Wear HRM all day to determine ideal weight loss calories?
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Explain it then buddy.
There is no direct correlation between heart rate and calories burned0 -
Explain it then buddy.
There is no direct correlation between heart rate and calories burned
Really? You mean when your heart is beating at 150bpm you are burning the same amount of calories as when it is beating at 60bpm?
Or are you burning more calories at 150bpm then at 60bpm?0 -
Explain it then buddy.
There is no direct correlation between heart rate and calories burned
Really? You mean when your heart is beating at 150bpm you are burning the same amount of calories as when it is beating at 60bpm?
Or are you burning more calories at 150bpm then at 60bpm?
Calories are burned when energy is expended not because of elevated heart rate
Do you burn more calories during exercise? Yes. Does your heart rate go up during exercise? Yes
Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No0 -
You should just back out now
That's what she said0 -
Explain it then buddy.
There is no direct correlation between heart rate and calories burned
Really? You mean when your heart is beating at 150bpm you are burning the same amount of calories as when it is beating at 60bpm?
Or are you burning more calories at 150bpm then at 60bpm?
Calories are burned when energy is expended not because of elevated heart rate
Do you burn more calories during exercise? Yes. Does your heart rate go up during exercise? Yes
Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No
I heard a rumor that I burn calories while I'm asleep0 -
Explain it then buddy.
There is no direct correlation between heart rate and calories burned
Really? You mean when your heart is beating at 150bpm you are burning the same amount of calories as when it is beating at 60bpm?
Or are you burning more calories at 150bpm then at 60bpm?
Calories are burned when energy is expended not because of elevated heart rate
Do you burn more calories during exercise? Yes. Does your heart rate go up during exercise? Yes
Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No
Hate to break it to you but your heart is a muscle. When it beats faster your burning more calories then if it's at a slower rate. Ok ok yes if your heart is the only muscle that is working harder (i.e. obese people) it is only a small increase in overall energy expenditure. When your muscles are working harder the tissue requires more oxygen which is why our heart rates increase when we are working out. <-- that is also known as a correlation.
You still haven't proven your point. Your point is: "Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No"
You have no evidence that supports that nor have you even explained why this is so.0 -
Explain it then buddy.
There is no direct correlation between heart rate and calories burned
Really? You mean when your heart is beating at 150bpm you are burning the same amount of calories as when it is beating at 60bpm?
Or are you burning more calories at 150bpm then at 60bpm?
Calories are burned when energy is expended not because of elevated heart rate
Do you burn more calories during exercise? Yes. Does your heart rate go up during exercise? Yes
Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No
I heard a rumor that I burn calories while I'm asleep
This is false...it's a common misconception though because you only have real measurable fat loss while you sleep. Its the only time your body can devout the energy needed to break down the fat. During the day, you're moving and thinking and breathing too much that the body can't afford the energy to break down the fat, so it burns calories instead.0 -
I heard a rumor that I burn calories while I'm asleep
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Shhhh don't bring sleeping into the conversation, you don't want to confuse him.0 -
Explain it then buddy.
There is no direct correlation between heart rate and calories burned
Really? You mean when your heart is beating at 150bpm you are burning the same amount of calories as when it is beating at 60bpm?
Or are you burning more calories at 150bpm then at 60bpm?
Calories burned = energy usage
To convert fuel to energy, oxygen is used--->oxygen demand is directly related to energy usage.
There is a relationship during AEROBIC EXERCISE between your heart rate and the oxygen used that is used by the HRM to estimate calories burned. Heart rate and calories don't directly have a relationship. This is why VO2max is a setting on the HRM, it correlates heart rate and calories. Heart rate is much easier to measure than oxygen exchange.
ETA: When you go have your metabolic rate tested, they hook you up to a machine that measures oxygen exchange, not heart rate. This is why.0 -
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Explain it then buddy.
There is no direct correlation between heart rate and calories burned
Really? You mean when your heart is beating at 150bpm you are burning the same amount of calories as when it is beating at 60bpm?
Or are you burning more calories at 150bpm then at 60bpm?
Calories are burned when energy is expended not because of elevated heart rate
Do you burn more calories during exercise? Yes. Does your heart rate go up during exercise? Yes
Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No
Hate to break it to you but your heart is a muscle. When it beats faster your burning more calories then if it's at a slower rate. Ok ok yes if your heart is the only muscle that is working harder (i.e. obese people) it is only a small increase in overall energy expenditure. When your muscles are working harder the tissue requires more oxygen which is why our heart rates increase when we are working out. <-- that is also known as a correlation.
You still haven't proven your point. Your point is: "Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No"
You have no evidence that supports that nor have you even explained why this is so.
Wait..because I'm fat, my heart is the only muscle that works? What?0 -
Explain it then buddy.
There is no direct correlation between heart rate and calories burned
Really? You mean when your heart is beating at 150bpm you are burning the same amount of calories as when it is beating at 60bpm?
Or are you burning more calories at 150bpm then at 60bpm?
Calories are burned when energy is expended not because of elevated heart rate
Do you burn more calories during exercise? Yes. Does your heart rate go up during exercise? Yes
Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No
Hate to break it to you but your heart is a muscle. When it beats faster your burning more calories then if it's at a slower rate. Ok ok yes if your heart is the only muscle that is working harder (i.e. obese people) it is only a small increase in overall energy expenditure. When your muscles are working harder the tissue requires more oxygen which is why our heart rates increase when we are working out. <-- that is also known as a correlation.
You still haven't proven your point. Your point is: "Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No"
You have no evidence that supports that nor have you even explained why this is so.
Wait..because I'm fat, my heart is the only muscle that works? What?
No you misunderstood. All of your muscles work! Don't worry. I was saying that if all else was left out of the equation and the only difference you had in your body was a faster heart rate vs. a slower one, you would burn more calories with a higher heart rate because you heart is a muscle that expends energy. In obese people their hearts have to work harder because of numerous factors, for example: high cholesterol which makes it harder for the blood to pulse through the body. i.e. an obese persons heart has to work harder to get the blood to all of their extremities.0 -
Explain it then buddy.
There is no direct correlation between heart rate and calories burned
Really? You mean when your heart is beating at 150bpm you are burning the same amount of calories as when it is beating at 60bpm?
Or are you burning more calories at 150bpm then at 60bpm?
Calories are burned when energy is expended not because of elevated heart rate
Do you burn more calories during exercise? Yes. Does your heart rate go up during exercise? Yes
Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No
Hate to break it to you but your heart is a muscle. When it beats faster your burning more calories then if it's at a slower rate. Ok ok yes if your heart is the only muscle that is working harder (i.e. obese people) it is only a small increase in overall energy expenditure. When your muscles are working harder the tissue requires more oxygen which is why our heart rates increase when we are working out. <-- that is also known as a correlation.
You still haven't proven your point. Your point is: "Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No"
You have no evidence that supports that nor have you even explained why this is so.
Wait..because I'm fat, my heart is the only muscle that works? What?
Uh oh. Somebody poked the bear.
Popcorn anyone?0 -
So when I'm sitting here with my resting heart rate of 64 bpm, how many calories/hour will that be?0
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So when I'm sitting here with my resting heart rate of 64 bpm, how many calories/hour will that be?
All of them. :flowerforyou:0 -
Explain it then buddy.
There is no direct correlation between heart rate and calories burned
Really? You mean when your heart is beating at 150bpm you are burning the same amount of calories as when it is beating at 60bpm?
Or are you burning more calories at 150bpm then at 60bpm?
Calories are burned when energy is expended not because of elevated heart rate
Do you burn more calories during exercise? Yes. Does your heart rate go up during exercise? Yes
Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No
Hate to break it to you but your heart is a muscle. When it beats faster your burning more calories then if it's at a slower rate. Ok ok yes if your heart is the only muscle that is working harder (i.e. obese people) it is only a small increase in overall energy expenditure. When your muscles are working harder the tissue requires more oxygen which is why our heart rates increase when we are working out. <-- that is also known as a correlation.
You still haven't proven your point. Your point is: "Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No"
You have no evidence that supports that nor have you even explained why this is so.
Wait..because I'm fat, my heart is the only muscle that works? What?
No you misunderstood. All of your muscles work! Don't worry. I was saying that if all else was left out of the equation and the only difference you had in your body was a faster heart rate vs. a slower one, you would burn more calories with a higher heart rate because you heart is a muscle that expends energy. In obese people their hearts have to work harder because of numerous factors, for example: high cholesterol which makes it harder for the blood to pulse through the body. i.e. an obese persons heart has to work harder to get the blood to all of their extremities.
So, since I'm fat, I have high cholesterol?0 -
So when I'm sitting here with my resting heart rate of 64 bpm, how many calories/hour will that be?
put on your HRM and find out!0 -
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Many have attempted this or asked about it. It doesn't work, HRM isn't intended for that.0
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So, since I'm fat, I have high cholesterol?
*FACEPALM*
...probably. You probably suffer from many other things as well from your obesity. Low testosterone, low energy, erectile dysfunction, low self esteem, high blood pressure, diabetes. To name a few.0 -
So, since I'm fat, I have high cholesterol?
*FACEPALM*
...probably. You probably suffer from many other things as well from your obesity. Low testosterone, low energy, erectile dysfunction, low self esteem, high blood pressure, diabetes. To name a few.
Well, that answers A LOT of questions!
If my other muscles worked I would go work out and try to get healthy but I'll probably get a heart attack if I get up from my keyboard.0 -
*FACEPALM*
...probably. You probably suffer from many other things as well from your obesity. Low testosterone, low energy, erectile dysfunction, low self esteem, high blood pressure, diabetes. To name a few.
hahaha you just revealed your hand. You're pretending to be a complete idiot just to provoke.0 -
Wow.
So, since I'm fat, I have high cholesterol?
*FACEPALM*
...probably. You probably suffer from many other things as well from your obesity. Low testosterone, low energy, erectile dysfunction, low self esteem, high blood pressure, diabetes. To name a few.
Good thing you're pretty.0 -
Explain it then buddy.
There is no direct correlation between heart rate and calories burned
Really? You mean when your heart is beating at 150bpm you are burning the same amount of calories as when it is beating at 60bpm?
Or are you burning more calories at 150bpm then at 60bpm?
Calories are burned when energy is expended not because of elevated heart rate
Do you burn more calories during exercise? Yes. Does your heart rate go up during exercise? Yes
Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No
Hate to break it to you but your heart is a muscle. When it beats faster your burning more calories then if it's at a slower rate. Ok ok yes if your heart is the only muscle that is working harder (i.e. obese people) it is only a small increase in overall energy expenditure. When your muscles are working harder the tissue requires more oxygen which is why our heart rates increase when we are working out. <-- that is also known as a correlation.
You still haven't proven your point. Your point is: "Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No"
You have no evidence that supports that nor have you even explained why this is so.
Wait..because I'm fat, my heart is the only muscle that works? What?
No you misunderstood. All of your muscles work! Don't worry. I was saying that if all else was left out of the equation and the only difference you had in your body was a faster heart rate vs. a slower one, you would burn more calories with a higher heart rate because you heart is a muscle that expends energy. In obese people their hearts have to work harder because of numerous factors, for example: high cholesterol which makes it harder for the blood to pulse through the body. i.e. an obese persons heart has to work harder to get the blood to all of their extremities.
You either listen to drmerc and bean or continue ...
Let me try.
I know a couple of products that will artificially raise or reduce your heart rate. For example, I can inject a calcium pump inhibitor directly into your heart, or give you amphetamines, or beta-blockers. Each of these will have an effect on your heart rate (up or down) And before they kill you they can, at low dosages, only affect your heart rate, if you were to carry out an effort on the treadmill we could measure your metabolic burn via O2 consumption or a metabolic nuclear residue imagine, etc. and your heart rate would be affected by the product I administered as well as the effort.
HR function, volumetric contraction, expulsion volume, the whole shebang of the Stokes function would be different just because of the product and not the metabolic burn. HRM use a standardized calculation based on age, weight, sex (and sometime actual VO2max) to estimate effort and metabolic calorie equivalents. This calculated function is based on data from steady state exercise sets for a variety of sports. It is not based on data for rest, nor sleeping, nor weight training nor stair climbing - each of which can affect HR without affecting oxygen metabolism. If I press on your eyeballs I can nudge a syncope and a post syncope HR increase, this will not consume more calories in any significant way, but you HRM would measure about 200 calories before you passed out.
Btw, if you still don't believe this, pm me, I'm still in touch will my mentor and he's always looking for a few new 'subjects' for his work - working with human volunteers is ethically superior to the work that was done on ... other subjects. But this is how heart valves and pumps got designed.0 -
Wow.
So, since I'm fat, I have high cholesterol?
*FACEPALM*
...probably. You probably suffer from many other things as well from your obesity. Low testosterone, low energy, erectile dysfunction, low self esteem, high blood pressure, diabetes. To name a few.
Good thing you're pretty.
:flowerforyou: 0 -
Okay, since there's a lot of answers on either side of the fence how about the manufacturer themselves don't recommend it as a way to accurately count calories?
Ignoring all of the other statements made one way or another about how they calculate or what kind of activity or non-activity you are doing while wearing it, when I contacted Polar customer support to ask if someone could wear one of their HRMs all day to calculate calories burned during the day the answer I received was that technically you could, in that one technically it's possible to wear an HRM all day and get a calorie burn at the end of it. But that the devices were calibrated to provide caloric burn estimates for periods of time where the heart rate is elevated and that they did not endorse or recommend trying to estimate your daily burn with one of their HRMs.
Oh, but they did say that if a person did want to wear it all day to remember to keep the chest band dampened in order to keep it reading throughout the day.
No, I wasn't asking because I wanted to try it, I've worn a BMF for a year and a half. I asked because of how frequently this question gets asked on this forum and I wanted an answer straight from the source.
That apparently no one cares about anyway.0 -
Explain it then buddy.
There is no direct correlation between heart rate and calories burned
Really? You mean when your heart is beating at 150bpm you are burning the same amount of calories as when it is beating at 60bpm?
Or are you burning more calories at 150bpm then at 60bpm?
Calories are burned when energy is expended not because of elevated heart rate
Do you burn more calories during exercise? Yes. Does your heart rate go up during exercise? Yes
Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No
Hate to break it to you but your heart is a muscle. When it beats faster your burning more calories then if it's at a slower rate. Ok ok yes if your heart is the only muscle that is working harder (i.e. obese people) it is only a small increase in overall energy expenditure. When your muscles are working harder the tissue requires more oxygen which is why our heart rates increase when we are working out. <-- that is also known as a correlation.
You still haven't proven your point. Your point is: "Do you burn calories because your heart rate is up? No"
You have no evidence that supports that nor have you even explained why this is so.
Wait..because I'm fat, my heart is the only muscle that works? What?
No you misunderstood. All of your muscles work! Don't worry. I was saying that if all else was left out of the equation and the only difference you had in your body was a faster heart rate vs. a slower one, you would burn more calories with a higher heart rate because you heart is a muscle that expends energy. In obese people their hearts have to work harder because of numerous factors, for example: high cholesterol which makes it harder for the blood to pulse through the body. i.e. an obese persons heart has to work harder to get the blood to all of their extremities.
You either listen to drmerc and bean or continue ...
Let me try.
I know a couple of products that will artificially raise or reduce your heart rate. For example, I can inject a calcium pump inhibitor directly into your heart, or give you amphetamines, or beta-blockers. Each of these will have an effect on your heart rate (up or down) And before they kill you they can, at low dosages, only affect your heart rate, if you were to carry out an effort on the treadmill we could measure your metabolic burn via O2 consumption or a metabolic nuclear residue imagine, etc. and your heart rate would be affected by the product I administered as well as the effort.
HR function, volumetric contraction, expulsion volume, the whole shebang of the Stokes function would be different just because of the product and not the metabolic burn. HRM use a standardized calculation based on age, weight, sex (and sometime actual VO2max) to estimate effort and metabolic calorie equivalents. This calculated function is based on data from steady state exercise sets for a variety of sports. It is not based on data for rest, nor sleeping, nor weight training nor stair climbing - each of which can affect HR without affecting oxygen metabolism. If I press on your eyeballs I can nudge a syncope and a post syncope HR increase, this will not consume more calories in any significant way, but you HRM would measure about 200 calories before you passed out.
Btw, if you still don't believe this, pm me, I'm still in touch will my mentor and he's always looking for a few new 'subjects' for his work - working with human volunteers is ethically superior to the work that was done on ... other subjects. But this is how heart valves and pumps got designed.
(No idea what any of this means...I mean, I was TL;DR about half way through it...but still...)
^THIS. Totally this^0 -
It would work, I guess. But you would be better off getting a fitbit, I can't live without mine!0
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Okay, since there's a lot of answers on either side of the fence how about the manufacturer themselves don't recommend it as a way to accurately count calories?
Ignoring all of the other statements made one way or another about how they calculate or what kind of activity or non-activity you are doing while wearing it, when I contacted Polar customer support to ask if someone could wear one of their HRMs all day to calculate calories burned during the day the answer I received was that technically you could, in that one technically it's possible to wear an HRM all day and get a calorie burn at the end of it. But that the devices were calibrated to provide caloric burn estimates for periods of time where the heart rate is elevated and that they did not endorse or recommend trying to estimate your daily burn with one of their HRMs.
Oh, but they did say that if a person did want to wear it all day to remember to keep the chest band dampened in order to keep it reading throughout the day.
No, I wasn't asking because I wanted to try it, I've worn a BMF for a year and a half. I asked because of how frequently this question gets asked on this forum and I wanted an answer straight from the source.
That apparently no one cares about anyway.
Boring. Did not read entirely. 2/10. Would not try to read again.
Now, let's get back to the argument.0 -
I use my motoactv with a HRM strap for this.
However, when not doing a specific 'activity', the motoactv works purely as a pedomter and does not use the HRM functionality.
Presumably a pedometer in these cases is considered more accurate.
On that, if you do a fair for bits of exercise a day; ie running, out door walks, cycling etc then the motoactv is a very good 'do it all' device. No subscription and can be kept on you for the full day to give a TDEE figure.0
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