Is it ok to go below 1200 net calories?

mulderpf

So I apologise if my previous comment was deemed unfriendly, because it just seemed like you wanted to hear what you wanted hear instead of getting a "lecture".

Here's how it works and why you shouldn't ever net less than 1200 calories, regardless of macros.

Being on such a low calorie diet, means that you are more than likely not obese (BMI > 30). Your body can only extract so much energy from fat cells when it's trying to fuel your body. So at a high level you can look at it like this, first your body will use the food that you eat to get energy, then it reverts to fat stores and then your body starts hitting problems, because it either has to slow down energy use or start getting energy from muscles (your muscle will actually start breaking down!!). Any exercise you do on top of this, you need to replenish the fuel, otherwise you are simply breaking down more muscle (that's the problem with low calorie diets with exercise on top - your body simply cannot burn more fat than it already has). Your weight loss will look great on the scale, but it's probably muscle.

wrevhn

I'd try cutting back on fat and stuff instead of calories. Its not healthy long term.


but ppl will do what they want, and just learn the truth themselves later.

crunchybubblez

So I apologise if my previous comment was deemed unfriendly, because it just seemed like you wanted to hear what you wanted hear instead of getting a "lecture".

Oh geeze!
You definitely assumed wrongly.
I was full and needed to know #1 if I needed to eat more,
& #2 if I wasn't supposed to be going over on my macros (which I've already figured out)
I needed to figure out what I needed to change up so that I could insure that I didn't do it again.

I had eaten over 1500cals
-200 for breast feeding
-280 for exercise
And I was NOT hungry.
If it wasn't a good idea to be under I was going to stuff my face anyway.
It's the frikin internet!
You can't hear my tone of voice, so I have no idea how you got all of that /\
out of what I had asked.

This is exactly what I meant...

crunchybubblez

Definitely 1200 net, not gross. If you're thinking gross and then deducting exercise/breastfeeding, you could easily end up with a dangerously low net intake. Re. macros, you can manually set these to reflect your personal needs - as you're breastfeeding, you may need higher intakes of certain nutrients - check with your doctor for recommended percentages. As previously stated, your macro numbers will increase as your gross intake does - the numbers represent ideal percentages (most easily seen using the pie-chart function on the app, unfortuantely not available online) though the preset percentages are not ideal for everyone.

Thanks
I actually did some research and customized my diet plan to fit my needs instead of
going off of what mfp has automated for me.

AnexRavensong

After doing some research I raised my daily calories. So I'll be eating about 1,700 calories a day
and I won't eat back what I burn unless I start getting close to 1200.

That sounds far more reasonable.

Honestly (in my case anyway), I was so obsessed with how I needed to lose weight. Every time I saw something I wanted I said "no, I shouldn't, I'm too fat" and deprived myself. I was barely eating anything and then would binge after. It was bad. I'd lose weight, gain it, lose it gain it, annoying!

Jumped onto MFP and said, ok! I am going to track everything and do this! MFP put me at 1200 calories straight away that I was desperately logging all exercise so I could eat. I had Run Keeper running on my cellphone for every errand I did!

Then I discovered
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/654536-in-place-of-a-road-map-2-0-revised-7-2-12
which I believe someone already linked for you.

Upped my calories to 1800 (no eating back exercise calories though!) via suggestion on numbers, (math is not my friend) by Helloitsdan. I feel a ton better! Ive actually started losing weight whereas it didn't budge forever! (or only went up)

Eating < ~1200 calories was making me constantly headachy (I get headaches if I dont eat) and grumpy. I also find it much more reasonable and sustainable, I wouldn't recommend anyone stick only to the 1200 calories unless they are very short. But that is just my thoughts from my experience... some people do it and claim it worked miracles for them *shrug* I think you have to find what works for you a bit as well.

mulderpf

So I apologise if my previous comment was deemed unfriendly, because it just seemed like you wanted to hear what you wanted hear instead of getting a "lecture".

Oh geeze!
You definitely assumed wrongly.
I was full and needed to know #1 if I needed to eat more,
& #2 if I wasn't supposed to be going over on my macros (which I've already figured out)
I needed to figure out what I needed to change up so that I could insure that I didn't do it again.

I had eaten over 1500cals
-200 for breast feeding
-280 for exercise
And I was NOT hungry.
If it wasn't a good idea to be under I was going to stuff my face anyway.
It's the frikin internet!
You can't hear my tone of voice, so I have no idea how you got all of that /\
out of what I had asked.

This is exactly what I meant...

Mmm, the lack of food has made you grumpy it appears!!

Read my response and see why it is a bad idea to net below 1200. That's what you asked, that's what I answered you. You can do it, but it's more than likely that you will be burning muscle instead of fat. How to stop that? Put food in your mouth and let your body use that instead.

crunchybubblez

After doing some research I raised my daily calories. So I'll be eating about 1,700 calories a day
and I won't eat back what I burn unless I start getting close to 1200.

That sounds far more reasonable.

Honestly (in my case anyway), I was so obsessed with how I needed to lose weight. Every time I saw something I wanted I said "no, I shouldn't, I'm too fat" and deprived myself. I was barely eating anything and then would binge after. It was bad. I'd lose weight, gain it, lose it gain it, annoying!

Jumped onto MFP and said, ok! I am going to track everything and do this! MFP put me at 1200 calories straight away that I was
desperately logging all exercise so I could eat. I had Run Keeper running on my cellphone for every errand I did!

Then I discovered
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/654536-in-place-of-a-road-map-2-0-revised-7-2-12
which I believe someone already linked for you.

Upped my calories to 1800 (no eating back exercise calories though!) via suggestion on numbers, (math is not my friend) by Helloitsdan. I feel a ton better! Ive actually started losing weight whereas it didn't budge forever! (or only went up) Eating 1200 calories was making me constantly headachy (I get headaches if I dont eat) and grumpy. I also find it much more reasonable and sustainable, I wouldn't recommend anyone stick only to the 1200 calories unless they are very short. But that is just my thoughts from my experience.

Exactly!
Kind of the same,
But half the time I'm not hungry.
I found out Im fat because we go out to eat a lot,
and even though I don't "over eat" everything is EXTREMELY high calorie and I had no idea.
So Im finding myself trying to not exercise so I don't need to eat more because Im full.
That's why I was hoping it was ok to be a little under 1200 NET.
My problem isn't over eating, it's eating high calorie and high carb foods.
It also had me on a 1200 calorie diet.
I switched it to 1700.
Plus I add the -200 additional calories to my meal instead of my daily total.
So that would be 1900! :O
This should be interesting.

katevarner

If you are breastfeeding you probably need to go over on healthy fats for your baby's sake, and I'm glad to see that you have decided you can eat more calories, too. Drink plenty of water and eat fewer simple carbs--try to eat mostly or only complex carbs.

crunchybubblez

If you are breastfeeding you probably need to go over on healthy fats for your baby's sake, and I'm glad to see that you have decided you can eat more calories, too. Drink plenty of water and eat fewer simple carbs--try to eat mostly or only complex carbs.

The "baby" is 2.5 yrs and in the process of weaning.
I dont mind going over in good fats like from avacados and some nuts, but That's fats that I had gone over with weren't the healthy kind.

crunchybubblez

Btw everyone, my food diary is open.

AnexRavensong

Well I abuse Mc Donald's even now, but Ive been losing weight xD /cowers from angry glares

I think you can still eat out, just be aware of what you are eating. Often they give too much in the portions (especially back home in the US). Ive heard that it is a good idea to stop eating once you are satisfied, not full per se, but once you are no longer hungry it is ok.

With me and Mc Donald's (French Mc'D's doesnt have as much healthier choice than the US as much as they think so other than food sizes, their super size is US medium). I look up their nutrition facts before hand and I get a rough idea of what is really bad or take the salad instead of fries (I do eat fries though sometimes). I find it really puts things in perspective when you realize that burger is like 500 calories! LOL

My food diary is open to my friends, but I just made it public I dont care if people see what I eat even when Im bad and go over. Im tired of torturing myself. Though for a week now Im sick or something, I have no appetite and have to force myself to eat. -_-

Whenever I go back home to the US (Im a misplaced American), I tend to eat out like 5 times a week but weirdly still lose weight rather than when Im in France, so I don't have a bad sentiment against eating out :x

HMToomey

apologies if i am missing something, but why not just eat more if you want to do more exercise?

then you are getting all of the nutrients your body needs, and if you dont have too great a deficit your body will be burning fat (yay!) and not too much muscle (boo!)

i dont know why anyone would want to deliberately put themselves in a situation where their body will burn muscle?

This ^ is exactly the advice I did not want.
I ate well over 1200cals.
My question was should I stay over 1200net, because I wasn't sure.
I didn't say I wanted to stay under 1200.
I said I want to get more exercise in, but I don't know how to keep my calories up without going way over on
my "macros".

The more exercise I do the higher my macro goals become. It should not be an issue. Hope that helps!

crunchybubblez

Well I abuse Mc Donald's even now, but Ive been losing weight xD /cowers from angry glares

I think you can still eat out, just be aware of what you are eating. Often they give too much in the portions (especially back home in the US). Ive heard that it is a good idea to stop eating once you are satisfied, not full per se, but once you are no longer hungry it is ok.

With me and Mc Donald's (French Mc'D's doesnt have as much healthier choice than the US as much as they think so other than food sizes, their super size is US medium). I look up their nutrition facts before hand and I get a rough idea of what is really bad or take the salad instead of fries (I do eat fries though sometimes). I find it really puts things in perspective when you realize that burger is like 500 calories! LOL

Whenever I go back home to the US (Im a misplaced American), I tend to eat out like 5 times a week but weirdly still lose weight rather than when Im in France, so I don't have a bad sentiment against eating out :x

Lol

Well for example. I ordered a small quesadillas at Chilis Grill thinking it was a good choice.
After we left I thought to call and ask them how many calories were in it...
I believe it was something ridiculous like 2600!! That didn't include my salad!

AnexRavensong

Akk! Yeah, that is the kind of stuff that is good to know! Sometimes you think it is good but find out it is bad

crunchybubblez

apologies if i am missing something, but why not just eat more if you want to do more exercise?

then you are getting all of the nutrients your body needs, and if you dont have too great a deficit your body will be burning fat (yay!) and not too much muscle (boo!)

i dont know why anyone would want to deliberately put themselves in a situation where their body will burn muscle?

This ^ is exactly the advice I did not want.
I ate well over 1200cals.
My question was should I stay over 1200net, because I wasn't sure.
I didn't say I wanted to stay under 1200.
I said I want to get more exercise in, but I don't know how to keep my calories up without going way over on
my "macros".

The more exercise I do the higher my macro goals become. It should not be an issue. Hope that helps!

It does.
Thanks so much!

crunchybubblez

Akk! Yeah, that is the kind of stuff that is good to know! Sometimes you think it is good but find out it is bad

Lol Unfortunately I learned way too late.
My exact words to my husband were, "NO WONDER I'M SO FAT!!".

Phaedra2014

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I thought the same until I saw Food Inc.
The Veggie meats are actually pretty good.
My kids and husband love Veggie nuggets, hot dogs, corn dogs, etc.
When we do want real meat I buy organic, free range/grass fed meat.
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That stuff is so loaded with sodium and "flavors" to make it taste like meat.

jennifer_417

Not consistently. Occasionally is ok, but don't do it on a regular basis. Do some research to find out what you can eat that fits your macros.

crunchybubblez

I thought the same until I saw Food Inc.
The Veggie meats are actually pretty good.
My kids and husband love Veggie nuggets, hot dogs, corn dogs, etc.
When we do want real meat I buy organic, free range/grass fed meat.

That stuff is so loaded with sodium and "flavors" to make it taste like meat.

But so is the regular stuff.
Only difference between them is the kind I buy is soy and other veggies instead of flesh from an animal that was pumped with antibiotics and most likely diseased.
We do try to limit our intake of processed foods though, and try to eat a mostly "clean" diet.
I try to make everything from scratch when we eat at home.

Swissmiss

Not sure about this...please correct me if I am wrong. Did I see earlier that you are breastfeeding a baby? You burn at least 500 calories a day with breastfeeding. Therefore, you should be eating more.