Restaurants are Irresponsible.
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Supply and demand, dude. If the consumers are demanding more fat the restaurants are going to supply it because that's what sells.
Personally I'm sick and tired of fast food places bowing to the pressure of people like Mrs. Obama. We went out for a fun family day and decided to eat at McDonalds for a treat and I was PISSED when my boys got only a thimble of fries with their happy meal! We don't get to go out to eat every day cause we can't afford it. One happy meal as a treat is not going to make them fat and die! I'm tired of this spoiled generation constantly begging for people to make "smart" choices for them. When I go to Subway, you better believe I'm getting mayo and ALL the fixings. Heck, make it a footlong, I've earned it!
less fries won't make them fat and die either. just saying :flowerforyou:
Did you not read what I said? My kids get no fries on a general basis. If they're lucky they get to eat fast food once or twice a year. Give the apple slices to the fat kids and give my kids some damn french fries!
I agree with you. People who eat out all the time and then complain that restaurants are making them fat and should have smaller portion sizes are ridiculous. For those of us, that eating out is a treat and like to bring home doggie bags there is no reason that restaurant portion sizes should be controlled by the government. For those that eat out everyday, it's called self-control.0 -
Besides the fact that normal fast food places are horribly bad for you, I have even fell in to the trap of Subway being misleading. They have Jared for years telling us about 6 subs with under 6 grams of fat. But when you go to the place (as I do 5 days a week), its much different.
I used to get about what they advertize. I'd get a 6 inch turkey sub. Good so far. Then they immediately ask you what kind of cheese you want and if you say "none" as you would have to to stay under 6 grams of fat, they make you confirm it as if you are abnormal. Move down for veggies and then get your sauce. Virtually all fo them are bad for you. I used to get light mayonase. Its LIGHT so it must not be too bad. The problem is that legally "light" only has to be 30% better for you than the original, no matter how fatty that is. Then the serving size is 1 table spoon, but they would put about 2 times that on the sub. Now at 400+ calories and 17 grams of fat, they want me to get a drink and chips or a cookie. Unless i get a diet coke and no chips or cookies, those numbers go up again. Then double that on the days I got hungry and got a 12" sub.
Bottom line - I was gaining weight eating subway on a regular basis.
These days I still eat there but get a grilled chicken salad with no cheese or dressing and fat free Lays and I net about 250 calories.
How is any of this subways fault? Are you blaming them for your weight gain? Or just saying their advertising is misleading. I wouldn't call them Irresponsible. They have a product to sell. You can go in there and get a straight up turkey sandwich with nothing on it and do fine. The problem lies in all the fixins that you can either choose or not choose0 -
I disagree. I do think people should make better food choices but restaurants ARE irresponsible. They try to hide their nutritional information as much as possible and try to mislead costumers. Not everyone has a computer or phone to do the research before they buy a certain type of food.
I agree with the OP to an extent, but I think she made a poor choice in the wording of her title. Restaurants are not irresponsible -- they are deliberately deceitful. Restaurants hire marketers to "spin" their food the way politicians hire speech writers and consultants to "spin" their viewpoints. They are experts at tricking people into thinking that they are providing "healthy" food when really, they're serving the same unhealthy things they always have.
With that said, I agree with the dissenters on this thread as well. It is a consumer's job to investigate what they are consuming and make an informed choice. Any time there is a thread about the "healthiest" fast food, numerous people always bring up Subway, but I really don't thing a giant wad of bread with a tiny bit of meat and a gob of added fat and cheese is healthy. I can think of many other things that would provide better nutritional options for me.
In the end, we are all responsible for our choices and I know I am the only one who makes my health, fitness and weight a priority, so if I make good or bad choices, the successes or failures are mine alone.0 -
I haven't read through the entire thread, but I'll respond to the number of responses I did see in the vein of, "It's your individual responsibility, not the companies'!"
I don't buy that. If restaurants and food companies were upfront and honest, I'd have no problem. But that's not what happens. What happens is that these companies spend millions, even billions, fighting tooth and nail against regulations that would force them to be open and honest about what they're serving. Remember when California wanted restaurants to put nutritional facts on all their menus? Or when NYC tried to do the same thing? These companies act like it's some horrible injustice to force them to let the consumers know what they're buying. You can't claim it's all personal responsibility when people are deliberately kept in the dark about reality.
What's wrong with letting people know what they're eating? Why shouldn't they be allowed to make an informed decision? If you're afraid that they won't buy your food because it's too unhealthy, the solution is to make healthier food, not to lie to people and claim it's better than it really is. It's disgusting that these businesses are placed above the health and welfare of the general population.
Time to grow up and be a responsible adult. And the information is available if you ask for it. I agree with the restaurants in NY and CA, the information on the menus just takes up space and makes it difficult to read. If I really wanted/needed the information, I can ask for it.0 -
Besides the fact that normal fast food places are horribly bad for you, I have even fell in to the trap of Subway being misleading. They have Jared for years telling us about 6 subs with under 6 grams of fat. But when you go to the place (as I do 5 days a week), its much different.
I used to get about what they advertize. I'd get a 6 inch turkey sub. Good so far. Then they immediately ask you what kind of cheese you want and if you say "none" as you would have to to stay under 6 grams of fat, they make you confirm it as if you are abnormal. Move down for veggies and then get your sauce. Virtually all fo them are bad for you. I used to get light mayonase. Its LIGHT so it must not be too bad. The problem is that legally "light" only has to be 30% better for you than the original, no matter how fatty that is. Then the serving size is 1 table spoon, but they would put about 2 times that on the sub. Now at 400+ calories and 17 grams of fat, they want me to get a drink and chips or a cookie. Unless i get a diet coke and no chips or cookies, those numbers go up again. Then double that on the days I got hungry and got a 12" sub.
Bottom line - I was gaining weight eating subway on a regular basis.
These days I still eat there but get a grilled chicken salad with no cheese or dressing and fat free Lays and I net about 250 calories.
Know what else is 400+ calories and 17 grams of fat? A healthy PB&J on whole wheat. Just sayin.0 -
Who exactly is going to do this? The companies who rely on selling those foods to turn a profit won't do it willingly; it's business suicide. Without a regulation, government doesn't have a right to say anything. Hell, even Oprah got sued for saying she wouldn't eat beef. Who is supposed to be the instructor here and say, "This *kitten* will kill you," without getting their pants sued off?Educate people on what is actually in the crap they call food, absolutely. But keep the regulations for things that need them.0 -
I've been reading the forums today and I think we all need to eat a sammach! Got some hungry, angry people on here! It can come from Subway or home!!! LOL :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :flowerforyou:0
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Two words: Personal responsibility0
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Restaurants aren't irresponsible. You're the one placing the godddamn order.0
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I haven't read through the entire thread, but I'll respond to the number of responses I did see in the vein of, "It's your individual responsibility, not the companies'!"
I don't buy that. If restaurants and food companies were upfront and honest, I'd have no problem. But that's not what happens. What happens is that these companies spend millions, even billions, fighting tooth and nail against regulations that would force them to be open and honest about what they're serving. Remember when California wanted restaurants to put nutritional facts on all their menus? Or when NYC tried to do the same thing? These companies act like it's some horrible injustice to force them to let the consumers know what they're buying. You can't claim it's all personal responsibility when people are deliberately kept in the dark about reality.
What's wrong with letting people know what they're eating? Why shouldn't they be allowed to make an informed decision? If you're afraid that they won't buy your food because it's too unhealthy, the solution is to make healthier food, not to lie to people and claim it's better than it really is. It's disgusting that these businesses are placed above the health and welfare of the general population.
and I agree with you. But that is not what this thread is about. He is saying its subways fault because apparently they pressure him into making bad food choices... Like mayo and cheese and chips and cookies.0 -
It should be available but is not necessarily available in actuality. Without regulation, there is also no guarantee of accuracy on the restaurants that choose to voluntarily supply the information. It's not that they aren't printing the information on the menu, it's that they can't tell you anything reliable at all.I haven't read through the entire thread, but I'll respond to the number of responses I did see in the vein of, "It's your individual responsibility, not the companies'!"
I don't buy that. If restaurants and food companies were upfront and honest, I'd have no problem. But that's not what happens. What happens is that these companies spend millions, even billions, fighting tooth and nail against regulations that would force them to be open and honest about what they're serving. Remember when California wanted restaurants to put nutritional facts on all their menus? Or when NYC tried to do the same thing? These companies act like it's some horrible injustice to force them to let the consumers know what they're buying. You can't claim it's all personal responsibility when people are deliberately kept in the dark about reality.
What's wrong with letting people know what they're eating? Why shouldn't they be allowed to make an informed decision? If you're afraid that they won't buy your food because it's too unhealthy, the solution is to make healthier food, not to lie to people and claim it's better than it really is. It's disgusting that these businesses are placed above the health and welfare of the general population.
Time to grow up and be a responsible adult. And the information is available if you ask for it. I agree with the restaurants in NY and CA, the information on the menus just takes up space and makes it difficult to read. If I really wanted/needed the information, I can ask for it.
A responsible adult would ask to be informed. A responsible adult would want to know exactly what is going in their mouth. But responsibility only goes so far. If everything is stacked against you, you're going to lose, regardless of how careful or responsible you are.0 -
Supply and demand, dude. If the consumers are demanding more fat the restaurants are going to supply it because that's what sells.
Personally I'm sick and tired of fast food places bowing to the pressure of people like Mrs. Obama. We went out for a fun family day and decided to eat at McDonalds for a treat and I was PISSED when my boys got only a thimble of fries with their happy meal! We don't get to go out to eat every day cause we can't afford it. One happy meal as a treat is not going to make them fat and die! I'm tired of this spoiled generation constantly begging for people to make "smart" choices for them. When I go to Subway, you better believe I'm getting mayo and ALL the fixings. Heck, make it a footlong, I've earned it!
less fries won't make them fat and die either. just saying :flowerforyou:
Did you not read what I said? My kids get no fries on a general basis. If they're lucky they get to eat fast food once or twice a year. Give the apple slices to the fat kids and give my kids some damn french fries!
I really don't see what's wrong with restaurants serving a correct portion size.0 -
I didn't read the thread that way, but if it is as you say it is, then the pressure aspect isn't particularly convincing to me. The mayo thing I agree with; if I am responsible and look up the nutritional information which tells me "1 TB = x calories" and then go to the store, I will assume that that is Subway's established serving size. Most people have no idea what a tablespoon worth of mayonnaise looks like, especially when it's squiggled all over a sandwich. Asking them to estimate the exact amount in the two seconds it takes the employee to squirt it out is rather ridiculous. And I agree that there is basically no pressure to buy the extras when the employee asks; it's just their job. Being reasonable is important, of course.I haven't read through the entire thread, but I'll respond to the number of responses I did see in the vein of, "It's your individual responsibility, not the companies'!"
I don't buy that. If restaurants and food companies were upfront and honest, I'd have no problem. But that's not what happens. What happens is that these companies spend millions, even billions, fighting tooth and nail against regulations that would force them to be open and honest about what they're serving. Remember when California wanted restaurants to put nutritional facts on all their menus? Or when NYC tried to do the same thing? These companies act like it's some horrible injustice to force them to let the consumers know what they're buying. You can't claim it's all personal responsibility when people are deliberately kept in the dark about reality.
What's wrong with letting people know what they're eating? Why shouldn't they be allowed to make an informed decision? If you're afraid that they won't buy your food because it's too unhealthy, the solution is to make healthier food, not to lie to people and claim it's better than it really is. It's disgusting that these businesses are placed above the health and welfare of the general population.
and I agree with you. But that is not what this thread is about. He is saying its subways fault because apparently they pressure him into making bad food choices... Like mayo and cheese and chips and cookies.
Yes, people should be responsible, but they shouldn't be superhuman. They should not be less liable than the company producing the food. If they know, then they should be held responsible for their choices. But the more difficult the company makes it, the less onus we should put on the customer.0 -
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Why would a restaurant be responsible for YOUR health or YOUR choices? Capitalism rules. Personal Responsibility drools?
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I think I understand why the OP is so upset. It isn't the restaurants themselves, but the marketers that have one believing that if you eat at Subway, you are getting healthy, low calorie food. Marketers are crafty these days. They get their commercials disguised as news segments and stories on major TV shows like Dr. Oz. Make no mistake about it, these businesses are paying the News channel and the Talk Shows cold hard cash to have their products featured. There are no laws that require the shows to divulge that the story is actually a paid advertisement, so people feel deceived when they discover they were lied to. And rightly so.
You just have to take the attitude of not believing what you see on TV or on magazines. Use your own good sense, and if in doubt, use MFP to input the individual ingredients and estimate largish portion sizes.0 -
Two words: Personal responsibility
^^^^:drinker: ^^^^ Bottom line.
The one foolproof way to not worry about the "lies" advertizers and food vendors feed you is to stay home and do it yourself. Either take responsibility for your food order or take responsibility for buying and preparing your own food. Either way, take some responsiblility for yourself and stop blaming someone, some shadow restaurant conspiracy, for your weight.
I eat at Subway once a month or so. Its my favorite fast food. Not once have I been badgered, pressured or forced to have cheese or mayo. (Its a 6in veggie on honey oat for me. No cheese, no dressings :bigsmile: )0 -
ha, yesterday i got a turkey sub at Subway and they thought I was nuts cuz I got no cheese and no sauce (just veggies and on wheat bread) it's just what i was in the mood for at the time0
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This is what our nation has come to...no accountability for anything. Sorry but Subway didn't cuff your hands and make you feed from the chow line. It's YOUR body! Learn from it, make better choices and move on!!0
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I agree that it's 100% the consumer's responsibility, NOT the restaurant. You're the one choosing to eat there, and you sound like you're fully aware of what's in cheese and mayo, so you sound smart enough to reject those options. They're not making you go in there and eat their food. If the options are too unhealthy, then it's up to you to avoid them!
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I go to Subway all the time. I get a turkey on six-inch wheat, no cheese, with veggies and spicy mustard. Comes out to 280 cals. I don't get cookies or chips, and I don't get weird looks when I say no. What's so hard about that?0
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The sad part of all this is that they make the food right there in front of your face so you are fully away and responsible for what you are eating.. Seems our society just likes to continue to put the blame on everyone else but themselves for getting fat/gaining weight.. Wasn't there a lawsuit a while back that eating McDonalds made people fat? When does it ever stop! If you really want to complain about the resturants than don't go there because truely how can you even know if what they are considering Healthy is really healthy if you didn't see it being prepared? it's all a gamble!0
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Subway also uses HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP in their wheat bread.....
which is, you know, simply two forms of sugar -- well, three if you count the little bit of maltose, but it's really just two molecules of one of the others, so, no point in counting that, you see -- blended together, with a bit of water. roughly the same percentages of each sugar and water as all-natural honey. the horror!0 -
Who exactly is going to do this? The companies who rely on selling those foods to turn a profit won't do it willingly; it's business suicide. Without a regulation, government doesn't have a right to say anything. Hell, even Oprah got sued for saying she wouldn't eat beef. Who is supposed to be the instructor here and say, "This *kitten* will kill you," without getting their pants sued off?Educate people on what is actually in the crap they call food, absolutely. But keep the regulations for things that need them.
1. Oprah won that fight. First amendment and all......
2. The instructor, ideally, would've been the parents of that person, teaching them about health and dietary choices.0 -
That's why I always pack my lunch. That way I make sure I get something that fits in my calories and is tasty. Huzzah! :drinker:0
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1. While Oprah won that case, it can't be discounted that she had a hell of a lot of money to fight that case. Most people or organizations in her position would have been bankrupted by the time they saw that victory (if they managed to get there at all). Fact of the matter is that these companies have a lot of resources and motivation to throw behind promoting their product and quashing any efforts to regulate them, more than their detractors usually do.
Who exactly is going to do this? The companies who rely on selling those foods to turn a profit won't do it willingly; it's business suicide. Without a regulation, government doesn't have a right to say anything. Hell, even Oprah got sued for saying she wouldn't eat beef. Who is supposed to be the instructor here and say, "This *kitten* will kill you," without getting their pants sued off?Educate people on what is actually in the crap they call food, absolutely. But keep the regulations for things that need them.
1. Oprah won that fight. First amendment and all......
2. The instructor, ideally, would've been the parents of that person, teaching them about health and dietary choices.
2. I agree that parents have a responsibility to teach their children healthy behavior. But I don't expect parents to know more than what they are taught, or what they are allowed to know. If a parent is taught to believe that fast food can be healthy, then I can't blame them for passing that information along. Not everyone has the time, energy, intelligence, or ability to combat everything that's thrown at them, even when that information is false. Even people who try really hard get confused and get it wrong sometimes. I don't think it's right to place the blame on them when everything is intentionally set up for that to happen.0 -
I'm irresponsible, it's way more fun this way.0
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9When I go to subway, I get the kid's Fresh Fit meal. I have them put it on flatbread, add all the veggies, vinegar and oil. It comes with apples and milk. This is a pretty good option at subway, low in calories, high in fiber.
This is an awesome way to keep calories low for subway!0 -
When I go to subway, I get the kid's Fresh Fit meal. I have them put it on flatbread, add all the veggies, vinegar and oil. It comes with apples and milk. This is a pretty good option at subway, low in calories, high in fiber.
good idea!0 -
This spoon made me fat! It just scooped up a hunk of ice cream and jumped into my mouth!
If you want it EXACTLY how you want it-MAKE IT YOURSELF or be VERY specific when asking for certain sauces and such.
Here is an example:
Subway Guy: Hello customer, what can I get you?
You: Hi Subway guy, I want turkey on wheat 6", NO CHEESE, 4 slices of pickle, 3 slices of black olives, and all the other veggies.
Subway Guy: Okay. How about sauce?
You: Why yes! I'd love some. How about one very thin line of mayo, less than 1 tablespoon worth.
Subway Guy: Oh, thanks for being so specific. Here is your sandwich, just how you wanted it.
(end of example, thank you very much. Hold the applause)
See now, that wasn't so hard, was it?
Num num nom.0 -
ULTIMATE SOLUTION: Everyone stop going to the restaurants, cook your own food. Lack of sales will make them all close, the end ;D.0
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