Okay, I'm sick of this confusion.
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I use to freak out about the starvation mode. For my body (and realizing how my family eats) I eat two snacks during the day and then my meal at night (plus I'm on a low-carb diet which is working great for me).... When I use to eat every 3 hours I didn't lose anything. When I ate 3 meals I didn't lose weight. I learned to listen to my body and that has really made the weight fall off. If, at lunch, I'm not hungry I just eat a cheese stick so I don't get a headache later. If I really am hungry I'll have some peanuts or something with a lot of healthy fats. It has taken me years to realize this is the best thing for me. However, I know girls that eat as many carbs as they want as long as they count calories, ya that does NOT work for my body. I swear it is all confusing and no matter what will stay confusing. As long as you are motivated and are true to yourself with your logging and not lie because you are afraid of others seeing it or saying something you really do learn your body and it becomes such a relief. You can do it and stay off all those millions of websites. I use to stress myself over them and now I'm like meh I'll do what I want.0
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“if you eat too little your weight loss will stall”
“everyone underestimates how many calories they’re eating. you’re probably eating too many”
“starvation mode is true. . blah blah blah”
“starvation mode is a myth. .blah blee blah”
WHICH ONE IS IT?
Regarding weight loss...Its very simple...
If it works for you...then it's right.
If it does not work for you...then its wrong.
Regarding starvation mode...Once a human body burns up most of its excess fat stores((BUT...that body continues to operate at a caloric deficit)...at that point...the body in question will start to self destruct in a process know as STARVATION.0 -
I like cake.0
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“if you eat too little your weight loss will stall”
“everyone underestimates how many calories they’re eating. you’re probably eating too many”
“starvation mode is true. . blah blah blah”
“starvation mode is a myth. .blah blee blah”
WHICH ONE IS IT?
Regarding weight loss...Its very simple...
If it works for you...then it's right.
If it does not work for you...then its wrong.
then aneorexia and bullimia would be ok?0 -
My confusion is that people undergo weight loss surgery to decrease the size of their stomach and lose weight because they can only eat tablespoons of food at a time. However, when I eat 1000-1200 calories of fresh fruits, veggies, juicing, fresh smoothies and lean meats, I am told that I am not eating enough calories. Soooo….??
1) They are extremely/morbidly obese people and studies have show that folks needing to lose 75+ pounds can handle a higher calorie deficit without much of a health detriment for a period of time.
2) This is a process monitored by medical professionals
3) As time passes, the patient is supposed to learn how to eat properly and is able to eat more. I'm not sure about gastric bypass but with the lapband there is some sort of fluid that they can change the level of to allow you to eat more.
Either way, these are not long term or exactly healthy ways of dieting. However in many cases, WLS is less dangerous than the other health effects that the patient is facing and therefore is worth the risk.
When you undereat, you may lose weight but it's not the healthy way to go about it. You need to properly fuel your body with the right nutrients. Although 1200 calories isn't technically right for everyone, it is a common ruler used because studies show if you get this many calories, you're likely getting the minimum of nutrition you need.0 -
“if you eat too little your weight loss will stall”
“everyone underestimates how many calories they’re eating. you’re probably eating too many”
“starvation mode is true. . blah blah blah”
“starvation mode is a myth. .blah blee blah”
WHICH ONE IS IT?
Regarding weight loss...Its very simple...
If it works for you...then it's right.
If it does not work for you...then its wrong.
then aneorexia and bullimia would be ok?
Anorexia and bulimia are MENTAL conditions.0 -
Starvation mode is what happens when you eat below 1200 calories a day, even once, or go more than 12 hours without at least 400 calories. What happens is that cells in your body called fececysts become depleted of energy and and emit a secretion that triggers hormonal responses by the guanogland. Once this occurs, the hormones decrease your caloric expenditure limit and cause your digestive system to turn all consumed calories directly into fat.0
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There is a small grain of truth to all of it, I think. I do believe that, yes, IT VARIES BY INDIVIDUAL. Some people are more genetically wired to hold onto weight in times of famine. I think "starvation mode" is taking it to a bit of a ridiculous extreme. I suppose some people do overestimate what they eat, but I think with nutrition labeling, measuring cups and spoons, and food scales this theory gets a bit ridiculous and over-applied. (Unless, of course, you're eating at restaurants. Then throw it all out the window.)
I think all of these issues lose a significant amount of importance when one lets go of a number on a scale and the ideal of being "skinny" and instead puts all of his / her efforts and attention on health and fitness. A dieter restricts calories just to see a number on a machine get smaller, regardless of what it is that's disappearing... fat, water, muscle, etc. Someone who is genuinely striving to be healthier and get his / her body into the best condition it can be works out hard and EATS, because that's what fuels physical effort. You start caring more about the quality of the food and the nutrients you're getting from it instead of just what fits into your calories, macros, etc. You start to get super happy when you see muscles start to poke out and get a little larger and more defined. Everyday things like being able to carry your groceries up a flight of stairs without strain become important and satisfying NSVs. Slipping on pants in the morning that fit is what you're really looking for, not just that scale number.
Don't be afraid to play with calories. If you make a change, like going up, and then insist on using the scale to gauge the effectiveness, give it a few weeks to thoroughly assess the effect it's having on your body. Be aware that water is going to screw with you. It just is. This is especially true if you strength train, which everyone should be doing come hell or high water.
Don't try to "lose weight". I hate that term. Instead, try to "gain fitness". Then none of these areas of confusion is that important anymore.
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:blushing: You're awesome, lady. *HUGS*0 -
Starvation mode is what happens when you eat below 1200 calories a day, even once, or go more than 12 hours without at least 400 calories. What happens is that cells in your body called fececysts become depleted of energy and and emit a secretion that triggers hormonal responses by the guanogland. Once this occurs, the hormones decrease your caloric expenditure limit and cause your digestive system to turn all consumed calories directly into fat.
Sounds legit.0 -
Starvation mode is what happens when you eat below 1200 calories a day, even once, or go more than 12 hours without at least 400 calories. What happens is that cells in your body called fececysts become depleted of energy and and emit a secretion that triggers hormonal responses by the guanogland. Once this occurs, the hormones decrease your caloric expenditure limit and cause your digestive system to turn all consumed calories directly into fat.
Ok, Normal, I seriously gotta see the reference for that. This is a theory that's completely new to me.0 -
Starvation mode is what happens when you eat below 1200 calories a day, even once, or go more than 12 hours without at least 400 calories. What happens is that cells in your body called fececysts become depleted of energy and and emit a secretion that triggers hormonal responses by the guanogland. Once this occurs, the hormones decrease your caloric expenditure limit and cause your digestive system to turn all consumed calories directly into fat.
Ok, Normal, I seriously gotta see the reference for that. This is a theory that's completely new to me.
Oye. I am here to share facts. I'm not here to write thesis papers. You have the basics, the terms, etc. Google as much supporting evidence as you need.0 -
Starvation mode is what happens when you eat below 1200 calories a day, even once, or go more than 12 hours without at least 400 calories. What happens is that cells in your body called fececysts become depleted of energy and and emit a secretion that triggers hormonal responses by the guanogland. Once this occurs, the hormones decrease your caloric expenditure limit and cause your digestive system to turn all consumed calories directly into fat.
Ok, Normal, I seriously gotta see the reference for that. This is a theory that's completely new to me.
Oye. I am here to share facts. I'm not here to write thesis papers. You have the basics, the terms, etc. Google as much supporting evidence as you need.
Not willing to share a reference does not look good. :frown:0 -
My confusion is that people undergo weight loss surgery to decrease the size of their stomach and lose weight because they can only eat tablespoons of food at a time. However, when I eat 1000-1200 calories of fresh fruits, veggies, juicing, fresh smoothies and lean meats, I am told that I am not eating enough calories. Soooo….??
1) They are extremely/morbidly obese people and studies have show that folks needing to lose 75+ pounds can handle a higher calorie deficit without much of a health detriment for a period of time.
2) This is a process monitored by medical professionals
3) As time passes, the patient is supposed to learn how to eat properly and is able to eat more. I'm not sure about gastric bypass but with the lapband there is some sort of fluid that they can change the level of to allow you to eat more.
Either way, these are not long term or exactly healthy ways of dieting. However in many cases, WLS is less dangerous than the other health effects that the patient is facing and therefore is worth the risk.
When you undereat, you may lose weight but it's not the healthy way to go about it. You need to properly fuel your body with the right nutrients. Although 1200 calories isn't technically right for everyone, it is a common ruler used because studies show if you get this many calories, you're likely getting the minimum of nutrition you need.
Thanks Minnie- I am more so referring to the "biology" behind it. Eat 800 calories worth of water crackers, applesauce and liquid supplements and lose weight. I each 1200 calories worth of fresh fruit, veggies and lean proteins and I'm told that I will not lose weight unless I eat more calories. Thats my confusion...I am also under a doctors care, my PCP and nutritionist. I also have right about 75lbs to lose (per the charts) but my goal is not to be that thin.
Many people are confused about properly fueling of the body. Calories consumed are not the only way to fuel a body. And weight loss surgery is not necessarily an unhealthy way to lose weight. There is increasing evidence to the contrary actually, even for those that are not morbidly obese.0 -
Unfortunately I really believe it's all of the above, and I feel like "eating too much" or "too little" varies a lot by person. I had to do a lot of experimentation to find out what works for me.
THIS. And it takes a lonnnngggg time. But you can figure it out, and once you do it's definitely a little bit easier!0 -
Starvation mode is what happens when you eat below 1200 calories a day, even once, or go more than 12 hours without at least 400 calories. What happens is that cells in your body called fececysts become depleted of energy and and emit a secretion that triggers hormonal responses by the guanogland. Once this occurs, the hormones decrease your caloric expenditure limit and cause your digestive system to turn all consumed calories directly into fat.
Ok, Normal, I seriously gotta see the reference for that. This is a theory that's completely new to me.
Oye. I am here to share facts. I'm not here to write thesis papers. You have the basics, the terms, etc. Google as much supporting evidence as you need.
Not willing to share a reference does not look good. :frown:
How do you know that clouds are made of water molecules? From a book obviously, but which book? Exactly. There's countless textbooks that will support what I've said. I just remember the info instead of the author's names. Just google the guanogland and fececysts. You'll find a plethora of sources to draw upon.0 -
Starvation mode is what happens when you eat below 1200 calories a day, even once, or go more than 12 hours without at least 400 calories. What happens is that cells in your body called fececysts become depleted of energy and and emit a secretion that triggers hormonal responses by the guanogland. Once this occurs, the hormones decrease your caloric expenditure limit and cause your digestive system to turn all consumed calories directly into fat.
Even if this were true, it wouldn't mean you gain weight or prevent weight loss If all consumed calories were turned directly to fat, your body would have to burn stored fat. It must use something for fuel, after all.0 -
Starvation mode is what happens when you eat below 1200 calories a day, even once, or go more than 12 hours without at least 400 calories. What happens is that cells in your body called fececysts become depleted of energy and and emit a secretion that triggers hormonal responses by the guanogland. Once this occurs, the hormones decrease your caloric expenditure limit and cause your digestive system to turn all consumed calories directly into fat.
Even if this were true, it wouldn't mean you gain weight or prevent weight loss If all consumed calories were turned directly to fat, your body would have to burn stored fat. It must use something for fuel, after all.
I guess you just completely ignored the part where the body drops its max burn limit, so that it gets more time out of the same energy pool.0 -
Starvation mode is what happens when you eat below 1200 calories a day, even once, or go more than 12 hours without at least 400 calories. What happens is that cells in your body called fececysts become depleted of energy and and emit a secretion that triggers hormonal responses by the guanogland. Once this occurs, the hormones decrease your caloric expenditure limit and cause your digestive system to turn all consumed calories directly into fat.
Even if this were true, it wouldn't mean you gain weight or prevent weight loss If all consumed calories were turned directly to fat, your body would have to burn stored fat. It must use something for fuel, after all.
I guess you just completely ignored the part where the body drops its max burn limit, so that it gets more time out of the same energy pool.
Im a science student doing my second year of A-levels in chemistry,biology and physics. And what he says is true the body goes into a defensive mode when its starving, you store fat because your body needs energy first to function.0 -
Yes, eventually. Took me a year of eating low calorie. I just needed a diet break. 2 weeks at maintenance.“if you eat too little your weight loss will stall”
Most people, yup. And even if you're weighing. There can be a 20% margin of error on labels.“everyone underestimates how many calories they’re eating. you’re probably eating too many”
Metabolic adaptation is, again, eventually. You can have a stronger deficit if you have more to lose.“starvation mode is true. . blah blah blah”“starvation mode is a myth. .blah blee blah”
In the sense of people eating 1200 calories for 2 weeks and then "starvation mode" kicks in? That's a myth. Again, it's metabolic adaptation.0 -
Yes, eventually. Took me a year of eating low calorie. I just needed a diet break. 2 weeks at maintenance.“if you eat too little your weight loss will stall”
Most people, yup. And even if you're weighing. There can be a 20% margin of error on labels.“everyone underestimates how many calories they’re eating. you’re probably eating too many”
Metabolic adaptation is, again, eventually. You can have a stronger deficit if you have more to lose.“starvation mode is true. . blah blah blah”“starvation mode is a myth. .blah blee blah”
In the sense of people eating 1200 calories for 2 weeks and then "starvation mode" kicks in? That's a myth. Again, it's metabolic adaptation.
Corrections:
-it actually takes only 24 hours for starvation mode to kick in
-just because you call it "adaptation" instead of "mode", it doesn't mean it's a myth
-you may be experiencing it as we speak0 -
I feel like my original post explaining the guanoglands and fececysts explained it all.
You people keep debating semantics because you don't want to get into the science of it - which I've proved.0 -
I feel like my original post explaining the guanoglands and fececysts explained it all.
You people keep debating semantics because you don't want to get into the science of it - which I've proved.
GUANOgland? FECEcyst? Hmmmm.....I think I smell something.0 -
I feel like my original post explaining the guanoglands and fececysts explained it all.
You people keep debating semantics because you don't want to get into the science of it - which I've proved.
GUANOgland? FECEcyst? Hmmmm.....I think I smell something.
Oh great... so your arguments have succumb to attacking the spelling of the scientific terms as opposed to the actual science? I guess I should expect that.0 -
Science for the win!0
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Starvation mode is what happens when you eat below 1200 calories a day, even once, or go more than 12 hours without at least 400 calories. What happens is that cells in your body called fececysts become depleted of energy and and emit a secretion that triggers hormonal responses by the guanogland. Once this occurs, the hormones decrease your caloric expenditure limit and cause your digestive system to turn all consumed calories directly into fat.
Even if this were true, it wouldn't mean you gain weight or prevent weight loss If all consumed calories were turned directly to fat, your body would have to burn stored fat. It must use something for fuel, after all.
I guess you just completely ignored the part where the body drops its max burn limit, so that it gets more time out of the same energy pool.
Can you define "energy pool" for this body that is "turn(ing) all consumed calories directly into fat"?0 -
Starvation mode is what happens when you eat below 1200 calories a day, even once, or go more than 12 hours without at least 400 calories. What happens is that cells in your body called fececysts become depleted of energy and and emit a secretion that triggers hormonal responses by the guanogland. Once this occurs, the hormones decrease your caloric expenditure limit and cause your digestive system to turn all consumed calories directly into fat.
Even if this were true, it wouldn't mean you gain weight or prevent weight loss If all consumed calories were turned directly to fat, your body would have to burn stored fat. It must use something for fuel, after all.
I guess you just completely ignored the part where the body drops its max burn limit, so that it gets more time out of the same energy pool.
Can you define "energy pool" for this body that is "turn(ing) all consumed calories directly into fat"?
Lets think... if calories are stored into fat... what oh what could the body use as an "energy pool" for calories.... Oh that's right... fat. It's just using less of it though!0 -
When it comes to getting over the confusion it can get complicated. I've tried everything from starvation to a rigorous training routine. To just flat out only lifting etc. Over the years to get to the point i'm at now ( which i'm happy with ). My best results came from various training guides and regimes. I starting using FLF, saw results in about 2 1/2 weeks with that planning system and information. You should read up on such things if your trying to get a little more serious - check out some of these reviews - http://www.majorityreviews.com/articles-fatloss/ - Hope that helps!!!0
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Starvation mode is what happens when you eat below 1200 calories a day, even once, or go more than 12 hours without at least 400 calories. What happens is that cells in your body called fececysts become depleted of energy and and emit a secretion that triggers hormonal responses by the guanogland. Once this occurs, the hormones decrease your caloric expenditure limit and cause your digestive system to turn all consumed calories directly into fat.
Even if this were true, it wouldn't mean you gain weight or prevent weight loss If all consumed calories were turned directly to fat, your body would have to burn stored fat. It must use something for fuel, after all.
I guess you just completely ignored the part where the body drops its max burn limit, so that it gets more time out of the same energy pool.
Can you define "energy pool" for this body that is "turn(ing) all consumed calories directly into fat"?
Lets think... if calories are stored into fat... what oh what could the body use as an "energy pool" for calories.... Oh that's right... fat. It's just using less of it though!
Okay, thinking cap on and I'm thinking real hard. But I just can't figure how that differs from my statement above that said "your body would have to burn stored fat".
And honestly I'm having a hard time with how "turning all calories consumed directly into fat" and "using stored fat for fuel" would be much different than using the calories before they turned to fat.0 -
Do you NET between 1200 and 1300? Or do you eat that much and exercise on top of that?I agree with most on this thread, everyone is different. What I have been doing is trying to stick with between 1200.1300 calories a day and I have been steadily losing weight for the last month or so. Trial and error is really what it boils down to, try sticking with your calorie goal, go a little extreme and stick to a 1200 calorie a day diet, don't starve yourself though, if your hungry drink some water, if your still hungry eat something.0 -
Starvation mode is what happens when you eat below 1200 calories a day, even once, or go more than 12 hours without at least 400 calories. What happens is that cells in your body called fececysts become depleted of energy and and emit a secretion that triggers hormonal responses by the guanogland. Once this occurs, the hormones decrease your caloric expenditure limit and cause your digestive system to turn all consumed calories directly into fat.
Even if this were true, it wouldn't mean you gain weight or prevent weight loss If all consumed calories were turned directly to fat, your body would have to burn stored fat. It must use something for fuel, after all.
I guess you just completely ignored the part where the body drops its max burn limit, so that it gets more time out of the same energy pool.
Can you define "energy pool" for this body that is "turn(ing) all consumed calories directly into fat"?
Lets think... if calories are stored into fat... what oh what could the body use as an "energy pool" for calories.... Oh that's right... fat. It's just using less of it though!
Okay, thinking cap on and I'm thinking real hard. But I just can't figure how that differs from my statement above that said "your body would have to burn stored fat".
And honestly I'm having a hard time with how "turning all calories consumed directly into fat" and "using stored fat for fuel" would be much different than using the calories before they turned to fat.
You're not listening to a single thing I say. You're seeing words and missing entire concepts.
Have you even looked up fececysts and tried doing an ounce of research?0
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