Jumping off of LiveStrong's sinking ship!
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I think it's too bad that it's going down the way it is. If you level the field so that no one was doping, he'd still kick everyone's *kitten*
I think so, too.And, when people are after a person for this long with this much vengeance, it makes me wonder what is wrong with them?
They're French nationalists who would never admit that their teams dope, either. And let's face it, the U.S. is known for playing dirty across many sectors in politics, business, foreign affairs, etc., so it's kind of a slap in the face. If anything, I'd say Lance was made an example out of 1) punish-the-U.S. and 2) regain-our-French-nationalism-in-our-home-sport sentiments.0 -
Everyone in the Olympics is on juice? You're a total dumbass.
Hi there! I decided I wasnt going down w/ the LS ship! So far I like this site better. Started off at 225-230. Made it all the way down to 190 and back up to 199. My goal is 175
Started back on my diet this week and decided it was time for a change!
Lance Armstrong stinks! Cheaters never win, or at least they win at first, but then have their titles stripped years later. but close enough
You do realise not one person in the olimpics is not on juice?
Who are you calling a dumb *kitten*? I wasnt the one that said every one in the "olimpics" --mispelled btw, is on juice...however, i would bet that many if not most are on some sort of suppliments of some kind.
So far every one here has kept the debate on a high level cept for the dumb *kitten* that started calling people dumb *kitten* cuz they feel safe behind their key board.
They are doing wonderful things in the world of hair growth now btw.0 -
One more point, and then I'm out of here before it gets too crazy negative...
What Lance has done for cancer fundraising drives and research changed the face of how fundraising was conducted and how everyday people engaged with the topic. Remember those yellow bracelets? That changed the way that people thought about it, and made a very frightening subject accessible to so many different types of people. Now we're all about Kickstarter causes and consumer-level donations and marathons for change, etc., but prior to LS, it seemed only for folks who were directly affected through self, family, or friends.
LiveStrong can take this opportunity to realign priorities and be a leader, or it can sink. I'd personally like to see the former, given what it's done and what it still can do for those who need it the most.0 -
One more point, and then I'm out of here before it gets too crazy negative...
What Lance has done for cancer fundraising drives and research changed the face of how fundraising was conducted and how everyday people engaged with the topic. Remember those yellow bracelets? That changed the way that people thought about it, and made a very frightening subject accessible to so many different types of people. Now we're all about Kickstarter causes and consumer-level donations and marathons for change, etc., but prior to LS, it seemed only for folks who were directly affected through self, family, or friends.
LiveStrong can take this opportunity to realign priorities and be a leader, or it can sink. I'd personally like to see the former, given what it's done and what it still can do for those who need it the most.
God bless those who attempt to have the last word 0 -
I was one of the ones who spoke out saying he had to be innocent. It looks like I was wrong and I feel bad about that. I wish the rumors were all lies. I also think that trying to blame the whole crumbling house of cards on one man (he's only one man, remember) smacks of a lot of other people who were involved trying to make LS a scrapecoat for their wrongdoing.
Armstrong has also stepped down as the livestrong chairman so anyone that wants to can go on using the site without fear of being affiliated with him:
http://news.yahoo.com/armstrong-stepping-down-livestrong-chairman-120157920--spt.html
However, onwards and upwards - where can I get some of this stuff for the school Mum's day race!!? (I jest)
From: http://www.businessinsider.com/nike-fired-lance-armstrong-evidence-2012-10
Here's The 'Insurmountable Evidence' That Made Nike Cut Ties With Lance Armstrong
Nike has severed ties with Lance Armstrong a week after the USADA released a damning report alleging that he doped his way through seven Tour de France victories.
The report called the doping operation — which involved blood doping, EPO use, and testosterone use — the most sophisticated in the history of the sport. In addition, it painted Armstrong as the driving force behind the program.
Nike is typically loyal to its athletes, but it called this USADA evidence "seemingly insurmountable" in a statement this morning.
Below is a year-by-year breakdown of the USADA's report against Armstrong. Along with general doping allegations, the witnesses in the report allege that Armstrong lied his way out of a failed test at the 1999 Tour de France, pressured his teammate to engage in more intense blood doping in 2002, and had a long-standing relationship with an Italian doctor who has since been banned from the sport for life.
1998
The report starts with a 1998 race in Spain where Armstrong's teammate Jonathan Vaughters alleges that Armstrong injected himself with EPO (a type of performance-enhancing drug) in front of him and was open about his performance enhancing drug use.
In all, seven witnesses testified about performance-enhancing drug use on Armstrong's US Postal Service team, including four riders and a team employee admitting to using EPO, testosterone, human growth hormone and cortisone.
1999
In 1999, the report alleges that Armstrong's US Postal Service team ousted the team doctor Pedro Celaya because he "had not been aggressive enough for Armstrong in providing banned products." That year, Armstrong allegedly "got serious" with Italian doping doctor Michele Ferrari.
In one instance, the wife of USPS rider Frankie Andreau says she, Armstrong, and Armstrong's wife met Ferrari on the side of the road outside Milan, and Armstrong met with Ferrari alone for an hour.
Tyler Hamilton, Armstrong's training partner in 1999, told the USADA that Ferrari injected him with EPO that year.
During the 1999 Tour de France, Armstrong tested positive for a cortisone that he didn't have medical authorization to use. A cover-up allegedly ensued:
"Emma O’Reilly was in the room giving Armstrong a massage when Armstrong and team officials fabricated a story to cover the positive test. Armstrong and the team officials agreed to have Dr. del Moral backdate a prescription for cortisone cream for Armstrong which they would claim had been prescribed in advance of the Tour to treat a saddle sore. O’Reilly understood from Armstrong, however, that the positive had not come from a topical cream but had really come about from a cortisone injection Armstrong received around the time of the Route du Sud a few weeks earlier. After the meeting between Armstrong and the team officials concluded, Armstrong told O’Reilly, 'Now, Emma, you know enough to bring me down.'"
The report alleges that the team was delivered EPO during the 1999 Tour by a skilled, drug-smuggling motorcyclist that they called "Motoman." Tyler Hamilton says riders took testosterone via a olive-oil based solution that was sprayed in their mouths in 1999 as well.
2000
When they started testing for EPO in 2000, the team moved on to blood doping, Hamilton alleges. He says he, Armstrong, and Livingston went to Valencia, Spain and had blood extracted and later re-infused to boost their performance.
Armstrong's teammate George Hincapie alleges that Armstrong also used testosterone in 2000, and dropped out of an unnamed race in Spain after Hincapie warned him that there would be drug testing.
Hamilton says the riders were re-infused with blood during the 2000 Tour at a hotel room, and they joked about whose body was absorbing the blood the fastest.
2001
Michele Ferrari visited the USPS camp at the beginning of 2001, and his services were offered to any rider who wanted them for $15,000, says rider George Hincapie.
Also in 2001, Vaughters went out on a bike ride with Armstrong where Lance "demonstrated a detailed knowledge of the EPO test" and told him how to skirt a positive test. He added that he had sources in the testing world who told him how it works.
At the 2001 Tour du Suisse, Armstrong allegedly told his teammates that he had tested positive for EPO, but Armstrong had a conversation with UCI and told his teammates "everything was going to be okay."
Floyd Landis alleges that Armstrong told him he made a "financial agreement" with UCI to keep the test hidden.
2002
In 2002, the report says Armstrong become good friends and training partners with Floyd Landis. Landis alleges that they both shared doping advice and drugs.
"Armstrong also describes how much he enjoyed Landis’ boyish antics, gregarious personality and love for the American rock band ZZ Top."
Landis had keys to his apartment.
The USADA says it has evidence that $150,000 went from Armstrong to Ferrari during 2002, even though Ferrari was under investigation for doping.
After the 2002 Tour de France, Christan Vande Velde alleges that Armstrong threatened to kick him off the team if he didn't step up his doping program:
"Armstrong told Vande Velde that if he wanted to continue to ride for the Postal Service team he 'would have to use what Dr. Ferrari had been telling [Vande Velde] to use and would have to follow Dr. Ferrari’s program to the letter.'
"Vande Velde said, '[T]he conversation left me with no question that I was in the doghouse and that the only way forward with Armstrong’s team was to get fully on Dr. Ferrari’s doping program.'"
Vande Velde obliged.
2003
Armstrong paid Ferrari $475,000 in 2003, according to records.
Landis was hurt during 2003, but when Armstrong went out of town he asked him to stay at his apartment and keep an eye on his blood-doping equipment. "Landis agreed to babysit the blood," the report says.
Both Landis and Hincapie say Armstrong blood-doped in 2003, and every other Tour de France from 2001 to 2005.
Landis says Armstrong gave him a box of six pre-measured syringes of EPO after he got two liters of blood taken out in 2003.
2004
Armstrong allegedly continued to work with Ferrari, and on the day before the 2004 Tour de France he wired him $100,000, according to records.
Landis alleges that he saw Armstrong on a massage table with a testosterone patch on his shoulder.
During the 2004 Tour, both Landis and Hincapie allege that the entire team got blood transfusions after a stage of the race on the team bus.
In late 2004, Dr. Ferrari was convicted of sporting fraud for advising a group of Italian riders about EPO and other drugs. Armstrong publicly broke off his relationship with him.
2005
More of the same. Hincapie alleges that Armstrong gave him EPO following his seventh-straight Tour de France win.
Also in 2005, the USADA says Armstrong's supposedly-finished relationship with Dr. Ferrari was "business as usual." The two met in Italy, and Armstrong wired him $100,000 according to records.
2009
The USADA says Armstrong retained a professional relationship with Ferrari by soliciting advise from him through his son Stefano. Here's an example of an e-mail exchange ("Schumi" is Ferrari):
On November 4, 2009, Stefano inquires, “Schumi asks if you’d like [t]o continue the cooperation for next year too – if so, then it [w]ould be good to start thinking about some specifics already (gym + ome bike).”
On November 15, 2009, Armstrong is looking ahead to the next year’s Tour, and he writes: “Yes, let’s continue . . . what we have started. I’m curious to know what Schumi [t]hinks for 2010 and what we need to do differently in terms of training. . .”
Stefano responds, “Great! Schumi says it’s obviously a [T]our for light climbers.. . .”
The USADA says the chances that Armstrong's blood levels during the 2009 Tour occurred naturally were "less than one in a million."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/nike-fired-lance-armstrong-evidence-2012-10#ixzz2AFWMBm9O0 -
God bless those who attempt to have the last word
In my best Southern belle accent, "Why, whatever do you mean?" (bats lashes) j/k
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God bless those who attempt to have the last word
In my best Southern belle accent, "Why, whatever do you mean?" (bats lashes) j/k
(lol)
You couldnt help but look could you I'm the same way. I love a great debate. I also love that I can silence people that name call with my brains or brauns 0 -
Lance is still my hero. He has done so much for cancer.
If he doped or not, eh... I hate to be a cynic, but I think everyone in sports does. I just feel like this whole thing was a witch hunt.0 -
Lance is still my hero. He has done so much for cancer.
If he doped or not, eh... I hate to be a cynic, but I think everyone in sports does. I just feel like this whole thing was a witch hunt.
You should read the witch hunt column by dan berstein i posted on the first page of this.
It is a witch hunt...burn lance burn!0 -
What does Lance Armstrong have to do with anything?
Hi! Welcome to MFP. We're crazy but it's okay because we want to help YOU reach your fitness goals.0 -
What does Lance Armstrong have to do with anything?
Hi! Welcome to MFP. We're crazy but it's okay because we want to help YOU reach your fitness goals.
The reason he came up is because he was the biggest reason i left LS for MFP. Thats how it came up. I didnt want to be any part of Lance's duchebaggery0 -
You are wide of the point Shelly.
My best friend, who i would die for to save, is a perfect example.
He was a jerk before cancer, he's a jerk after cancer. Beating cancer is amazing, but didnt make HIM amazing.
I hate people who say nice things about the dead insencerly.
Happend to me i school a boy killed himself and everyone was all hes amazing what a beautiful angel and it really got to me. Most of the people saying it bullied him in school, it's not hard to assume they are partly responsible for his death yet they come out with this dribble.0 -
What does Lance Armstrong have to do with anything?
Hi! Welcome to MFP. We're crazy but it's okay because we want to help YOU reach your fitness goals.
The reason he came up is because he was the biggest reason i left LS for MFP. Thats how it came up. I didnt want to be any part of Lance's duchebaggery
Armstrong has stepped down as the livestrong chairman so anyone that wants to can go on using the site without fear of being affiliated with him:
http://news.yahoo.com/armstrong-stepping-down-livestrong-chairman-120157920--spt.html0 -
What does Lance Armstrong have to do with anything?
Hi! Welcome to MFP. We're crazy but it's okay because we want to help YOU reach your fitness goals.
The reason he came up is because he was the biggest reason i left LS for MFP. Thats how it came up. I didnt want to be any part of Lance's duchebaggery
Armstrong has stepped down as the livestrong chairman so anyone that wants to can go on using the site without fear of being affiliated with him:
http://news.yahoo.com/armstrong-stepping-down-livestrong-chairman-120157920--spt.html
I'm not sure but I believe he still owns the company in some way or another.0 -
You couldnt help but look could you I'm the same way. I love a great debate. I also love that I can silence people that name call with my brains or brauns
You will silence them with your electric shavers?0 -
You will silence them with your electric shavers?
haha thats awesome good catch 0 -
What does Lance Armstrong have to do with anything?
Hi! Welcome to MFP. We're crazy but it's okay because we want to help YOU reach your fitness goals.
The reason he came up is because he was the biggest reason i left LS for MFP. Thats how it came up. I didnt want to be any part of Lance's duchebaggery
Armstrong has stepped down as the livestrong chairman so anyone that wants to can go on using the site without fear of being affiliated with him:
http://news.yahoo.com/armstrong-stepping-down-livestrong-chairman-120157920--spt.html
I'm not sure but I believe he still owns the company in some way or another.
He doesn't. He gave his name to the site and acted as a figurehead / chairman. The site is owned by a media company.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand_Media
Demand Media, Inc. is an American content and social-media company[3] that operates online brands such as eHow, and Cracked, and is known for creating online content through its Demand Media Studios division based on a combination of measured consumer demand and predicted ROI. The company also provides social-media platforms to existing large company websites and distributes content bundled with social-media tools to outlets around the web.[4][5] The company also owns eNom, the world’s second-largest domain registrar.[6]
Demand Media was created in 2006 by a former private equity investor, Shawn Colo, and the former chairman of MySpace, Richard Rosenblatt.
The company employs an algorithm that identifies topics with high advertising potential, based on search engine query data and bids on advertising auctions. These topics are typically in the advice and how-to field. It then commissions freelancers to produce corresponding text or video content. The content is posted on a variety of sites, including YouTube and the company's own sites such as eHow, Livestrong.com, Trails.com, GolfLink.com, Mania.com, and Cracked.com.0 -
What does Lance Armstrong have to do with anything?
Hi! Welcome to MFP. We're crazy but it's okay because we want to help YOU reach your fitness goals.
The reason he came up is because he was the biggest reason i left LS for MFP. Thats how it came up. I didnt want to be any part of Lance's duchebaggery
Armstrong has stepped down as the livestrong chairman so anyone that wants to can go on using the site without fear of being affiliated with him:
http://news.yahoo.com/armstrong-stepping-down-livestrong-chairman-120157920--spt.html
I'm not sure but I believe he still owns the company in some way or another.
He may not be the chairman of the Board of Livestrong, but he did not step down as a Board member so I would say he is still involved with it.
http://www.livestrong.org/Who-We-Are/Our-Strength/Our-Leaders/Board-of-Directors0 -
What's Lance got to do, got to do with it?
What's Lance but a second ha~and athlete?
What's Lance got to do, got to do with it?
Who needs a Lance when you've got MFP, yeah?0 -
What's Lance got to do, got to do with it?
What's Lance but a second ha~and athlete?
What's Lance got to do, got to do with it?
Who needs a Lance when you've got MFP, yeah?
You need to become a parody composer ASAP0 -
Cancer doesn't mean a person is any different. Cancer is a sickness, as is high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. I think you are missing my point all the way around. In my opinion, Lance has sacrificed a lot of his personal time to help the people in the world who have been diagnosed with cancer. That has nothing to do with cycling. I am not concerned with his cycling. But I do think other things he has done, aside from his sport, has been very good and motivating.
No, i get your point. You're saying that no matter how bad of a person you are and no matter how self-serving your motivation for doing something nice might be, it doesn’t undo the nice gesture. In way yes, you are right. But I don’t want to eat a piece of cake make by a chef that only wishes to make money or notoriety for himself. I want to eat the cake made by a chef that cooks for the love of cooking and the love of his audience. Do you get what I'm saying now?
And I dont think you have at all grasped the depth of his disgusting behavior. This is a man that HIRED PEOPLE to talk nice about him and get him alligned w/ obama. And why? Do pad his wallet. You are really picking the wrong person to fight for here. Yes he did something things for cancer research and raising money for cancer...whatever...i'll give you that. But to say that his actions have been MOTIVATING? Nothing could be furhter for the truth. There is NOTHING motivating about doing nice things simply to elevate yourself or make yourself money.
Lol, wait... this comment, newly joined status, clear and obvious agenda...
You almost got me, you silly boy.0 -
I always say be your own hero. Only you know for sure your character.0
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it is amazing how one mistake (considering we are all human) can almost erase all the good things a person does...0
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No, i get your point. You're saying that no matter how bad of a person you are and no matter how self-serving your motivation for doing something nice might be, it doesn’t undo the nice gesture. In way yes, you are right. But I don’t want to eat a piece of cake make by a chef that only wishes to make money or notoriety for himself. I want to eat the cake made by a chef that cooks for the love of cooking and the love of his audience. Do you get what I'm saying now?
And I dont think you have at all grasped the depth of his disgusting behavior. This is a man that HIRED PEOPLE to talk nice about him and get him alligned w/ obama. And why? Do pad his wallet. You are really picking the wrong person to fight for here. Yes he did something things for cancer research and raising money for cancer...whatever...i'll give you that. But to say that his actions have been MOTIVATING? Nothing could be furhter for the truth. There is NOTHING motivating about doing nice things simply to elevate yourself or make yourself money.
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Lol, wait... this comment, newly joined status, clear and obvious agenda...
You almost got me, you silly boy.
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I have an agenda? Here i just thought i hated lance armstrong for being a penis...who knew? :P0 -
I hope Livestrong doesn't die off. Lance Armstrong was treated at the same hospital that treated my dad. The contributions made by Lance Armstrong and/or his foundation made an immediate and profound impact on the hospital. The room my dad had to spend 6 weeks in was gorgeous. It was equipped with a very nice stationary bike (my dad couldn't leave his room because he had a stem cell transplant). His foundation has done so much good and I still believe in it.0
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Well, welcome aboard!
As for Lance, you know, I have mixed feelings. While I wish performance-enhancing drugs didn't exist so that the true nature of competitive man would have a more level playing field, the truth is a lot of popular sports are entrenched in them. If everyone were surprise tested for these substances in cycling, baseball, football, basketball, and weight lifting, we wouldn't have any teams left. Second, since a lot of teams (not just Lance's) were taking them just in some cases to qualify, it wasn't the drug alone that won seven times; Lance himself was part of the equation, a man who pushes himself hard and performs better than others who are also taking the same drug regimen. To me, official title or not, he will always be a seven-time winner.
I agree...He is still one of the most phenomenal athletes in history. He has proven that in cycling over and over and now in Ironman triathlon.0 -
it is amazing how one mistake (considering we are all human) can almost erase all the good things a person does...
Oh hun, it was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than just one mistake.
The juicing isnt even part of the issue really. If all he did was cheat or juice, that's actually pretty forgivable. As everyone else pointed out, everyone in biking was juicing so the playing field was basically even!
My problem is him
1.) Claiming to have character
2.) Using noble causes to fatten his wallet and make people blindly follow him. These posts are a GREAT example of how he's brainwashed people
3.) He actually THREATENED AND MANIPULATED people to hide his mistakes.
Had he just came out and said "yea, i juiced, everyone did...what of it?" this would have been over immediately...But thats not what he did. you see?0 -
it is amazing how one mistake (considering we are all human) can almost erase all the good things a person does...
Oh hun, it was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than just one mistake.
The juicing isnt even part of the issue really. If all he did was cheat or juice, that's actually pretty forgivable. As everyone else pointed out, everyone in biking was juicing so the playing field was basically even!
My problem is him
1.) Claiming to have character
2.) Using noble causes to fatten his wallet and make people blindly follow him. These posts are a GREAT example of how he's brainwashed people
3.) He actually THREATENED AND MANIPULATED people to hide his mistakes.
Had he just came out and said "yea, i juiced, everyone did...what of it?" this would have been over immediately...But thats not what he did. you see?
Hun? You're not a man!!!!!!!0 -
For someone who has just joined MFP, I doubt you have made a very good first impression.
What has your dislike of Lance Armstrong got to do with your presence here anyway?
Welcome to MFP! :flowerforyou:0 -
huh?...I'm not a man?0
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