Struggling to eat enough, or bulking/gaining weight?

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  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    So you are saying the fats are are all equal?

    I am saying that given identical macronutrient intake and micronutrient sufficiency needs are met, individual food items are purely preferential.



    Edit: I'm assuming real world scenarios here and not extreme oddities like filling your CHO entirely with table sugar for example.
  • HeidiMightyRawr
    HeidiMightyRawr Posts: 3,343 Member

    Tell me, which vitamins and minerals do you think I am NOT getting.

    Calcium? Judging purely from that day there doesn't seem to be dairy. You can get from leafy veg, and you said earlier you have broccoli and spinach, but I'm just going by the diary entry you gave as I haven't seen any more recently. Do you eat this everyday or most days in order to get this. Same with Vitamin K.

    If you do, fair play I can't think of any other way it's limited. The same question I asked applys though, is there anything there that couldn't have been had through a more varied (but not so clean) diet.
  • Mads1997
    Mads1997 Posts: 1,494 Member

    I'm aware that a lot of people struggle because they don't want to eat any "junk" at all. I don't eat 100% clean, but I don't think I eat junk either. I try to get as much nutritional value as I can with what I choose to have, so hopefully it helps for that too.

    sausage rolls, biscuits, pizza, that's all junk.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member

    I'm aware that a lot of people struggle because they don't want to eat any "junk" at all. I don't eat 100% clean, but I don't think I eat junk either. I try to get as much nutritional value as I can with what I choose to have, so hopefully it helps for that too.

    sausage rolls, biscuits, pizza, that's all junk.

    Why?
  • HeidiMightyRawr
    HeidiMightyRawr Posts: 3,343 Member

    I'm aware that a lot of people struggle because they don't want to eat any "junk" at all. I don't eat 100% clean, but I don't think I eat junk either. I try to get as much nutritional value as I can with what I choose to have, so hopefully it helps for that too.

    sausage rolls, biscuits, pizza, that's all junk.

    Yes I eat those, I don't restrict myself from any foods.

    I don't think the examples I gave in the blog though were junk, I would see them as a middle ground. I wasn't recommending sausage rolls or biscuits as good bulking food in the post, they were just things I chose to eat myself, and they fit my goals so I'm not going to feel bad about it.

    I think I'll make clear now, I'm not saying that this is the right way or the wrong way. People have the right to eat how they like, and do whatever works for them. Some like IIFYM (like me) and some like to eat 100% clean, and that's fine too. The whole point of the post and the blog was to give out ideas for high calorie meals as a lot of people struggle with eating enough. I purposefully chose meals that had some nutritional value (even if they're not 100% clean) in order to give ideas to those who don't want to just eat biscuits and sausage rolls.
  • Oishii
    Oishii Posts: 2,675 Member
    Personally, I believe a little junk is far less damaging in a high calorie diet than the same amount in a low calorie diet. I fear I did my body some damage eating junk in place of healthier food on 1200kcal, but on 2000kcal plus, just adding junk on top of healthy food is less problematic.

    As for chicken curry, I'm sure there are healthier and less healthy ways to make it. Curry does not have to mean high in saturated fat.
  • Mads1997
    Mads1997 Posts: 1,494 Member
    a little junk is fine but there is more than a little junk in the OP's diary, but she says she doesn't eat junk? Just admit you eat junk like biscuits, mince pies, sausage rolls, pizza, doughnuts, Seemed a little hypocitical that's all.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    a little junk is fine but there is more than a little junk in the OP's diary, but she says she doesn't eat junk? Just admit you eat junk like biscuits, mince pies, sausage rolls, pizza, doughnuts, Seemed a little hypocitical that's all.

    You haven't clarified what makes it junk.
  • testease
    testease Posts: 220
    a little junk is fine but there is more than a little junk in the OP's diary, but she says she doesn't eat junk? Just admit you eat junk like biscuits, mince pies, sausage rolls, pizza, doughnuts, Seemed a little hypocitical that's all.

    You haven't clarified what makes it junk.

    Duh if its not chicken/lean beef and veggies, its junk. Anything that tastes good is junk
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    I've seen in the forums quite a few times about people who are struggling to meet their calorie allowance, usually because exercise brings up the total, or they're trying to gain weight / bulk.

    I'm trying to bulk myself, minimum goal of 3000 calories a day. So I decided to make a blog post for those of you who are gaining as well, and might need some ideas of what sort of foods to eat to get the calories up, or those who are just after new recipes that aren't low calorie.

    I'm aware that a lot of people struggle because they don't want to eat any "junk" at all. I don't eat 100% clean, but I don't think I eat junk either. I try to get as much nutritional value as I can with what I choose to have, so hopefully it helps for that too.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/heidi_1990/view/higher-calorie-meals-with-pics-448858

    ^ Female bulking at the same intake I bulk on. @#$# my life.

    I'm going to go cry in the corner now, thanks.


    ^this

    Hold me bro.
  • HeidiMightyRawr
    HeidiMightyRawr Posts: 3,343 Member
    a little junk is fine but there is more than a little junk in the OP's diary, but she says she doesn't eat junk? Just admit you eat junk like biscuits, mince pies, sausage rolls, pizza, doughnuts, Seemed a little hypocitical that's all.

    Yes, I eat those things. I see what you mean and how it's taken as hypocritical. What I meant was, I don't have junk as part of my main meals, things that I use to get my 3000 in, or the things I listed in the blog. I was giving examples of foods that were not "junk" that I eat regularly to show that you can get a high amount in without it. I do have these "Junk foods" in addition to that.

    Although, I will add that I don't see some of those things you mentioned (mainly pizza, sausage rolls, mince pies) as junk. To me, junk food means little or no nutritional value. There is a nutritional value in those foods, even if it's not as much as in some other foods.
  • HeidiMightyRawr
    HeidiMightyRawr Posts: 3,343 Member
    a little junk is fine but there is more than a little junk in the OP's diary, but she says she doesn't eat junk? Just admit you eat junk like biscuits, mince pies, sausage rolls, pizza, doughnuts, Seemed a little hypocitical that's all.

    You haven't clarified what makes it junk.

    Duh if its not chicken/lean beef and veggies, its junk. Anything that tastes good is junk

    LOL! This reminded me of this...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66boOY4xXGU
    Personally, I believe a little junk is far less damaging in a high calorie diet than the same amount in a low calorie diet. I fear I did my body some damage eating junk in place of healthier food on 1200kcal, but on 2000kcal plus, just adding junk on top of healthy food is less problematic.

    Yep, if I was on a low calorie diet, I wouldn't eat any snack foods or "junk" at all. Not only would I be hungry all the time, but I wouldn't be getting enough nutrients. On 3000+ calories a day, where the main aim is to gain weight, you have plenty of room to get all your nutritional requirements in, alongside satisfying, filling foods. There should really be room after that to do as you please with the calories.
  • Matt_Wild
    Matt_Wild Posts: 2,673 Member
    AGAIN there IS a difference.

    Fats are not equal. You will have hydrogenated fats. You'll you will have processed saturated non animal fats. You will have lower omega 3's and 6's.

    This means increased LDLs (bad chelestrol) decreased HDLs and elevated triglycerides. Furthermore your insulin sensitivity gets effected negatively so you will find it easier to put on fat.

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