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  • sam308lbs
    sam308lbs Posts: 1,936 Member
    Doing cardio and skipping the strength training is the worst thing you can do for your weight loss. You'll burn lean mass along with the extra calories. I'm copying and pasting my answer from another thread:

    It is much easier to establish a calorie deficit via diet rather than exercise. Diet is the key to weight loss. Take in less than you burn and you will lose weight. Weight training will affect the QUALITY of your loss, meaning that you will lose more fat and less muscle if you weight train while eating at a deficit.

    Too much cardio doesn't help. It's an alternative way of establishing a deficit, but it's easier to establish a deficit via diet. From Lyle McDonald (long but in-depth detail): http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/exercise-and-weightfat-loss-part-1.html

    The only cardio I do is some walking and a short (10min) bike ride to the gym as a warm-up. I've been losing steadily since May by establishing a deficit in my diet. Cardio is completely unnecessary for weight loss.


    And some thoughts on too much cardio from one of the world's top strength coaches:

    1. Continuous aerobic work plateaus after 8 weeks of training so anything more is counterproductive.
    2. Aerobic training worsens power locally and systemically – in other words, it can make you slower.
    3. Aerobic training increases oxidative stress which can accelerate aging.
    4. Aerobic training increases adrenal stress which can make you fatter and produce other undesirable health consequences
    5. Aerobic training increases body fat in stressed individuals by contributing additional stress.
    6. Aerobic training worsens testosterone/cortisol ratio which impedes your ability to add fat burning lean muscle.


    http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/25/Getting_Maximum_Results_Part_I_-_Alternatives_to_A.aspx

    arrghh!! why didnt i come across this before...i have been busting my *kitten* this week..more than 1.5 hrs of cardio daily and lost zilch compared to what i lost the last week..now i know :(
  • Shadow1954
    Shadow1954 Posts: 3 Member
    Weights 4x week:

    Upper or lower: 1 minute sprint then 2 exercises 3 sets of 10, 50 ab crunches w/ 100 lbs. repeat 4-5 times through all exercises. Then 30-45 minutes kickboxing/heavy bag and nexersys.
    One weight workout I lower all weights and do 1 set of 50 for all upper and lower w/ ab crunches.
    1-2 days low intensity cardio either elliptical plus bike or outdoors hiking, snowshoeing etc.

    Down 60 lbs and 16.5% Body Fat. Started on MFP 2 months ago. I've been at this for a year.

    Does anybody else think BMI sucks? Body fat under 20% but BMI says I'm very obese.
  • taekwonkenpo
    taekwonkenpo Posts: 1,004
    I don't agree that cardio is completly unneccesary for weight loss. I do agree with many of the finer points in the post above, but cardio is what will get your heart rate to where it needs to be to help you maintain a good matabolism for fat burning througout your workout and the rest of your day.

    A person can loose weight without cardio but not if they have a very unactive lifestyle. Strength training can do the trick if done reliogisly and in the correct way. Cardio is the best way to help people see results faster. The best regiment is some mix of both. To burn fat and buils muscle at the same time.
  • jaysonhijinx
    jaysonhijinx Posts: 663 Member
    I got started on my weight/fat loss adventure in January this year and pretty much ate a calorie deficit and just did cardio 3-5 times a week, usually a fast paced walk for 30-60 minutes or playing basketball. Weight fell off really quickly but and while I had lost a considerable amount of weight a good portion of it was existing lean muscle mass so I still looked pudgy,

    I started to lift weights some time in May and put back on some of the weight I had originally lost, however I'd lost cm's around my waist and started to look slimmer and as I continued to lift, saw changes in the shape of my body. Had I known when I started out, what I know now, I definitely would have been putting a bigger emphasis on weights training along with a diet tailored for what my aim was at the time (bulking/cutting) with a few cardio sessions (walking/HIIT/basketball) thrown in for additional fat burning and conditioning.
  • taekwonkenpo
    taekwonkenpo Posts: 1,004
    All right guys, what do you do to get rid of the beer belly? What do you think is the best way to bring sexy back?
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    I don't agree that cardio is completly unneccesary for weight loss. I do agree with many of the finer points in the post above, but cardio is what will get your heart rate to where it needs to be to help you maintain a good matabolism for fat burning througout your workout and the rest of your day.

    A person can loose weight without cardio but not if they have a very unactive lifestyle. Strength training can do the trick if done reliogisly and in the correct way. Cardio is the best way to help people see results faster. The best regiment is some mix of both. To burn fat and buils muscle at the same time.

    This. Do what you like because doing that will make you DO IT.

    Beer belly? Lose weight. Abs exercises to tighten but "you can't spot reduce" hold for all.
    Sexy is n the head. Up the mental game.

    Btw. What was intended by the the thread title? Different how?
  • taekwonkenpo
    taekwonkenpo Posts: 1,004
    what does spot reduce mean?

    The tread title is just meant to mean a forum for guys to motivate other guys. But lady's are always welcome. :love:
  • FightingGenetics
    FightingGenetics Posts: 108 Member
    I'm day 69 into P90x and I can see the Finnish line. I've got some good results thus far and I'm looking to blow it out of the water in these last three weeks. Check out my day 60 progress here: http://teamfightinggenetics.com/2012/10/updated-stats-day-60/
  • jmoralesx5
    jmoralesx5 Posts: 128 Member
    I'm 50+ days into my P90X and pressing play everyday! Feel free to add. I'm always on here.

    I lost over 30 pounds my first time around on P90X and eating right. However I've tried like 6 times to start round 2 and I can't seem to get the discipline this time. I'm on week 4 and I pretty much didn't work out at all. Any feedback you can give me to keep me going?
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    what does spot reduce mean?

    The tread title is just meant to mean a forum for guys to motivate other guys. But lady's are always welcome. :love:

    Spot reduce - reducing in a single spot. A beer belly is fat, to get rid of it one needs to lose weight as there is no way to just reduce in one place.
  • bufger
    bufger Posts: 763 Member
    I'm a big guy and ive been concentrating more on weights. The scales are showing no movement but i can see and feel thet my fat is reducing! I've gone down 2 jeans sizes but with only a loss of 12lb on the scale? i'm ignoring the scale now as i can feel some mean guns under my arm fat and they're begging to break through. I think i might just be destined to be a bigger muscly guy, i dont really want to cut until goal and then build muscle if its better to do it now whilst i have the size.
  • Vonwarr
    Vonwarr Posts: 390 Member
    @taekwonkenpo - Notice that I never said no cardio, just not to do too much cardio. It comes down to personal preference, but I mostly meant that in general it's a bad idea to drop strength training for more cardio as a healthy way to lose fat. You may lose more weight, but some of the loss may be lean tissue as well as fat.. :)

    @bufger - I found this article useful when I started and tried to decide what direction to take my approach training. http://www.builtlean.com/2012/05/03/lose-fat-first/

    I'm fairly short (5'8"), but large framed, so I have also been focusing on the weights. From what I've read, the best thing is to lose weight while attempting to maintain your current muscle mass, and then build muscle after. There are several reasons in the article I linked above, and from personal experience, it's a lot easier to perform some lifts with less body fat. Especially things like dips and pull-ups.
  • taekwonkenpo
    taekwonkenpo Posts: 1,004
    better stated : ). i totaly agree

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