Thinking about paleo...
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It will make you grumpy*
*From my own personal observations on these forums0 -
Broth is filling?:laugh:...
Home made bone broth is exceptionally nutritional and filling.
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Yes, it is! Because it's fatty.0 -
Don't do it. It's basically a modified adkins
Atkins is low/no carb. Paleo is no/low junk. BIG DIFFERENCE. It is lower carb by default because, let's face it, junk food is mostly CARBS and that's where the majority of our carbs come from.0 -
I do primal rather than paleo. I do it because I have a serious problem with binging when I eat grains, and taking them out of the equation has increased my satiety and has (mostly) killed my cravings.0
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I've always seen primal and paleo used interchangeably. Can you explain the difference?0
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Just curious why you consider it to be extreme?
I thought this was pretty obvious. It is extreme because it removes entire foods from your diet. Like Atkins, it has a "no eat list". I find anything that says "You can't eat this ever", extreme, unless I am doing so because of a medical reason. However, even then, it might be extreme but necessary.
I guess, I don't find it to be restrictive because I eat a larger variety of foods now than I ever did before paleo. When you let go of junky, easy food like pasta & sandwiches, your world is opened up to a whole lot of tasty, fresh foods.
A typical week for me consists of things like; buffalo chicken wings, smoked beef brisket, cabbage, sweet potatoes (prepared a million diff ways), meatballs that contain herbs and spinach, fajitas (without the shells), fresh raw veggies dipped in homemade ranch dip, spaghetti squash with meat & veggie sauce, gyro burgers with the most amazing (homemade) tzatziki sauce, omelettes stuffed with meat & veggies, avocados, smoked salmon, steak, shrimp, zucchini lasagna...etc.
http://mypathtopaleo.blogspot.com/0 -
Ask yourself what I asked myself before starting low carb: Could you happily eat steak every day for the rest of your life? If the answer is yes, go for it.
You can expect your food bill to skyrocket, by the way, so be prepared for that.0 -
It's a tough change of habits. I myself would prefer a more moderate, less restrictive version of it. I do like Mark's Daily Apple though - he has some good nuggets of advice for would be paleo eaters: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/
Definitely check out Mark's stuff. I've done paleo in the past, but it's not something I could do all the time. It definitely worked for me, but I get really irritable without carbs (fruit just doesn't cut it) and I've found that my current lifestyle of healthy foods, portion control and plenty of exercise works just as well, and I can stick with that. But, it's not a harmful diet, so I'd definitely suggest giving it a shot if it's something you're interested in. Just be aware of the fact that you're probably going to have to eat a lot more than you currently do on paleo.0 -
I have a few co-workers who swear by the paleo diet and for them it has been very successful. I looked into it and, like others have mentioned, it is a bit too restrictive for me. Personally, I'm mainly going with portion control & increasing exercise.
I would suggest to do research on it. Like other here suggested check out some of the forums. Maybe even try it for a few weeks. If you feel it is something you can do then go for it.
Best of luck with whichever choice you make.0 -
It's a tough change of habits. I myself would prefer a more moderate, less restrictive version of it. I do like Mark's Daily Apple though - he has some good nuggets of advice for would be paleo eaters: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/
Definitely check out Mark's stuff. I've done paleo in the past, but it's not something I could do all the time. It definitely worked for me, but I get really irritable without carbs (fruit just doesn't cut it) and I've found that my current lifestyle of healthy foods, portion control and plenty of exercise works just as well, and I can stick with that. But, it's not a harmful diet, so I'd definitely suggest giving it a shot if it's something you're interested in. Just be aware of the fact that you're probably going to have to eat a lot more than you currently do on paleo.
I can definitely agree about not getting enough carbs. I eat sweet potatoes almost everyday for that reason. They are filling & yummy and help keep my carbs in the range that keeps me happy
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I've always seen primal and paleo used interchangeably. Can you explain the difference?
Dairy.
Paleo excludes:
All processed foods (whatever the definition of the day is for processed)
Potatoes and tomatoes
Beans and other leagumes (incl peanuts/peanut butter)
All grains (incl rice, wheat, barley, corn, etc...)
All dairy and dairy products
All alcoholic beverages
Basically what you are left with is meat, some vegetables, and nuts
Primal is exactly the same, but dairy and (depends on the person) rice are removed from the evil foods list.
Strict paleo is by definition gluten free and usually low carb (unless you enjoy eating boatloads of sweet potatoes).
A lot of people on paleo tend to go to the place where they way undereat necessary calories and feel plenty full, depending on how that is handled it can lead into an ED trap (almost every orthorexic is either paleo or vegan (raw especailly)). Almost everyone on paleo will eventually have to try to figure out how to eat more calories.0 -
I've always seen primal and paleo used interchangeably. Can you explain the difference?
Dairy.
Paleo excludes:
All processed foods (whatever the definition of the day is for processed)
Potatoes and tomatoes
Beans and other leagumes (incl peanuts/peanut butter)
All grains (incl rice, wheat, barley, corn, etc...)
All dairy and dairy products
All alcoholic beverages
Basically what you are left with is meat, some vegetables, and nuts
Primal is exactly the same, but dairy and (depends on the person) rice are removed from the evil foods list.
Strict paleo is by definition gluten free and usually low carb (unless you enjoy eating boatloads of sweet potatoes).
A lot of people on paleo tend to go to the place where they way undereat necessary calories and feel plenty full, depending on how that is handled it can lead into an ED trap (almost every orthorexic is either paleo or vegan (raw especailly)). Almost everyone on paleo will eventually have to try to figure out how to eat more calories.
I had to look up "orthorexia"! I had no idea what it meant. I can see how that could happen, but I don't see it happening to "a lot" of people who eat paleo style. Also, I like your definitions of paleo/primal, but I find that paleo is more of a template and is different for everyone. I find that for me, it's just the opposite and I even joke that my friends on MFP shouldn't expect to see that "SnicciFit has completed her diary and is under her calorie goal" very often, because I tend to eat a lot of calories (while losing body fat). It's different for everyone, but as long as the majority of my calories come from fat, I do very well. Others might do better on higher protein or higher carb...0 -
I've always seen primal and paleo used interchangeably. Can you explain the difference?
Dairy.
Paleo excludes:
All processed foods (whatever the definition of the day is for processed)
Potatoes and tomatoes
Beans and other leagumes (incl peanuts/peanut butter)
All grains (incl rice, wheat, barley, corn, etc...)
All dairy and dairy products
All alcoholic beverages
Basically what you are left with is meat, some vegetables, and nuts
Primal is exactly the same, but dairy and (depends on the person) rice are removed from the evil foods list.
Strict paleo is by definition gluten free and usually low carb (unless you enjoy eating boatloads of sweet potatoes).
A lot of people on paleo tend to go to the place where they way undereat necessary calories and feel plenty full, depending on how that is handled it can lead into an ED trap (almost every orthorexic is either paleo or vegan (raw especailly)). Almost everyone on paleo will eventually have to try to figure out how to eat more calories.
I had to look up "orthorexia"! I had no idea what it meant. I can see how that could happen, but I don't see it happening to "a lot" of people who eat paleo style. Also, I like your definitions of paleo/primal, but I find that paleo is more of a template and is different for everyone. I find that for me, it's just the opposite and I even joke that my friends on MFP shouldn't expect to see that "SnicciFit has completed her diary and is under her calorie goal" very often, because I tend to eat a lot of calories (while losing body fat). It's different for everyone, but as long as the majority of my calories come from fat, I do very well. Others might do better on higher protein or higher carb...
That was a bit of rant. Sorry. What I'm trying to say is, that paleo/primal can be what you make it. Try it out and see what works for you and what doesn't, and tweak it from there 0 -
I tried it, but found it was too restrictive. If you can do it, awesome, but you have to be really committed to it and it's a lifetime thing, not a quick fix.0
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visit marksdailyapple.com0
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Any diet that tells me I can not have certain foods is out for me. Restrictions lead to failure for most folks.0
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I did it for a long time, and it still do in large part now. I followed the 20% rule (allowing 20% of your intake to be "cheats") and did eat dairy. Personally, I found that I had more energy, felt better, slept better, my hair/skin improved and of course I dropped weight. It helped push me through a plateau and honestly improved my overall well-being.
That being said, it is challenging. But you get used to it really quickly. Like any diet, it takes some planning and foresight but it is not as imposing as it seems. Eating out -- just order meat or a salad. Every place has those. Have a big event or a craving? Plan your 20% for that (if you go that route). Grocery shopping is a breeze and my food bills actually decreased. Although the meat I was getting was more expensive, I wasn't buying 1/3 of the things I used to.
The key thing to note here is that this is not a low carb diet. You still eat the natural carbs in things like fruit and vegetables. It is no processed carbs or refined sugar (and sugar is really the big thing). Thant you eating proteins and the healthy fats. Fat keeps you full longer. Next time you are in the store compare the low fat yogurt to the regular yogurt. Usually the calorie difference is negligible. All you are doing is adding more chemicals to make up for the flavor lost when you cut the fat -- which typically means more sugar.
The way I explained it to people: your body runs on energy. You get that energy quickly from carbs and sugar, or you can get it by burning fat. Your body wants to take the easy route, and burns sugar and carbs first. Then it tells you you are hungry again. Back in "paleo day" you didnt have ready access to food so that didnt matter. But today we do. So people eat again and your body never gets to the point where its forced to burn fat (okay..never is an exaggeration but you get what i mean). When you cut those things out, your body readjusts and begins to burn fat first -- because thats the only energy source available.
Now -- YOU ARE LIKELY TO GET SICK AT FIRST. That is just your body adjusting to its new process and purging the stored chemicals. Don't give up! Most people do paleo as a 30 day challenge for a reason. It takes that long to adjust physically and to learn the lifestyle.
In short, give it a shot. After seeing how much different I felt, I will never go back to eating the way i used to. While I may not be strict on the 20% anymore, I still focus my diet choices on meat, veggies and fruit first. While I may indulge in a sandwich or pizza here and there, I almost never buy chips or anything in a box or bag. The way I feel without it is just too good! Feel free to message me with questions or if you want some resources!0 -
I've always seen primal and paleo used interchangeably. Can you explain the difference?
Dairy.
Paleo excludes:
All processed foods (whatever the definition of the day is for processed)
Potatoes and tomatoes
Beans and other leagumes (incl peanuts/peanut butter)
All grains (incl rice, wheat, barley, corn, etc...)
All dairy and dairy products
All alcoholic beverages
Basically what you are left with is meat, some vegetables, and nuts
Primal is exactly the same, but dairy and (depends on the person) rice are removed from the evil foods list.
Strict paleo is by definition gluten free and usually low carb (unless you enjoy eating boatloads of sweet potatoes).
A lot of people on paleo tend to go to the place where they way undereat necessary calories and feel plenty full, depending on how that is handled it can lead into an ED trap (almost every orthorexic is either paleo or vegan (raw especailly)). Almost everyone on paleo will eventually have to try to figure out how to eat more calories.
I had to look up "orthorexia"! I had no idea what it meant. I can see how that could happen, but I don't see it happening to "a lot" of people who eat paleo style. Also, I like your definitions of paleo/primal, but I find that paleo is more of a template and is different for everyone. I find that for me, it's just the opposite and I even joke that my friends on MFP shouldn't expect to see that "SnicciFit has completed her diary and is under her calorie goal" very often, because I tend to eat a lot of calories (while losing body fat). It's different for everyone, but as long as the majority of my calories come from fat, I do very well. Others might do better on higher protein or higher carb...
Orthorexia doesn't happen to a lot of paleo dieters, but having to add calories due to undereating is common though (an ED is but one branch of the road from that point). Some solve it with more cooking oil or nuts. Some do shots of cooking oil. Some do like bulkers do and eat when not hungry. Others go the wrong way with it and don't recognize the undereating symptoms. Either way, a pretty good % of strict paleo dieters have to be mindful to keep the calories up.0 -
I am currently eating paleo and I wasn't aware that tomatoes were on the 'avoid' list. I eat a ton of tomatoes!
I think Primal lets you add in other little bits of stuff, too, like the occasional red wine and dark chocolate.
It's actually easier than one would think to eat a Paleo or mostly Paleo diet and fit it into your lifestyle. I'm not saying I don't miss Diet Coke, popcorn, french bread (us SF peeps dig our sourdough), the occasional alcoholic drink (some folks say that tequila made from 100% agave is fine), and pancakes, but I have found other foods and meals that I love and don't feel deprived very often. Most restaurants have a couple of lean protein choices along with veggies and salads - with a little effort and some special attention to the menus, you can navigate eating out quite easily. All diets, in my opinion, benefit from a lot of planning and strategy - anticipate things like afternoon munchies, eating out, special events, etc so you can get through them easily...this is no different on Paleo than it is on weight watchers, Atkins, south Beach, whatever.
I think that after starting the plan and learning the ins and outs of it, most people tend to follow something similar to the 80/20 rule, which is a common thread to a lot of eating plans and helps make them sustainable over long periods of time. As long as you don't have any special dietary considerations that would make it preferable for you to avoid certain food groups all together, like Celiac's or lactose intolerance, you can tweak and adjust the plan to make it fit into your particular lifestyle.
My biggest piece of advice if you choose to explore Paleo is to not listen to all the negative Nellies out there that want to tell you how stupid it is. I'm pretty sure there weren't any cavemen who lived in an area where coffee beans, tea leaves, eggs, sweet potatoes, brussels sprouts, green beans, bok choy, coconuts, and almonds were completely abundant all year round. But as Dallas and Melissa Hartwig, creators of the Whole9 movement and Whole30 plan have said, "we are more interested in health than history." If you like the diet, it allows you to reach your goals without constantly being hungry, and it makes you happy, then good luck to you!0 -
I am currently eating paleo and I wasn't aware that tomatoes were on the 'avoid' list. I eat a ton of tomatoes!
This is what I mean by it being different for everyone. I consider my diet to be paleo (not 100%, that's impossible!), and I eat tomatoes. You can probably find a million different answers to "what is Paleo?". Basically, toss out the processed food, sugar and any carbs that aren't fruits or veggies. done. Oh yeah, and give up dairy for a month and then add it back in at your own risk... lol! Most people find that it makes them sick after they remove it for a while.0 -
I've always seen primal and paleo used interchangeably. Can you explain the difference?
Dairy.
Paleo excludes:
All processed foods (whatever the definition of the day is for processed)
Potatoes and tomatoes
Beans and other leagumes (incl peanuts/peanut butter)
All grains (incl rice, wheat, barley, corn, etc...)
All dairy and dairy products
All alcoholic beverages
Basically what you are left with is meat, some vegetables, and nuts
Primal is exactly the same, but dairy and (depends on the person) rice are removed from the evil foods list.
Strict paleo is by definition gluten free and usually low carb (unless you enjoy eating boatloads of sweet potatoes).
A lot of people on paleo tend to go to the place where they way undereat necessary calories and feel plenty full, depending on how that is handled it can lead into an ED trap (almost every orthorexic is either paleo or vegan (raw especailly)). Almost everyone on paleo will eventually have to try to figure out how to eat more calories.
I had to look up "orthorexia"! I had no idea what it meant. I can see how that could happen, but I don't see it happening to "a lot" of people who eat paleo style. Also, I like your definitions of paleo/primal, but I find that paleo is more of a template and is different for everyone. I find that for me, it's just the opposite and I even joke that my friends on MFP shouldn't expect to see that "SnicciFit has completed her diary and is under her calorie goal" very often, because I tend to eat a lot of calories (while losing body fat). It's different for everyone, but as long as the majority of my calories come from fat, I do very well. Others might do better on higher protein or higher carb...
That was a bit of rant. Sorry. What I'm trying to say is, that paleo/primal can be what you make it. Try it out and see what works for you and what doesn't, and tweak it from there
What about beans? Are beans banned in the "primal" WOE (way of eating)?0 -
I am currently eating paleo and I wasn't aware that tomatoes were on the 'avoid' list. I eat a ton of tomatoes!
This is what I mean by it being different for everyone. I consider my diet to be paleo (not 100%, that's impossible!), and I eat tomatoes. You can probably find a million different answers to "what is Paleo?". Basically, toss out the processed food, sugar and any carbs that aren't fruits or veggies. done. Oh yeah, and give up dairy for a month and then add it back in at your own risk... lol! Most people find that it makes them sick after they remove it for a while.
Tomatoes are a nightshade, same as white potatoes, eggplant, and peppers.
Nightshades are usually on the banned list for paleo.0 -
Yes. Another reason it wasn't sustainable for me.I've always seen primal and paleo used interchangeably. Can you explain the difference?
Dairy.
Paleo excludes:
All processed foods (whatever the definition of the day is for processed)
Potatoes and tomatoes
Beans and other leagumes (incl peanuts/peanut butter)
All grains (incl rice, wheat, barley, corn, etc...)
All dairy and dairy products
All alcoholic beverages
Basically what you are left with is meat, some vegetables, and nuts
Primal is exactly the same, but dairy and (depends on the person) rice are removed from the evil foods list.
Strict paleo is by definition gluten free and usually low carb (unless you enjoy eating boatloads of sweet potatoes).
A lot of people on paleo tend to go to the place where they way undereat necessary calories and feel plenty full, depending on how that is handled it can lead into an ED trap (almost every orthorexic is either paleo or vegan (raw especailly)). Almost everyone on paleo will eventually have to try to figure out how to eat more calories.
I had to look up "orthorexia"! I had no idea what it meant. I can see how that could happen, but I don't see it happening to "a lot" of people who eat paleo style. Also, I like your definitions of paleo/primal, but I find that paleo is more of a template and is different for everyone. I find that for me, it's just the opposite and I even joke that my friends on MFP shouldn't expect to see that "SnicciFit has completed her diary and is under her calorie goal" very often, because I tend to eat a lot of calories (while losing body fat). It's different for everyone, but as long as the majority of my calories come from fat, I do very well. Others might do better on higher protein or higher carb...
That was a bit of rant. Sorry. What I'm trying to say is, that paleo/primal can be what you make it. Try it out and see what works for you and what doesn't, and tweak it from there
What about beans? Are beans banned in the "primal" WOE (way of eating)?0 -
I am currently eating paleo and I wasn't aware that tomatoes were on the 'avoid' list. I eat a ton of tomatoes!
This is what I mean by it being different for everyone. I consider my diet to be paleo (not 100%, that's impossible!), and I eat tomatoes. You can probably find a million different answers to "what is Paleo?". Basically, toss out the processed food, sugar and any carbs that aren't fruits or veggies. done. Oh yeah, and give up dairy for a month and then add it back in at your own risk... lol! Most people find that it makes them sick after they remove it for a while.
Tomatoes are a nightshade, same as white potatoes, eggplant, and peppers.
Nightshades are usually on the banned list for paleo.
That's the first of heard of that. There is an Auto-immune protocol to the Whole30 that eliminates nightshades, but I've never heard of no nightshades on paleo. Again, you can find a million different versions of "paleo".0 -
That sounds like a misery inducing type of a life--no dairy (goodbye froyo, goodbye greek yogurt, cottage cheese, mozz, and all things delicious). Goodbye beans, pasta, bread, oatmeal, wraps, (popcorn?), and tofu. I don't know what I'd eat...fish, vegetables, and sweet potatoes I guess...oh and pistachios since other nuts make me itch.0
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For me I had to adopt this diet, or even really a diet that is more restrictive than this to keep sugars and starches to a minimum, and after the first 3 months I added some things back in. I still keep processed foods to an extreme minimum but I have found a whole new variety of things to eat and my body and my digestive system are LOVING me for it. I eat nothing out of a box, no white flour, and almost no added sugar. I say try it very seriously for the first couple of months then add things slowly back in and determine if at that point you even like it. Also, try some variety. It is amazing when you rid your body of the processed and sugary crap hoe amazing vegetables taste on their own.0
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Also, there are other options for pasta, my favorite being black bean spaghetti which is made from black beans and water. You can find creative ways to do the paleo diet.0
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That's not spaghetti. That's black beans made to look like spaghetti. Also, black beans aren't paleo.Also, there are other options for pasta, my favorite being black bean spaghetti which is made from black beans and water. You can find creative ways to do the paleo diet.0 -
That's not spaghetti. That's black beans made to look like spaghetti. Also, black beans aren't paleo.Also, there are other options for pasta, my favorite being black bean spaghetti which is made from black beans and water. You can find creative ways to do the paleo diet.
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bump. thinking about doing it too0
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