald Miller.

    It was a shock to discover that the “expert advice” that we grew up with that “saturated fat is bad for you” is NOT backed up by scientific research. However, there is plenty of research that demonstrates that a high fat/adequate protein/low carbohydrate is a very healthy way to live even after you’ve lost all the weight you want.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    http://www.theketogenicdiet.org/keto-videos/

    For those looking for a good and easy explanation of how fat and carbohydrates affect fat metabolism and overall health, check out http://www.theketogenicdiet.org/keto-videos/ . There are several videos, but I recommend checking out Gary Taubes “Why We Get Fat” first. Then scroll down to the bottom and watch “Enjoy Eating Saturated Fats: They’re Good for You,” by Dr. Donald Miller.

    It was a shock to discover that the “expert advice” that we grew up with that “saturated fat is bad for you” is NOT backed up by scientific research. However, there is plenty of research that demonstrates that a high fat/adequate protein/low carbohydrate is a very healthy way to live even after you’ve lost all the weight you want.

    So is a moderate fat/moderate protein/moderate carb diet.
  • alexis831
    alexis831 Posts: 469 Member
    Can't believe how many people are believing this stuff they are pushing to the public! Seriously! I am just going to re-post what I posted yesterday. Wish people would stop spreading around things like the sugar or whatever made me fat. Its all about how much you eat.

    If you guys looked at my diet you would crap your pants at the amount of candy bars and ice cream I consume in a week/day. Its calories in and calories out not sugar or carbs or protein, seriously stop posting lies. Think I am on twix bar #6, little debbie #5 for this last week and I stopped counting how many cookies I ingested or ice cream because I ran out of fingers and toes to count them on (typing as I finish my chocolate chip mint ice cream). Oww I also ate 5 chocolate chip cookies Sunday not including the 4 snickerdoodles I ingested! Oh and donuts... had 2 of those last Thursday & Friday and yesterday and today and taco bell and wendy's owww and 4 strawberry shortcakes. Mmm. The only thing healthy I ate today was the sausage that I dripped in cheese and syrup and shoved in between two pieces of white processed bread. The hot dog for dinner wasn't very "healthy" either neither were the sour cream and onion chips. I'm at 16.3% body fat as of today from 25% after birth. I normally am around 18-20%. Going for 15% maybe 14%... we will see....

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    Its the deficit people and its about how your body responds to certain things and how they make you feel! So stop posting stuff that isn't true. If it works for your great but it is because you are in a deficit. It derails the newbies who then go on this kick thinking its not how much you eat but what then they are messaging me all freaked out because its been 3 months and they haven't lost anything and their wedding is in 90 days! Nock off the crap will yah!

    Personally, I think it's both WHAT you AND how much that creates long term, sustainable success.

    Sustainable? I ate this way my whole life. I have been in the 114-118 lb range and the 16-20% body fat range my whole life except when I gained a whole 20 pounds when I was pregnant. I say a good 30 years of not ever being "over weight" except for a whole month or two after birth is a pretty good indicator of sustainable success wouldn't you? My dad is 72... I think he just hit 138 pounds... its because he is active and doesn't go over his calories often. He loves his cookies and soda and occasional beer. That is sustainable.
  • cunfewzed1
    cunfewzed1 Posts: 80
    Sustainable? I ate this way my whole life. I have been in the 114-118 lb range and the 16-20% body fat range my whole life except when I gained a whole 20 pounds when I was pregnant. I say a good 30 years of not ever being "over weight" except for a whole month or two after birth is a pretty good indicator of sustainable success wouldn't you? My dad is 72... I think he just hit 138 pounds... its because he is active and doesn't go over his calories often. He loves his cookies and soda and occasional beer. That is sustainable.

    Well, you've just made your theory less plausible.

    You were blessed with good genes. You're definitely celebrating it. Kudos for that much. Other people with different genes and body structures (actually, most people) aren't as lucky as you or your father are. It works the same way that NFL athletes are gifted with greater talents than the rest of us. Other people can't eat whatever they want and stay thin. Please, by all means, continue to enjoy it, but you're the exception, you're not proving any sort of rule.

    Yay, high metabolism. Make sure you clean up your empty wrappers.
  • bazfitness
    bazfitness Posts: 275 Member
    Can't believe how many people are believing this stuff they are pushing to the public! Seriously! I am just going to re-post what I posted yesterday. Wish people would stop spreading around things like the sugar or whatever made me fat. Its all about how much you eat.

    If you guys looked at my diet you would crap your pants at the amount of candy bars and ice cream I consume in a week/day. Its calories in and calories out not sugar or carbs or protein, seriously stop posting lies. Think I am on twix bar #6, little debbie #5 for this last week and I stopped counting how many cookies I ingested or ice cream because I ran out of fingers and toes to count them on (typing as I finish my chocolate chip mint ice cream). Oww I also ate 5 chocolate chip cookies Sunday not including the 4 snickerdoodles I ingested! Oh and donuts... had 2 of those last Thursday & Friday and yesterday and today and taco bell and wendy's owww and 4 strawberry shortcakes. Mmm. The only thing healthy I ate today was the sausage that I dripped in cheese and syrup and shoved in between two pieces of white processed bread. The hot dog for dinner wasn't very "healthy" either neither were the sour cream and onion chips. I'm at 16.3% body fat as of today from 25% after birth. I normally am around 18-20%. Going for 15% maybe 14%... we will see....

    12543920_9539.jpg

    12543920_6796.jpg

    12543920_1368.jpg

    Its the deficit people and its about how your body responds to certain things and how they make you feel! So stop posting stuff that isn't true. If it works for your great but it is because you are in a deficit. It derails the newbies who then go on this kick thinking its not how much you eat but what then they are messaging me all freaked out because its been 3 months and they haven't lost anything and their wedding is in 90 days! Nock off the crap will yah!

    Well deficit is defo a starting point for losing weight and perhaps you are blessed with great genes, but regardless of weight loss or gain goals there are all sorts of links with eating crap processed food and a whole range of health problems, so I would say in that regard at least it's your post that is the untrue one as it offers false hope that people can eat any old junk and not suffer consquences! I'm sure many people in this thread will view your obviously great figure and your 'liberating' post as a good reason for them to continue eating the same crap food also. I won't be following!
  • texastango
    texastango Posts: 309
    Agree with this statement. The problem is generally not in the high protein. It's the high fat that causes the issue as I alluded to before.
    It is worth pointing out that Atkins dieters generally have good total / HDL cholesterol ratios and hence reduced risk of CVD. Many report reductions in total cholesterol through reduced carbs.

    That and the waning of the lipid hypothesis mean the fat content isn't something to keep me awake at night.

    I'm late coming back to this but once again DeadVm is correct here. Dieting in general will lower HDL. Lower HDL isn't always a bad thing though as it's been shown to be a double edged sword. A community in Europe has very low HDL levels and one would assume they would have a higher than normal risk for heart disease and stroke. NOT SO. It turns out their HDLs (now called "Super HDLs") have marked anti-inflammatory abilities and when injected into rats with accelerated atherosclerotic disease actually reversed the condition.

    Our HDLs, as we diet, may drop but they also may become more anti-inflammatory and thereby more helpful in preventing heart disease. More research is needed. So your assumption of good Chol/HDL ratio in Adkin's Dieters may need some revision as a marker for CAD (Coronary Artery Disease).

    One last thing - (right..like it will be the last thing) - dieting reduces your resting metabolic rate (RMR). Exercise in dieters has been shown time and time again NOT (I repeat NOT) to significantly raise your RMR...in fact...as you loose weight...your RMR continues to drop. Sucks huh! Most calorie burns (here on MFP) and estimates have less of an effect than you would expect had your RMR not been dropping....if it were stable.

    You can figure out your real RMR at the moment (until you lose more weight) by getting a Metabolic Cart for about 75 dollars. It will determine your real RMR rather than those formulated by many different equations including the most accurate (accepted by the ADA) Mifflin-St. Joer. This equation was backed by metabolic cart data. Problem is I believe this only provides information to help you maintain a given weight if you are not dieting. (ie...the rates may be artificially high for dieters whose rates are dropping below what a given setpoint would normally demand).

    Keep it real!
  • texastango
    texastango Posts: 309
    http://www.theketogenicdiet.org/keto-videos/

    It was a shock to discover that the “expert advice” that we grew up with that “saturated fat is bad for you” is NOT backed up by scientific research. However, there is plenty of research that demonstrates that a high fat/adequate protein/low carbohydrate is a very healthy way to live even after you’ve lost all the weight you want.

    This is just plain wrong and I have numerous studies and links to refute it. Harvard did many studies many years ago to show that in fact saturated fat is bad for you. Fats should be Heart Healthy fats - High in Omega Three or monounsaturated. You are right - in that there are other factors that play a role. New data suggest that only 1/3rd of the people who suffer MI (myocardial infarction - heart attack) have what would be considered significant coronary vascular disease. So nearly 67 percent of those that suffer MI do so for other reasons - and that's a discussion best held elsewhere. It flips our traditional model of CAD on it's head.

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/

    In addition, carbs are an essential source of energy. If not exercising carbs/'sugars with low GL (glycemic loads) are better because they do not spike insulin levels. You can't just use GI (Glycemic Index) because Watermelon (love watermelon) has a relatively high GI but because it's so low in carb per ounce/gram a normal portion has a very low GL despite a high GI. Bottom line is that if you eat a normal amount your GL is low. So insulin doesn't spike.

    If you are exercising you need carbs (4:1 ration in recovery Carbs to Protein) and carbs during exercise for Maximum performance if your exercise is prolonged (meaning over 45 min to 1 hour). Sugars with a higher GI were better because they get in when you need them and you can utilize them as an exogenous energy source. Using a varied number of sugars was also better in that each sugar has it's own "carrier" that moves the sugar from the intestine into your cells. Ie glucose, sucrose, and maltodextran were shown to move the fastest, with fructose being twice as slow. In addition, fructose by itself had little impact unless combined with other sugars. Look in Gatorade. First couple of ingredients are Sucrose and glucose. That's on purpose. It speeds MPS and ATP synthesis rates nearly doubling the rate over Fructose.

    So, the statement that high fat/low carbs is the answer - might work for you - but in general is not the advice of experts today. Adequate carb intake - only to supply your needs. Protein, carbs, and fat need to be adjusted based on individual needs. One size does not fit all.

    If you question this read the literature, go to the SCAN website, or request references.
  • texastango
    texastango Posts: 309
    From the Harvard School of Public Health (excerpted) Why hasn't cutting fat from the diet paid off as expected? Detailed research—much of it done at Harvard—shows that the total amount of fat in the diet isn't really linked with weight or disease. What really matters is the type of fat and the total calories in the diet. (7-15) Bad fats, meaning trans and saturated fats, increase the risk for certain diseases. Good fats, meaning monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats, do just the opposite. They are good for the heart and most other parts of the body

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/
  • slkehl
    slkehl Posts: 3,801 Member
    fat is not made of 3 glucose molecules... and I'm a chemistry major taking Biochem II currently, we just did fat metabolism. Where did you get your info from?

    While a fat molecules is NOT three linked glucose molecules, which would be a starch, your body can create a fatty acid using three glucose molecules. One glucose molecules can produce 2 acetyl CoAs, each of which can be converted to a malonyl CoA. And you need 3 acetyl CoAs and 3 malonyl CoAs to form palmitic acid, the most common fatty acid. So that's a total of 6 molecules that were originally pyruvate and therefore 3 glucose molecules. Make sense?

    C6H12O6+C40H64H28P3S(what would this be?) ----> 2C23H38N7O17P3S.... EXPLAIN

    You can't go straight from glucose to acetyl CoA with only one other reactant. It's a complicated mechanism. This might help:

    Glucose-->pyruvate

    http://www.google.com/imgres?start=35&num=10&um=1&hl=en&authuser=0&biw=1024&bih=677&tbm=isch&tbnid=ChBQupK5m61SvM:&imgrefurl=http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Biological_Chemistry/Metabolism/Glycolysis&docid=6BgSpMVxVVBrnM&imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/GlycolysiscompleteLabelled.png&w=990&h=765&ei=2B4aUMnjN8vsiwKzgYGADg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=310&vpy=29&dur=97&hovh=197&hovw=255&tx=199&ty=115&sig=114905646097970699064&page=3&tbnh=149&tbnw=172&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:16,s:35,i:119

    Pyruvate-->acetyl CoA

    http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&authuser=0&biw=1024&bih=677&tbm=isch&tbnid=tr4_07E6oBCZRM:&imgrefurl=http://employees.csbsju.edu/hjakubowski/classes/ch331/oxphos/olcouplingoxphos.html&docid=It4Rm2ZstkPiaM&imgurl=http://employees.csbsju.edu/hjakubowski/classes/ch112/pathways-charts/pyrdehydrototal.gif&w=578&h=1296&ei=PB8aUPm4EczWiAKg_IHQBw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=100&vpy=213&dur=547&hovh=336&hovw=150&tx=73&ty=167&sig=114905646097970699064&page=1&tbnh=162&tbnw=72&start=0&ndsp=13&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:0,i:102

    EDIT
    Okay so those links get cut off in the post, but if you quote my post, you can copy the whole thing.
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