1200, and why it won't work
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Bumping to show my friend later!If any of you have questions on initial setpoints (where you should start), it's really a matter of where you are starting from. Obviously a girl trying to fit into her spring break bikini and wants to lose 5 pounds is different than a mother who wants to shed her pregnancy weight, or an older woman who is getting back into the rhythm of fitness.
There is no way I can establish setpoints without knowing some semi personal things about you. That requires a leap of faith.0 -
Two things I find wrong about this kind of hostility:
All she said was for people to start with seeing a doctor, how is that hostile?1. I am a bio major. went through 2 years of med school, took all the orgo, chem, biochem, and associated classes, before deciding that 8 more years of school would put me into too much debt. for all educational purposes, I'm a doctor.
most doctors will tell you to eat less. they have NO idea about the current studies and literature pertaining to human weight loss, performance nutrition, and optimal disease prevention...
Then why did you use personal experience and a fun story to lay our your assertions? Where are these peer reviewed studies that show how eating at -15% TDEE is better than a decent calorie cut + exercise?
Oh that's right, the results of those studies don't fit into your perfect little story. I've seen pages of articles published, books, TV shows even (think Mr. Oz) about how wheat is a poison, how carbs are the key to losing weight. Now I'm supposed to take you at your word that you know what you're talking about????? Seriously? Raspberry ketones is all I have to say about that.3. I exist in some grey space, outside of personal trainers who charge money, and oustide of doctors who know nothing about being "beach-ready". I exist to help. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you take it elsewhere.
Again, I have to ask, what's the hostility and danger of talking to a nutritionist or medical professional and listening to them over what some internet forum user says? After all of the BS that has been published in so many places and passed off by so many people as "truth" you'd understand if you thought that some of us "logic" and "reason" type people didn't just swallow what you served without any CITED evidence.
So I applaud her for telling people to stop looking for Jesus in your post. It's a nice story, but it shouldn't be taken as advice for them. Go have your results published, reviewed, and studied with more than one person and I will retract my statements.0 -
1200 While eating back Calories burned (Hrm) worked well for me... averaged about 1500.0
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Thank you-today was my first day I tried to eat more.0
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Two things I find wrong about this kind of hostility:
All she said was for people to start with seeing a doctor, how is that hostile?1. I am a bio major. went through 2 years of med school, took all the orgo, chem, biochem, and associated classes, before deciding that 8 more years of school would put me into too much debt. for all educational purposes, I'm a doctor.
most doctors will tell you to eat less. they have NO idea about the current studies and literature pertaining to human weight loss, performance nutrition, and optimal disease prevention...
Then why did you use personal experience and a fun story to lay our your assertions? Where are these peer reviewed studies that show how eating at -15% TDEE is better than a decent calorie cut + exercise?
Oh that's right, the results of those studies don't fit into your perfect little story. I've seen pages of articles published, books, TV shows even (think Mr. Oz) about how wheat is a poison, how carbs are the key to losing weight. Now I'm supposed to take you at your word that you know what you're talking about????? Seriously? Raspberry ketones is all I have to say about that.3. I exist in some grey space, outside of personal trainers who charge money, and oustide of doctors who know nothing about being "beach-ready". I exist to help. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you take it elsewhere.
Again, I have to ask, what's the hostility and danger of talking to a nutritionist or medical professional and listening to them over what some internet forum user says? After all of the BS that has been published in so many places and passed off by so many people as "truth" you'd understand if you thought that some of us "logic" and "reason" type people didn't just swallow what you served without any CITED evidence.
So I applaud her for telling people to stop looking for Jesus in your post. It's a nice story, but it shouldn't be taken as advice for them. Go have your results published, reviewed, and studied with more than one person and I will retract my statements.
There is no danger there. You're right.
But if you really want to get into the studies, we can have a PM battle. That's fine. The reason I posed the assertion the way I did was because it is much easier to digest than an article being bogged down with study. Not to mention most of the studies posted on this site are not peer reviewed, and are industry sponsered for the affirmative.
I don't think i've laid any assertion to any kind of "wheat, or clean or ketones?" if you look at my diary, you will see that I eat plenty of junk food. I actually implore you to look at it. It's a masterpiece of indiscretion.
You do not have to take me at my word on anything. This is my personal story, and Monica is a very real person. Of course she was the 1 out of 10 that actually complied, but she is very real.
Have I not offered logic? 1. that the golden rule of calories in vs calories out is fundamental 2. that setting too low a setpoint is detrimental to weight loss progression and 3. that any endeavor should be taken in moderation?
I do not think these are facets of dishonesty or ill means.
My experience is just as anecdotal as anyone else's. The fact that I have achieved my goals, and taken the time to study how I did it, is evidence on some level that the ideas are sound.
Would you believe that an MD knows more about bodybuilding and aesthetic dieting than me? I say produce him..or her. I will go 12 rounds with any medical professional on GLUT-4, proteins synthase, gluceogenesis, glycogen uptake, nutrient partitioning, and I will leave them in the dust.
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I'm sure the original poster posted this with good intention, but it is medical advice and people should be seeing actual nutritionists and doctors. I don't understand why, when people post other medical questions in MFP, members are quick to urge them to get to a doctor. However, when calculating your daily nutritional needs, people are gobbling up the info of someone who, "obtained [a] NASM personal training certification, which was a breeze." What? That's as dull as merely following MFP's recommendations without question. This fellow took a thirty minute exam after a few months of studying. Most medical doctors only have mere hours of nutritional training and that's still significant compared to what he has. The mythical "Monica" could have had a thyroid disorder or, like I have, PCOS. These things alter your metabolisms so significantly that you need someone truly skilled in helping you find the right balance. You might even, as I have had to do, have to see internists as well.
If you're obese and looking for answers here, please stop. No, don't start at 1200. Don't start at 3000. Don't start without tests for diabetes, PCOS, Insulin Resistance, etc. "Monica" was rather lucky in this scenario, but it's hardly a case study; if you are obese or morbidly obese, there is a chance underlying conditions are helping you stay that way. You're going to feel better having medical clearance anyway when you want to begin exercise. For example, he had a six week period of Monica not loosing. Eventually she did again. We don't know how her diet's composition change. Did she alter carbs/fats/etc? Did she begin drinking more water? Taking supplements? How many people think 1200 isn't working and push on for six weeks without result? Not many. Yes, Monica seems to have had a decent amount of will power and a load of blind faith, but she could have very well had the same stall and restart at 1200, 1400, 1600, or 2000 calories. There are just too many factors to consider. She could have had more plateaus than he could have accounted for; what then?
Two things I find wrong about this kind of hostility:
1. I am a bio major. went through 2 years of med school, took all the orgo, chem, biochem, and associated classes, before deciding that 8 more years of school would put me into too much debt. for all educational purposes, I'm a doctor.
2. most doctors are contact of last resort. you don't see a doctor while you are gaining weight, you see them when you've gained too much weight that it threatens your health. most doctors will tell you to eat less. they have NO idea about the current studies and literature pertaining to human weight loss, performance nutrition, and optimal disease prevention....that is unless they keep up with peer reviewed studies. If they do...it's in the area of disease correction, instead of prevention. Although all doctors have fundamental knowledge of how to prevent disease, not all of them update their knowledge profiles bi monthly.
3. I exist in some grey space, outside of personal trainers who charge money, and oustide of doctors who know nothing about being "beach-ready". I exist to help. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you take it elsewhere.
Actually, as you pointed out, you are eight years of school away from being a doctor. A lot of stuff happens in eight years of education; I've learned that working on my own doctorate.
Doctor's don't and shouldn't have to be a last resort. I don't even get where you're saying that people don't see doctors while they are gaining weight. If people aren't getting regular physicals there are a lot of health problems they could be overlooking aside from obesity. Encouraging them to use you as a substitute isn't helping anyone. I'm also not sure your critical thinking skills are up to par. I clearly already outlined that people should see specialists in nutrition and internal medicine. I said myself that most doctors undergo only hours of nutritional training--but still they are more licensed and trained than you. That's a fact. Certainly a nutritionist would put you to shame.
And finally, you did not seriously just champion yourself for your knowledge of "beach ready" bodies? Yeah, I don't think a lot of doctors are marketing that...you know...because a beach ready body isn't the main indicator of health.
If you can't see the informative nature of my original response, where I even gave you the courtesy of saying you had good intentions, you're really off. This is a forum; it's a place of discussion. You have no need to be threatened. You seriously don't want obese and morbidly obese people to have a reminder to seek medical help, to find out if they have any underlying medical problems before jumping in to a diet? That's just negligence.0 -
I'm sure the original poster posted this with good intention, but it is medical advice and people should be seeing actual nutritionists and doctors. I don't understand why, when people post other medical questions in MFP, members are quick to urge them to get to a doctor. However, when calculating your daily nutritional needs, people are gobbling up the info of someone who, "obtained [a] NASM personal training certification, which was a breeze." What? That's as dull as merely following MFP's recommendations without question. This fellow took a thirty minute exam after a few months of studying. Most medical doctors only have mere hours of nutritional training and that's still significant compared to what he has. The mythical "Monica" could have had a thyroid disorder or, like I have, PCOS. These things alter your metabolisms so significantly that you need someone truly skilled in helping you find the right balance. You might even, as I have had to do, have to see internists as well.
If you're obese and looking for answers here, please stop. No, don't start at 1200. Don't start at 3000. Don't start without tests for diabetes, PCOS, Insulin Resistance, etc. "Monica" was rather lucky in this scenario, but it's hardly a case study; if you are obese or morbidly obese, there is a chance underlying conditions are helping you stay that way. You're going to feel better having medical clearance anyway when you want to begin exercise. For example, he had a six week period of Monica not loosing. Eventually she did again. We don't know how her diet's composition change. Did she alter carbs/fats/etc? Did she begin drinking more water? Taking supplements? How many people think 1200 isn't working and push on for six weeks without result? Not many. Yes, Monica seems to have had a decent amount of will power and a load of blind faith, but she could have very well had the same stall and restart at 1200, 1400, 1600, or 2000 calories. There are just too many factors to consider. She could have had more plateaus than he could have accounted for; what then?
Two things I find wrong about this kind of hostility:
1. I am a bio major. went through 2 years of med school, took all the orgo, chem, biochem, and associated classes, before deciding that 8 more years of school would put me into too much debt. for all educational purposes, I'm a doctor.
2. most doctors are contact of last resort. you don't see a doctor while you are gaining weight, you see them when you've gained too much weight that it threatens your health. most doctors will tell you to eat less. they have NO idea about the current studies and literature pertaining to human weight loss, performance nutrition, and optimal disease prevention....that is unless they keep up with peer reviewed studies. If they do...it's in the area of disease correction, instead of prevention. Although all doctors have fundamental knowledge of how to prevent disease, not all of them update their knowledge profiles bi monthly.
3. I exist in some grey space, outside of personal trainers who charge money, and oustide of doctors who know nothing about being "beach-ready". I exist to help. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you take it elsewhere.
Actually, as you pointed out, you are eight years of school away from being a doctor. A lot of stuff happens in eight years of education; I've learned that working on my own doctorate.
Doctor's don't and shouldn't have to be a last resort. I don't even get where you're saying that people don't see doctors while they are gaining weight. If people aren't getting regular physicals there are a lot of health problems they could be overlooking aside from obesity. Encouraging them to use you as a substitute isn't helping anyone. I'm also not sure your critical thinking skills are up to par. I clearly already outlined that people should see specialists in nutrition and internal medicine. I said myself that most doctors undergo only hours of nutritional training--but still they are more licensed and trained than you. That's a fact. Certainly a nutritionist would put you to shame.
And finally, you did not seriously just champion yourself for your knowledge of "beach ready" bodies? Yeah, I don't think a lot of doctors are marketing that...you know...because a beach ready body isn't the main indicator of health.
If you can't see the informative nature of my original response, where I even gave you the courtesy of saying you had good intentions, you're really off. This is a forum; it's a place of discussion. You have no need to be threatened. You seriously don't want obese and morbidly obese people to have a reminder to seek medical help, to find out if they have any underlying medical problems before jumping in to a diet? That's just negligence.
First of all a "nutritionist" is just a glorified personal trainer. They, at best retain the knowledge of their textbooks, with some or little further following of the continued science in the field. And admittedly that's enough to address 99% of the issues we are facing in this overweight culture.
So, no. A nutritionist will never put me to shame. They can only tell me what substrate metabolism aught to do. They will never be able to cater it to specific cases. They cannot cater profiles according to nutrient partitioning. They will not grant ideas on acetyle-COA pathways given substrate quality. Any undergrad bio major destroys all nutritionists by a mile. Once you cut into the cadavers in M2? Well you get the idea.
The original post was to alert people to the danger of eating 1200 calories a day. You recommend to consult a doctor based on my more MODEST, and SAFE recommendation of finding a better baseline? Absurd. Most doctors will tell you that eating 1200 calories a day is insane.
So...was it just a ploy to undermine my understanding of the subject, or did I really strike a personal chord? If so, I apologize, and let that be that.0 -
I'm sure the original poster posted this with good intention, but it is medical advice and people should be seeing actual nutritionists and doctors. I don't understand why, when people post other medical questions in MFP, members are quick to urge them to get to a doctor. However, when calculating your daily nutritional needs, people are gobbling up the info of someone who, "obtained [a] NASM personal training certification, which was a breeze." What? That's as dull as merely following MFP's recommendations without question. This fellow took a thirty minute exam after a few months of studying. Most medical doctors only have mere hours of nutritional training and that's still significant compared to what he has. The mythical "Monica" could have had a thyroid disorder or, like I have, PCOS. These things alter your metabolisms so significantly that you need someone truly skilled in helping you find the right balance. You might even, as I have had to do, have to see internists as well.
If you're obese and looking for answers here, please stop. No, don't start at 1200. Don't start at 3000. Don't start without tests for diabetes, PCOS, Insulin Resistance, etc. "Monica" was rather lucky in this scenario, but it's hardly a case study; if you are obese or morbidly obese, there is a chance underlying conditions are helping you stay that way. You're going to feel better having medical clearance anyway when you want to begin exercise. For example, he had a six week period of Monica not loosing. Eventually she did again. We don't know how her diet's composition change. Did she alter carbs/fats/etc? Did she begin drinking more water? Taking supplements? How many people think 1200 isn't working and push on for six weeks without result? Not many. Yes, Monica seems to have had a decent amount of will power and a load of blind faith, but she could have very well had the same stall and restart at 1200, 1400, 1600, or 2000 calories. There are just too many factors to consider. She could have had more plateaus than he could have accounted for; what then?
Two things I find wrong about this kind of hostility:
1. I am a bio major. went through 2 years of med school, took all the orgo, chem, biochem, and associated classes, before deciding that 8 more years of school would put me into too much debt. for all educational purposes, I'm a doctor.
2. most doctors are contact of last resort. you don't see a doctor while you are gaining weight, you see them when you've gained too much weight that it threatens your health. most doctors will tell you to eat less. they have NO idea about the current studies and literature pertaining to human weight loss, performance nutrition, and optimal disease prevention....that is unless they keep up with peer reviewed studies. If they do...it's in the area of disease correction, instead of prevention. Although all doctors have fundamental knowledge of how to prevent disease, not all of them update their knowledge profiles bi monthly.
3. I exist in some grey space, outside of personal trainers who charge money, and oustide of doctors who know nothing about being "beach-ready". I exist to help. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you take it elsewhere.
Actually, as you pointed out, you are eight years of school away from being a doctor. A lot of stuff happens in eight years of education; I've learned that working on my own doctorate.
Doctor's don't and shouldn't have to be a last resort. I don't even get where you're saying that people don't see doctors while they are gaining weight. If people aren't getting regular physicals there are a lot of health problems they could be overlooking aside from obesity. Encouraging them to use you as a substitute isn't helping anyone. I'm also not sure your critical thinking skills are up to par. I clearly already outlined that people should see specialists in nutrition and internal medicine. I said myself that most doctors undergo only hours of nutritional training--but still they are more licensed and trained than you. That's a fact. Certainly a nutritionist would put you to shame.
And finally, you did not seriously just champion yourself for your knowledge of "beach ready" bodies? Yeah, I don't think a lot of doctors are marketing that...you know...because a beach ready body isn't the main indicator of health.
If you can't see the informative nature of my original response, where I even gave you the courtesy of saying you had good intentions, you're really off. This is a forum; it's a place of discussion. You have no need to be threatened. You seriously don't want obese and morbidly obese people to have a reminder to seek medical help, to find out if they have any underlying medical problems before jumping in to a diet? That's just negligence.
First of all a "nutritionist" is just a glorified personal trainer. They, at best retain the knowledge of their textbooks, with some or little further following of the continued science in the field. And admittedly that's enough to address 99% of the issues we are facing in this overweight culture.
So, no. A nutritionist will never put me to shame. They can only tell me what substrate metabolism aught to do. They will never be able to cater it to specific cases. They cannot cater profiles according to nutrient partitioning. They will not grant ideas on acetyle-COA pathways given substrate quality. Any undergrad bio major destroys all nutritionists by a mile. Once you cut into the cadavers in M2? Well you get the idea.
The original post was to alert people to the danger of eating 1200 calories a day. You recommend to consult a doctor based on my more MODEST, and SAFE recommendation of finding a better baseline? Absurd. Most doctors will tell you that eating 1200 calories a day is insane.
So...was it just a ploy to undermine my understanding of the subject, or did I really strike a personal chord? If so, I apologize, and let that be that.
But what about a nutritionist who gets a B.S. in bio undergrad degree and then pursues an MS/PHD in Nutrition
LOL I'm just messing. I totally agree with you. I'm getting a B.S. in Chemistry with a concentration in biochemistry and currently trying to figure out if I want to pursue a MS in Chemistry and then a Ph.D in nutrition, or a Ph.D in Chemistry....
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Brilliantly stated! Nice read and very true.0
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I'm sure the original poster posted this with good intention, but it is medical advice and people should be seeing actual nutritionists and doctors. I don't understand why, when people post other medical questions in MFP, members are quick to urge them to get to a doctor. However, when calculating your daily nutritional needs, people are gobbling up the info of someone who, "obtained [a] NASM personal training certification, which was a breeze." What? That's as dull as merely following MFP's recommendations without question. This fellow took a thirty minute exam after a few months of studying. Most medical doctors only have mere hours of nutritional training and that's still significant compared to what he has. The mythical "Monica" could have had a thyroid disorder or, like I have, PCOS. These things alter your metabolisms so significantly that you need someone truly skilled in helping you find the right balance. You might even, as I have had to do, have to see internists as well.
If you're obese and looking for answers here, please stop. No, don't start at 1200. Don't start at 3000. Don't start without tests for diabetes, PCOS, Insulin Resistance, etc. "Monica" was rather lucky in this scenario, but it's hardly a case study; if you are obese or morbidly obese, there is a chance underlying conditions are helping you stay that way. You're going to feel better having medical clearance anyway when you want to begin exercise. For example, he had a six week period of Monica not loosing. Eventually she did again. We don't know how her diet's composition change. Did she alter carbs/fats/etc? Did she begin drinking more water? Taking supplements? How many people think 1200 isn't working and push on for six weeks without result? Not many. Yes, Monica seems to have had a decent amount of will power and a load of blind faith, but she could have very well had the same stall and restart at 1200, 1400, 1600, or 2000 calories. There are just too many factors to consider. She could have had more plateaus than he could have accounted for; what then?
Two things I find wrong about this kind of hostility:
1. I am a bio major. went through 2 years of med school, took all the orgo, chem, biochem, and associated classes, before deciding that 8 more years of school would put me into too much debt. for all educational purposes, I'm a doctor.
2. most doctors are contact of last resort. you don't see a doctor while you are gaining weight, you see them when you've gained too much weight that it threatens your health. most doctors will tell you to eat less. they have NO idea about the current studies and literature pertaining to human weight loss, performance nutrition, and optimal disease prevention....that is unless they keep up with peer reviewed studies. If they do...it's in the area of disease correction, instead of prevention. Although all doctors have fundamental knowledge of how to prevent disease, not all of them update their knowledge profiles bi monthly.
3. I exist in some grey space, outside of personal trainers who charge money, and oustide of doctors who know nothing about being "beach-ready". I exist to help. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you take it elsewhere.
Actually, as you pointed out, you are eight years of school away from being a doctor. A lot of stuff happens in eight years of education; I've learned that working on my own doctorate.
Doctor's don't and shouldn't have to be a last resort. I don't even get where you're saying that people don't see doctors while they are gaining weight. If people aren't getting regular physicals there are a lot of health problems they could be overlooking aside from obesity. Encouraging them to use you as a substitute isn't helping anyone. I'm also not sure your critical thinking skills are up to par. I clearly already outlined that people should see specialists in nutrition and internal medicine. I said myself that most doctors undergo only hours of nutritional training--but still they are more licensed and trained than you. That's a fact. Certainly a nutritionist would put you to shame.
And finally, you did not seriously just champion yourself for your knowledge of "beach ready" bodies? Yeah, I don't think a lot of doctors are marketing that...you know...because a beach ready body isn't the main indicator of health.
If you can't see the informative nature of my original response, where I even gave you the courtesy of saying you had good intentions, you're really off. This is a forum; it's a place of discussion. You have no need to be threatened. You seriously don't want obese and morbidly obese people to have a reminder to seek medical help, to find out if they have any underlying medical problems before jumping in to a diet? That's just negligence.
First of all a "nutritionist" is just a glorified personal trainer. They, at best retain the knowledge of their textbooks, with some or little further following of the continued science in the field. And admittedly that's enough to address 99% of the issues we are facing in this overweight culture.
So, no. A nutritionist will never put me to shame. They can only tell me what substrate metabolism aught to do. They will never be able to cater it to specific cases. They cannot cater profiles according to nutrient partitioning. They will not grant ideas on acetyle-COA pathways given substrate quality. Any undergrad bio major destroys all nutritionists by a mile. Once you cut into the cadavers in M2? Well you get the idea.
The original post was to alert people to the danger of eating 1200 calories a day. You recommend to consult a doctor based on my more MODEST, and SAFE recommendation of finding a better baseline? Absurd. Most doctors will tell you that eating 1200 calories a day is insane.
So...was it just a ploy to undermine my understanding of the subject, or did I really strike a personal chord? If so, I apologize, and let that be that.
Dude, don't flatter yourself. I'm just worried someone is going to listen to you and miss a serious medical condition. You think a nutritionist and people with medical degrees are over-glorified trainers? That's weird given that they have the ability to order tests and blood work ups and...you don't. You should really write a book-- "Lose Eight Pounds in Six Weeks" and see how that sells. I cannot fathom the ego you have to be so sure you're the best option. Absolute joke.0 -
I won't flatter anything! I didnt say ppl with med degrees are glorified PTs! I said...and i quote:
"nutritionists are basically glorified PTs". you can hold the title of nutritionist without having a degree in anything! That's so wrong..but it's so true.0 -
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I'm sure the original poster posted this with good intention, but it is medical advice and people should be seeing actual nutritionists and doctors. I don't understand why, when people post other medical questions in MFP, members are quick to urge them to get to a doctor. However, when calculating your daily nutritional needs, people are gobbling up the info of someone who, "obtained [a] NASM personal training certification, which was a breeze." What? That's as dull as merely following MFP's recommendations without question. This fellow took a thirty minute exam after a few months of studying. Most medical doctors only have mere hours of nutritional training and that's still significant compared to what he has. The mythical "Monica" could have had a thyroid disorder or, like I have, PCOS. These things alter your metabolisms so significantly that you need someone truly skilled in helping you find the right balance. You might even, as I have had to do, have to see internists as well.
If you're obese and looking for answers here, please stop. No, don't start at 1200. Don't start at 3000. Don't start without tests for diabetes, PCOS, Insulin Resistance, etc. "Monica" was rather lucky in this scenario, but it's hardly a case study; if you are obese or morbidly obese, there is a chance underlying conditions are helping you stay that way. You're going to feel better having medical clearance anyway when you want to begin exercise. For example, he had a six week period of Monica not loosing. Eventually she did again. We don't know how her diet's composition change. Did she alter carbs/fats/etc? Did she begin drinking more water? Taking supplements? How many people think 1200 isn't working and push on for six weeks without result? Not many. Yes, Monica seems to have had a decent amount of will power and a load of blind faith, but she could have very well had the same stall and restart at 1200, 1400, 1600, or 2000 calories. There are just too many factors to consider. She could have had more plateaus than he could have accounted for; what then?
Two things I find wrong about this kind of hostility:
1. I am a bio major. went through 2 years of med school, took all the orgo, chem, biochem, and associated classes, before deciding that 8 more years of school would put me into too much debt. for all educational purposes, I'm a doctor.
2. most doctors are contact of last resort. you don't see a doctor while you are gaining weight, you see them when you've gained too much weight that it threatens your health. most doctors will tell you to eat less. they have NO idea about the current studies and literature pertaining to human weight loss, performance nutrition, and optimal disease prevention....that is unless they keep up with peer reviewed studies. If they do...it's in the area of disease correction, instead of prevention. Although all doctors have fundamental knowledge of how to prevent disease, not all of them update their knowledge profiles bi monthly.
3. I exist in some grey space, outside of personal trainers who charge money, and oustide of doctors who know nothing about being "beach-ready". I exist to help. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you take it elsewhere.
Actually, as you pointed out, you are eight years of school away from being a doctor. A lot of stuff happens in eight years of education; I've learned that working on my own doctorate.
Doctor's don't and shouldn't have to be a last resort. I don't even get where you're saying that people don't see doctors while they are gaining weight. If people aren't getting regular physicals there are a lot of health problems they could be overlooking aside from obesity. Encouraging them to use you as a substitute isn't helping anyone. I'm also not sure your critical thinking skills are up to par. I clearly already outlined that people should see specialists in nutrition and internal medicine. I said myself that most doctors undergo only hours of nutritional training--but still they are more licensed and trained than you. That's a fact. Certainly a nutritionist would put you to shame.
And finally, you did not seriously just champion yourself for your knowledge of "beach ready" bodies? Yeah, I don't think a lot of doctors are marketing that...you know...because a beach ready body isn't the main indicator of health.
If you can't see the informative nature of my original response, where I even gave you the courtesy of saying you had good intentions, you're really off. This is a forum; it's a place of discussion. You have no need to be threatened. You seriously don't want obese and morbidly obese people to have a reminder to seek medical help, to find out if they have any underlying medical problems before jumping in to a diet? That's just negligence.
First of all a "nutritionist" is just a glorified personal trainer. They, at best retain the knowledge of their textbooks, with some or little further following of the continued science in the field. And admittedly that's enough to address 99% of the issues we are facing in this overweight culture.
So, no. A nutritionist will never put me to shame. They can only tell me what substrate metabolism aught to do. They will never be able to cater it to specific cases. They cannot cater profiles according to nutrient partitioning. They will not grant ideas on acetyle-COA pathways given substrate quality. Any undergrad bio major destroys all nutritionists by a mile. Once you cut into the cadavers in M2? Well you get the idea.
The original post was to alert people to the danger of eating 1200 calories a day. You recommend to consult a doctor based on my more MODEST, and SAFE recommendation of finding a better baseline? Absurd. Most doctors will tell you that eating 1200 calories a day is insane.
So...was it just a ploy to undermine my understanding of the subject, or did I really strike a personal chord? If so, I apologize, and let that be that.
But what about a nutritionist who gets a B.S. in bio undergrad degree and then pursues an MS/PHD in Nutrition
LOL I'm just messing. I totally agree with you. I'm getting a B.S. in Chemistry with a concentration in biochemistry and currently trying to figure out if I want to pursue a MS in Chemistry and then a Ph.D in nutrition, or a Ph.D in Chemistry....
Trust me, the PHD in Chem is going to be way more worth your while. You get the credibility of Chem and that's basically an umbrella degree for:
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I wish I could understand how some people survive on 1200 a day. This was an excellent read. Thank you for posting!0
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To lighten the mood... Hip-thrusting cats!
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Chiming in...
The OP's advice is sound. While is is long drawn out and does have a somewhat sense of flattering his self and his knowledge, it is still correct.
People arguing against him have honestly fielded the most absurd arguments I have heard here.
Suggesting that EVERYONE that EVER wants to lose ANY weight should be medically checked out first is absolutely ridiculous. It is the silliest piece of nonsense I have ever heard on MFP.
Arguing that since he lacks a specific degree in a related field does nothing. One does not need to be given a degree in order for one to know what they are talking about. Most people on MFP do not have mathematics degrees but still can claim to know how to add simple integers.
The TL;DR version of the OP's message:
Do not immediately go for the lowest possible calories you can. Ease your way into a sustainable caloric level that still achieves your weight loss goals.
I seriously cannot figure out how or why anyone would argue against this fine idea.0 -
Chiming in...
The OP's advice is sound. While is is long drawn out and does have a somewhat sense of flattering his self and his knowledge, it is still correct.
People arguing against him have honestly fielded the most absurd arguments I have heard here.
Suggesting that EVERYONE that EVER wants to lose ANY weight should be medically checked out first is absolutely ridiculous. It is the silliest piece of nonsense I have ever heard on MFP.
Arguing that since he lacks a specific degree in a related field does nothing. One does not need to be given a degree in order for one to know what they are talking about. Most people on MFP do not have mathematics degrees but still can claim to know how to add simple integers.
The TL;DR version of the OP's message:
Do not immediately go for the lowest possible calories you can. Ease your way into a sustainable caloric level that still achieves your weight loss goals.
I seriously cannot figure out how or why anyone would argue against this fine idea.
It was very clear that I was addressing obese and morbidly obese individuals. And they should indeed seek medical consult.0
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