Loose V lose
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I demand equal rights for Apostrophes (and I still don't know what an APA style manual is - I need to know - NOW!)
Who brought that high horse in here?
Seriously? This thread has been unbearably high, yet dead, horse from post one. And a person who is going to position himself or herself as the arbiter of what is or is not ignorant may want to get their APA style manuals out before criticizing.
Yes but getting annoyed at people is a fundamental human right. If some dog took a dump on your doorstep would you not get annoyed because some people are ignorant of the fact that it is wrong to do that? I should also say that this thread is only a light hearted gripe forum as opposed to a demand for public executions of people who can't use apostrophes.
As an example, I'm annoyed at you for using the American form of criticise and also daring to mention the APA style manual.
Shhhhaaammmmmeee
Those so bold as to correct others may be well advised to thicken their skin for the inevitable criticism they will earn.
That's it, I am forming an army of people with tippex, or the digital equivalent. We shall rid the world of these grammar fouling... dogs. We shall call ourselves "The League of jetscreaminag" after out founder, who demanded that we humiliate anyone who puts loose instead of lose. I can see it now:
What are you going to let it out of a box in the forest you IDIOT.
I am going to loose 5 pounds
Our crest will be a man being paralysed with an APA manual.
THE FUTURE STARTS NOW!!!!
Oh my god, I have used too many exclamation marks! Please don't turn on me!
No! Not the manual! Forgive me jetscreaminag!
BLARK.
(That is the closest sound I can make of someone being smacked with a book)0 -
I demand equal rights for Apostrophes (and I still don't know what an APA style manual is - I need to know - NOW!)
Who brought that high horse in here?
Seriously? This thread has been unbearably high, yet dead, horse from post one. And a person who is going to position himself or herself as the arbiter of what is or is not ignorant may want to get their APA style manuals out before criticizing.
Yes but getting annoyed at people is a fundamental human right. If some dog took a dump on your doorstep would you not get annoyed because some people are ignorant of the fact that it is wrong to do that? I should also say that this thread is only a light hearted gripe forum as opposed to a demand for public executions of people who can't use apostrophes.
As an example, I'm annoyed at you for using the American form of criticise and also daring to mention the APA style manual.
Shhhhaaammmmmeee
Those so bold as to correct others may be well advised to thicken their skin for the inevitable criticism they will earn.
That's it, I am forming an army of people with tippex, or the digital equivalent. We shall rid the world of these grammar fouling... dogs. We shall call ourselves "The League of jetscreaminag" after out founder, who demanded that we humiliate anyone who puts loose instead of lose. I can see it now:
What are you going to let it out of a box in the forest you IDIOT.
I am going to loose 5 pounds
Our crest will be a man being paralysed with an APA manual.
THE FUTURE STARTS NOW!!!!
Oh my god, I have used too many exclamation marks! Please don't turn on me!
No! Not the manual! Forgive me jetscreaminag!
BLARK.
(That is the closest sound I can make of someone being smacked with a book)
Capitalising a word which isn't a proper noun? It is the book for you. Prepare your spinal column. You must not contravene the APA manual, even though this is Scotland, and therefore their (incorrect) interpretation of English doesn't fly here.0 -
But I'm Welsh0
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For the record, Jeff, I'm advocating grace and forebearance for others and their mistakes. I'm suggesting that the ruffled feathers regarding "loose" versus "lose" are a bit silly and that pointing out how much smarter one is than others based on word usage is rude. You'll have to find a different standard bearer for this crusade as I do not agree with it.
Hugh. I assure you there are plenty of threads regarding muscles on women. THAT is a subject worth getting riled about in my opinion, but I digress. APA is American Psychological Association, it only matters as they have a style manual that was the authority for issues of formatting and usage in my courses of study. There are others which are at the tip of my tongue but I cannot recall. They weren't required in my courses but were for others. I suspect there are similar things in Britain.0 -
For the record, Jeff, I'm advocating grace and forebearance for others and their mistakes. I'm suggesting that the ruffled feathers regarding "loose" versus "lose" are a bit silly and that pointing out how much smarter one is than others based on word usage is rude. You'll have to find a different standard bearer for this crusade as I do not agree with it.
Hugh. I assure you there are plenty of threads regarding muscles on women. THAT is a subject worth getting riled about in my opinion, but I digress. APA is American Psychological Association, it only matters as they have a style manual that was the authority for issues of formatting and usage in my courses of study. There are others which are at the tip of my tongue but I cannot recall. They weren't required in my courses but were for others. I suspect there are similar things in Britain.
Also for the record, I am saying that it isn't a bad thing to gripe every so often. People do get annoyed about people not checking what they write, I am one of them. Although I don't go correcting them because it isn't really that big a deal. That being said I will correct them if it is a job application or something. I can see why people don't understand my gripes - some people get annoyed when someone doesn't understand a sport, whereas I take it as a point of pride that I don't understand football or american football.
Also, I need to cling on to my last vestiges of grammatical skill, as five years of an engineering degree has destroyed my ability to write in anything other than monosyllabic sentence-ettes, as well as making a semicolon into nothing more than pretty punctuation that I have no idea how to use. On the other hand, I can write greek lettering rather well now.
I think I am loosing my mind.0 -
I should also point out that it is the same as many things. I want to (non literally) stab someone in the head when they use office speak.0
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All I have to say is, "Bought" and "Brought".
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Thankyou - we had "Use of English" but that did rather like us to use the correct word in its proper context.
This thread was channelled into muddy waters by the digression into misuse of punctuation about which I happily concede Jetscreaminag has a point. As for using a totally different word - well, THAT is just plain wrong.
Regarding cross-cultural differences such as "S" and "Z", single "L" in participles, these are just niggles. I blame Ol' Noah.
What Mr Webster's 1806 dictionary sets out to do, in my opinion, is to avoid using the language of the "Oppressive Imperialist Occupiers" from whom they had wrested control in 1783 (viz. Us) without the hassle of learning a new language (As you probably already know, they seriously considered adopting German as the national tongue for that very reason - in which case Spanish would be the most worldwidespread language - probably, since the Chinese don't tend to get out much [up to now])
Pax vobiscum0 -
Also, I need to cling on to my last vestiges of grammatical skill, as five years of an engineering degree has destroyed my ability to write in anything other than monosyllabic sentence-ettes, as well as making a semicolon into nothing more than pretty punctuation that I have no idea how to use. On the other hand, I can write greek lettering rather well now.
For the avoidance of doubt, the main purpose of the semi-colon is to make a winky face.
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The mods will eventually come in here and let us know that criticism on grammar and English usage is specifically against the rules because it discourages people from asking questions and offering help.
However apparently I'm arguing with a Scot and a guy from Wales both of whom have aimed a slight at England. As an American with Irish descent who's family was targeted by Cromwell, I can get behind this. Shall we lay down our quarrels with each other and unite against the common enemy of English rule? Of course we'll have a difficulty communicating in Gaelic and Scottish (there was a unique language there right? I am ignorant here) and whatever would be spoken in Wales without the intrusion of those English invading dogs.0 -
Forty years of dentistry has destroyed my ability to writeAlso, I need to cling on to my last vestiges of grammatical skill, as five years of an engineering degree has destroyed my ability to write in anything ...0 -
I'm not shure that this thread will have the affect your looking fore.
:laugh: They certainly no how to loose there minds about grammar!0 -
Here's how to remember it:
'loose' rhymes with 'moose'
'lose' rhymes with 'poos'
Think of a moose pooing.
(I can't think of any '-ose' words that rhyme with 'lose' - they tend to rhyme with 'nose'. 'Lose' is an irregular spelling. It makes sense that people might think it would be spelt like 'choose'.)0 -
She wins the thread.Also, I need to cling on to my last vestiges of grammatical skill, as five years of an engineering degree has destroyed my ability to write in anything other than monosyllabic sentence-ettes, as well as making a semicolon into nothing more than pretty punctuation that I have no idea how to use. On the other hand, I can write greek lettering rather well now.
For the avoidance of doubt, the main purpose of the semi-colon is to make a winky face.0 -
I am unhappy about all these loose minds running around uncontrolled0
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think of a moose oozing - that should fix itHere's how to remember it:
'loose' rhymes with 'moose'
'lose' rhymes with 'poos'
Think of a moose pooing.
(I can't think of any '-ose' words that rhyme with 'lose' - they tend to rhyme with 'nose'. 'Lose' is an irregular spelling. It makes sense that people might think it would be spelt like 'choose'.)0 -
I am unhappy about all these loose minds running around uncontrolled
They really should be learned a thing or to.0 -
Sounds to me like it's time to start up "My Grammar Pal".0
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On the whole it is generally known as Welsh - but you knew that, didn't you? Diolch yn fawr (and don't ever ask anyone to translate the words of "Sospan fach" - (so enthusiastically sung at Rugby matches) - it would just sound silly.The mods will eventually come in here and let us know that criticism on grammar and English usage is specifically against the rules because it discourages people from asking questions and offering help.
However apparently I'm arguing with a Scot and a guy from Wales both of whom have aimed a slight at England. As an American with Irish descent who's family was targeted by Cromwell, I can get behind this. Shall we lay down our quarrels with each other and unite against the common enemy of English rule? Of course we'll have a difficulty communicating in Gaelic and Scottish (there was a unique language there right? I am ignorant here) and whatever would be spoken in Wales without the intrusion of those English invading dogs.
(like grand opera, some things NEED to be in "Foreign" -which is what 'Welsh' means)0 -
Oh, this again. *snore*0
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I honestly wasn't sure. And I didn't know the noun for a person from Wales. And j was chagrined to see that you'd already covered language as a protest of the rule of Imperial England while I was slowly pecking out my words on this stupid touch screen.
On the whole it is generally known as Welsh - but you knew that, didn't you? Diolch yn fawr (and don't ever ask anyone to translate the words of "Sospan fach" - (so enthusiastically sung at Rugby matches) - it would just sound silly.The mods will eventually come in here and let us know that criticism on grammar and English usage is specifically against the rules because it discourages people from asking questions and offering help.
However apparently I'm arguing with a Scot and a guy from Wales both of whom have aimed a slight at England. As an American with Irish descent who's family was targeted by Cromwell, I can get behind this. Shall we lay down our quarrels with each other and unite against the common enemy of English rule? Of course we'll have a difficulty communicating in Gaelic and Scottish (there was a unique language there right? I am ignorant here) and whatever would be spoken in Wales without the intrusion of those English invading dogs.
(like grand opera, some things NEED to be in "Foreign" -which is what 'Welsh' means)0 -
This post is hilarious and entertaining! Thanks for the very clever laughs, everyone. (By the way, I am a French teacher, translator, proofreader, and nearly perfect speller, so if I have a high horse, a stick and a propensity for bad-grammar phobia, so be it - it pays well.)0
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Oh I completely understand your frustration (notice - not you're). I get annoyed about them all, loose/lose, its/it's and obviously fewer/less. I should also say that aluminum looks silly to me (aluminium is the way to go) but I can understand that is it a cultural thing.
I get rather irate when I am expected to decipher supposed English in order to glean any context from a post. I tend to just write such posters off as uneducated and ignore whatever they have to say.0 -
This post is hilarious and entertaining! Thanks for the very clever laughs, everyone. (By the way, I am a French teacher, translator, proofreader, and nearly perfect speller, so if I have a high horse, a stick and a propensity for bad-grammar phobia, so be it - it pays well.)
To get my German students to understand the necessity for correct spelling, I always point to two words:
"schwül" and schwul
The only difference in appearance is the umlaut over the "u" but the English equivalents are quite different!
"humid" and "homosexual"
They usually get the idea after that :laugh:0 -
Oh I completely understand your frustration (notice - not you're). I get annoyed about them all, loose/lose, its/it's and obviously fewer/less. I should also say that aluminum looks silly to me (aluminium is the way to go) but I can understand that is it a cultural thing.
I get rather irate when I am expected to decipher supposed English in order to glean any context from a post. I tend to just write such posters off as uneducated and ignore whatever they have to say.
That's where you miss out. Some of my closest friends o. Here (as close as a stranger on the Internet with a pseudonym can be) are brilliant and not native speakers of English. Their written English is better than my French but still doesn't indicate how smart they are.
And I often come off a standard deviation dumber on my touch screens than I do on a proper keyboard. I see that mistake up there but can't get to it to fix it for example.
ETA I'm totally with you when it is indeciferable or when it's reasonable to expect some formality and precision : business writing and job applications and books and the news all leap to mind. But a social forum with users all over the world does not.0 -
Our Jiffy Lube has a sign up that reads:
Your looking at the sign of quality.
NO. I am looking at bad grammar.
And that's what our country is graduating from high school nowadays.
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I can fix you up with device to help with that problem - ring for an appointment - NEXT!Oh, this again. *snore*0 -
Oh I completely understand your frustration (notice - not you're). I get annoyed about them all, loose/lose, its/it's and obviously fewer/less. I should also say that aluminum looks silly to me (aluminium is the way to go) but I can understand that is it a cultural thing.
I get rather irate when I am expected to decipher supposed English in order to glean any context from a post. I tend to just write such posters off as uneducated and ignore whatever they have to say.
I Wish we all could be as educated as you are. If you cannot see that people from differerent walks of life use this website then I question your education. I have never had a problem understanding anything I have read here. It's a fitness website, go and read a dictionary.0 -
Oh I completely understand your frustration (notice - not you're). I get annoyed about them all, loose/lose, its/it's and obviously fewer/less. I should also say that aluminum looks silly to me (aluminium is the way to go) but I can understand that is it a cultural thing.
I get rather irate when I am expected to decipher supposed English in order to glean any context from a post. I tend to just write such posters off as uneducated and ignore whatever they have to say.
That's where you miss out. Some of my closest friends o. Here (as close as a stranger on the Internet with a pseudonym can be) are brilliant and not native speakers of English. Their written English is better than my French but still doesn't indicate how smart they are.
And I often come off a standard deviation dumber on my touch screens than I do on a proper keyboard. I see that mistake up there but can't get to it to fix it for example.
You do bring up an excellent point.
Being part of an international community myself, I can usually appreciate when a poster is a non-native speaker. Such a faux pas would not be bothersome; on the contrary, I admire their linguistic flexibility. I find non-native speakers are generally more conscientious and rarely make the egregious errors that interfere with comprehension. Certainly the people with whom I am acquainted are.
However, there is still the matter of native speakers who so horribly slaughter their own language that it is barely recognizable. I am not refering to the occasional misspelling or grammatical error resulting from typing to quickly or auto-correct to which we all fall victim.
In response to the other posters such as StevenHaley, I accept my chastisement and apologize for being so blunt.0
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