Low carb dieters.. WHAT do you eat?!
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So much hate coming your way....
For STARTERS:
Glycemic load (GL) sweet potatoes is around 60 (for baked- it's less if boiled), and for pop tarts avg is 70...
Pop tarts have between 4 and 7 g fat per serving, while sweet potatoes have ZERO.
Sweet potatoes also contain more fiber, protein, and nutrients than pop tarts (although nutrients will not affect body composition per say, just overall health).
ANDDDDDD finally... 52 g of sweet potato (sorry, I changed your arbitrary amount to match the serving size of pop tart) is roughly 45 calories... while 52 g of pop tart, which is a serving, (blueberry in this case) contains 212 calories.
So.. no. You're just wrong all around on this one.
ETA: Dang it- I just realized you said 30g of carbs from sweet potatoes vs 30 g of carbs from pop-tarts, and not 30g wholistically.. BUT
the glucose response is variable between the two so they do have varying catabolism and thus, varying effects of body comp.0 -
Try telling diabetics that eating low carb is stupid, and unsustainable. Ask them if they plan to eat that way the rest of their life. I'm sure they will answer yes, as long as they want to stay healthy.
Would you ask someone that is allergic to peanuts, if they plan to not ever eat peanut butter again? Is it stupid that they have cut a specific food out of their diet? Is that not sustainable for life?
What is stupid, is people coming in, uneducated, making blanket statements bashing other people's choices in what they put in their body. And to try to cover it by saying they are just 'curious', is so passive-aggressive. If you are indeed 'curious', then try using this tool called Google and look it up. Educate yourself about a topic before you start bashing something that is a way of life for many people, either by choice or by medical necessity.
if the thread disturbed you so much why did you click on it and post?0 -
Oh and guess what, 30 grams of carbs from sweet potato and 30 grams of carbs from poptarts is the same thing in terms of effects to body composition. Can't wait to get so much hate for this.
really? I always thought that complex carbs were supposed to be superior..aka sweet potato....curious..0 -
Oh and guess what, 30 grams of carbs from sweet potato and 30 grams of carbs from poptarts is the same thing in terms of effects to body composition. Can't wait to get so much hate for this.
really? I always thought that complex carbs were supposed to be superior..aka sweet potato....curious..
Yeah.. he doesn't know what he's talking about with this. Just *ignore* that one.0 -
:sick: Hi, Low carb diets are very dangerous! I tried this and had lost weight but, I had developed a blood clot in my leg.
I could have had a stroke and died! but I was thin. I would have looked great on my death bed and in my coffin.
It's not a natural way to eat or live. Don't even think of trying this. It is very dangerous!0 -
:sick: Hi, Low carb diets are very dangerous! I tried this and had lost weight but, I had developed a blood clot in my leg.
I could have had a stroke and died! but I was thin. I would have looked great on my death bed and in my coffin.
It's not a natural way to eat or live. Don't even think of trying this. It is very dangerous!
...and you actually had a doctor tell you that said blood clot was caused by a low carb diet? Or are just just assuming that because they occurred close together that one led to the other?0 -
The Glycemic index is so flawed on sooo many levels that people should really stop using that to compare foods.0
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It's not going to make a difference. Your body is all going to turn it into glucose. Yes, it's good to have foods that are nutrient dense but telling me that I should be ignored is plain wrong.0
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I would show you pics of people that follow IIFYM, but you seem like the type that would just accuse them of being on steroids. I can show you studies on G.I proving that it's bogus.0
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Your body needs carbs for fuel with heavy exercise, that doesn't require knowledge of what a low diet carb consists of that's just fact.
Not according to top scientific peer reviewed research on nutritional science. The human body requires very few carbs at all. But hey, you want to follow mainstream mythology, whatever.
To name these "top scientific peer reviewed research" studies?...
Your body doesn't NEED carbs, correct. But prefers them as a source of fuel for intense training, such as weight lifting, HIIT, etc.
Your body prefers them because they convert to fat easier. Your physiology wants to store fat,however, this biology is exactly what we are trying to work against to lose weight.
Also, I am not citing any scientific sources for you. Google it yourself and maybe you will read them. I suggest JSTORE if you have a student account. Otherwise, google scholar is a great source for scholarly articles.
LOL you gotta love it when someone says "according to all the peer reviewed literature...' and then can't even cite said peer reviewed literature. If you were writing a research paper you of just received an F -
Yeah, I never sail "all" and I gave sources for someone to research themselves. I have been studying nutrition (specifically hormone responses to nutritional changes) for over a year. I have plenty of journal articles from around the world that confirm that very few carbs are required in human diets and that the body does convert sugars to energy or storage more easily than fat. It is all based on how much effort the body has to put into breaking down or rearranging molecules.
As for my "F". I am not writing a research paper for you. I do not have to cite anything. I gave a resource. Like I said, maybe if you chose to make the effort to find it yourself, you might actually read it. In the mean time, post some of your own scientific sources or stop being a pompous *kitten*.0 -
Most dietitians even think the G.I is flawed.0
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Let's be honest here. The only reason people do low carb is because they think that's the "only way to lose weight." I used to do that and I can't imagine ever going back to that. People that have the mentality "oh carbs cause an insulin response. If I remove them, it's impossible to store fat." Your body turns protein into glucose.
Actually the reason I eat low carb (under a doctor's supervision) is to stay off of insulin. I wore an insulin pump for many years and used over 100 units a day!! I wanted that to go away and it has.... If I eat over a certain amount at a time, my numbers will skyrocket. So, losing weight is one reason, but not the "only". BTW, I am losing weight and will have to eat this way forever.
P.S. I have an open diary and nothing to hide.0 -
Most dietitians even think the G.I is flawed.
The GI is actually VERY flawed- I said their glycemic RESPONSE.. as in the metabolic/physiological response to the specific foods.. is variable.
The Glycemic Index is called into question because it does NOT take enough into account- for instance- carrots are fairly high on the GI, but carrots only have a high enough GL to qualify for their level on the GI if someone eats an exorbitant amount of them. How many people sit down and eat an entire plate of carrots?
So yes, it is flawed, which accounts for the relative closeness of sweet potatoes to pop tarts on the GI (60:70)- thank you for your support of my argument.0 -
I imagine basically eggs and meat and not much else?
I eat 100-150grams carbs/day, and I get those from veg/fruit/nuts and occasionally some legumes. I don't know how I'd manage to do less than 50 without severly cutting back my veges.
I eat a primary plant based diet, stay low carb (under 30g). It isn't difficult when you cut unnecessary sugars out of your diet.
I eat at about 1400 cal/day and am fairly active with yoga and weightlifting.
^^Yes. I eat 1800-2000/day, and have never found it problematic staying low carb and eating a lot of veggies. You do realise the vast majority of veggies are very low in carbs, right? It's kind of ridiculous to imagine that people eating low carb are only eating plates of meat, haha. The vast majority of us are eating lots of veggies, and a bit of fruit here and there as well. Some of us consume whole dairy as well. :laugh:
Yay!! Thank you!0 -
It's not going to make a difference. Your body is all going to turn it into glucose. Yes, it's good to have foods that are nutrient dense but telling me that I should be ignored is plain wrong.
And I didn't tell you that you should be ignored.. I told someone else to ignore a blatantly ignorant statement that you made.
Back to the original statement- you cannot consume 30g of carbs from pop tart without consuming the rest of the crap that's in them... and yes it is all turned into glucose in the body, but at different rates. The rapid acquisition of glucose leads to fat anabolism... and yes, it pisses me off when people like you say things like that because I know what you're talking about.. and YOU know what you mean, but most people don't! Most people read something like that and jump to: nutritional quality doesn't matter. The hormonal responses to metabolic physiology play a huge factor in weight loss and energy metabolism.. and it's not fair to give people some skewed version of the story and leave them hanging.0 -
Like we said before, if it's medically necessary, then do what your doctor said.0
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I don't do low carb, never could but my Dad does and he's lost 100 pounds doing it.
He eats: Steak, Chicken, Cheese, Hamburger, Broccoli, Nuts, Pork, Eggs, Protein Powder, Caesar Salad, Roast Beef, Fish ,Bacon and Atkins bars
Pretty much all meat and veggies never anything like bread, rice or pasta. Boring as hell if you ask me. And I always worry about the amount of fat he's eating. I think you're better off just finding a balance. It works better for a lot of people. Eliminating entire food groups and stuff is really hard.
My Dad has been doing it for a few years now but it's also partially BC he doesn't really LIKE foods that are higher carb as much. He prefer thing like steak. He was never much of a rice and potatoes kind of guy so he isn't missing out.
I love carbs so I'd never give them up. I like not giving up anything at all0 -
Everyone's different. For example, I couldn't get by on your levels of protein, my god, you're not even tracking it. You can't do without your carbs - other people can't do without their protein and fat - get over it.0
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It's not your job or my job to educate the world... but you know better (at least I think you do) so why mislead them with crap statements like that?0
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I'm not misleading anyone. That is why I said it's fine to eat "poptarts" as long as you are getting nutrient dense food. I said it because it's true. People think you have to eat brown rice and salads all day to lose weight.0
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I've been eating relatively low carb for two years and working out quite regularly. No, it hasn't been an issue and if it was, i would do something different. No big deal. Just because it works for me doesn't give me the expectation that it should work for anyone else.
As far as i'm concerned, anybody who consistently watches what they eat and stays fit is way ahead of the curve no matter how they do it.0 -
I am on a DR ordered Low Carb Diet because my body does not process carbs as it should do to an insoline resistant condition called PCOS. But I still get between 120 and 160 grams of carbs, I get my carbs from Vegetables, Fruit, and whole grains that are low on the Glycemic Index such as Quinoa, Whole Wheat Couscous, Farro, and on a limited basis whole wheat pasta and brown rice.0
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Yeah it may lead to fat anabolism, but your body is storing fat and going into fat stores all day. As long as your are in a net fat oxidizing state at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you choose a poptart over sweet potato.It's not going to make a difference. Your body is all going to turn it into glucose. Yes, it's good to have foods that are nutrient dense but telling me that I should be ignored is plain wrong.
And I didn't tell you that you should be ignored.. I told someone else to ignore a blatantly ignorant statement that you made.
Back to the original statement- you cannot consume 30g of carbs from pop tart without consuming the rest of the crap that's in them... and yes it is all turned into glucose in the body, but at different rates. The rapid acquisition of glucose leads to fat anabolism... and yes, it pisses me off when people like you say things like that because I know what you're talking about.. and YOU know what you mean, but most people don't! Most people read something like that and jump to: nutritional quality doesn't matter. The hormonal responses to metabolic physiology play a huge factor in weight loss and energy metabolism.. and it's not fair to give people some skewed version of the story and leave them hanging.0 -
That is why I said in terms of body composition. Flexible dieting makes life a lot easier for people.0
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Most dietitians even think the G.I is flawed.
The GI is actually VERY flawed- I said their glycemic RESPONSE.. as in the metabolic/physiological response to the specific foods.. is variable.
The Glycemic Index is called into question because it does NOT take enough into account- for instance- carrots are fairly high on the GI, but carrots only have a high enough GL to qualify for their level on the GI if someone eats an exorbitant amount of them. How many people sit down and eat an entire plate of carrots?
So yes, it is flawed, which accounts for the relative closeness of sweet potatoes to pop tarts on the GI (60:70)- thank you for your support of my argument.
Lol
Diaz EO et. al. Glycaemic index effects on fuel partitioning in humans. Obes Rev. (2006) 7:219-26.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2006.00225.x/full
Summary
The purpose of this review was to examine the role of glycaemic index in fuel partitioning and body composition with emphasis on fat oxidation/storage in humans. This relationship is based on the hypothesis postulating that a higher serum glucose and insulin response induced by high-glycaemic carbohydrates promotes lower fat oxidation and higher fat storage in comparison with low-glycaemic carbohydrates. Thus, high-glycaemic index meals could contribute to the maintenance of excess weight in obese individuals and/or predispose obesity-prone subjects to weight gain. Several studies comparing the effects of meals with contrasting glycaemic carbohydrates for hours, days or weeks have failed to demonstrate any differential effect on fuel partitioning when either substrate oxidation or body composition measurements were performed. Apparently, the glycaemic index-induced serum insulin differences are not sufficient in magnitude and/or duration to modify fuel oxidation.
Long-term effects of 2 energy-restricted diets differing in glycemic load on dietary adherence, body composition, and metabolism in CALERIE: a 1-y randomized controlled trial
http://www.ajcn.org/content/85/4/1023.abstract?ijkey=57903af923cb2fcdc065ffd37b00a32e22f4c5cf&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha
Conclusions:These findings provide more detailed evidence to suggest that diets differing substantially in glycemic load induce comparable long-term weight loss.
Reduced glycemic index and glycemic load diets do not increase the effects of energy restriction on weight loss and insulin sensitivity in obese men and women.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16177201
In summary, lowering the glycemic load and glycemic index of weight reduction diets does not provide any added benefit to energy restriction in promoting weight loss in obese subjects.0 -
you really should do a little research before you ask questions with disclaimers......
some of us ( type 2 diabetics) cant handle carbs.....our bodies are all different....some people can handle a LCHF (low carb, high fat)
diet and lose unbelievable weight...
me...i lost 130 pounds in 7 months... I am also type 2 diabetic...so low carb high fat works...FAT DOES NOT MAKE YOU FAT....
carbs that turn to sugar and glucose in your body does.....
I find the GOOGLE is a great resource...try it!0 -
I'm not misleading anyone. That is why I said it's fine to eat "poptarts" as long as you are getting nutrient dense food. I said it because it's true. People think you have to eat brown rice and salads all day to lose weight.
"30 g carbs from pop tarts and 30 g of carbs from sweet potatoes are the same thing when it comes to body composition". No truth to that. If you're talking about isolating identical amounts of glucose from both of those sources and feeding THAT to people, then yes.. but fibrous content and TYPE of STARCH from which the glucose is sourced plays a role in how it is metabolized and where it ends up- COMPOUNDED by the accompanying foods/nutrients that are being consumed (in the case of the pop tart- FAT and JUNK)... an excess of glucose (from ANY source) is stored if not utilized or unnecessary for current energy needs.. but that doesn't lessen the falsity of the statement. 30 g carbs from pop tarts and 30 g carbs from sweet potato are not the SAME- not in terms of body composition, not in terms of energy balance, just NOT.
And you are right in saying people don't need to eat brown rice and salads all day to lose weight.. weight loss is calories in versus calories out... a negative energy balance equals weight loss. It's FAR more complicated than that metabolically, but yeah.0 -
I aim for 25% carbs in my diet. Almost all comes from veggies and fruit which I prob get 5-6 servings of a day (keep trying to get more) and some dairy. My fat sources are primarily meats and MUFAs. I agree that low carb is not for everyone but I have no problem getting plenty of calories and I have PCOS and IR (diagnosed- not guessing or assuming). I did Atkins induction once. The first few days sucked but didn't bother me after that. BUT, I have never been able to do induction again. This is the first time that eliminating grains has been easy cause I never tried for ketosis- I just stuck to no grains and starches and no withdrawals. And, if I feel like cheating, I'll have that bite of bread or a rare dessert. If I want a grain after a workout, I usually actually have a moroccan chickpea lentil soup that I make and freeze. I'm not against having whole grains; but, I have yet to miss them and starchy carbs are, in fact, not the best ever for a pre-diabetic.
We should all do what works for us. i imagine if and when I get to the point of heavy lifting or running marathons, I will reconsider adding more grains to my diet.0 -
Thank you.0
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