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The Starvation Mode Myth...again.

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  • nje444nje444 Member Posts: 62 Member Posts: 62
    I applaud your efforts, but starvation mode will never die on mfp


    It will certainly never die as long as MFP spins this yarn - "*Based on your total calories consumed for today, you are eating too few calories. Not only is it difficult to receive adequate nutrition at these calorie levels, but you could also be putting your body into starvation mode. Starvation mode lowers your metabolism and makes weight loss more difficult. We suggest increasing your calorie consumption to 1200 calories per day minimum."

    If this so called 'starvation mode' exists - why were the people in WW2 camps, and why are anorexics, like walking skeletons? Certainly all these people were/are very, very ill and malnourished, but it did NOT happen because their calorie intake went under 1200 for a few days.

    Does it? Jesus! They need to rethink this big time!


    I think we should start a petition to take that nonsense down!!! They could still have the warning, but just take out all the starvation mode bs.

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    Agreed 100% but they should also change the response after you finish logging for the day. According to MFP, I should be down to between 109 and 112 lbs because of my diet/exercise ratio. Not only is that not happening, it is not something I am going for. A simple "Congratulations" would be better than throwing out numbers.
  • fast_eddie_72fast_eddie_72 Member Posts: 726 Member Member Posts: 726 Member
    Reading the forums for the last couple of days, it seems this very informative thread is over-due for a Feb. bump.
  • cabinfeverinalaskacabinfeverinalaska Member Posts: 1 Member Posts: 1
    What is TDEE?
  • molonlabe762molonlabe762 Member Posts: 411 Member Member Posts: 411 Member
    bump for later
  • fast_eddie_72fast_eddie_72 Member Posts: 726 Member Member Posts: 726 Member
    What is TDEE?

    Total Daily Energy Expenditure.
  • sunny111775sunny111775 Member Posts: 6 Member Posts: 6
    ditto to that
  • jazzyfizz4658jazzyfizz4658 Member Posts: 1 Member Posts: 1
    i do completely agree with this, what i really wanna know is how can you get out of 'starvation mode'?
  • deksgrldeksgrl Member Posts: 7,352 Member Member Posts: 7,352 Member
    i do completely agree with this, what i really wanna know is how can you get out of 'starvation mode'?

    Reverse diet. Slowly increase your calories up to where it should be. Add 100 calories per week.
  • bunnydumplingbunnydumpling Member Posts: 8 Member Member Posts: 8 Member
    That's such an old experiment! We've come so far in 60+ years...Are you a RD (registered dietitian), or at least a nutritionist?
  • bunnydumplingbunnydumpling Member Posts: 8 Member Member Posts: 8 Member
    Actually I forgot to add that I used to skip meals profusely and exercise 5-6 times/week doing about 100 minutes of hard cardio each time and also up to an hour of weight training while restricting. I saw a RD who told me that I had to quit exercising and just eat and I lost 15 pounds in 2.5 months with her as my personal meal planner. Get a professional to help plan the amount of exercise and meals if you wanna lose the weight!
  • fast_eddie_72fast_eddie_72 Member Posts: 726 Member Member Posts: 726 Member
    That's such an old experiment! We've come so far in 60+ years...

    Evolution doesn't work that fast.
  • rocknlotsofrollsrocknlotsofrolls Member Posts: 418 Member Member Posts: 418 Member
    IF starvation mode were true, you would'nt see skinny starving kids on those commercials. IF you don't eat, the body will take your stored fat. That's why Camels have humps.
  • Chain_RingChain_Ring Member Posts: 753 Member Member Posts: 753 Member
  • MagJam2004MagJam2004 Member Posts: 654 Member Member Posts: 654 Member
    IF starvation mode were true, you would'nt see skinny starving kids on those commercials. IF you don't eat, the body will take your stored fat. That's why Camels have humps.

    I tried so hard to read all these posts seriously, but I lost it on this one, and am still smiling while writing this.

    Unfortunately I don't have a link to a research article or published paper on the subject but I would have to believe there is a wide difference between a malnourished Ethiopian child, and someone with a screwed up diet. By diet, I mean the food they eat not the program they are on. When I think of starvation mode, I immediately start thinking about when I skip breakfast. This makes me think about the different studies (again no links, sorry) that show folks who skip breakfast gain more weight than those who don't. There are probably about as many or more that disagree with that opinion which leads me to only one conclusion. You will have to find what works for you and your body. Try that TDEE thing though it sounds horribly complicated to my simple self. Try fasting, since it worked in the old days when food wasn't so readily available (I assume since agriculture and domesticated animals weren't always around). But for heaven's sake, don't start comparing yourself to camels, or donation infomercials! Unless you are in fact a malnourished Ethiopian child, in which case I empathize and wish you the best. *queue a Rebecca St. James song in the back ground*
  • vschwgrt1vschwgrt1 Member Posts: 88 Member Member Posts: 88 Member
    what I would like to know is, what exactly is starvation mode. 1200, 1000, 900? and what if those calories are good clean food? Lean protean , lots of vegs and fruit. Low fat dairy? How can that be starvation? Lots of water, a multi vitamin. I can eat a lot of good food for 1100 calories
  • geebusukgeebusuk Member Posts: 3,389 Member Member Posts: 3,389 Member
    This makes me think about the different studies (again no links, sorry) that show folks who skip breakfast gain more weight than those who don't.
    But do they show that they gain more weight WHILE on reduced calories. Anything I've seen directly links weight gain and weight loss to calories.

    Some people find that they eat more later if they don't have breakfast. Many people find the exact opposite.
  • MagJam2004MagJam2004 Member Posts: 654 Member Member Posts: 654 Member
    Some people find that they eat more later if they don't have breakfast.

    From what I remember, I think that was the focus of the article. You end up eating too much later in the day. To be honest, I don't recall a mention of calorie requirements. It was one of those, average person on an average diet kind of things.
  • lisawinning4losinglisawinning4losing Member Posts: 732 Member Member Posts: 732 Member

    Does Starvation mode cause our bodies to catabilize (devour our muscles and other lean mass)? Yes and No.

    Lean individuals lost great amounts of fat-free, lean tissue during starvation, but obese individuals lost much more fat tissue. The loss of lean mass is not as critical to the obese person simply because an obese person has more lean mass than a person of the same age and height but normal weight. Here we get to a basic idea that makes sense – fat storage – the same way animals build up bulk to rely on during the winter, obese people have fat stores they can use (to a limited extent) in times of need. This means that the effects of a semi-starvation diet upon a normal weight individual are of course much more devastating than the effects on someone who is obese.


    I'm glad you pointed this out because it's true that your body will use fat stores before it will start eating into your muscle. So, if you're obese then you really don't have to worry too much about starvation mode. But, if you go too low it can still have a negative effect on your metabolism. I think that for an overweight person 1200, especially if that's net, sounds perfectly reasonable, if you can do it.
  • lisawinning4losinglisawinning4losing Member Posts: 732 Member Member Posts: 732 Member
    Also, I think it helps if you eat a lot of protein.
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