Forced flu shot at work
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I would be fine with it. It's the same as jobs requesting Hep B vaccinations. This is for your safety and the safety of the patrons.
Now Hep B is a whole different situation. If you are working in Phlebotomy, Lab, Cardiac Care, Nephrology, GI (for liver), or any field of medicine where the liver is concerned, Hep B is vital. You dont get sick with a Hep B series as some experience with the Flu vaccination.
Even though I'm not a medical professional, nor do I know anything about the Hep B vaccine, I feel like I need to say:
NO WAY, the Hep B vaccine should NOT be mandatory, they can't tell me what to put in my body, I eat right and exercise, and I'VE never had Hep B so I'm not going to pass it on to my patients/residents/whatever.
Actually, you are confused about what your job can and cannot do. They can require vaccines. They can require that you dress a certain way. They can make requirements that you make think are your own personal choices. They are your personal choice. But, you chose to work for that company. That company can choose to fire you if you do not do what they say. Of course there are some limitations on this (i.e. freedom of religion), but it's not as clear cut as you seem to think.0 -
Your kids have never been sick because you are relying on ALL the other children who DID get their MMRs and other vaccines not to infect them. As more people are taken in by fear mongering, anti-vaccine folderol, your children won't be protected by herd immunity - something they take advantage of, but contribute nothing to. And I say this as someone who *is* immunocompromised due to a kidney transplant and STILL gets their vaccines on schedule.
No, I'm relying on building their immune systems and teaching the proper hygiene. Being vaccinated, YOU will be carrying that virus/disease and YOU can spread it to my child from simply having the vaccine. If vaccines are so wonderful then why do vaccinated children STILL get things they are vaccinated for? Sorry, until it's 100% proven that vaccines are 100% safe and 100% effective at eliminating illness, me and my children won't get them. I'm not into being a guinea pig for the government and sick care system. That's just me though.
and you are a fool if you think that is what you are doing.
Polio has been eradicated in the US because of vaccinations. However, all it takes is a person getting on an airplane who is a carrier for polio from an area of the world that is NOT polio free to re-introduce it to your child. Hope you enjoy standing on your convictions then. Maybe you can fnd some other nutter to "pray the polio away"
As far as being 100%. thats a non sequiter. Nothing in science will ever be 100%. thats not the way science works. Howvever there are mountains of evidence that show the positive effects of vaccinations.
you are simply allowing your children to hide in the "herd" of other children who have responsible parents. When irresponsibility becomes the majority (ie, what you are advocating) hiding will not be an option. measels, diptheria, polia, etc will once again become part of our population.
I do not understand how in this day and age p[eople can be as dumb as they are in the face of as much information as we have access to.0 -
If they paid for it, nuetral
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I get a flu shot every year per doctor's orders so I'm used to being told I have to :P To me it's not much different than forcing immunizations for kids to get into school..flu shot to get into work..seems like it's for everyone's protection including yours..so I'd be okay with it.0 -
No way....not forcing me to do anything.Thats bogus,drug test is one thin.But force you to allow a person to inject you,no way not happening!0
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Getting the flu sucks balls, I would be cool with not getting the flu.0
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I would refuse only because I've only had the flu once in my life and I think it had to do more with just having a baby and being worn down than it was the true flu. My immunity holds up on it's own and I don't want to put anything into it that doesn't need to be there.0
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It's a hospital so I am sure they have levels of preventative care that everyone else does not have. If I worked at a hospital, I would be responsible and take the shot-on my own accord, not because I would get fired. It's wrong of them to present it that way. Forced drug injections of any kind bother me, even vaccinations in children. I prefer to make choices on my own.0
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All of a sudden, it would be against my religion to get a flu shot.
This is my thoughts. My employers gives them for free but I refuse. My children did not get their shots and they did go to public school. There are ways around this.0 -
whoaaa i guess this is the first step of government/work intervention in the obesity crisis!Many hospitals are doing that...and so much more..we have one here that is going to start enforcing BMI ratings on all employees not sure what the ratings are yet but that's what I heard.0 -
A huge part of me says "BUT IT'S YOUR CHOICE!!!!" But, at the same time, if you work in hospital... You're dealing with already sick people, and don't want to pass anything along to them -- you're also exposed to it much more than most people, and hospitals are (usually) under-staffed as it is.
In MY workplace, I'd be pretty pissed. In yours, I can understand the reasoning.
I have to agree with the poster I'm quoting here. I don't like anything being forced upon me. I'm also a partial cynic about vaccines, but they do have their place. Basically I don't understand slamming a newborn's body with multiple vaccines all at once. I do, however, choose to take the flu shot. I seem to get it easily and the last two were horribly rough on me. The second-to-last one was bad and then went into pneumonia. The last one was the most painful flu I've ever had. I'm not going to skip the shot anymore.
Now, from the other side. My husband was critically ill earlier this year. We spent 46 days in the hospital and his attending physician called him a "one percenter" because it's a rare person that survives what he, thankfully, did. Now, had someone inadvertently exposed him to the flu, that would have been it. He couldn't have handled anything else what-so-ever. Unless you really believe it will detrimental to your well being, I would hope that you would get it. It's the environment in which you spend so much time.0 -
i love how people feel the need to nit pick every single detail they can find on what is safe and what isn't to throw up in someones face.
this is no different from any other decision made. some feel eating meat is dangerous to your health, some feel a vegetarian diet is dangerous to your health. both sides can find many proof for each of their beliefs. some people eat only organic, some people don't eat any organic. some people feel they should rear face their children until they are 5, others are comfortable with the reasonable forward facing limits. point is, for ANY belief you can find ANYTHING to prove your point, and the opposing point can come back with just as many facts proving theirs as well. to me, it all comes down to my beliefs, and my comfort level.
i can choose what goes into my body. my children can't (for the most part). its my job to to keep my children safe to the best of my abilities. its as simple as that. if you have children, don't you want what you feel is best and safest for them? that's all i'm doing.
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I get it as well.
I always get the flu mist at my work when it comes that time of year to sign up for it. it is cheap, eh, why not. Besides, I want to save my PTO for the summer 0 -
I think thats a great idea. They do flu shots here at the school for teachers too.0
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I would get the doc note to get out of it. I did have the flu last year and it was the first time in at least 7 years. I work with children and I don't get a flu shot b/c I risk getting sick from the shot, and then by the time the flu becomes widespread in NJ it's already mutated to a different strain, which the shot does NOT protect against! My mom's doc gave her this holistic stuff called Flu Plus by Heel b/c she refused a flu shot as well(she worked a school at the time before she retired), which lessons symptoms of flu. So I will be ordering more of that this year, stock up on Wet Ones Antibacterial and Lysol wipes and spray and ride it out...0
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I would fight it. Violation of your human rights. Plus I am a believer that flu shots contribute to these super flu's that keep killing people. (along with people taking only half of their prescriptions)
It's simple really....If you do get sick, don't go to work...sick people going to work is how others get sick. Do us all a favour and stay home!
I MIGHT consider getting the shot for the health benefits but it would have to be a decision made by me personally and NOT something I am forced to do. I was never a huge fan of forced vaccinations.
well, its the shot or your job. So, If I were the OP, SHOT PLEASE!0 -
I do not believe in taking shots for a few reasons - where they came from, what's in them, what they can do to your body - you can look it up on your own, but as for FORCED, um, no? Are you in America? Remind them of your rights. If you don't want to take it, they can't make you.0
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The BMI is going to come through your insurance company and they do that to see if your overweight or obese. People should know their BMI. Thats a healthy start to me.
whoaaa i guess this is the first step of government/work intervention in the obesity crisis!Many hospitals are doing that...and so much more..we have one here that is going to start enforcing BMI ratings on all employees not sure what the ratings are yet but that's what I heard.0 -
I have asthma and have had pnuemonia many times. So, I'm "high risk". My company **strongly encourages** flu shots. They provide them free and even bring a nurse into the workplace. We're an office - not in contact with the public, but the bosses don't want a flu wiping out our productivity. So, between the lines they're saying to us, don't you dare refuse the shot and then call in sick with the flu. (Not that the shot covers every flu.)
Anyway, even though I have my cynism and don't like having chemically produced things shot into my system, I'm happy about this one.0 -
I do not believe in taking shots for a few reasons - where they came from, what's in them, what they can do to your body - you can look it up on your own, but as for FORCED, um, no? Are you in America? Remind them of your rights. If you don't want to take it, they can't make you.
What rights do you think you have? They can't make you, but they can certainly fire you.0 -
I WANT a flu injection. Last Winter I had the flu 3 times in 6 weeks. I was literally ill for a week, had time off work, went back for a week, caught it again from someone else... and so on.
Not sure why you'd even consider not getting it tbh. One injection VS. being ill... hmmm...
And you knew to expect this when you accepted the offer of the job...0 -
I was pressured into getting a flu shot once and immediately got sick from it!! Never again! I don't believe in them to begin with, but that just solidified my feeling.0
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Our hospital mandated it as well, starting last year, and it s infuriating. Even if we have a note from a doctor, one of the hospital's doctors reviews our medical record to see if the reason is valid- a total violation of patient rights. If I am requested to have the shot, do I not then become a patient with the right to refuse medical care??
I have recieved the flu shot two times in 20 years- both times resulting in my getting the flu and then once pneumonia. The other 18 years, I've not been sick.
As for proof that our receiving the shot portects others, that is utter BS. Flu vaccines are manufactured based on predictions.
Definitely paves the way for hospitals to mandate all employees be under a certain BMI; smokers are terminated at our institution... Not that I promote smoking, but it is legal.
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A huge part of me says "BUT IT'S YOUR CHOICE!!!!" But, at the same time, if you work in hospital... You're dealing with already sick people, and don't want to pass anything along to them -- you're also exposed to it much more than most people, and hospitals are (usually) under-staffed as it is.
In MY workplace, I'd be pretty pissed. In yours, I can understand the reasoning.
^^^^this...exactly.0 -
As a person with compromised health, I can certainly appreciate your employer for doing that!!0
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I'm allergic to eggs so they can't force me.
Still, I've never had to have a doctors note or worked anywhere that it was mandatory and I'm IN the healthcare field. Worked in clinics, records, hospitals, surgical, ER........doesn't seem like it would be legal for them to force you to do it.0 -
We aren't quite that bad yet, but close. I think it is criminal to force you to have something injected into your body, that you do not want. I have been healthier in years that I did not get vaccinated...I have many personal reasons why I don't wish to have them. Our company is going to make us wear masks during flu season, any time we arre within 6 feet of another person, if we refuse the vaccine.0
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Nobody get the flu for 2 days....0
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Hospitals are finacially motivated to make employees get flu shots. If they don't Medicare and Medicaid will withhold 2% of payments if a certain # of employees dont get it. Next year the CDC will be on board with mandating this for all healthcare institutions.0
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Geez people it's not like she is abusing her kids. She, along with thousands others, is making a choice for her children she feels is best.
Innocent infants have died and innocent pregnant women have had terrible late-term miscarriages because people don't vaccinate their kids. If you don't want to vaccinate your child, that's fine. Just keep them away from infants and pregnant women. You have a right to your own medical choices. You do not, however, have the right to cause fatal harm to others.
10 infants were buried in Ca in '10 because of people like this woman.
But it is HER choice. Look at it like survival of the fittest.
I don't know how strong the argument of her children putting others at risk is since most of us are vaccinated.
Infants are not fully immunized. An infant under 3 months are routinely hospitalized ($$$$) many get pneumonia, 1 in 100 die.
congenital varicella syndrome, when a woman contracts chicken pox when pregnant;
CVS is characterized by birth defects, most commonly skin scarring, malformed limbs, an abnormally small head, and vision problems. Plus, a baby with CVS may also grow poorly in utero and suffer from seizures and physical and mental developmental disabilities. The infection may also increase the risk of miscarriage or later fetal death.
Sure, the chances are low. but they exist.
Keep in mind, the pox vaccine was not available until 1995, and most people born before 87 probably have not had the vaccine. Many Adults are recommended to NOT get the pox vaccine. Chicken pox in adult men can cause them to become sterile. Nothing better than being sterilized by some kid who's sick and their mom didn't keep them at home, how awesomely responsible! ! My husband has never had chicken pox. I feel for whatever parent allows their child with chicken pox to be in his presence. It won't be pretty.
Adults over 60 who are exposed to chicken pox can contract shingles and that is no walk in the park and can be debilitating and leave behind lasting health problems. How fun! Exposing your sick child to older people causing them health problems, how sweet! Happened to my husband's grandmother, it had lasting, debilitating affects that cost her thousands of dollars, numerous trips to the hospital, a few surgeries and the need for a catheter the last 3 months of her life. Along with high doses of antibiotics, and we all know what wonderful things high doses does to your stomach and lady parts. YAY! How fun is THAT??0 -
They encourage it, but it is up to us--I get it, it is free!0
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