The Walking Dead Ep 4 Discussion....beware Spoilers.
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I must say, it was the most distressing episode EVER. I was terrified, nervous, scared, emotional, sad - all within one hour! I cried so much, felt so sorry for T-Dog and Rick and Carl.... I was numb after this episode, I couldn't say a word.0
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I am sad they killed off T-Dog, he was one of my favorite characters. Not so sad about Lori, but I do think she will be back in a future episode.0
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I also cried, I always liked Lori, I know, I know, but I still liked her. I don't understand the 'sacrifice' though. Do you know the odds of a baby surviving in a time like that? How are they going to feed it? She took it's milk with her! It didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Also, I'm not a doctor either, but I've had a couple of kids myself, and been in the delivery for a few more, you don't have two contractions and start pushing. If you start pushing too early, you will certainly bleed as you would tear your not yet ready cervix. It wasn't so much a sacrifice as it was stupidity.
But would she have died from the blood loss?
Oh wait, you meant when they first cut her?! No, that didn't kill her, the writers of the show said they did research that showed that she would have passed out immediately. She wasn't dead when Carl shot her in the head, only unconscious.
how do you know he shot her? they didn't show it. maybe he chickened out and fired off a warning shot and left her for dead. maybe she's gonna wake up, alive, and alone in a future episode.
Unless that door is locked that is quite a security risk.
she's not in the part of the prison they inhabit. besides, as a zombie she might whine so much to the other zombies that they kill themselves to get away from her. carl = hero.
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I also cried, I always liked Lori, I know, I know, but I still liked her. I don't understand the 'sacrifice' though. Do you know the odds of a baby surviving in a time like that? How are they going to feed it? She took it's milk with her! It didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Also, I'm not a doctor either, but I've had a couple of kids myself, and been in the delivery for a few more, you don't have two contractions and start pushing. If you start pushing too early, you will certainly bleed as you would tear your not yet ready cervix. It wasn't so much a sacrifice as it was stupidity.
But would she have died from the blood loss?
From the c section, yes. Without someone knowledgeable to cut her right and sew her up correctly. From the torn cervix? Maybe, not necessarily. It would depend on the severity of the tear, where the tear was etc. But generally, if you just wait, your cervix will dilate to 10, it may take time though, and the baby will come. That's why some woman labor for 72 hours, these things take time.
earlier in the season they said she had a c section with carl because she wouldnt dilate and thats why they were planning on her having another one.....which is why Hershel showed Carol. but sometimes you have to remember.....it's just a tv show. And yes emergency c sections are performed when the woman's body won't let the baby come out the normal way, so the baby doesn't die in the womb.0 -
I also cried, I always liked Lori, I know, I know, but I still liked her. I don't understand the 'sacrifice' though. Do you know the odds of a baby surviving in a time like that? How are they going to feed it? She took it's milk with her! It didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Also, I'm not a doctor either, but I've had a couple of kids myself, and been in the delivery for a few more, you don't have two contractions and start pushing. If you start pushing too early, you will certainly bleed as you would tear your not yet ready cervix. It wasn't so much a sacrifice as it was stupidity.
But would she have died from the blood loss?
Oh wait, you meant when they first cut her?! No, that didn't kill her, the writers of the show said they did research that showed that she would have passed out immediately. She wasn't dead when Carl shot her in the head, only unconscious.
how do you know he shot her? they didn't show it. maybe he chickened out and fired off a warning shot and left her for dead. maybe she's gonna wake up, alive, and alone in a future episode.
Unless that door is locked that is quite a security risk.
She's dead. I read an article with Robert Kirkman where he confirmed that Carl did kill her. http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/11/04/walking-dead-robert-kirkman-8/
Does anyone think Carol is still alive? They jumped to conclusions that she was dead, but I think she's still in the prison somewhere. Poor TDog though.
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I did cry about Lori, but only because I couldn't stop thinking about my son/me while she was saying goodbye to Carl. Heartwrenching!! This might make me a bad person, but I also think that she should have sucked it up and tried to get back to Herschel to get help and a proper csection. I'd take the chance of the baby dying while trying to get help before I let them cut me open and kill me to birth a baby that will have a hard time surviving without its mother!
Shocking episode, especially since it wasn't a mid season or season finale.0 -
My main issue was with Lori's speech to her son. Your contractions don't stop just because you need to say something. If she *had* to push, and I've been there, then those are some close and painful contractions. Magically, not a one came during her little speech...
Andrew Lincoln (Rick) was amazing in this episode though!! His acting at the end definitely had me tearing up.
As someone said earlier...the Governor is really forcing his tea on the peeps in his compound. I can't wait to see what that is all about.0 -
After a certain point , if the baby cannot come out vaginally (maybe it was breach or whatever the issue may be) it does go into stress and can die without a C section. Why do you think babies and mothers died from child birth in the old days?
I don't know how they can care for a baby the way they live. Can you imagine when it starts crawling??!!
I saw the actor who plays Tdog on "The Talking Dead" after show. So sad he had to go. I would have liked him to have a bigger part all along.0 -
I'm sad about T-Dog too - he was the voice of reason in Ep 4. The part with Lori made me tear up - even though I didn't like her much after she got mad at Rick for killing Shane. I agree that Lori should have sucked it up and tried to make it to Hershel and/or Carol.0
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I was thinking that maybe Carl didn't finish Lori off by shooting her in the head and that she'd return as a walker, thus, putting Rick into a situation like Hershel was in with family turned walkers locked up somewhere - not having the heart to get rid of her.....
Having worked in Obstetrics for years, I'd say there's no way Lori would have survived the brutal incision that was made (in a non-sterile environment no less!
I'm also looking forward to seeing how they feed the baby given that they don't have so much as a lactating goat....0 -
Loved loved loved this episode... I've been chanting for them to kill off Lori since mid-way through season 1. I hate her. Wasnt to upset about T since my friends and I had pegged him as someone who would possibly be dying this season anyway. But I was just like shut up and cut her already. The only part that got me upset was Rick's reaction. Btw who making the run to walgreens for some powdered formula for the baby lol... As to the baby crying thing american Indians trained there children from birth not to cry by pinching their noses when they started. It was to keep them from being detected during war time or something.
I've been saying the Gov has been pushing that tea to hard for 2 episodes now. Also Andrea wins the award for worst taste in men ever. First Shane now the Gov if I were Micholete(sp) I would leave her *kitten* and take off :grumble:0 -
Uk-er just watched this episode last night! Oh my!!!! 2 main characters in one go!?!? Wow!!!! The poor baby though, how's it going to survive!??! Surely they should have tried picking up formula in the months running up to the birth whilst they were out on the road before getting to the prison?!? I mean not all women can breastfeed so to be relying on Lori to be able to was pretty poor hindsight! I'm glad she's gone thouh, the way she treated Rick after killing Shane was all shades of wrong! I've been sick of Carl for so long but after that episode i feel so sorr for him! But Rick was the one who made me cry at the end! T-Dog was amazing in his sacrifice to save Carol, she's defo still alive somewhere! Did anyone notice Daryl's face when he found her headscarf?!!? LOVE Daryl!
Andrea is pathetic! If i was Michong (sp?) i'd have dumped her *kitten* long ago - she can't have been much fun to be stuck with for 8 months!!! And does she ever not think with her pants?! She seems to be constantly on heat looking for the next shmuck to have her way with!
The Govenor is far too creepy and i can see very strange things coming from him in the future!!0 -
I cried
For Lori or T-Dog?
Hmmm...the dad? Not sure of his name.
When they walked to the yard and the dad was all like no no no then looked at the boy and then said no no no no again and he broke down on the ground. Thats when I lost it.
Ditto, I was full on sobbing! Most harrowing episode yet. Can't wait for next week!0 -
Carl is going to be one Bad *kitten* Mother F***er! Dude just offed his mom with no remorse like his punk *kitten* daddy. THERE IS NO CRYING IN THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE
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Lori was SO USELESS.....I cried for Rick and Carl but I'm not so sad to see her gone. I will be very interested to see whether she comes back or not.
And holy cow if this has already happened in episode 4, what else do you guys think is to come??
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how do we really know she is dead? they didn't show Carl shooting her, we just heard a shot. carol is still somewhere in the prison, right? how do we know she doesn't find Lori, who Carl didn't actually shoot, and stiches her up and takes care of her? stranger things have happened. like that guy finding his way back in the prison. how the heck did he do that anyway?????
I totally agree, how do we really know Carl shot Lori. I don't think he did, He may have tried but couldn't. We may see her as a walker at some point. To add, I knew the Governor couldn't be trusted. Why did he just kill those soldiers like that? he should have kept them, I mean more numbers, more ppl that know how to shoot, more protection. I guess we will soon find out his agenda. I can't wait to see what happenes when they meet up with the others.0 -
I loved Meryle by the way. "Yep, always had a way with words, didn't I?" Priceless.
Loved that line!0 -
I must say, it was the most distressing episode EVER. I was terrified, nervous, scared, emotional, sad - all within one hour! I cried so much, felt so sorry for T-Dog and Rick and Carl.... I was numb after this episode, I couldn't say a word.
I was numb too. I just sat there for a few minutes, like OMG!0 -
Andrea is pathetic! If i was Michong (sp?) i'd have dumped her *kitten* long ago - she can't have been much fun to be stuck with for 8 months!!!
No doubt! Michonne is WAY too cool to be letting Andrea tag along.0 -
Yep, me too. Didn't care about Lori at all but it was hard to watch Rick break down
Hmmm...the dad? Not sure of his name.
When they walked to the yard and the dad was all like no no no then looked at the boy and then said no no no no again and he broke down on the ground. Thats when I lost it.
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[/quote]Yep, me too. Didn't care about Lori at all but it was hard to watch Rick break down
Hmmm...the dad? Not sure of his name.
When they walked to the yard and the dad was all like no no no then looked at the boy and then said no no no no again and he broke down on the ground. Thats when I lost it.
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Baby wouldn't have died, we are meant to have babies. That's what our bodies are meant to do. Babies don't breath oxygen, they get it through their cords, from their mothers, that's why they can stay squeezed in the birth canal for so long without problem, C sections are almost never required, they are just performed because the woman is tired, or not coming along quickly enough. Not saying that every one that has a c section had it unnecessarily, but studies show that many of them are certainly not needed. Chances are, with a little more patience, they both would have been fine.
Lori was a vback. She already had one c-section so after that the chances of having a normal birth are reduced.
I have a hard time believing that she went into labor, dilated and the baby got stuck in the span of like 20 minutes. They could have waited hours for her.0 -
how do we really know she is dead? they didn't show Carl shooting her, we just heard a shot. carol is still somewhere in the prison, right? how do we know she doesn't find Lori, who Carl didn't actually shoot, and stiches her up and takes care of her? stranger things have happened. like that guy finding his way back in the prison. how the heck did he do that anyway?????
The writers of the show in their commentary said that she is absolutely dead and will not be coming back as a Zombie, they just didn't want to show everything because of peoples attachment to Lori.0
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