Quack Quack, Dr. Oz!

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  • JoshuaL86
    JoshuaL86 Posts: 403 Member
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    He's a Dr. for crying out loud! This guy is a genius!
  • FrugalMomsRock75
    FrugalMomsRock75 Posts: 698 Member
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    In general, the potential connection between pharmaceutical drugs and birth defect risks are made after reviewing post-market surveillance information. Unfortunately, this means that the risk of birth defects isn't discovered until the drug is already distributed to the public and problems already begin to appear. Because of ethical laws governing medical testing, most drugs approved by the FDA are not tested on pregnant women before being marketed to consumers, so information about the effects of these drugs on pregnant women and their unborn children is often severely limited.

    From the above linked page.
  • ubermensch13
    ubermensch13 Posts: 824 Member
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    http://www.consumerjusticefoundation.com/20110606383/fda-food-and-drug-administration/dangers-of-pharmaceutical-drugs-while-pregnant

    Hmmmm...I find it odd they didn't link the "studies". Plus, this is a consumer advocacy law group....not a scientific journal, not to say the information couldn't be correct, but it isn't exactly peer reviewed or unbiased.
  • elisa123gal
    elisa123gal Posts: 4,300 Member
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    The guy is trying to fill weekday shows that must appeal to women..so he talks a lot of about losing weight and ends up compromising his reputation. We know that weight loss is calories in and calories out. Cant' make much of that. Oz has sacrificed his reputation for overall fame..and now retribution from his colleagues. Sort of embarrassing.
  • lwagnitz
    lwagnitz Posts: 1,321 Member
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    http://www.consumerjusticefoundation.com/20110606383/fda-food-and-drug-administration/dangers-of-pharmaceutical-drugs-while-pregnant

    Hmmmm...I find it odd they didn't link the "studies". Plus, this is a consumer advocacy law group....not a scientific journal, not to say the information couldn't be correct, but it isn't exactly peer reviewed or unbiased.

    My thoughts exactly. The name kind of says it all.
  • FrugalMomsRock75
    FrugalMomsRock75 Posts: 698 Member
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    http://www.consumerjusticefoundation.com/20110606383/fda-food-and-drug-administration/dangers-of-pharmaceutical-drugs-while-pregnant

    Hmmmm...I find it odd they didn't link the "studies". Plus, this is a consumer advocacy law group....not a scientific journal, not to say the information couldn't be correct, but it isn't exactly peer reviewed or unbiased.

    As I said--it's unethical to do these "studies" on pregnant women. However, the results speak for themselves. Anecdotal? Not when 100's of 1000's of babies are being born defective all linked to the same drugs! Anecdotal is an incidence equal to the normal incidence [of these defects] in the population of women NOT taking the drugs. When you have numbers that FAR outnumber the "general population" of pregnant women... that is your study. Results of us being human guinea pigs. Unwittingly.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,618 Member
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    Many people who watch his show will never interact with people who are "in the know" so they will just believe it because of affiliation with Oprah. Fortunately there is reputable information passed on here by knowlegdeable people here.

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  • lwagnitz
    lwagnitz Posts: 1,321 Member
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    He's a Dr. for crying out loud! This guy is a genius!

    My "doctor" sent me away with whooping cough without even testing me. Just said that if I had whooping cough that other people would have it too. Yeah, she's a genius.
    My "doctor" sent me away with a broken foot before even taking a look at the xrays. Yeah, she's a genius.
    I went through 4 specialists, 3 physical therapists, 2 family doctors, all of which who told me that I was faking the pain in my hip. Turned out I had torn cartiladge, tendinitis, a crap ton of scar tissue from going for 4 years with an untreated injury. Yeah, they're all freaking genius' I tell ya....
  • WinnerVictorious
    WinnerVictorious Posts: 4,735 Member
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    http://www.consumerjusticefoundation.com/20110606383/fda-food-and-drug-administration/dangers-of-pharmaceutical-drugs-while-pregnant

    Hmmmm...I find it odd they didn't link the "studies". Plus, this is a consumer advocacy law group....not a scientific journal, not to say the information couldn't be correct, but it isn't exactly peer reviewed or unbiased.

    My thoughts exactly. The name kind of says it all.

    yep! ...and if modern (western) medicine and pharmaceuticals were so bad, why is our average life expectancy increasing every year? from a health and longevity perspective, i'd much rather be alive now than any other time in history.
  • jerknoir
    jerknoir Posts: 96 Member
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    I always got an iffy feeling about him. The only time I ever watched was when he interviewed that dude from PrettyThin. Good to know he's as much of a sham as I'd imagined.
  • firstsip
    firstsip Posts: 8,399 Member
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    In general, the potential connection between pharmaceutical drugs and birth defect risks are made after reviewing post-market surveillance information. Unfortunately, this means that the risk of birth defects isn't discovered until the drug is already distributed to the public and problems already begin to appear. Because of ethical laws governing medical testing, most drugs approved by the FDA are not tested on pregnant women before being marketed to consumers, so information about the effects of these drugs on pregnant women and their unborn children is often severely limited.

    From the above linked page.

    None of the drugs listed were ever cleared for pregnancy, though? I'm assuming you're speaking of anti-depressants, because those are ones I've been familiar with outside of your link. They were all Class C, which means "maybe" essentially; if your doctor assured you you were in the clear, I think he/she should 100% have discussed the "plausibility." The only change is that enough side effects have been warranted to change the category; like others have said, the drug being "100%" okay would have made it "100% okay" in terms of many laws that attempt to inform mothers of drug interactions with fetus.

    Granted, this is a not so similar analogy, but Accutane was never, ever condoned for being taken while pregnant. It was constantly issued as "there's the possibility of this not working; ill advised." When women still took it, resulting it absolutely disastrous birth defects, the drug was BARRED from being given to pregnant women. It wasn't that the lack of testing on pregnant women had made the drug "okay"; it was the existing science of the drug that made enough go, "This is not recommended, it may have these" and enough women still going forth for them to go, "Well, okay, now we know this is terrible. Ban it."

    I'm very sorry about your daughter's struggles, but I feel you're taking traumatic experience and painting a wide brush across medicine as a whole... all while needing to defend Dr. Oz in this post? Plus, that site is obviously going to have a certain slant, doesn't link to specific articles, and flat out says, "Don't use anything on this site as medical or legal advice" in a disclaimer that just reeks of unprofessional.
  • Loves418
    Loves418 Posts: 330 Member
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    Who goes to a respected heart surgeon for nutrition and weight loss advice?

    There's so much truth in what you said.

    Actually my husbands cardiologist did tell him about nutrition and weight loss after his stents went in. He sat with both of us talking about food, diet, exercise and so on. He was a top Dr. in the hospital where my husband was.
  • karensdream
    karensdream Posts: 135 Member
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    Like any other quack, Dr Oz is going to promote whatever and whomever writes his paycheck, bottom line. He's a sell-out to those of us who are comitted and dedicated to getting fit and healthy the right way.
  • firstsip
    firstsip Posts: 8,399 Member
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    He's a Dr. for crying out loud! This guy is a genius!

    You hardly need to be a genius (a useless marker of intelligence) to be a doctor...
  • VelociMama
    VelociMama Posts: 3,119 Member
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    He's a Dr. for crying out loud! This guy is a genius!

    My "doctor" sent me away with whooping cough without even testing me. Just said that if I had whooping cough that other people would have it too. Yeah, she's a genius.

    I had a doctor send me home when I had viral AND bacterial bronchitis at the same time in 2011. I was hospitalized on IV antibiotics and antiviral meds for 4 days after I decided that it wasn't likely to be just "a cold" and went to the ER. My husband called that doctor from the hospital and chewed him out. He showed up to my room to apologize the next day.

    Sadly, far too many people take the advice of doctors without double checking their information on its own merits. Unfortunately, a lot of doctors have an enormously inflated ego, and it often can be catastrophic for their patients. They are also human beings who are imperfect in their knowledge as well. Does this mean that we shouldn't listen to them? Not at all. It does mean that everyone should be skeptical and try to learn and understand what any "expert" tells you for yourself.

    As for Dr. Oz, he's a pill-pushing quackjob deluxe who not only should be taken off the air but lose his medical license.
  • lwagnitz
    lwagnitz Posts: 1,321 Member
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    He's a Dr. for crying out loud! This guy is a genius!

    My "doctor" sent me away with whooping cough without even testing me. Just said that if I had whooping cough that other people would have it too. Yeah, she's a genius.

    I had a doctor send me home when I had viral AND bacterial bronchitis at the same time in 2011. I was hospitalized on IV antibiotics and antiviral meds for 4 days, when I decided that it wasn't likely to be just "a cold" and went to the ER. My husband called that doctor from the hospital and chewed him out. He showed up to my room to apologize the next day.

    Sadly, far too many people take the advice of doctors without double checking their information on its own merits. Unfortunately, a lot of doctors have an enormously inflated ego, and it often can be catastrophic for their patients. They are also human beings who are imperfect in their knowledge as well. Does this mean that we shouldn't listen to them? Not at all. It does mean that everyone should be skeptical and try to learn and understand what any "expert" tells you for yourself.

    Yepp, if you just look at the stuff I listed from my doctor.


    Also, one time my dad went in to the ER, and they thought he was a drunk (my dad RARELY RARELY RARELY drinks). They asked him his pain level (he has a super high pain tolerance) and he told them a 10 on a 1-10 scale, and they just brushed him off as a drunk or a druggie.

    They just sent him home, where he then threw a blood clot. He went to a different ER after that. He had really bad gall stones and, like I said, threw blood clots. He was in the hospital for 3 weeks after that.
  • MizTerry
    MizTerry Posts: 3,763 Member
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    I have friends that live and breathe the Oz. It's funny, really.
  • stehmari
    stehmari Posts: 110 Member
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    dr. oz can't mess with the power of the mind. and that ultimately holds the key to success. You need perserverance! these people who say, "if i did it, you can do it" kind of gets me...i mean, now that i have lost weight I can't say I haven't felt that comment come to mind. But, there is no magic potion, lotion, pill, stress point taps (yes, i've tried this one), food, exercise, etc. I believe everyone has the ability to move their body in some type of way. Everyone has the ability to eat smaller portions. In the beginning I HATED smaller portions....but, eventually my body adapted. I didn't do any secret activity or eat some secret food. It's hard work, and I'm sure everyone here can attest to that. Good luck everyone!
  • mockchoc
    mockchoc Posts: 6,573 Member
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    :brokenheart: i watch dr. oz every now & then. one time i was watching he gave a tip for green tea. if you brew it yourself & drank a lot of it a day it would help you in losing weight with a sensible diet & moderate exercise. well, i followed that advice, i drink 1 gallon of green tea a day. i am happy to say that i did lose 90 pounds as a result but that included proper diet & exercise. i am sorry people do not like dr oz but he gave me correct advice. since i have been on mfp i have lost another 38 pounds!

    I did that too and all it did was put my blood pressure up.
  • WinnerVictorious
    WinnerVictorious Posts: 4,735 Member
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    :brokenheart: i watch dr. oz every now & then. one time i was watching he gave a tip for green tea. if you brew it yourself & drank a lot of it a day it would help you in losing weight with a sensible diet & moderate exercise. well, i followed that advice, i drink 1 gallon of green tea a day. i am happy to say that i did lose 90 pounds as a result but that included proper diet & exercise. i am sorry people do not like dr oz but he gave me correct advice. since i have been on mfp i have lost another 38 pounds!

    if i told you to stand on your head for 30 minutes every day, eat a sensible diet, and get moderate exercise and you ended up losing 90 lbs, would you then tell me that the secret to your weight loss was, in fact, that you stood on your head for 30 minutes every day?

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