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The poshness of our prisons are vastly over-rated. Medical issues in prisons are terrible - broken bones, abscessed teeth, etc can go for months without treatment because of the wish to punish our prisoners. There is also the excessive prisoner-on-prisoner violence to contend with.
If prison sounds like anyone's idea of a good "free-ride", then that someone needs a reality check. Life on the outside is much better.
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Seriously?
Now, I agree that life outside is better, but the rest of that is absolutely untrue. (At least in the US.)
Yes, seriously. If all this is available, then why in the world would someone choose not to live there? Also, poor medical care does run rampant in prisons (many people feel prisoners don't deserve it, so public opinion sways the programs and availability). And no sane person can deny prisoner violence. I assume you won't.0 -
Stop defending convicted felons people. They deserve basic human rights but nothing more. They don't deserve so much that they recieve. I work there, i see it, i know.
I argee, and what every fails to see is they're there for MURDER, for raping innocent people and CHILDREN, and for other violent crimes. Eye for an eye should be practiced more, death penalty should be brought back! Maybe if they did it like the old days less people would commit such violent crimes b/c of the punishment they will receive.
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My point, my entire point is this. It has gotten to a point where there is no reason for so many people to not want to be in prison. I never said that they should not be given there basic human rights. Only that it has gone so far beyond that now and inmates are being pampered at our expense. The cost of corrections in my state is over 70% of the state budget. It does not have to cost so much. (and p.s.............for thos that want to know i work in a super max prison that houses medium, high, and death row inmates. There is also a co-located minimum facility on our grounds.)0 -
Stop defending convicted felons people. They deserve basic human rights but nothing more. They don't deserve so much that they recieve. I work there, i see it, i know.
I argee, and what every fails to see is they're there for MURDER, for raping innocent people and CHILDREN, and for other violent crimes. Eye for an eye should be practiced more, death penalty should be brought back! Maybe if they did it like the old days less people would commit such violent crimes b/c of the punishment they will receive.
Eh, sure. And when that eye for an eye hits you or someone you love (husband in a car wreck that accidently kills someone, perhaps? Or any number of things that could hit your tiny circle of life?) you can come on MFP and be hysterical about how he's going to be put to death.
An eye for an eye leaves little room for context. Supporting a system like that would only leave everyone blind.
You obviously haven't had anything happen to you or live in a bubble. My cousin was stabbed to death 37 times infront of her 2 small children by her husband at the time. He went to jail and the children actually got placed with HIS family. He than hung himself in jail and took the easy way out. He was sentenced to less than 10 yrs. And the children were allowed to go to his funeral by not their mother's funeral. So it's ok that this *kitten* piece of **** got to go get the privalges in jail while these innocent children will live with this for life? So if he didn't hang himself he should be allowed a tv? medical? schooling? and everything else??? I think not.0 -
The poshness of our prisons are vastly over-rated. Medical issues in prisons are terrible - broken bones, abscessed teeth, etc can go for months without treatment because of the wish to punish our prisoners. There is also the excessive prisoner-on-prisoner violence to contend with.
If prison sounds like anyone's idea of a good "free-ride", then that someone needs a reality check. Life on the outside is much better.
LMAO
Seriously?
Now, I agree that life outside is better, but the rest of that is absolutely untrue. (At least in the US.)
Yes, seriously. If all this is available, then why in the world would someone choose not to live there? Also, poor medical care does run rampant in prisons (many people feel prisoners don't deserve it, so public opinion sways the programs and availability). And no sane person can deny prisoner violence. I assume you won't.
There is several homeless people who do crimes during the winter to get places in jail on purpose b/c they state "it's getting cold outside". Go to a shelter etc0 -
The poshness of our prisons are vastly over-rated. Medical issues in prisons are terrible - broken bones, abscessed teeth, etc can go for months without treatment because of the wish to punish our prisoners. There is also the excessive prisoner-on-prisoner violence to contend with.
If prison sounds like anyone's idea of a good "free-ride", then that someone needs a reality check. Life on the outside is much better.
LMAO
Seriously?
Now, I agree that life outside is better, but the rest of that is absolutely untrue. (At least in the US.)
Yes, seriously. If all this is available, then why in the world would someone choose not to live there?
If broken bones and abscessed teeth are available in prison, why would someone choose not to live there? Well, because who wants broken bones and abscessed teeth?
What you describe as medical treatment in prisons is completely untrue -- in the US. I don't know about other countries. Your use of the word "posh" leads me to believe (and I haven't checked your profile) that you are British. I don't know what British prisons are like.
However, my father has worked in a maximum security prison for 32 years, I grew up in a town with two prisons (aforementioned maximum security prison and a super max prison). Most everyone who lived there worked in or with the prisons. A friend of mine has been a guard in a maximum security prison in another state for many, many, many years. My cousin is a police officer.
Those are just a few examples.
I do know a bit about what goes on behind those walls and your analysis is incorrect. I'm not going to claim that all prisoners receive a Club Med lifestyle and they have the other prisoners and lack of freedom to deal with. But they are not mistreated by the State.
And for the record, New York state allows individual televisions in cells in maximum security prisons. I don't know about other states.0 -
You obviously haven't had anything happen to you or live in a bubble. My cousin was stabbed to death 37 times infront of her 2 small children by her husband at the time. He went to jail and the children actually got placed with HIS family. He than hung himself in jail and took the easy way out. He was sentenced to less than 10 yrs. And the children were allowed to go to his funeral by not their mother's funeral. So it's ok that this *kitten* piece of **** got to go get the privalges in jail while these innocent children will live with this for life? So if he didn't hang himself he should be allowed a tv? medical? schooling? and everything else??? I think not.
Oi contraire, my lovely, it's been a far from sheltered life. I could message you my online journal link and you could cruise through the entries if you'd like. Safe to say that violence, physical, sexual, and mental had been a part of my life from toddler-hood onto my adult years.
There is one man whom, when he dies, I will celebrate. I will go out to dinner. And likely the only reason I would attend his funeral is so I could spit on his grave. I understand rage, grief, and wanting revenge.
It's not my place to seek it. He will die and that is as close of a revenge as I can ask for. Anymore and I would make myself as reprehensible as he was.
Recognizing and feeling those feelings is important. It's part of the grieving process. They will never go away. But acting on them - even through the actions of another (such a prison system where he would be grievously harmed) - won't change anything. I'd like him to go to jail. I would LIKE him to be treated badly in jail. I am learning how to be okay with him not being treated so.
Justice wouldn't be served. Only revenge.0 -
Someone abused you terribly as a child and you want him to be free to do that to someone else because bad things happen to people in prison? Really?Recognizing and feeling those feelings is important. It's part of the grieving process. They will never go away. But acting on them - even through the actions of another (such a prison system where he would be grievously harmed) - won't change anything. I'd like him to go to jail. I would LIKE him to be treated badly in jail. I am learning how to be okay with him not being treated so.
Justice wouldn't be served. Only revenge.
It's not as if people who commit crimes don't know that they could end up in prison and what that means. You choose your actions and the consequences of those actions. If you don't want to go to prison, don't commit a crime. It's pretty simple.0 -
Perhaps we should have just let Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer keep running free and killing people? I mean, it was just revenge locking them up and keeping society safe from them. How awful of us.0
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Someone abused you terribly as a child and you want him to be free to do that to someone else because bad things happen to people in prison? Really?
It's not as if people who commit crimes don't know that they could end up in prison and what that means. You choose your actions and the consequences of those actions. If you don't want to go to prison, don't commit a crime. It's pretty simple.
Of course I don't want him to be free. The statue of limitations has long since passed. I have no choice in the matter. As a teenager, I was able to fight him in court enough to get him labeled as a sex offender. He can no longer work in schools. I was unable to do anymore. I would very much like him in prison. I would not like him mistreated in prison. Not for love of him, nor even love of **humanity**. Merely for my own sense of humanity.
I am not advocating that we abolish prisons. I am not advocating that we abolish the death penalty. I am stating that both need to be taken under careful consideration.
To the woman whose story I quoted - I want to say that I don't want to diminish your story. It is valid and powerful. We are in different places. I am sorry to hear that you and your family had to live through that.0 -
I repeat: Prisons are not as terrible as you seem to think they are. I don't know where you're getting your information, but I'm pretty secure that my sources are correct.
I'm very sorry you were harmed and even sorrier that you can't put the guy away. He does deserve it. You don't have to wish harm to him, but it's not like people don't know that committing crimes leads to being put in prison and that prison is not a pleasant place to be.
Once again, you choose the consequences when you choose your actions. He chose his actions. It's a shame he didn't have to pay for them.0 -
I repeat: Prisons are not as terrible as you seem to think they are. I don't know where you're getting your information, but I'm pretty secure that my sources are correct.
I'm very sorry you were harmed and even sorrier that you can't put the guy away. He does deserve it. You don't have to wish harm to him, but it's not like people don't know that committing crimes leads to being put in prison and that prison is not a pleasant place to be.
Once again, you choose the consequences when you choose your actions. He chose his actions. It's a shame he didn't have to pay for them.
Prisons are more terrible than living on the outside - as they should be. There are simply too many cases of it being too terrible to comfort me is all.
It is a damn shame he never had to pay for it. Death will equal that out. It does so for all of our transgressions.
I think I'll be repeating myself if I keep talking. I should probably step out of the thread now. (Ha, now let's see if I can actually do it!)0 -
My dad has lived in jails off and on for almost a decade now and served a consecutive 7yr sentence. I know that prisons and jails are different, but I'd imagine that prisons are worse than jails. What I saw and heard of the environment were fairly dismal, especially on a mental/emotional level. They had a single television in the entire place, but they were also given more freedom than I thought. (And, occasionally, it even seemed like they were treated like people.) You put people in a place like that and treat them not just like a criminal but as a bad person, and they begin to believe that they are bad people. In the case of my father, as someone has already mentioned, he has admitted that he would rather live there than "on the outside" because he does not know how to live a normal life. When he's "out," all he wants to do is find his next fix, get into trouble, or try to kill himself. On top of his addiction, he is mentally ill. While I don't think he deserves to be "locked up," I do believe that whatever treatment he gets while in jail is better for him than the world can provide. I'm pretty sure they provide his psych meds since he is usually on suicide watch. It's pretty sad that a jail can be a better option for some people.
Edited to say that he is a convicted felon, yet I'm pretty sure that he was in jail, not prison. The Louisiana justice system is separate from the rest of the U.S.'s, so they do whatever they want down there.0 -
You obviously have not been in a prison in a while
Actually, the experience I wrote about was fairly recent, and I sincerely doubt conditions have gotten better in TN, and from posts of others with recent knowledge, conditions are pretty dismal in a lot of other states. What you don't seem to be able to comprehend is that while prisoners may live the high life in your state, your little sliver of the world does not equal the universal experience.
I'm certainly not saying that baby rapers and murderers deserve all kinds of perks and spa living (let's be clear, they don't) - what many of us are saying is that's not how it is everywhere, and maybe you should become better informed. So, like I said, if you don't like the conditions in your particular system, you can do something constructive to get them changed and reformed, or you can piss and moan and whine on the internet... which doesn't change anything but speaks volumes...0 -
Edited to say that he is a convicted felon, yet I'm pretty sure that he was in jail, not prison. The Louisiana justice system is separate from the rest of the U.S.'s, so they do whatever they want down there.
Some felonies are more severe than others (illegal drug possession as opposed to cold-blooded murder, for example) so sometimes a felon will serve time in a county jail rather than a prison. Plus there are levels of prison -- from low-security to super maximum security.0 -
The only way prison really works is to keep criminals out of circulation and from committing crimes with the general population as victims. It isn't really rehabilitative (except with people who were looking to sort themselves out anyway). It's possible it could be if it was done differently, it's a relatively recent human institution, so it's still being worked on.
The punishment aspect can also make some people, either victims or other members of society, feel a bit better. But not everyone feels like that.
Some people are good at working any system- prison, employer, school, family. Those people will always manage to get more out than they put in.
But what's the alternative? Cut of people's hands for stealing, stone them for sex offences, return to giving 40 lashes for some offences?
What I really don't get is the thinking that a better society will come from spending less and less on it. It's like anything else, you get what you pay for. That's no reason to let yourself be ripped off, but the less is spent on the infrastructure of society, the more atagonistic, hostile and lawless everyday life will be.0 -
I already mentioned why overtime is "forced". But really his chances of getting stabbed and killed by an inmate (which I don't say can't happen) are much lower than a Marine in Afghanistan getting killed. And what does a serviceman make? A lot less than $37,000 a year.
It would be cheaper if the system also wasn't abused. Prison guards make a pretty good salary (nothing against that), but when they do "overtime" and get paid time and a half....................................................I have LOTS of friends who are CO's and they live very well.It could be a lot cheaper if people really knew what they are paying for. Do people realize that their tax dollars are paying for free cable and Yoga lessons? Free soda pop at lunch and family BBQ nights. Prison really is pathetic.
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My bf is a CO and by the time he pays his medical, his penson, union dues, taxes etc he is bringing home $37,000 a year. That is not a nice salary for someone who can get stabbed at anytime and killed. And NJ took away all their step raises. So he should be making $12,000 more a year right now and instead he received a 2% raise on $44,000.....oh but with that raise your medical and pension payments go up. So there basically is no raise. AND the overtime is forced, he doesn't want to be there any longer than he has to. For instance he will be working today, a double tomorrow, and again tomorrow night and will possibly be a double on wednesday. And he can't say "oh i have plans sorry"
Just putting things into perspective.
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What a serviceman makes depends on rank and many of them make more than that. They also get hazard pay in war zones and it's tax free.
They still don't get paid enough, but they make a living.
Guards where I grew up lived very well.0 -
I spent a year in juvy, so I'll give my opinion based on that experience. Ofcourse this is juvy Im talking about, so its not really the same.
But I agree with some of what you're saying. It did not feel like a punishment at all. Free food, but you could buy some stuff off canteen if you wanted chips or candy. Free soap, shampoo, conditioner, but you could buy Pantene and body wash off canteen too. We earned the money for it based on how well we were that day with our chores etc. If we made it to level 4 we could do other things to make money like laundry. We got 2 sets of clothes. We had radios in our room. We played sports all the time. Had trainers who volunteered come in once a week to work out with us. A woman came in once a week and brought nail polish and makeup, we had to wipe the make up off before she left. Free dentist, I had a couple small cavities filled. There were a couple people in for murder too, they still got to have all the programs etc. Thats just not too shabby.
That being said, Id prefer to stay away from jail or prison.
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I would consider a prison in Norway...
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083,00.html0 -
The poshness of our prisons are vastly over-rated. Medical issues in prisons are terrible - broken bones, abscessed teeth, etc can go for months without treatment because of the wish to punish our prisoners. There is also the excessive prisoner-on-prisoner violence to contend with.
If prison sounds like anyone's idea of a good "free-ride", then that someone needs a reality check. Life on the outside is much better.
Good it should suck. Just sayin.0 -
I spent a year in juvy, so I'll give my opinion based on that experience. Ofcourse this is juvy Im talking about, so its not really the same.
But I agree with some of what you're saying. It did not feel like a punishment at all. Free food, but you could buy some stuff off canteen if you wanted chips or candy. Free soap, shampoo, conditioner, but you could buy Pantene and body wash off canteen too. We earned the money for it based on how well we were that day with our chores etc. If we made it to level 4 we could do other things to make money like laundry. We got 2 sets of clothes. We had radios in our room. We played sports all the time. Had trainers who volunteered come in once a week to work out with us. A woman came in once a week and brought nail polish and makeup, we had to wipe the make up off before she left. Free dentist, I had a couple small cavities filled. There were a couple people in for murder too, they still got to have all the programs etc. Thats just not too shabby.
That being said, Id prefer to stay away from jail or prison.
ya ya...but did you get any good tattoos?0 -
ya ya...but did you get any good tattoos?
lol no. That wasnt available to us... so unfair.0 -
Absolutely free housing and all utility's. All meals are free of charge. Free Gym membership. Free clothes that are washed for you. Free cable. Free schooling, counseling and medical. Free medication when needed. Free access to yoga, handball and movie nights. Free musical lessons. Free family BBQ twice a year. Free incoming text messages and shared internet site for skyping. Free security. Free job training.
Also available for very little; Pizza nights, KFC delivered, ice cream socials, Subway sandwiches and MP3 players.
Guess............
There's a prison, Federal no less, here in my town and they do not have access to texting, Subway, KFC or ice cream socials. Any MP3 players are bought by the inmates or by family off of some kind of prison order sheet or something.0 -
I think all that's been ascertained here is that prisons vary a lot. At least that seems like a more logical conclusion than thinking that my experience is correct and everyone who sees differently is either blind or out of date. *shrugs*
I'm pro-medical care and education. As far as those things go, I'm not really concerned with whether prisoners deserve them, I'm concerned with whether they work. If people can get an education and come out of prison to become productive members of society, then educating them works. And plenty do become productive and clean. I see it every day where I work. Not all, not even most, but enough that I think education is worth it. Medical care I just agree with for everyone, and I don't think I'll ever change my mind on that. I never finished med school, but I still take the hippocratic oath seriously.
TVs and Internet? F that. Give em books instead.
Make em read Mills & Boon / Harlequin romance novels all day, that'll be good motivation not to go back.
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Certain people fail to realize that prison is meant to do TWO things: Punish the criminal AND rehabilitate the criminal. Now, while the criminal should not be allowed to live in luxury... they do need to be kept humanely. If you treat these people like animals, do not offer education and do not offer career training...then when they get released from jail they will not be able to integrate back into society as tax paying citizens. Instead they will continue their lives as career criminals. And the same people crying about the training they now get in jail will be the same people complaining after they get robbed for their wallet.0
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Today was Christmas eve. The Inmates recieved free soda all day and every inmate was given a bag of candy. Rehabilitation does not require a lot of the crap that these guys get.0
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I got my second bachelor's degree while in prison. I also got free gender reassignment surgery, and davinci veneers for my teeth, then gold teeths so I had a great grill. Thanks, taxpayers!0
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I got my second bachelor's degree while in prison. I also got free gender reassignment surgery, and davinci veneers for my teeth, then gold teeths so I had a great grill. Thanks, taxpayers!
Hey don't laugh. We have 2 inmates that had state paid gender reasignment surgery. One, who the other Inmates call Rebecca, always plays in the theater productions that the inmates do. It was in our local paper and in all honesty is something i think is funny.
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Just a note, One of the surgeries was truly necessary as the inmate actually cut most of his stuff off with a razor blade. (I am not joking)0 -
so OP you think that because these people did wrong they should be locked in a cell with nothing. Absolutely nothing? Some how that will "teach" them better than having a semi normal life where they are?
Some inmates are stuck there until they die- id like to think they are thankful for Christmas pop and chips. Its the only present theyll get if no one on the outside will talk to them or have anything to do with them.
I also would hate for you to be working for a prison im in if youre so heartless as you seem to be. We are all human, even if we do wrong. That doesnt mean we need to be treated like we are scum.0 -
so OP you think that because these people did wrong they should be locked in a cell with nothing. Absolutely nothing? Some how that will "teach" them better than having a semi normal life where they are?
Some inmates are stuck there until they die- id like to think they are thankful for Christmas pop and chips. Its the only present theyll get if no one on the outside will talk to them or have anything to do with them.
I also would hate for you to be working for a prison im in if youre so heartless as you seem to be. We are all human, even if we do wrong. That doesnt mean we need to be treated like we are scum.
You misunderstand. My point was not that inmates do not deserve basic human rights. They do. I never said prison should be a hole in the mud. That is something that others are saying on this thread but it did not come from me. My point was that these inmates get a whole lot more than just that and that we are paying for it. Remember, these people have already killed, raped, stolen, etc.......They could very well be considered by many to be scum and many more would not argue that point.
No inmate is stuck here until they die unless they did something that you would not want to hear about. They treated someone like scum before they got here now didn't they?
Remember that everything costs money. My point is not that we should pay nothing for inmates. My point is that society in general has absolutely no idea the kind of things they are needlessly paying for. Inmates do not deserve for you and I to be paying 10 million dollars to give them bags of candy and soda. That is wasteful and has nothing to do with inmate societal rehabilitation.
Do not critique me when you do not know the whole story. I see the wasteful spending and inmate pampering daily. I know very little about your field of employment and you with mine.0
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