"Best" protein supplement?

slkehl

^maybe I just get overwhelmed from the up-front price. I have about $15 to spend on food week to week, so if I buy a thing of protein powder, I'm screwed. Although it does last a long time, so if I could save up, it would be a good investment.

Another positive of having a high protein diet allows me to eat lower carbs keeping that water weight off and keeping me fuller longer.

Agreed. High protein diets are great for weight loss.

Shock_Wave

^maybe I just get overwhelmed from the up-front price. I have about $15 to spend on food week to week, so if I buy a thing of protein powder, I'm screwed. Although it does last a long time, so if I could save up, it would be a good investment.

Another positive of having a high protein diet allows me to eat lower carbs keeping that water weight off and keeping me fuller longer.

Agreed. High protein diets are great for weight loss.

Have you read those studies?

Tarnopolsky et al. (1992) Evaluation of protein requirements for trained strength athletes.

High Protein-HP 2.40 g protein kg-1
Moderate Protein=MP 1.40 g protein kg-1
Low Protein=LP 0.86 g protein kg-1
whole body protein synthesis = WBPS

" methods were used to determine the dietary protein requirements of strength athletes (SA) compared with sedentary subjects (S)
For SA, the LP diet did not provide adequate protein and resulted in an accommodated state (decreased WBPS vs. MP and HP)
and the MP diet resulted in a state of adaptation [increase in WBPS (vs. LP) and no change in leucine oxidation (vs. LP)]. The HP diet did not result in increased WBPS compared with the MP diet, but leucine oxidation did increase significantly, indicating a nutrient overload
In summary, protein requirements for athletes performing strength training are greater than for sedentary individuals and are above current Canadian and US recommended daily protein intake requirements for young healthy males."


There's my proof using your studies ....Nuff said .

almonds1

Dang, the OP just wanted to know what type of Protein so buy... Just hit up any nutrition store other than GNC (rip) and ask for a suggestion...

Shock_Wave

Dang, the OP just wanted to know what type of Protein so buy... Just hit up any nutrition store other than GNC (rip) and ask for a suggestion...

Well I guess he will be more educated on the subject of protein while hes at it. Knowledge is power my friend.:drinker:

almonds1

Dang, the OP just wanted to know what type of Protein so buy... Just hit up any nutrition store other than GNC (rip) and ask for a suggestion...

Well I guess he will be more educated on the subject of protein while hes at it. Knowledge is power my friend.:drinker:

lol, true enough... I think now he is just confused haha

Shock_Wave

Dang, the OP just wanted to know what type of Protein so buy... Just hit up any nutrition store other than GNC (rip) and ask for a suggestion...

Well I guess he will be more educated on the subject of protein while hes at it. Knowledge is power my friend.:drinker:

lol, true enough... I think now he is just confused haha

lol :happy:

slkehl

^maybe I just get overwhelmed from the up-front price. I have about $15 to spend on food week to week, so if I buy a thing of protein powder, I'm screwed. Although it does last a long time, so if I could save up, it would be a good investment.

Another positive of having a high protein diet allows me to eat lower carbs keeping that water weight off and keeping me fuller longer.

Agreed. High protein diets are great for weight loss.

Have you read those studies?

Tarnopolsky et al. (1992) Evaluation of protein requirements for trained strength athletes.

High Protein-HP 2.40 g protein
Moderate Protein=MP 1.40 g protein
Low Protein=LP 0.86 g protein
whole body protein synthesis = WBPS

" methods were used to determine the dietary protein requirements of strength athletes (SA) compared with sedentary subjects (S)
For SA, the LP diet did not provide adequate protein and resulted in an accommodated state (decreased WBPS vs. MP and HP)
and the MP diet resulted in a state of adaptation [increase in WBPS (vs. LP) and no change in leucine oxidation (vs. LP)]. The HP diet did not result in increased WBPS compared with the MP diet, but leucine oxidation did increase significantly, indicating a nutrient overload
In summary, protein requirements for athletes performing strength training are greater than for sedentary individuals and are above current Canadian and US recommended daily protein intake requirements for young healthy males."


There's my proof using your studies ....Nuff said .

I will have to go back and read that one. I had thought that protein oxidation increased, but wbs and lbm stayed the same. I would agree that the protein requirements for athletes would be greater than those for sedentary folks, but it surprises me that strength athletes would be in an accommodation state with .86g/lb

Shock_Wave

^maybe I just get overwhelmed from the up-front price. I have about $15 to spend on food week to week, so if I buy a thing of protein powder, I'm screwed. Although it does last a long time, so if I could save up, it would be a good investment.

Another positive of having a high protein diet allows me to eat lower carbs keeping that water weight off and keeping me fuller longer.

Agreed. High protein diets are great for weight loss.

Have you read those studies?

Tarnopolsky et al. (1992) Evaluation of protein requirements for trained strength athletes.

High Protein-HP 2.40 g protein
Moderate Protein=MP 1.40 g protein
Low Protein=LP 0.86 g protein
whole body protein synthesis = WBPS

" methods were used to determine the dietary protein requirements of strength athletes (SA) compared with sedentary subjects (S)
For SA, the LP diet did not provide adequate protein and resulted in an accommodated state (decreased WBPS vs. MP and HP)
and the MP diet resulted in a state of adaptation [increase in WBPS (vs. LP) and no change in leucine oxidation (vs. LP)]. The HP diet did not result in increased WBPS compared with the MP diet, but leucine oxidation did increase significantly, indicating a nutrient overload
In summary, protein requirements for athletes performing strength training are greater than for sedentary individuals and are above current Canadian and US recommended daily protein intake requirements for young healthy males."


There's my proof using your studies ....Nuff said .

I will have to go back and read that one. I had thought that protein oxidation increased, but wbs and lbm stayed the same. I would agree that the protein requirements for athletes would be greater than those for sedentary folks, but it surprises me that strength athletes would be in an accommodation state with .86g/lb

That's because its .86 kg-1not lb-1

slkehl

Oh, that makes a lot more sense!

So HP is about 1, MP is 0.6, and LP is 0.4 g/lb. No wonder low protein resulted in an accommodated state! And it still says that MP and HP had no difference in whole body protein synthesis, if I am reading it correctly. I don't see how this contradicts anything that I've said about 1g/lb not being necessary.

Shock_Wave

Oh, that makes a lot more sense!

So HP is about 1, MP is 0.6, and LP is 0.39 g/lb (correct me if I'm wrong-math ain't my strong point). No wonder low protein resulted in an accommodated state! And it still says that MP and HP had no difference in whole body protein synthesis, if I am reading it correctly. I don't see how this contradicts anything that I've said about 1g/lb not being necessary.

LOL well that is an easy one.. Even though this study supports greater protein intake for strength athletes over sedentary consuming a higher protein intake between .63-1.09 per lb converted, it still has many flaws like I stated above such as the age of the people studied, calorie intake, height, weight, etc. So who's to say a really big muscular guys can or cannot synthesis more protein than some one smaller muscular guy, or a fatter novice one, or one who eats more or less calories per day.. etc. etc.. ?

AnahitaCanDoIt

While I have you all here, just a probably stupid question but...
I've boot camp (full on, not girly) outside on the beach in the freezing cold Irish winter three times a week. It's early so I wake up and drink a protein shake (100% whey, chocolate flavour Gold Standard) with coconut milk (not the one used for cooking, the Kara one w/ calcium added and no sugar) an hour before training. Would it be useful to drink one afterwards, too, as I know there is a magic window of time after training where I burn a lot fat but I don't get home in time to do that and would be driving for the time after training. Would it be worthwhile to take another shake with me and have that and water after training or would a protein source (hardboiled egg, chicken breast) be better?

I'm having trouble with the timing of food intake in general and I'm seeing ZERO movement on the scale. I'm 5'6", 43yrs old, female and was 215lbs and I'm now 159ish. I'd like to get down to 140ish but more about fitness and clothing size, so a US size 6. I'm on week four of 5x a week training (3x boot camp, 2x with a pt doing dynamic weight lifting and small bits of cardio but mostly weights)..and lost 8lbs the first week with the drastic change to my diet (eating paleo, no grains/bread/potatoes/pasta/rice or processed foods at all, lots of veg and protein, limited fruit 3L of water a day)...nothing since then!

Shock_Wave

While I have you all here, just a probably stupid question but...
I've boot camp (full on, not girly) outside on the beach in the freezing cold Irish winter three times a week. It's early so I wake up and drink a protein shake (100% whey, chocolate flavour Gold Standard) with coconut milk (not the one used for cooking, the Kara one w/ calcium added and no sugar) an hour before training. Would it be useful to drink one afterwards, too, as I know there is a magic window of time after training where I burn a lot fat but I don't get home in time to do that and would be driving for the time after training. Would it be worthwhile to take another shake with me and have that and water after training or would a protein source (hardboiled egg, chicken breast) be better?

I'm having trouble with the timing of food intake in general and I'm seeing ZERO movement on the scale. I'm 5'6", 43yrs old, female and was 215lbs and I'm now 159ish. I'd like to get down to 140ish but more about fitness and clothing size, so a US size 6. I'm on week four of 5x a week training (3x boot camp, 2x with a pt doing dynamic weight lifting and small bits of cardio but mostly weights)..and lost 8lbs the first week with the drastic change to my diet (eating paleo, no grains/bread/potatoes/pasta/rice or processed foods at all, lots of veg and protein, limited fruit 3L of water a day)...nothing since then!

Nicely saying I know we were rude and derailed OP thread for this semi off topic protein discussion but I suggest you should start your own thread. :drinker: :flowerforyou:

tigersword

There is no "magic window." That's a myth, just hit your daily nutrient and calorie goals.

slkehl

Oh, that makes a lot more sense!

So HP is about 1, MP is 0.6, and LP is 0.39 g/lb (correct me if I'm wrong-math ain't my strong point). No wonder low protein resulted in an accommodated state! And it still says that MP and HP had no difference in whole body protein synthesis, if I am reading it correctly. I don't see how this contradicts anything that I've said about 1g/lb not being necessary.

LOL well that is an easy one.. Even though this study supports greater protein intake for strength athletes between .63-1.09 per lb converted, it still has many flaws like I stated above such as the age of the people studied, calorie intake, height, weight, etc. So who's to say a really big muscular guys can or cannot synthesis more protein than some one smaller or fatter or one who eat more or less calories per day.. etc. etc..They might require more protein the the "MP" as this study was not thorough.

Well, no study is going to perfectly match the American population. I would call the "flaws" limitations that don't negate the results, but provide further support the rest of the studies, which, together, have a definite trend. And I'm sure people are different levels of protein synthesis depending on their body composition, but that doesn't mean they have to go out and buy protein supplements or eat insane amounts of protein packed food. These guys were strength athletes and didn't have to do that.

slkehl

Nicely saying I know we were rude and derailed OP thread for this semi off topic protein discussion but I suggest you should start your own thread. :drinker: :flowerforyou:

Yeah haha, sorry OP!

Shock_Wave

Oh, that makes a lot more sense!

So HP is about 1, MP is 0.6, and LP is 0.39 g/lb (correct me if I'm wrong-math ain't my strong point). No wonder low protein resulted in an accommodated state! And it still says that MP and HP had no difference in whole body protein synthesis, if I am reading it correctly. I don't see how this contradicts anything that I've said about 1g/lb not being necessary.

LOL well that is an easy one.. Even though this study supports greater protein intake for strength athletes between .63-1.09 per lb converted, it still has many flaws like I stated above such as the age of the people studied, calorie intake, height, weight, etc. So who's to say a really big muscular guys can or cannot synthesis more protein than some one smaller or fatter or one who eat more or less calories per day.. etc. etc..They might require more protein the the "MP" as this study was not thorough.

Well, no study is going to perfectly match the American population. I would call the "flaws" limitations that don't negate the results, but provide further support the rest of the studies, which, together, have a definite trend. And I'm sure people are different levels of protein synthesis depending on their body composition, but that doesn't mean they have to go out and buy protein supplements or eat insane amounts of protein packed food. These guys were strength athletes and didn't have to do that.

Well then you cannot say then for a fact that eating 1g of protein per lb is a myth as a 6'4 250lb guy might absorb more protein than a 5'5 180lb strength athlete. Also they never stated what the strength althetes ate for protein for all we know it may have been nothing but protein supplement shake/s.. But if they didn't take protein shake/s then they would have but no choice but to eat an insane amount of protein packed food for the high intake of protein especially if they were over 200+lbs...right? :drinker:

AnahitaCanDoIt

While I have you all here, just a probably stupid question but...
I've boot camp (full on, not girly) outside on the beach in the freezing cold Irish winter three times a week. It's early so I wake up and drink a protein shake (100% whey, chocolate flavour Gold Standard) with coconut milk (not the one used for cooking, the Kara one w/ calcium added and no sugar) an hour before training. Would it be useful to drink one afterwards, too, as I know there is a magic window of time after training where I burn a lot fat but I don't get home in time to do that and would be driving for the time after training. Would it be worthwhile to take another shake with me and have that and water after training or would a protein source (hardboiled egg, chicken breast) be better?

I'm having trouble with the timing of food intake in general and I'm seeing ZERO movement on the scale. I'm 5'6", 43yrs old, female and was 215lbs and I'm now 159ish. I'd like to get down to 140ish but more about fitness and clothing size, so a US size 6. I'm on week four of 5x a week training (3x boot camp, 2x with a pt doing dynamic weight lifting and small bits of cardio but mostly weights)..and lost 8lbs the first week with the drastic change to my diet (eating paleo, no grains/bread/potatoes/pasta/rice or processed foods at all, lots of veg and protein, limited fruit 3L of water a day)...nothing since then!

Nicely saying I know we were rude and derailed OP thread for this semi off topic protein discussion but I suggest you should start your own thread. :drinker: :flowerforyou:

You're right! How rude of me! Sorry OP and other protein shake people!

Shock_Wave

OP all these flavors are all BOMB *kitten* good for tasty delicious protein they are 10 out of 10 no doubt

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slkehl

Oh, that makes a lot more sense!

So HP is about 1, MP is 0.6, and LP is 0.39 g/lb (correct me if I'm wrong-math ain't my strong point). No wonder low protein resulted in an accommodated state! And it still says that MP and HP had no difference in whole body protein synthesis, if I am reading it correctly. I don't see how this contradicts anything that I've said about 1g/lb not being necessary.

LOL well that is an easy one.. Even though this study supports greater protein intake for strength athletes between .63-1.09 per lb converted, it still has many flaws like I stated above such as the age of the people studied, calorie intake, height, weight, etc. So who's to say a really big muscular guys can or cannot synthesis more protein than some one smaller or fatter or one who eat more or less calories per day.. etc. etc..They might require more protein the the "MP" as this study was not thorough.

Well, no study is going to perfectly match the American population. I would call the "flaws" limitations that don't negate the results, but provide further support the rest of the studies, which, together, have a definite trend. And I'm sure people are different levels of protein synthesis depending on their body composition, but that doesn't mean they have to go out and buy protein supplements or eat insane amounts of protein packed food. These guys were strength athletes and didn't have to do that.

Well then you cannot say then for a fact that eating 1g of protein per lb is a myth as a 6'4 250lb guy might absorb more protein than a 5'5 180lb strength athlete. Also they never stated what the strength althetes ate for protein for all we know it may have been nothing but protein supplement shakes.. :drinker:

They did say what the strength athletes ate in the study-it's in the second section. And based on scientific method, everything is only theory. You can't prove anything right, you can only prove it wrong. However, if everything points in a certain direction, it's a good chance that there's some truth to it.

I would still like to see a study in which 1g/lb is considered optimal. Rather than having these studies discredited because of limitations common to all studies.

Matt_Wild

Protein is pretty much protein, not much in them. Find a brand you like and stick with it.