Did anyoe else just see the worst call in NFL history??
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They've been over the rules....it was Possession by GREEN BAY. He had BOTH hands on it....it was pulled to his chest....one hand doesn't constitute dual possession.
Also according to retired official that was interviewed, they generally let Pass Interference go on plays like that because EVERYONE is going for the ball....however, in my opinion being shoved is not going for the ball.0 -
OMG, are you people going to actually argue the call here? lol ALL of the sports experts are saying it was not a simultaneous catch. Unreal0
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huge Packer fan (and Owner) - UGH - so sad0
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That was THE worst call I've ever seen. We need to get the real refs back in this. My friend's actually writing a letter to the bosses.0
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I'm a Steelers fan (die hard) but I'm angered by these terrible calls. Had this happened to Pittsburgh (and it still could in a later game) I would be FURIOUS. Green Bay fans have a right to be angry. These replacement refs are horrible.0
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I respectfully disagree. From the replays that I saw, Jennings initiated possession first, then Tate got in on the act. It wasn't simultaneous, therefore the simultaneous catch rule doesn't apply. Packers ball- no TD for Seahawks.
And as a Patriots fan- I also have no dog in this fight.
I watched it over and over - Jennings touches the ball at the same time. Here is a good shot of it:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap2000000066000/WK-3-Can-t-Miss-Play-Seahawks-Hail-Mary?module=HP11_headline_stack
Look at 1:03. Keep in mind, nobody has possession until they demonstrate it and you can't do that while you're still in the air. Even if Jennings touches the ball two seconds before Tate, it's irrelevant if he hasn't established possession yet which doesn't take place until the player either makes a football move or gets both feet (body part, etc) down while demonstrating possession.
But at 1:03 you can see Jennings gets his hand in there.0 -
I have never seen so many flags thrown in my life, flag after flag, yet it seems some of the most obvious offenses go un-called. I didnt see the big deal concerning the ref strike but I see it now. I know its a tough job but there is way too many innapropriate calls being made due to inexperience and perhaps even some favortism as well. All I know is I am not a fan of either team and that lit my fire, it wasnt a fair call whatsoever, especially considering that it was the game call. BOOOO0
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Actually, the refs made the right call. If opposing players come down with the football and neither rips it out of the others arms, it automatically goes to the intended receiver which in this case would be the Seahawks even if Jennings had slightly more possession, the Seahawks still maintained contact.
However, yes, most of the games have been horribly officiated in general and the two refs should have conferred before making a call, especially under 2 minutes when the play had to be reviewed anyway.
I agree with joehempel....this should definitely kick them into gear in resolving the strike and getting the normal refs back.
I was getting FLAMED on Facebook for trying to make this same point. Full disclosure: I am a Steelers fan and have no dog in this fight.
Everyone saying that Tate didn't have possession is completely missing his left hand which touches the football at the same time as Jennings. It doesn't matter that Jennings had two hands on it and Tate just a hand or arm. Full out possession doesn't happen until you hit the ground or make a football move. Both men initiated the possession at the exact same time and both men still had possession when they hit the ground. There is absolute;y no rule for one having "more" possession than the other.
Simultaneous possession goes to the receiver. I understand why everyone thinks this is the wrong call, but it's simply not. It's just wrong to say that Tate tried to "steal" the ball once Jennings had possession. Tate clearly touches the ball at the same time as Jennings and both men come down with it.
Yeah, I can't post this on Facebook without being permanently run out of town. I live an hour north of Green Bay and 90% of my friends list are rabid Packer fans. It's such a rarely used rule that most people don't realize it. The call itself was correct, but the lack of penalties after is debatable. It doesn't even have to be at the same time. If the receiver gets a hand on it AROUND the same time as the defender, and both hang on it still goes to the receiver.
Now, I am a Colts fan, but I do cheer for the Packers if they're playing anyone but the Colts so yes, I am being pretty unbiased here. I could rage that it should have been an INT but A. it shouldn't have been by NFL rules and regulations and B. it will do NOTHING to change the outcome of the game.
I got to see the Patriots and the Steelers lose, so that was enough to get me through the weekend, even though all of my other teams lost (except Baltimore who I also enjoy watching
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Actually, the refs made the right call. If opposing players come down with the football and neither rips it out of the others arms, it automatically goes to the intended receiver which in this case would be the Seahawks even if Jennings had slightly more possession, the Seahawks still maintained contact.
However, yes, most of the games have been horribly officiated in general and the two refs should have conferred before making a call, especially under 2 minutes when the play had to be reviewed anyway.
I agree with joehempel....this should definitely kick them into gear in resolving the strike and getting the normal refs back.
Problem is-Jennings (GB) had possession first! Then Tate (Seattle) got in on it. The simultaneous catch rule doesn't apply here. The refs mucked up that call big time.
Edit: Yes, then there was the blatant offensive pass interference against Tate. He can deny all he wants- it's on tape and replay for all the world to see.
If the catch is made at or around the same time. Meaning, because Tate got his hands on it just after Jennings, he is credited with possession. It is a dumb rule, but that's how it is. I'm not saying I fully agree with the call, but I can see how it was made.
Also, because pass interference wasn't called on Tate, he can deny it, though it doesn't make it true. Basically, almost every game I've watched has been one bad call after another. Again, I'm just hoping this is finally enough to get them to end the lockout.
But the catch wasn't made at the same time. Jennings caught it- then Tate got a hand on it after the ball was already pulled into Jennings' chest. It wasn't simultaneous, it was a terrible call. Which is probably why the two refs made two different calls. Too bad the wrong one stood.0 -
huge Packer fan (and Owner) - UGH - so sad
by the way - any Packer fans who would like to add me, feel free - I need support in not drinking too many beers on nights like tonight! However, my workout tomorrow is going to be a BEAST, A LOT OF PENT UP ANGER GOING TO BE RELEASED!
just add it in the request - football season is always tough on me!0 -
rightt!!!Wow, talk about GB getting ROBBED. And I'm not even a Packers fan0 -
OMG, are you people going to actually argue the call here? lol ALL of the sports experts are saying it was not a simultaneous catch. Unreal
I know right? Interception all the way...it was a no brainer...ONE HAND doesn't mean possession....and even AFTER he hit the ground he didn't get TWO hands on it until quite AFTER they hit the ground!!0 -
From Yahoo news:
And based on the NFL rule, it shouldn't have been a catch . And the fact it was a replay and still wrong, makes it worse (Let's not even mention it was blatant offensive pass interference). The rule clearly states the play was an interception:
Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneous by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains control.
I guess I'm just glad I'm at work, and couldn't watch the game. I'm afraid I might not have a tv after hearing this......
(Pack fan since age 3..... )0 -
Payback for the ****ty calls that the Seahawks got in that superbowl a few years back.
My feeling exactly!0 -
All of you Packers fans can gripe about the final call all you want, and even though I am a Hawks fan I can agree that the officials totally botched the situation, but you can't overlook that most of the second half the Packers benefited from the poor one sided officiating. Had the last play been called differently, Hawks fans would have been just as justified in their outrage at the loss because the second touchdown the Packers got was on a drive kept alive by not only obvious bad calls against the Seahawks, but also non-calls for holding and hands to the face against the Packers.
Understandably teams are able to make adjustments at halftime, but an offense that was getting owned the entire first half the way the Packers were don't miraculously become perfect over a 15 minute break. Regardless of who got the W, the officials played WAY to large a part in the outcome.0 -
That was a bad call probably the worst call but lets all agree these guys need to go so we can get back to some of the Football we all love.0
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That was a bad call probably the worst call but lets all agree these guys need to go so we can get back to some of the Football we all love.
I don't think there is any question of that. Horrible horrible horrible. Apparently these aren't even collegiate level officials, they are taken from High School and "some" bottom ranked Div IV colleges0 -
I guess we'll see a new rule next year....."if you catch the person intercepting the pass in the end zone, it will be ruled a touchdown."
Also, without the shove to the back by Tate - he would've NEVER had a hand on that ball...very obvious.0 -
You are incorrect. They discussed this several times last night. If it is a simultaneous catch it goes to the passing team. This was not the case here. He never did have posession of the ball. Jennings had it to his chest and the Tate had one arm on it. That is not a catch.0
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How about the horrible pass interference call against the packers when it should have clearly been offensive interference!!! Hand around his neck and facemask?? Even the announcers said the same. Also when Tate pushed off in the end zone!! Come on. Horrible horrilbe game. Worst I have ever seen. I am not taking a thing away from the seahawks defense becasue they played an amazing first half but this was unreal!!!0
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Seahawks girl here.....
Yep - bad call but......I would feel bad for Green Bay ...but they could of made the two point conversion... lol
How many holding calls did the refs missed against the Packers? Guess they made it up at the end?
As an avid NFL fan, you disgust me.
And the Packers did come out to finish the game. they sent 11 out for the Extra Point. The refs even left the field after all that. The Packers were class personified.
I officially dislike Seahawks fans and hope your team loses every game from here on out just so the ignorant fan base has to suffer.
And I'm not even a Packer fan!0 -
I couldnt believe it!! Im just glad I saw it live cause that was f-king epic!!!! Crazy stuff right there! It was like watching the NBA refs. No call here, phantom call there, makeup call here, ignore the foul there, and lets just give it to the home team!0
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Of all the nights for me to turn the game off and go to bed. Oh well, I'm sure the refs will do something very similar this week, and the week after, and the week after.....until the real refs come back.0
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Actually, the refs made the right call. If opposing players come down with the football and neither rips it out of the others arms, it automatically goes to the intended receiver which in this case would be the Seahawks even if Jennings had slightly more possession, the Seahawks still maintained contact.
However, yes, most of the games have been horribly officiated in general and the two refs should have conferred before making a call, especially under 2 minutes when the play had to be reviewed anyway.
I agree with joehempel....this should definitely kick them into gear in resolving the strike and getting the normal refs back.
You should be banned from watching or talking about football. You are 100% incorrect. Jennings had sole possession of the ball and Tate had a hand on the ball AFTER the fact.
"It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control."0 -
Seahawks girl here.....
Yep - bad call but......I would feel bad for Green Bay ...but they could of made the two point conversion... lol
How many holding calls did the refs missed against the Packers? Guess they made it up at the end?
Umm...what about all of the pass interference calls and holding calls they didn't make against the hawks?? It went both ways...don't even try to say the packers got favored AT ALL in that game. Tate pushed off of Shields on that play, which also should have negated that touchdown anyway. If you're a true football fan, regardless of your team, you have to admit it was a SH!TTY call (AND non-call) and the Packers should have won that game.0 -
Seahawks girl here.....
Yep - bad call but......I would feel bad for Green Bay ...but they could of made the two point conversion... lol
How many holding calls did the refs missed against the Packers? Guess they made it up at the end?
Umm...what about all of the pass interference calls and holding calls they didn't make against the hawks?? It went both ways...don't even try to say the packers got favored AT ALL in that game. Tate pushed off of Shields on that play, which also should have negated that touchdown anyway. If you're a true football fan, regardless of your team, you have to admit it was a SH!TTY call (AND non-call) and the Packers should have won that game.
The "roughing the passer" that happened outside of the pocket that negated the interception. The "defensive pass interference" that was actually offensive pass interference on Sidney Rice.
Seahawks fans cried robbery after they lost the Super Bowl, but now that you benefit from it, it's ok. The true definition of a classless organization and fan base. As a Giants fan, I am proud of our 4 trophies and I hope you guys never get to celebrate one. You don't deserve it.0 -
Seahawks girl here.....
Yep - bad call but......I would feel bad for Green Bay ...but they could of made the two point conversion... lol
How many holding calls did the refs missed against the Packers? Guess they made it up at the end?
Umm...what about all of the pass interference calls and holding calls they didn't make against the hawks?? It went both ways...don't even try to say the packers got favored AT ALL in that game. Tate pushed off of Shields on that play, which also should have negated that touchdown anyway. If you're a true football fan, regardless of your team, you have to admit it was a SH!TTY call (AND non-call) and the Packers should have won that game.
The "roughing the passer" that happened outside of the pocket that negated the interception. The "defensive pass interference" that was actually offensive pass interference on Sidney Rice.
Seahawks fans cried robbery after they lost the Super Bowl, but now that you benefit from it, it's ok. The true definition of a classless organization and fan base. As a Giants fan, I am proud of our 4 trophies and I hope you guys never get to celebrate one. You don't deserve it.
Really hoping you weren't replying to my post on here. I'm a Packers fan and I'm very proud of our THIRTEEN trophies. There is no classier organization than the Green Bay Packers. No other team can match our history and storied background as a team. However, if the shoe had been on the other foot in this situation, I would not be on here gloating that the Packers won a good game. I'm a big enough FOOTBALL fan to be able to say that even though they got a win, it was a bad win and the refs have got to go. Like I said in my previous post, any REAL football fan, regardless of your team, has to admit that the win is bogus.0 -
No, I'm agreeing with your point and responding to the person you quoted lol0
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No, I'm agreeing with your point and responding to the person you quoted lol
Ahh....okay!
Thanks! LOL :laugh: 0 -
I'm not a fan of the Packers or Seahawks, but that last call was a disgrace to the NFL. The ball was clearly caught by Jennings, and the Seahawk player (whatever his name is), had his arm around jennings who was on top of him. He did not have the ball. It was an interception, hands down. That was the worst call EVER and the NFL needs to bring back the regular refs. I was glad to see the Packers leave the field and was hoping they wouldn't go back on for the field goal kick, but at the same time, they were classy and went back onto the field. Major props to the Packers.
The NFL is becoming a joke because of these "Footlocker employees" they have on the field. They are not qualified to do this, and they are making a mockery of the NFL. It's really sad when, after watching a game, all you talk about is the refs and the horrible calls they made instead of the game itself.0
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