Fat, sick and nearly dead
chism21
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have anyone try the regime presented in the documentary "Fat, sick and nearly dead"
Meaning 60 days, not eating anything solid but vegetable and fruit juice?
Meaning 60 days, not eating anything solid but vegetable and fruit juice?
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I would say check with your Dr. and a nutritionist. Then I would say, it's a marathon not a sprint. Go for a lifestyle chanage of healthy diet and execise. Those super quick diets never worked for me in the long run.0
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I do not see how you would get all of your protein out of this diet. I agree with the previous response that there is no way you could continue this type of diet forever. You might lose some but as soon as you get off the pounds will pack on. What a waste of time & energy!0
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If you lose to fast then you are more likely to re gain so it is pointless these people that lose super slow will have a harder less likely chance to gain back. And I think that is what this is all about is the life style that follows the weight loss. So I wouldn't do it
Also the nearly dead in the title would make me run away just saying0 -
Yeah not all that is because the guy who did the documentary just had a heart attackIf you lose to fast then you are more likely to re gain so it is pointless these people that lose super slow will have a harder less likely chance to gain back. And I think that is what this is all about is the life style that follows the weight loss. So I wouldn't do it
Also the nearly dead in the title would make me run away just saying0 -
I am on day 9 now. I don't know how long I will go with it but I will go till I get the last 7 pounds off of me (I have been stagnant for months and months and juicing is making the weight shift yay). I really am loving the way I feel and plan to incorporate juice into my weekly lifestyle and incorporate IF withthe juicing. It makes me feel fantastic and this is not temporary for me as I plan to use it as a tool in the future too. I do believe this is a healthy lifestyle as long as you don't see it as a quick fix and look at it as a way to improve your health and well being. It is all about how you look at things.0
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I would be cautious of ANYTHING that promoted a liquid diet. Your body NEEDS solid foods, or rather, your digestive system does. Plus, it all depends on HOW you are juicing - if you are removing the skin beofre juicing then you are also removing a lot of the nutrients and in particular fibre.
Why live on fluid? Why not enjoy food as it is? What happens if you want to go out for a meal with friends? Do you ask the chef to juice the food?0 -
I would be cautious of ANYTHING that promoted a liquid diet. Your body NEEDS solid foods, or rather, your digestive system does. Plus, it all depends on HOW you are juicing - if you are removing the skin beofre juicing then you are also removing a lot of the nutrients and in particular fibre.
Why live on fluid? Why not enjoy food as it is? What happens if you want to go out for a meal with friends? Do you ask the chef to juice the food?
you don't go out while you are juicing, people don't live like this forever, or you just enjoy a cup of tea or water. Please, do your research before you speak. Your body doesn't distinguish between juice and solid food, you chew up solid food before you swallow it and it all goes through the digestive system the same way. This is not as unhealthy as you make it out to be, eating fast greesy fried food is waaaay more unhealthy then extracting the vitamins and minerals from fruit and veggies so your body can absorb them better. I think most people against this either think it is starving (which is it most definitely not!! you should see how many fruits and veggies I juice daily) or are jealous because they don't believe they can do it themselves. If it is for health, and not a quick fix (at least it is for me anyway), it can be a very poweful and useful tool to be used in your daily life even when you are not only juicing. I can't say the same about eating crappy fast food while losing weight.0 -
I really enjoyed and found the movie interesting on this, and I'm sure it works for some people who have that type of iron discipline and can get themselves off animal protein, but I personally thrive on eating solid food and I like to eat a lot of fruits, veggies and lean meats. I have maintained an over 25lb loss since August-September.
I have not seen the movie in a while so I can't remember what he says about fiber but for me eating protein and fiber are essential, and I like tasting the food.
I think what he did in the movie is amazing but to me it always struck me as an extreme solution.
You'll get lots of diff opinions on this one... good luck if you do it! I have a hard time picturing how one would have enough energy for work outs and exercise that also go a long way towards health, but it certainly seemed to work for the guy in the movie.0 -
I would be cautious of ANYTHING that promoted a liquid diet. Your body NEEDS solid foods, or rather, your digestive system does. Plus, it all depends on HOW you are juicing - if you are removing the skin beofre juicing then you are also removing a lot of the nutrients and in particular fibre.
Why live on fluid? Why not enjoy food as it is? What happens if you want to go out for a meal with friends? Do you ask the chef to juice the food?
you don't go out while you are juicing, people don't live like this forever, or you just enjoy a cup of tea or water. Please, do your research before you speak. Your body doesn't distinguish between juice and solid food, you chew up solid food before you swallow it and it all goes through the digestive system the same way. This is not as unhealthy as you make it out to be, eating fast greesy fried food is waaaay more unhealthy then extracting the vitamins and minerals from fruit and veggies so your body can absorb them better. I think most people against this either think it is starving (which is it most definitely not!! you should see how many fruits and veggies I juice daily) or are jealous because they don't believe they can do it themselves. If it is for health, and not a quick fix (at least it is for me anyway), it can be a very poweful and useful tool to be used in your daily life even when you are not only juicing. I can't say the same about eating crappy fast food while losing weight.
fair enough, it's not forever, but 60 days is a LONG time, and why put yourself through that sort of regimen? I don't advocate eating greasy fast food but you can go out and eat and have good quality beautiful food that forms part of a healthy diet.
My issue with 'extracting vitamins and minerals' from fruit and veggies is that no one really knows how micronutrients interact. for instance I believe that studies have shown tomatoes interact with live oil in a way that allows better absorbtion of the nutrients than just eating a tomato. The Italians found that out by taste.
I enjoy food. I enjoy plenty of vegetables in their natural state, some protein etc. I like the colour of food when it is presented nicely on a plate, I like to taste the different flavours. I haven't been in a fast food restaurant for fifteen years and then it was probably only to use the toilet.
Yes, your digestive system processes food that is in a broken down state. But it gets broken down by chewing, and whilst chewing you produce saliva which begins the digestive process in the mouth. The process of chewing also starts the process of prooducing digestive bacteria in the gut. I DO think we should take more of our foods combined with liquid in the form of suops, but in the way that the chinese do, which is more of a consomme than a pulverised liquid.
I'm far more in favour of a lifestyle change that allows you to ENJOY life rather than develop what can turn into an unhealthy relationship with food.0 -
my point is that it can easily be worked into a very healthy lifestyle even if you never ONLY juice. I feel great and am letting my body dictate how healthy this is for me. Extracting the vitamins and minerals in their purest form only helps them absorb quicker and better into your system. Not to mention it promotes eating fruits and veggies afterwards. I can't tell you how many food diaries( of my friends) I read that have one or maybe even no fruits and veggies in them whatsoever. A lifestyle change means incorporating foods like veggies and fruits, and lots of them into the daily food intake. No, tomato sauce on pizza doesn't count!! What juicing does is introduce all these foods into your life and help you make the change from eating crap. How can that be a bad thing if done properly?? No one juices only forever, this is a healthy tool and that is all.0
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To live on juice for 60 days! I think you would have to put me on a island with no one else on it!
And even then I think I would be able to find a way to go nuclear on the people within a 100 mile radius
I love food and I love it solid, so for me this would be an absolute no go, but to each their own and really maybe a short time will help you to get your system restarted or something.
But I also agree, for loosing a lot of weight, better look for a healthier solution, that includes eating solid food, because honestly there will be a day when you have to do this again and ending up in a hospital because your colon cannot handle it would be sad.0 -
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unless you don't mind losing a LARGE amount of muscle mass0 -
my point is that it can easily be worked into a very healthy lifestyle even if you never ONLY juice. I feel great and am letting my body dictate how healthy this is for me. Extracting the vitamins and minerals in their purest form only helps them absorb quicker and better into your system. Not to mention it promotes eating fruits and veggies afterwards. I can't tell you how many food diaries( of my friends) I read that have one or maybe even no fruits and veggies in them whatsoever. A lifestyle change means incorporating foods like veggies and fruits, and lots of them into the daily food intake. No, tomato sauce on pizza doesn't count!! What juicing does is introduce all these foods into your life and help you make the change from eating crap. How can that be a bad thing if done properly?? No one juices only forever, this is a healthy tool and that is all.
your body needs fat from your diet. some micronutrients are only fat soluble. if you only eat fruits and vegetables, are you getting enough fat in your diet?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/314612-what-are-the-dangers-of-a-fat-free-diet/0 -
no
unless you don't mind losing a LARGE amount of muscle mass
This. And you should NEVER make a dietary change this radical without the supervision of a doctor.
As argued, it may be better than eating fried, greasy foods all the time, but that's assuming the only two options are eating crap or living off of juice. An even BETTER option is to learn good and sustainable eating habits.0 -
You can`t live like that for so long .... I love eating and I think I would not last a day having just juice for lunch
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Yea, except like someone else said, as soon as you go back to normal food - you're going to lose weight..... so to the person trying to get that last 7lbs off - you're wasting your time with this. it'll come back and then some.... just do it right, eat well rounded. Your body needs protein and there's very limited protein in fruits & veggies.0
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As I remember it juicing bacon wasn't part of the deal so it loses some appeal for me.
I did enjoy the way he inspired others though.0 -
I don't know anything about the 'Fat, sick, and nearly dead' documentary, but I agree with some who have posted. It is better to lose the weight slowly. I have lost 35 lbs over the last year. That being said there have been a number of times in the last year when I wasn't active with my nutrition and exercise but even with fluctuations in my diet and exercise I managed to maintain or at least minimize the weight gain until I started again. If you are going to use an intense 60 day (any challenge not just this documentary) like some others have said be sure that you are using it as a tool to help incorporate into a healthy long term lifestyle. Hope I am not sounding preachy I just wanted to share what I have learned. 0
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Oh, so you tried it? Thanks for enlightening us with your personal experience.I do not see how you would get all of your protein out of this diet. I agree with the previous response that there is no way you could continue this type of diet forever. You might lose some but as soon as you get off the pounds will pack on. What a waste of time & energy!0 -
I tried one of the hybrid programs on their site for a month over the summer and I lost weight, felt an increase in energy, and enjoyed eating vegetable snacks with a main meal during the day. After about two weeks I was sick and tired of drinking veggie juice, though. Much more enjoy eating the whole food to juicing it.0
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I thought that was an awesome show and although I haven't done it, I wouldn't mind trying for a few days at least. Like he says in the show, when you juice the fruit and vegies you can eat so much more than what you would in its natural state, so it was really concentrated. I wouldn't normally even think of doing anything like this, but after watching the movie it makes sense to me and like someone else said, you are getting the food in and to do that normally you chew it to mush before you swallow it, so apart from your body getting way more than if you were just eating it, what is the difference?
He didn't do it as a quick weight loss thing, he did it because of a disease he has and he didn't want to be that sick for the rest of his life. In his world 60 days eating his food in juice form couldn't be any worse than the pain and discomfort of the disease he has and as it turned out, he got himself off a heap of medication, started exercising and getting healthy during the journey.
Watch the movie before you knock it and then have your say.0 -
Link? I couldn't find any info on him having a heart attack through google.Yeah not all that is because the guy who did the documentary just had a heart attack0 -
Oh, so you tried it? Thanks for enlightening us with your personal experience.I do not see how you would get all of your protein out of this diet. I agree with the previous response that there is no way you could continue this type of diet forever. You might lose some but as soon as you get off the pounds will pack on. What a waste of time & energy!
I haven't tried an all gravy diet either but I know an all veggie juice diet is a sure weigh to lose a whole lot of muscle mass0 -
And what do you do after day 60 ;-)0
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Unless your going to eat that way for the rest of your life, DON'T do these fad diets, juicing, shakes(with the exception of protein shakes), pills, cutting out whole food groups like fat, sugar, carbs, protein,...etc etc now.
This is about a lifestyle change not a band aid. Only participate in long term plans. If you don't learn how to eat now, what the heck makes you think you will be able to do it later? Unless your going to not eat a piece of cake for the rest of your life, eat it now. Eat it in moderation.
Exercise your A@$ off.
Use your TDEE as your diary and create a deficit from that. (it makes it easier to see how "in the green" you are at the end of the week). A calorie is never just a calorie but the general rule of thumb is you need a deficit of 3500 calories to lose a pound of fat.
Eat cleaner. Allow yourself a little time off as to not deprive yourself from fatty or sugary food so bad that you end binging. I allow myself 1 dinner out to eat and a dessert once a week no matter what the calories are.
Again. Don't juice. Everyone I have know that has juiced put the weight back on, even more than they actually started with. sigh
There is NO EASY WAY. Work your butt off0 -
Please, don't take so hard!
These kinds of diet are too much abrupt, people usually don't stand for long with it.
It's much better search for a professional orientation and make some diet that you can continue for long time, controling your calories and getting healthy eating habits.
Anyway, feel free to add me
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Do you think you could last 60 days on this regimen because I would get bored with it and oh yeah I love food. What happens at the end of the "diet" when you start eating normally again? More than likely gain the weight you lost back and maybe some more.
I've lost 100lbs in a year and trust me I eat. Main thing is controlling your calories and learning healthy eating habits instead of overrating and overindulging.
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Maybe your just *kitten**n awesome!Do you think you could last 60 days on this regimen because I would get bored with it and oh yeah I love food. What happens at the end of the "diet" when you start eating normally again? More than likely gain the weight you lost back and maybe some more.
I've lost 100lbs in a year and trust me I eat. Main thing is controlling your calories and learning healthy eating habits instead of overrating and overindulging. 0 -
^This
Maybe your just *kitten**n awesome!Do you think you could last 60 days on this regimen because I would get bored with it and oh yeah I love food. What happens at the end of the "diet" when you start eating normally again? More than likely gain the weight you lost back and maybe some more.
I've lost 100lbs in a year and trust me I eat. Main thing is controlling your calories and learning healthy eating habits instead of overrating and overindulging.0 -
^This
Maybe your just *kitten**n awesome!Do you think you could last 60 days on this regimen because I would get bored with it and oh yeah I love food. What happens at the end of the "diet" when you start eating normally again? More than likely gain the weight you lost back and maybe some more.
I've lost 100lbs in a year and trust me I eat. Main thing is controlling your calories and learning healthy eating habits instead of overrating and overindulging.
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