You must eat breakfast if you want to lose weight
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Do you really believe that if you went to the library you won't find ANY books that support his sports doc's advice? Along with a plethora of books that support paleo, fasting, low carb, Atkins, 6 meals, gluten free, high fat, juicing, cleanses, etc? Or does your local library branch only have one type of nutrition book?
she wouldn't find many that were published anytime recently, with studies to back them up..................
because the advice is flat out wrong.
LOLOLOLOL!!! Go to Amazon right NOW and look for nutrition books and sort them by publication dates. Go ahead, I'll wait for you to get back.
.....back now? See how many books with differing advice were publishing in the last 60 days??? And every one of them has "studies" to back them up. Do yourself a favor, and look closely at the conditions of the studies and see if you're still a true believer in *any* study, whether it supports your position or not.
Just cuz it's new don't make it true.
ya, what he said!0 -
Then why does time to fatigue fall within a fasted state as per the Loy S et al study?
link to study please?
I don't train fasted, because I don't perform as well if I'm thinking about being hungry........ so I've never really looked into it much.0 -
I understand everyone is now jumping on the "no breakfast" bandwagon, but i think if you don't have breakfast you are setting yourself up to eat more later in the day. You do need to fuel your body in the morning, IN MY OPINION! I believe that if you don't, then you are running on empty for too long and your body goes into starvation mode (thus lowering your metabolism). But that is MY OPINION only because I have gotten to know my body very well and that is what works for me!0
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Maybe it's true that you must eat breakfast if you want to be healthy, but it's definitely NOT true that you have to eat breakfast to lose weight. I am perfect proof. I do try to eat breakfast, and today I definitely did, but for the majority of my life, I never ate breakfast. My family just never cared for that meal, I guess. lol. Losing weight is all about calories in and out. It's simple to get the calories you need without going over and to still get all your nutrients in if you skip "breakfast." Which to me just means waiting a few hours to eat-- like maybe until noon or later. I get your point in encouraging people to eat it, but it's quite silly and unscientific to say you can't lose weight-- or even be healthy-- just because you wait a few hours after waking to begin eating.0
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My sports doctor likened my metabolism to a fire. If you want that fire to burn hot and bright then you must feed it otherwise it will be dull and pitiful and of little use. Providing little warm and light. But if I throw on a big log and give that fire a good kick start then it will be hot, useful and efficient requiring top ups during the day. The body is the same way. Feed it breakfast and it will run hot and efficiently all day.. After all there is a reason for the saying "Breakfast like a King, lunch like a prince and dine like a pauper."
no offense but your sports doctor is wrong. your metabolism just doesn't work that way.
My sports doctor trained Olympic athletes, published books, has run in many world wide marathons, duathlons and triathlons and has been part of the running community for 25 plus years. Yeah I guess he doesn't know anything at all huh. Where as you with all of your knowledge and experience know more. My bad.
None of that makes him an expert in nutrition.
To get the best out of an athlete you have to know how to fuel the body. If you participate in the same activity then you have a much better understanding of how to do that. Any good athlete or sports person is very active in gaining knowledge on how to better their nutrition. Under his advice back in 2005 I lost 51lbs and improved my base fitness and my recovery rate so much that I was able to do a martial arts grading that for me started at 7:45am and did not stop until 2:30 pm with a half hour lunch break.
Maybe I should have qualified it more. I was trying to improve my base fitness and lose weight to do a specific event. My main focus was not weight loss. So is he an expert? Maybe not. But he is very knowledgeable. You cannot do what he did for as long as he did without gaining some skills and a whole lot of knowledge along the way.
As for being snotty I am naturally sarcastic and do have to work at toning it down. But you're right, there is no need for it.
You do know most MFP members are more knowledgable and more qualified than any doctor or health/fitness professional out there? Once you get that straight in your head, you will have a much nicer time here
Now, go fire that doctor of yours and stop wasting your time with someone who has spent years studying and start listening to the real experts, you know the ones who've read a few books and online forums?
(....you did say you like sarcasm!)
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I understand everyone is now jumping on the "no breakfast" bandwagon, but i think if you don't have breakfast you are setting yourself up to eat more later in the day. You do need to fuel your body in the morning, IN MY OPINION! I believe that if you don't, then you are running on empty for too long and your body goes into starvation mode (thus lowering your metabolism). But that is MY OPINION only because I have gotten to know my body very well and that is what works for me!
That's great that you have found what works for you. So the statement should be "I need to fuel my body" not "you need to fuel your body". What you state about eating more later in the day if you don't eat breakfast is true for some. It's is untrue for others. In fact for some, like me for example, it sets me up to eat more all day if I DO eat breakfast.
Again, it's all about individual complaince and preference and it is always dangerous territory when we form generalized conclusions from our own anecdotal expreience.
Also, you body doesn't come anywhere near going into "Starvation Mode" within 24 hours. You would need to not eat at all for about 3 to 4 days before your metabolism would start to down regulate. In fact, in the first 24 to 48 hours, there has been some data that has shown your body upregulates. So, with respect, it is somewhat ridiculous to suggest that not eating breakfast roughly 12 hours since your last meal would cause "Starvation Mode". You might was to learn a little more about what that terms means before you throw it out there like that.0 -
I understand everyone is now jumping on the "no breakfast" bandwagon, but i think if you don't have breakfast you are setting yourself up to eat more later in the day. You do need to fuel your body in the morning, IN MY OPINION! I believe that if you don't, then you are running on empty for too long and your body goes into starvation mode (thus lowering your metabolism). But that is MY OPINION only because I have gotten to know my body very well and that is what works for me!
Everyone's bodies are different. I always eat more on days that I DO have breakfast, because I "awaken" my metabolism so early and it seems that it just wants me to keep fueling it. Whether this is scientific or not, it's been true for me my whole life. If you look at my food diary, you can see that on days when I have more than just a coffee for breakfast, I almost always go over on my calories. I just can't stop thinking about food if I eat breakfast sometimes. My body just wants MORE!
It's a personal thing. If I go longer without breakfast, I will be actually hungry for my food and therefore more likely to choose something healthy that will really provide nutrients for my body, rather than just emotional eating or whatever.
Also, starvation mode does not happen that fast. People have a lot of misconceptions about that.
I think eating breakfast or not eating breakfast is not the issue. The way the world is these days, everyone has very particular schedules. Only YOU can know what's best for you.0 -
I understand everyone is now jumping on the "no breakfast" bandwagon, but i think if you don't have breakfast you are setting yourself up to eat more later in the day. You do need to fuel your body in the morning, IN MY OPINION! I believe that if you don't, then you are running on empty for too long and your body goes into starvation mode (thus lowering your metabolism). But that is MY OPINION only because I have gotten to know my body very well and that is what works for me!
whatever works for you is the thing to do.
the starvation mode thing just doesn't happen.........0 -
Don't forget you need AT LEAST 10 meals a day for the best thermogenic effect from food.
And they MUST be spaced three hours apart or you're wasting your time.
And you must stand on your head for the last meal or it won't count.0 -
But you can lose weight without tracking macros or timing your meals.
yes. you can. if you happen to eat the right amounts of food.
I've tried counting calories, tracking macros, and meal timing.
Meal timing has worked best for me so far because I'm not counting anything. I'm eating more than I normally would on a cut. And I'm still losing weight while maintaining strength in the gym, which doesn't always happen.
I wasn't basing what I said on just anecdotal evidence though. It was from reading and understanding nutrition, physiology, etc.
We're way off topic anyway. The bottom line is not only that you don't have to eat breakfast, it's actually optimal to skip it....
I dont' think we are off topic. It is not optimal to skip breakfast if skipping it causes you to overeat later in the day, which seems to be the case for many people. I lost weight without counting anything also. I also did not concern myself with meal timing.0 -
Since you are such an authoritative all-knowing leader, you should take a poll on this site and see how many people actually eat breakfast that have lost 20+ lbs, let alone that crap equation you gave of all of the "right" foods you have to eat at breakfast to lose weight.0
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I dont' think we are off topic. It is not optimal to skip breakfast if skipping it causes you to overeat later in the day, which seems to be the case for many people. I lost weight without counting anything also. I also did not concern myself with meal timing.
It can't "cause" you to overeat. A lack of willpower can do that........
You can lose weight a ton of different ways. But things get tricky when you add in aspects like performance, building muscle, achieving bodyfat in the single digits, etc. Then it takes a bit more work.......It's not really difficult to be average.0 -
Don't forget you need AT LEAST 10 meals a day for the best thermogenic effect from food.
And they MUST be spaced three hours apart or you're wasting your time.
And you must stand on your head for the last meal or it won't count.
That's 30 hour days. Awesome!0 -
Everyones opinion is different on this one. I don't eat breakfast and... (my ticker says it all)0
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I understand everyone is now jumping on the "no breakfast" bandwagon, but i think if you don't have breakfast you are setting yourself up to eat more later in the day. You do need to fuel your body in the morning, IN MY OPINION! I believe that if you don't, then you are running on empty for too long and your body goes into starvation mode (thus lowering your metabolism). But that is MY OPINION only because I have gotten to know my body very well and that is what works for me!
Why do you have an opinion on what the rest of us need? (e.g. " if you don't have breakfast",. "your body", etc.) '
No body goes into starvation mode in less than 24 hrs. But, at least for me, you are correct that skipping breakfast sets me up to at more later in the day. And that is wonderful because I like to eat more in the evening.0 -
I understand everyone is now jumping on the "no breakfast" bandwagon, but i think if you don't have breakfast you are setting yourself up to eat more later in the day.
Not true. Many people end up eating more if they eat breakfast. Skipping a meal does not make you starve.0 -
Then why does time to fatigue fall within a fasted state as per the Loy S et al study?
link to study please?
I don't train fasted, because I don't perform as well if I'm thinking about being hungry........ so I've never really looked into it much.
I'll link it when I get back home dude (on my way to the gym at the mo ironically!)0 -
Didn't read the whole OP because the subject line and first few sentences were just too silly. There are NO "musts" in weight loss.
You MUST eat a calorie deficit under TDEE for weight loss.
Boom.
This isn't necessary either. If you cut off a limb, you will weigh less instantly even if you had a cheat day. Or Liposuction will reduce your weight without eating under TDEE. You can also lose weight by sweating a bunch (lower weight due to less water, but it is still weight loss) But to lose fat on your own without losing a limb, or such, you are correct that a caloric deficit is required.
Smartie-pants!
Also, I eat 2 breakfasts. I'm gonna be boney in no time! :bigsmile:0 -
I'll link it when I get back home dude (on my way to the gym at the mo ironically!)
sounds good. I'll check it out when ya send it over.
I don't do a ton of glycogen depletion type stuff. Not big on running or crossfit. But I replenish my glycogen stores like 4x a week when I backload my carbs. Never have trouble in the gym, and I push "breakfast" back to about 3 hours after waking, and don't have carbs before training. I've only trained fasted once, when I had to squat at 6 a.m. and it wasn't my favorite but I got it done.0 -
I dont' think we are off topic. It is not optimal to skip breakfast if skipping it causes you to overeat later in the day, which seems to be the case for many people. I lost weight without counting anything also. I also did not concern myself with meal timing.
It can't "cause" you to overeat. A lack of willpower can do that........
You can lose weight a ton of different ways. But things get tricky when you add in aspects like performance, building muscle, achieving bodyfat in the single digits, etc. Then it takes a bit more work.......It's not really difficult to be average.
A lack of willpower is the reason or 'cause' that many people overeat. If eating breakfast helps provide willpower later, then that is the optimal way to lose weight. And/or build muscle. And/or lower bodyfat. There are plenty of muscular people with low body fat that eat breakfast. And plenty that don't.0 -
My usual breakfast contains whole grains and fruit. My other breakfast choices tend to be fruit by itself or smoothie or a fresh juice that I make myself.
Edit to say that I also strongly disagree with the original poster.0 -
Not true. Many people end up eating more if they eat breakfast. Skipping a meal does not make you starve.
This is me. If I eat breakfast, I generally have around 300 more calories in my day. If I eat breakfast, I am hungry more often in the day, and thus more likely to eat. I am also even MORE hungry by the time my next meal comes than I am without breakfast and thus more likely to eat even more.
But this thread has gone all sorts of crazy... love it... lol0 -
I don't eat breakfast... or do I?!0
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A lack of willpower is the reason or 'cause' that many people overeat. If eating breakfast helps provide willpower later, then that is the optimal way to lose weight. And/or build muscle. And/or lower bodyfat. There are plenty of muscular people with low body fat that eat breakfast. And plenty that don't.
I dont think eating breakfast instill discipline in people so I'll just agree to disagree.
I've already said that there is more than one way to achieve a certain goal. But there are easier ways and ways that are more optimal....... I'd personally rather skip breakfast and eat a ton later in the day after I finish training. I'm home, it's convenient. And I can slam endless amounts of carbs and still lose weight............0 -
I understand everyone is now jumping on the "no breakfast" bandwagon, but i think if you don't have breakfast you are setting yourself up to eat more later in the day. You do need to fuel your body in the morning, IN MY OPINION! I believe that if you don't, then you are running on empty for too long and your body goes into starvation mode (thus lowering your metabolism). But that is MY OPINION only because I have gotten to know my body very well and that is what works for me!
Why do you have an opinion on what the rest of us need? (e.g. " if you don't have breakfast",. "your body", etc.) '
No body goes into starvation mode in less than 24 hrs. But, at least for me, you are correct that skipping breakfast sets me up to at more later in the day. And that is wonderful because I like to eat more in the evening.
i have an OPINION as to what everyone else needs because its my OPINON! We are on an opinionated forum are we not?0 -
All my life I've heard the OP's statement that "breakfast is the most important meal of the day." and since I was 15 or so I've not eaten breakfast on the regular. Every once in a while I'll get a wild hare up the bum and eat it...but...for the most part its been a latte from the coffee shop on the way to class or work for many years. I've been every weight from 117 to 260 without breakfast, up and down the scale several times. Breakfast does not make one skinny.
I tend to bank my calories for later in the day. I work with a pretty set in stone routine in the morning and it does not include eating. Just the latte. And I can usually make it till 1 or 2pm before I start to even feel hungry. Part of my weight loss successes have been banking calories till later in the evening so I don't end up binging on crap at night and ruining my intake. If I go home, eat dinner and still have 400 calories to play with I'm more likely to succeed at the calories in vs calories out numbers game.
breakfast does usually screw up my daily numbers. They end up bottom heavy and then, around 8pm when I'm feeling all snicksnacky I get HANGRY. I'd rather be able to eat a damn cookie at 11pm then eat some "lean protein" at 7am.0 -
i have an OPINION as to what everyone else needs because its my OPINON! We are on an opinionated forum are we not?
yes. but now you're sounding like that EccentricDad guy.
I have an opinion, that is clearly wrong, can be disproven over and over, but I still hold onto it and put it on the forums.0 -
There are a couple of reasons I eat breakfast. 1. I get hypoglycemic / shakes when I skip meals 2. A protein / healthy carb breakfast helps me stave off the urges to make really stupid food choices later in the day especially in the evening.0
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Didn't read the whole OP because the subject line and first few sentences were just too silly. There are NO "musts" in weight loss.
You MUST eat a calorie deficit under TDEE for weight loss.
As someone already pointed out, this is not true. Just as eating less than TDEE is no guarantee of weight loss.0 -
enough said.Disagree on having to have breakfast. Been intermittent fasting for a while, skipping breakfast eating two large meals a day and losing weight easily. Weight loss is about calories in vs. calories out. Meal timing is really irrelevant IMO.0
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