how about the venus index?

Determinednoob

you will love it... and the fact is, it's more about changing your eating habits and understanding your body. the support you get from all who are on those forums is genuine, no BS and supportive rather than getting all defensive about this diet or that diet, or mocking you for making a decision based on your own body. the proof is in the pics... none of them got there easily, but they explain and support you throughout the entire process no matter where you are at now. It's all about encouragement, honest and friendly assistance and a group will to succeed.

You can get free support from lots of cool people HERE and on bodybuilding.com forums and many others I'm sure. Whoopty Doo pics. Here are pics of what I did with nothing but FREE information in just one year (which is really longer than it should have been).

Before



After

Plates559

I got the package last year and it looks like the price has gone way up but it's high in demand and they offer something all the others don't.

What BS programming and mid to bottom tier exercises?

In order to understand exactly what you might have to get the basic and get into the forum to find out. No way am I going to try to explain all the stuff you get.

Cause you can't give a basic list of exercises? Of course not that would mean they wouldn't get their $600!

It is access to leading edge research,

BS, post ONE leading edge research article, probably just 10 year old research recycled and vomited out.

LivvyLinde

Thank you everyone who gave me constructive feedback! The thing I've learned is that the best exercise for a person is the one that you'll do. Everyone's different, but as long as you're moving and being intentional with your health, something is better than nothing. Blessings!

AlsDonkBoxSquat

$600?!? Holy Hell!

If you want a weight room experience and your goal is to lift heavy I will always recommend New Rules of Lifting For Women. If you're concerned about form take the other $590 (if you buy it on kindle) to buy sessions with a trainer that you can use to walk you through the proper form for the various lifts at the beginning of each stage.

If you want mucsle endurance and a cardio experience I recommend either the Les Mills Body Pump group fit classes, or the Les Mills Body Pump DVD Program.

I got the package last year and it looks like the price has gone way up but it's high in demand and they offer something all the others don't. In order to understand exactly what you might have to get the basic and get into the forum to find out. No way am I going to try to explain all the stuff you get. I'm not a seller and it's not worth my time. It's not just a workout. It is access to leading edge research, podcasts, The Reverse Taper Diet, and a ton of other stuff. Personally it was well worth the price to me because, well I have a new life now and I have tools for life and access to incredible information from some guys very very educated and passionate. They worked hard and if they make money they deserve it for the awesomeness they have brought into the world. I have some destiny that I know in my gut has noting to do with selling someone elses products.

If you are doing so great with whatever you are doing keep doing it. But if you flounder like I did for 15 years and reach the end of the rope, well just the basic product got me from a size 8 to a size 2 and I'm happy and the price of the rest of the product was worth it to me because it's all still helping me keep what I achieved. Like I said I don't care if they make money, they gave me what I wanted, a new me, a new life, my own destiny.

I'm not floundering or asking for advice (or a reworded advertisment), I was giving advice on lifting programs. I spent $10 bucks on a book through Kindle, relieved myself of my trainer, found the macros I want and put them into a free website (mfp) (although NR does come with a suggested meal plan), went from a size 12 to a 0, and started up a crazy supportive group on here for the NROL4W program (http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/119-new-rules-of-lifting-for-women-nrol4w-) pretty much the day they officially opened groups. If this is what worked for you then great, but all of these types of great resources are available to the general consumer at a fraction of the cost or free. It is unnecessary to pay high costs for products and services when the same quality is available without paying for the marketing. In marketing that introductory offer is generally referred to as the hook, and once the fish is hooked they have to fight to get back off the line.

Determinednoob

Thank you everyone who gave me constructive feedback! The thing I've learned is that the best exercise for a person is the one that you'll do. Everyone's different, but as long as you're moving and being intentional with your health, something is better than nothing. Blessings!

That is true. Some would have you believe you need a 600 dollar 5 day per week routine when in fact starting out 3 days per week at about 45 minutes each day is enough.

ilovedeadlifts

Thank you everyone who gave me constructive feedback! The thing I've learned is that the best exercise for a person is the one that you'll do. Everyone's different, but as long as you're moving and being intentional with your health, something is better than nothing. Blessings!

That is true. Some would have you believe you need a 600 dollar 5 day per week routine when in fact starting out 3 days per week at about 45 minutes each day is enough.

well she does have one thing right about compliance.
If i blew 600 bucks on a program, i sure would follow it exactly.

but....it's still a scam. californiagirl's posts are pretty much copy/paste ads. look at some of her other threads.

firstsip

Is this whole thread real life.

Determinednoob

Is this whole thread real life.

Lulz. I wish it weren't

californiagirl2012

you will love it... and the fact is, it's more about changing your eating habits and understanding your body. the support you get from all who are on those forums is genuine, no BS and supportive rather than getting all defensive about this diet or that diet, or mocking you for making a decision based on your own body. the proof is in the pics... none of them got there easily, but they explain and support you throughout the entire process no matter where you are at now. It's all about encouragement, honest and friendly assistance and a group will to succeed.

Glad you are happy. It was the first forum I ever joined and no one trashes you there like they do here. This is the 2nd forum I've ever joined and I've been run through the mud more in the last couple of days compared to any place ever in my entire life. But I'm not mad. I have compassion for the human behavior they exhibit.

Mainly, I'm glad you are enjoying it over there. It is nice to post a question or offer an opinion somewhere and not get trashed.

Plates559

Glad you are happy. It was the first forum I ever joined and no one trashes you there like they do here.

That because everyone is doing the same work out, they are just fan boys

This is the 2nd forum I've ever joined and I've been run through the mud more in the last couple of days compared to any place ever in my entire life. But I'm not mad.

Because you are spamming...

I have compassion for the human behavior they exhibit.

Wow someone took psych 101

apriltrainer

SHE IS NOT A SCAM!! GRR!!!

Yeah, I am a Venus.

Thank Aphrodite for that.

And heck yeah.. I look GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!

Yes, I am VAIN.

And if you want to know why...listen to my PODCAST. MUUHAAA!

I can teach all the girls who were told they were UGLY, they were picked last for sports...that in the end ..you can go to your 20 YEAR reunion and blow all those GIRLS outta the water. And stick your Venus finger at all the boys who didn't ask you out. YOu can go from being scared of the jocks to having the jocks want to be YOU or DATE you.


Yeah I'm bitter and Venus is the program that made me the vain beeatch I am today.

And I earned that status.

YEs i got LINKS on my pages because I am an attention -Wh**e. Not denying that. But if you don't want to look at my fine self or listen to my podcast...just don't go visit my page. That's all.

I take issue with people thinking us Venus girls are spammers. One can look at most of my posts and see I BARELY talk about it. To find out about it you gotta visit my profile and look at my pics.

Please look. I am vain. Trying to make up for being voted ugliest girl in highschool. Never got over that. Sad I know. But happy i look GOOOOOD now.

hola_lo

any good results with this program?? I just bought it yesterday and will start tomorrow in conjunction with Les Mills Pump. I don't know if they changed their prices but phase 2 and 3 are 39.99 each not 600$... Not sure what the Immersion thing is but it was too expensive for me to purchase so I bought Phase 1 only.

Elbee1

Oops, didn't mean to post on this thread...

ldicarlo26

The program is actually only $47.