Clean eating condiments?

secretlobster

You're frustrated with the strawman she set up or you're frustrated with her comments above?

If you think I'm creating a "strawman" argument (perhaps you need to read up on logical fallacies, this one is thrown around a lot and misunderstood), then let's step back, so you can explain to me why it's "alarmist" to eat fewer lab-created ingredients

SideSteel

let's step back, so you can explain to me why it's "alarmist" to eat fewer lab-created ingredients

Find where I said the above please.

Thanks.

secretlobster

Did you know that most developing countries use condiments and certainly the majority of traditional dishes I have tasted around the world have some sort of sauce or spice. My mustard, my Masala powder, my mole, my sari-chi, my salt, my vinegar, etc. etc. etc. have no HFCs. I really do not see what that has got to do with it.

Yes I did know that. What's your point here? Someone asked for ideas for condiments, no one said all condiments are over-processed vials of genetically modified evil.

secretlobster

Find where I said the above please.

You link to a blog post about "fructose alarmism" and identify lab-created food/growing obesity as a "false dilemma".

You are now arguing semantics and logical fallacies. Your argument has become an argument about arguments. You may find yourself the "winner", but you've actually gotten nowhere.

Hopefully the OP got something out of this thread.

EvgeniZyntx

If you think I'm creating a "strawman" argument (perhaps you need to read up on logical fallacies, this one is thrown around a lot and misunderstood), then let's step back, so you can explain to me why it's "alarmist" to eat fewer lab-created ingredients

Which lab-created ingredients are you talking about?

Ever heard of lycopene? It's a natural phytochemical from tomatoes found in ketchup and marinara sauce. It is also also a food coloring (e160d) and has know and researched possible/unclear anti-cancer properties. Would you like that sauce with a reference?

SideSteel

You are now arguing semantics and logical fallacies. Your argument has become an argument about arguments. You may find yourself the "winner", but you've actually gotten nowhere.

I am pointing out your logical fallacies because you are not even discussing points that I am making. You are taking my points and setting up your own strawmen and then knocking them down.

Hopefully the OP got something out of this thread.

I absolutely agree with this part.

secretlobster

Ever heard of lycopene? It's a natural phytochemical from tomatoes found in ketchup and marinara sauce. It is also also a food coloring (e160d) and has know and researched possible/unclear anti-cancer properties. Would you like that sauce with a reference?

Because you don't seem able to figure this out, I'll be blunt. No, obviously I have nothing against the TOMATOES in tomato sauce.

Honestly, I've got no choice but to concede defeat. Everyone has references to why they're right. No one is going to change their mind. If you don't believe there's any merit to eating food that comes from the ground without being chemically altered by humans, that's absolutely your prerogative. I'm not interested in changing your mind. My interest was giving the OP ideas on flavoring food without compromising what she wants from her own diet.

pandorakick

Mustard! If you can get mustard seed and have a mortar and pestle, you can even make your own. There are plenty of recipes to be found on the web for that.

hughtwalker

Hey! Kiddies - play nice


Anyway, so which foods are unclean then?

peuglow

To those who have some issue against the "clean eating" concept, why bother reading this thread?

Because people have a misunderstanding that partitioning their food into "clean" and "unclean" will give them an advantage in weight loss and/or health, when the reality is that they should be looking at nutritive content, among other things.

QFT.

10/10 Would read again

Zeromilediet

Is it only on MFP that people manage to get their socks in a knot over a simple question?

EvgeniZyntx

Ever heard of lycopene? It's a natural phytochemical from tomatoes found in ketchup and marinara sauce. It is also also a food coloring (e160d) and has know and researched possible/unclear anti-cancer properties. Would you like that sauce with a reference?

Because you don't seem able to figure this out, I'll be blunt. No, obviously I have nothing against the TOMATOES in tomato sauce.

Honestly, I've got no choice but to concede defeat. Everyone has references to why they're right. No one is going to change their mind. If you don't believe there's any merit to eating food that comes from the ground without being chemically altered by humans, that's absolutely your prerogative. I'm not interested in changing your mind. My interest was giving the OP ideas on flavoring food without compromising what she wants from her own diet.

e160d is also a manufactured colorant. It isn't bad per se.
That's fine that is your interest, please go ahead and give that input.

My interest is that these blanket condemnations about types of food based on hearsay be challenged because they make no sense and actually are the wrong focus to promote to people. These ideas taken to an extreme do not make sense. You are against fad diets, I only ask that you consider having a very critical attitude when a type of food selection process is being taken to such levels if you are going to make a an argument about "this is the way to eat". If it is your own personal choice - go to it, eat as you like.

The HFCs strawman has been put to rest. Again, what specific ingredients are pervasively present in all condiments that would make them un"clean"? The answer is none.

Should I somehow stop using sauces, spices from around the world because they have somehow magically become un"clean"? Again the answer is no.

hughtwalker

Is it only on MFP that people manage to get their socks in a knot over a simple question?

Have ever been to a Dental Association meeting? - or a Bible Study Group? - or even a Choir Committee Meeting

In short - NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zeromilediet

Is it only on MFP that people manage to get their socks in a knot over a simple question?

Have ever been to a Dental Association meeting? - or a Bible Study Group? - or even a Choir Committee Meeting

In short - NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is truth to Sartre's 'Hell is other people' I guess :-)

hughtwalker

Is it only on MFP that people manage to get their socks in a knot over a simple question?

Have ever been to a Dental Association meeting? - or a Bible Study Group? - or even a Choir Committee Meeting

In short - NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is truth to Sartre's 'Hell is other people' I guess :-)

Oh yes! When you're this overweight, anyway (see photo)

cbrrabbit25

Bacon.

Yes, bacon or nuts are my condiments. or sometimes tuna also.

melissa5604

I put Lousiana hot sauce or Tabasco on everything, I am kind of partial when it comes to that stuff...have not eaten ketchup in yrs...if I cook a steak it does NOT need a condiment and if you put one on a piece of meat I cook , I WILL take it as an insult or my cooking is NO good.
For steaks, and pork chops, I use one of two things, either Montreal steak seasoning..and a little vinegar to tendorize , or Tony Chachere's cajun season.
I also do not ever flour or bread m,y pork. My mom did that..bread pork chops every week.. I just add the seasoning and cook them in the pan and they come out crispy.

If I get a steak not cooked right , I got to have A1 or Heinze 57 ....:(

EvgeniZyntx

Is it only on MFP that people manage to get their socks in a knot over a simple question?

Have ever been to a Dental Association meeting? - or a Bible Study Group? - or even a Choir Committee Meeting

In short - NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is truth to Sartre's 'Hell is other people' I guess :-)

... literary aside ...

Sartre's idea was actually much darker - it would be better to translate the phrase not literally but more likely " Hell is others" - it is intended as a commentary not of the difficulty of dealing with other but of the self-awareness that the view of others bring to our own awareness of ourselves. In his view, when we see ourselves through the eyes of others we are diminished. In the current care, this would be true if the OP and the clean-extreme crowd saw our criticism as some sort of new awareness of personal failings. Not really possible or wanted.
Sartre's view in this case is weak and diluted, how can one suddenly be confronted by a personal character flaw and absorb it as a truth in the anonymity of the Internet where we have the computer screen to provide some defense and do not/cannot truly pretend to provide deep insights into the failings of other? Sartre might be reduced today to "Annoyance is other people."

hughtwalker

that works too

Zeromilediet

Is it only on MFP that people manage to get their socks in a knot over a simple question?

Have ever been to a Dental Association meeting? - or a Bible Study Group? - or even a Choir Committee Meeting

In short - NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is truth to Sartre's 'Hell is other people' I guess :-)

... literary aside ...

Sartre's idea was actually much darker - it would be better to translate the phrase not literally but more likely " Hell is others" - it is intended as a commentary not of the difficulty of dealing with other but of the self-awareness that the view of others bring to our own awareness of ourselves. In his view, when we see ourselves through the eyes of others we are diminished. In the current care, this would be true if the OP and the clean-extreme crowd saw our criticism as some sort of new awareness of personal failings. Not really possible or wanted.
Sartre's view in this case is weak and diluted, how can one suddenly be confronted by a personal character flaw and absorb it as a truth in the anonymity of the Internet where we have the computer screen to provide some defense and do not/cannot truly pretend to provide deep insights into the failings of other? Sartre might be reduced today to "Annoyance is other people."

sigh

EvgeniZyntx

why the sigh?