Anyone else do alternate day Intermittent Fasting?

Helloitsdan

hmmm..i sincerely hope you rethink this plan. especially if you have any propensity to develop an eating disorder.

Sweetheart, that is the craziest thing I've ever read xx

crazy because you wouldn't be likely to develop an eating disorder or crazy because you think that the plan, in general, isn't likely to be problematic.

You shouldn't be so quick to judge. Intermittent fasting, though not for everyone, is a very healthy thing to practice. If you don't believe me, then try Googling it. It is not an eating disorder.

You don't see a problem with purposely forcing yourself to go without food? I can't imagine why people chose to endure hunger for the sake of weight loss, when it's completely unnecessary.

That's not how it works. You're misinformed. You're suppose to be counting your calories and protein intake for 2 days instead of one. For instance, if i fast tomorrow then I will normally eat 4 to 5k calories for two days.

I know exactly how IF and alternate day fasting works. Not only do I work part time at a gym as a trainer, I've got my Master's Degree in Food and Nutritional Sciences and work in the Food Industry. So please, spare me the lesson.

So how am i starving myself if I'm eating all my calorie and protein requirement in one setting? Fear monger?

Again, you've demonstrated your lack of reading comprehension skills. Please point out where I said starving is the same thing as IF or ADF. It's not the same. Starvation is the result of severe malnutrition, the result of extended caloric, vitamin and mineral deficiency. Very different than IF and ADF which are self induced short term intervals of abstaining from food with the goal of fat loss and minimizing muscle loss. Both are achieveable without fasting so why bother?

Depends on the person. I don't like eating 5 times a day because eating multiple small meals throughout the day makes me hungrier and more prone to cheat as the taste of food makes me wants to just eat more then just 300 calories at a time. Having to put something in my mouth every 3 to 4 hours triggers my taste buds and it's almost like an addiction that is hard to control when it occurs 5 to 6 times during the day.

It sounds like you may have a mental disorder if you're affraid of losing control while you eat. A person that has a healthy relationship with food shouldn't be comparing eating to having an addiction and having a hard time to stop eating after tasting something. And it's those types of fears of eating which can screw with people mentally and lead to eating disorders.

Ad hominem. What eating disorder are you talking about and what does "healthy" mean? Is there a definition in any nutritional journal that as a clear cut definition of eating "healthy"? What you don't seem to understand is that there are many diets on the market ranging from PSMF, IF, Victoria Secret Diet, South Beach Diet, Aktins Diet, and the traditional eat 5 times a day diet. So which diet works? They all do because each and every single diet on the market has a success story. What matters the most is finding a diet that works best for the person as there is no such thing as a magical diet.

The thermic effect of food doesnt change much so 1 meal or 37 meals a day doesnt matter.
Convenience is what matters at the end of the day.


Cant figure out what you guys are arguing about though so i'll save my IQ and step out.
Good luck boys!
=D
I have some fasted training to do this AM.

Lazychu

The programme was really thought provoking and seems to have many people. Do you follow Dr Mosley on twitter?

bpmartyr

Anyone that thinks you can't train fasted probably hasn't tried it. People have been fasting for religious purposes for a very long time without adverse effects. Look at the studies done on athletes that were fasting for Ramadan ... and they couldn't even have water. As long as I am hydrated I can keep up with anyone I normally train with whilst I am fasting and they are not.

Who said anything about not being able to do fasted cardio?
Of course it can be done.

Was responding to this:

I'm rather sure the intermittent fasting touted on lean gains is an 18:4 or 16:8 regimen NOT every other day fasting. quite a difference. I'd much rather not compromise my training by being incredibly weak on fasting days--and instead do a 16:8 or something similar so that my energy levels don't plummet and I can actually maintain strength and LBM. I highly doubt that an individual fasting every other day would be able to maintain a comparable intensity during their workouts if they are FASTING every other day.

fastforlife1

In response to LOVE4Fitness - I only tried alternate day fasting for 1 week so I am hardly an expert, but I was really physically active that week and I had to count my exercise calories to stick to 800 calories on my fast days (which is still 200 calories higher that they recomend for fasts). I also did not eat as much as I could of on my up calorie days. So you are correct, it is very difficult to be physically active and fast every other day. For people who have desk jobs, it might be perfect.

love4fitnesslove4food_wechange

In response to LOVE4Fitness - I only tried alternate day fasting for 1 week so I am hardly an expert, but I was really physically active that week and I had to count my exercise calories to stick to 800 calories on my fast days (which is still 200 calories higher that they recomend for fasts). I also did not eat as much as I could of on my up calorie days. So you are correct, it is very difficult to be physically active and fast every other day. For people who have desk jobs, it might be perfect.

Thank you. My point exactly. I workout and physically active every day-id die on a regimen like that. I do fasted cardio as well but complete fasting is not conducive to an intense workout.

rileysowner

In response to LOVE4Fitness - I only tried alternate day fasting for 1 week so I am hardly an expert, but I was really physically active that week and I had to count my exercise calories to stick to 800 calories on my fast days (which is still 200 calories higher that they recomend for fasts). I also did not eat as much as I could of on my up calorie days. So you are correct, it is very difficult to be physically active and fast every other day. For people who have desk jobs, it might be perfect.

Thank you. My point exactly. I workout and physically active every day-id die on a regimen like that. I do fasted cardio as well but complete fasting is not conducive to an intense workout.

Not having really done ADF I can't comment, but I never lack for energy on my 24 hour fast days. With ADF you eat a lot on the non-fast days. From what I have seen from people who I know who do it they eat 3500-4000 calories on the non-fast days, and 500-700 on the fast days. Over all it works out to about the same sort of deficit as eating at a constant calorie deficit every day, but for many it is mentally much more satisfying and other than fast days, they don't count calories at all. Yes, this sort of eating pattern is not for everyone, but then again neither is 3 meals or 6 meals a day for everyone. The biggest predictor of weight loss success is long term compliance. If ADF works to bring long term compliance for some people that is good. If a person likes the small frequent meals, they should do that, as long as they can stick with it long term and it is not resulting in a huge calorie deficit overall. Frankly I am much more concerned about the multitude of people here on MFP who eat a maximum of 1200 calories, exercise for an hour or more pretty much every day, and never ever eat their exercise calories back. Long term that is much more damaging to their physiology than properly dong ADF will be.

_Timmeh_

I do this one, works for me.

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/695972-intermittent-farting

love4fitnesslove4food_wechange

In response to LOVE4Fitness - I only tried alternate day fasting for 1 week so I am hardly an expert, but I was really physically active that week and I had to count my exercise calories to stick to 800 calories on my fast days (which is still 200 calories higher that they recomend for fasts). I also did not eat as much as I could of on my up calorie days. So you are correct, it is very difficult to be physically active and fast every other day. For people who have desk jobs, it might be perfect.

Thank you. My point exactly. I workout and physically active every day-id die on a regimen like that. I do fasted cardio as well but complete fasting is not conducive to an intense workout.

Not having really done ADF I can't comment, but I never lack for energy on my 24 hour fast days. With ADF you eat a lot on the non-fast days. From what I have seen from people who I know who do it they eat 3500-4000 calories on the non-fast days, and 500-700 on the fast days. Over all it works out to about the same sort of deficit as eating at a constant calorie deficit every day, but for many it is mentally much more satisfying and other than fast days, they don't count calories at all. Yes, this sort of eating pattern is not for everyone, but then again neither is 3 meals or 6 meals a day for everyone. The biggest predictor of weight loss success is long term compliance. If ADF works to bring long term compliance for some people that is good. If a person likes the small frequent meals, they should do that, as long as they can stick with it long term and it is not resulting in a huge calorie deficit overall. Frankly I am much more concerned about the multitude of people here on MFP who eat a maximum of 1200 calories, exercise for an hour or more pretty much every day, and never ever eat their exercise calories back. Long term that is much more damaging to their physiology than properly dong ADF will be.

we agree there. I 1000000% cannot stand the 1200 calorie crowd (a slight generalization for simiplicity-- while some have legit reasons for doing it but MOST do not) and it's not because i think they're bad people but because usually they refuse to consider that they just MIGHT be harming their body by not providing adequate micronutrients, losing muscle mass, and/or setting themselves up for rebound binge eating.

kennethmgreen

In response to LOVE4Fitness - I only tried alternate day fasting for 1 week so I am hardly an expert, but I was really physically active that week and I had to count my exercise calories to stick to 800 calories on my fast days (which is still 200 calories higher that they recomend for fasts). I also did not eat as much as I could of on my up calorie days. So you are correct, it is very difficult to be physically active and fast every other day. For people who have desk jobs, it might be perfect.

Thank you. My point exactly. I workout and physically active every day-id die on a regimen like that. I do fasted cardio as well but complete fasting is not conducive to an intense workout.

Is this thread for you to state that fasted cardio is perfectly fine as long as someone doesn't fast longer than you do?

love4fitnesslove4food_wechange

In response to LOVE4Fitness - I only tried alternate day fasting for 1 week so I am hardly an expert, but I was really physically active that week and I had to count my exercise calories to stick to 800 calories on my fast days (which is still 200 calories higher that they recomend for fasts). I also did not eat as much as I could of on my up calorie days. So you are correct, it is very difficult to be physically active and fast every other day. For people who have desk jobs, it might be perfect.

Thank you. My point exactly. I workout and physically active every day-id die on a regimen like that. I do fasted cardio as well but complete fasting is not conducive to an intense workout.

Is this thread for you to state that fasted cardio is perfectly fine as long as someone doesn't fast longer than you do?

Clearly I was saying that it would not work for me--and it compromising the intensity of one's workout is something to consider.,

rileysowner

In response to LOVE4Fitness - I only tried alternate day fasting for 1 week so I am hardly an expert, but I was really physically active that week and I had to count my exercise calories to stick to 800 calories on my fast days (which is still 200 calories higher that they recomend for fasts). I also did not eat as much as I could of on my up calorie days. So you are correct, it is very difficult to be physically active and fast every other day. For people who have desk jobs, it might be perfect.

Thank you. My point exactly. I workout and physically active every day-id die on a regimen like that. I do fasted cardio as well but complete fasting is not conducive to an intense workout.

Is this thread for you to state that fasted cardio is perfectly fine as long as someone doesn't fast longer than you do?

Clearly I was saying that it would not work for me--and it compromising the intensity of one's workout is something to consider.,

I have never had issues working out fasted either lifting or cardio. I have bikes 30 miles fasted with no issues in performance as long as I am well hydrated. I actually have more problems with workouts when fed. Of course when I am done those workouts, I usually time things so I can have a big meal in the next hour or two afterward, but for me, my performance is usually better fasted. That will not be true for everyone, but I am guessing it is true for many who find intermittent fasting a preferred way of eating.

mermer45

I've been doing adf for around 4 weeks. So far it's been good. I exercise around 5times each week...run twice (4m), swim (1m) and body pump twice. Typically eat 2500 calories on feed days and 600 on fast days (1 meal),

I actually find the exercise harder on the feed days than on the fast days.