Sodium? - is it important to meet the target set
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That would be water weight and is more about electrolyte balance. It has nothing to do with fat loss. If there is too much sodium and electrolytes are out of balance it would mask fat loss but not prevent it. Sodium intake is of only minor importance for most people.I've noticed that my friends that complain that they're not losing weight despite the fact that they're watching what their calorie intake and exercising are going waaaay over their daily recommended sodium intake. As soon as they start adding that into equation, the weight starts to come off easier. Try to stay at or below 2,500 daily. Sodium keeps you bloated. Read ALL food labels! Sodium intake is VERY important!0 -
dont go over it. under = good, over = bad. not much else to sayit makes sence to be under sodium but why does it state so high, from what i have read (so far) people seem to say that you should try and reach the macros stated. Very confused
Bad in what way? Assuming you don't suffer from hypertension or have another medical condition that would warrant you to be mindful of sodium, it is nothing to really worry about
That's not really what the science shows. There was once a lot more room for controversary in the world of nutrition science over the role of sodium, but there is now pretty conclusive evidence that too much sodium increases risk of heart disease.0 -
High sodium intake (folks can vary slightly on what is high) can (genetics aside) lead to high blood pressure which can lead to heart disease OVER THE LONG HAUL.
I tried the low sodium foods from the supermarket. Went from 300% of RDA to 200% of RDA.
Started making selected foods (typically high sodium) myself, leaving out added salt. I make bread, waffles, bagels, chicken soup, chili myself to address the sodium content. Overall diet went to around 100% of RDA for sodium.
I don't have nor haven't had high blood pressure. But now that I am 60....I started to worry a little. You've had replies from young, fit people saying sodium had not been a problem for them, so they ignore it. I wonder what their answers about not being a problem will be once they are much older, and taking blood pressure medication......or worse suffering the consequences (e.g. heart attack etc.).
Side benefit.......I'm saving about 50% on the cost of the foods I make. The convenience of getting pre-made (some call it processed) food has a price you pay later in life and a current money hit. Why do food processors put so much salt in their products? Because we crave salt. It use to be relatively hard to get in the diet. Now.....its hard to avoid. Again, I realized I had to make my own selected foods (just the high salt ones) if I was going to avoid the future blood pressure problems.
P.S.-I make these foods up in big batches, and either freeze (e.g. bread) or can (e.g. chili) the final product. Thus, I only have to commit about 8 hours every 3 months to cooking.
P.P.S.-As an apprentice cook, my wife benefits in that I have to clean up my own messes, and that also means lots of elbow grease cleaning the oven and stove top of baked on carbon. So.....my salt is in line.......and I get some points with the Mrs.
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dont go over it. under = good, over = bad. not much else to sayit makes sence to be under sodium but why does it state so high, from what i have read (so far) people seem to say that you should try and reach the macros stated. Very confused
Bad in what way? Assuming you don't suffer from hypertension or have another medical condition that would warrant you to be mindful of sodium, it is nothing to really worry about
That's not really what the science shows. There was once a lot more room for controversary in the world of nutrition science over the role of sodium, but there is now pretty conclusive evidence that too much sodium increases risk of heart disease.
C'mon! Don't you know better than this yet? Proof source?? Where is the evidence you claim? (I hope you have more here than on the too much protein thread!)0 -
Under1500 is recommended for people over 500
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dont go over it. under = good, over = bad. not much else to sayit makes sence to be under sodium but why does it state so high, from what i have read (so far) people seem to say that you should try and reach the macros stated. Very confused
Bad in what way? Assuming you don't suffer from hypertension or have another medical condition that would warrant you to be mindful of sodium, it is nothing to really worry about
That's not really what the science shows. There was once a lot more room for controversary in the world of nutrition science over the role of sodium, but there is now pretty conclusive evidence that too much sodium increases risk of heart disease.
C'mon! Don't you know better than this yet? Proof source?? Where is the evidence you claim? (I hope you have more here than on the too much protein thread!)
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/salt-and-sodium-debate/
Tell how, why, we should believe you have more experience or knowledge in nutrition science than the experts at Harvard, and then we'll have a rational discussion. Otherwise, go troll pubmed for a cherry picked rebuttal.0 -
Depends on your blood pressure. Some people need to limit their sodium (my dad has high blood pressure so he has to limit his intake) , others need to make sure they get enough salt (my boyfriend's sister would have fainting spells if she didn't have enough salt that day).0
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Here is a link that will give you more info on sodium intake, what's healthy and why.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/4734-need-recommended-daily-sodium-intake/
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ok fine. go over it by 5000 units, see if i care or give a rats *kitten* about the pendanticness of this forum at times.
dont go over it. under = good, over = bad. not much else to sayit makes sence to be under sodium but why does it state so high, from what i have read (so far) people seem to say that you should try and reach the macros stated. Very confused
Bad in what way? Assuming you don't suffer from hypertension or have another medical condition that would warrant you to be mindful of sodium, it is nothing to really worry about
im trying to lay it out for the OP in simple terms. she asked a question, i provided the answer.0 -
dont go over it. under = good, over = bad. not much else to sayit makes sence to be under sodium but why does it state so high, from what i have read (so far) people seem to say that you should try and reach the macros stated. Very confused
Bad in what way? Assuming you don't suffer from hypertension or have another medical condition that would warrant you to be mindful of sodium, it is nothing to really worry about
That's not really what the science shows. There was once a lot more room for controversary in the world of nutrition science over the role of sodium, but there is now pretty conclusive evidence that too much sodium increases risk of heart disease.
C'mon! Don't you know better than this yet? Proof source?? Where is the evidence you claim? (I hope you have more here than on the too much protein thread!)
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/salt-and-sodium-debate/
Tell how, why, we should believe you have more experience or knowledge in nutrition science than the experts at Harvard, and then we'll have a rational discussion. Otherwise, go troll pubmed for a cherry picked rebuttal.
Didn't say I did. Just would think that by now you should be able to do better than making unsupported statements but you seem to learn slowly in that regard.
PS: Is there any other source you know of other than Harvard?0 -
Hey there!
I think its safe to say that eating the proper amount of sodium in a day is nearly impossible for everyone. I have two suggestions that might help you offset your sodium levels. Eat fresh! Avoid eating out and processed foods as much as possible. Eating fresh, whole foods have less sodium in them, and you'll see that reflected in your diary. I also recommend achieving your potassium RDA's for potassium. Potassium works with sodium to keep you hydrated, and I have heard it offsets excess amounts of sodium in your system.
One more thing. I don't think sodium is a macronutrient but a micronutrient. I was told that macronutrients make up your cal. :Carbs, Fats, and Protein.
I hope this helps.0 -
I believe that anywhere between 1,500 and 2,300 is the recommended amount. High blood pressure runs in my family so I focused on keeping my sodium low for a while but I was eating a little below 1,500 and my blood pressure lowered a lot, to the point that it was borderline too low, so I make sure now to stay within the 1,500-2,000 range and drink a lot of water if I go over.0
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dont go over it. under = good, over = bad. not much else to sayit makes sence to be under sodium but why does it state so high, from what i have read (so far) people seem to say that you should try and reach the macros stated. Very confused
Bad in what way? Assuming you don't suffer from hypertension or have another medical condition that would warrant you to be mindful of sodium, it is nothing to really worry about
That's not really what the science shows. There was once a lot more room for controversary in the world of nutrition science over the role of sodium, but there is now pretty conclusive evidence that too much sodium increases risk of heart disease.
C'mon! Don't you know better than this yet? Proof source?? Where is the evidence you claim? (I hope you have more here than on the too much protein thread!)
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/salt-and-sodium-debate/
Tell how, why, we should believe you have more experience or knowledge in nutrition science than the experts at Harvard, and then we'll have a rational discussion. Otherwise, go troll pubmed for a cherry picked rebuttal.
Didn't say I did. Just would think that by now you should be able to do better than making unsupported statements but you seem to learn slowly in that regard.
PS: Is there any other source you know of other than Harvard?
What are you two even arguing about. I thought everyone knew that long term consumption of excess sodium will lead to hypertension and bone loss. Take a basic nutrition course. YEESH!0 -
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/5/1013.abstract?sid=b8bc6758-886d-4bc3-a82e-05818078a324
Quote from abstract:
"With a myriad of data from observational studies and randomized, controlled trials, we have the information to finally put sodium into its correct context in terms of its role in the regulation of blood pressure and hypertension. Not the sole and pervasive dietary villain it was once believed to be, sodium is but one factor in the complex interplay of multiple, inextricably related regulatory systems of which hypertension is the end result."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22914535
Quote from abstract:
"CONCLUSION:
Compared with a normal sodium diet, a low sodium diet significantly increases morbidity and mortality in systolic HF."
The point being that electrolyte balance is key and a low sodium diet is not better than a high one. Balance in all things. Guess it's not that cut and dry.
PS: Who knows the difference between a study and an article? Bueller? Anyone??0 -
dont go over it. under = good, over = bad. not much else to sayit makes sence to be under sodium but why does it state so high, from what i have read (so far) people seem to say that you should try and reach the macros stated. Very confused
Bad in what way? Assuming you don't suffer from hypertension or have another medical condition that would warrant you to be mindful of sodium, it is nothing to really worry about
That's not really what the science shows. There was once a lot more room for controversary in the world of nutrition science over the role of sodium, but there is now pretty conclusive evidence that too much sodium increases risk of heart disease.
C'mon! Don't you know better than this yet? Proof source?? Where is the evidence you claim? (I hope you have more here than on the too much protein thread!)
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/salt-and-sodium-debate/
Tell how, why, we should believe you have more experience or knowledge in nutrition science than the experts at Harvard, and then we'll have a rational discussion. Otherwise, go troll pubmed for a cherry picked rebuttal.
Didn't say I did. Just would think that by now you should be able to do better than making unsupported statements but you seem to learn slowly in that regard.
PS: Is there any other source you know of other than Harvard?
Yes, but none as knowledgeable or reputable.0 -
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/5/1013.abstract?sid=b8bc6758-886d-4bc3-a82e-05818078a324
Quote from abstract:
"With a myriad of data from observational studies and randomized, controlled trials, we have the information to finally put sodium into its correct context in terms of its role in the regulation of blood pressure and hypertension. Not the sole and pervasive dietary villain it was once believed to be, sodium is but one factor in the complex interplay of multiple, inextricably related regulatory systems of which hypertension is the end result."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22914535
Quote from abstract:
"CONCLUSION:
Compared with a normal sodium diet, a low sodium diet significantly increases morbidity and mortality in systolic HF."
The point being that electrolyte balance is key and a low sodium diet is not better than a high one. Balance in all things. Guess it's not that cut and dry.
PS: Who knows the difference between a study and an article? Bueller? Anyone??
Do you beleive these 2 studies are the only studies done on dietary sodium? If not, why do you think these 2 are more important or more definitive than others?0 -
dont go over it. under = good, over = bad. not much else to sayit makes sence to be under sodium but why does it state so high, from what i have read (so far) people seem to say that you should try and reach the macros stated. Very confused
Bad in what way? Assuming you don't suffer from hypertension or have another medical condition that would warrant you to be mindful of sodium, it is nothing to really worry about
That's not really what the science shows. There was once a lot more room for controversary in the world of nutrition science over the role of sodium, but there is now pretty conclusive evidence that too much sodium increases risk of heart disease.
C'mon! Don't you know better than this yet? Proof source?? Where is the evidence you claim? (I hope you have more here than on the too much protein thread!)
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/salt-and-sodium-debate/
Tell how, why, we should believe you have more experience or knowledge in nutrition science than the experts at Harvard, and then we'll have a rational discussion. Otherwise, go troll pubmed for a cherry picked rebuttal.
Didn't say I did. Just would think that by now you should be able to do better than making unsupported statements but you seem to learn slowly in that regard.
PS: Is there any other source you know of other than Harvard?
Yes, but none as knowledgeable or reputable.
I understand that is your belief. Like many of your beliefs, it is not grounded in fact but in your own suppostiion.0 -
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/5/1013.abstract?sid=b8bc6758-886d-4bc3-a82e-05818078a324
Quote from abstract:
"With a myriad of data from observational studies and randomized, controlled trials, we have the information to finally put sodium into its correct context in terms of its role in the regulation of blood pressure and hypertension. Not the sole and pervasive dietary villain it was once believed to be, sodium is but one factor in the complex interplay of multiple, inextricably related regulatory systems of which hypertension is the end result."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22914535
Quote from abstract:
"CONCLUSION:
Compared with a normal sodium diet, a low sodium diet significantly increases morbidity and mortality in systolic HF."
The point being that electrolyte balance is key and a low sodium diet is not better than a high one. Balance in all things. Guess it's not that cut and dry.
PS: Who knows the difference between a study and an article? Bueller? Anyone??
Do you beleive these 2 studies are the only studies done on dietary sodium? If not, why do you think these 2 are more important or more definitive than others?
If you have othes you would like to post, feel free. These were at the top of list, meaning most recent, when I searched these sites. I think they are more definitive than your article. I come into this with no preformed conclusion but let the data indicate what the facts may be. You might want to try it sometime.0 -
What are you two even arguing about. I thought everyone knew that long term consumption of excess sodium will lead to hypertension and bone loss. Take a basic nutrition course. YEESH!
Read the thread. Obviously you thought wrong. And your post should say "can" lead to... Consuming too much sodium doesn't guarantee health problems, but it does raise your risk.0 -
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/5/1013.abstract?sid=b8bc6758-886d-4bc3-a82e-05818078a324
Quote from abstract:
"With a myriad of data from observational studies and randomized, controlled trials, we have the information to finally put sodium into its correct context in terms of its role in the regulation of blood pressure and hypertension. Not the sole and pervasive dietary villain it was once believed to be, sodium is but one factor in the complex interplay of multiple, inextricably related regulatory systems of which hypertension is the end result."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22914535
Quote from abstract:
"CONCLUSION:
Compared with a normal sodium diet, a low sodium diet significantly increases morbidity and mortality in systolic HF."
The point being that electrolyte balance is key and a low sodium diet is not better than a high one. Balance in all things. Guess it's not that cut and dry.
PS: Who knows the difference between a study and an article? Bueller? Anyone??
Do you beleive these 2 studies are the only studies done on dietary sodium? If not, why do you think these 2 are more important or more definitive than others?
If you have othes you would like to post, feel free. These were at the top of list, meaning most recent, when I searched these sites. I think they are more definitive than your article. I come into this with no preformed conclusion but let the data indicate what the facts may be. You might want to try it sometime.
I'm certainly not going to search for every study on dietary sodium ever performed and post it here. And without the full body of data how could any conclusion drawn be taken seriously?
There are more than 2 studies referenced on my HSPH link above. Why do you discount those?
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it makes sence to be under sodium but why does it state so high, from what i have read (so far) people seem to say that you should try and reach the macros stated. Very confused
First off, sodium isn't a macro...it is a micro nutrient. It is an important mineral that your body needs...however, too much leads to water retention and bloating among other things. For people like me who are hypertensive, it makes us feel like our hearts our going to explode out of our chests if we over consume sodium. If you don't have issues with blood pressure, it's not too much of a concern other than the water retention.
Secondly, you can manually change your goals. MFP's macro settings and micro settings aren't gospel. In fact, I think their default macro settings are rather sucky. You can adjust things to meet whatever goal you need to meet. For example, mine are 40c/30p/30f for my macros. The only micros I watch are sodium, which I have adjusted to 2,000 mg and saturated fats which I try to keep at or below the DV due to cholesterol issues.0 -
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/5/1013.abstract?sid=b8bc6758-886d-4bc3-a82e-05818078a324
Quote from abstract:
"With a myriad of data from observational studies and randomized, controlled trials, we have the information to finally put sodium into its correct context in terms of its role in the regulation of blood pressure and hypertension. Not the sole and pervasive dietary villain it was once believed to be, sodium is but one factor in the complex interplay of multiple, inextricably related regulatory systems of which hypertension is the end result."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22914535
Quote from abstract:
"CONCLUSION:
Compared with a normal sodium diet, a low sodium diet significantly increases morbidity and mortality in systolic HF."
The point being that electrolyte balance is key and a low sodium diet is not better than a high one. Balance in all things. Guess it's not that cut and dry.
PS: Who knows the difference between a study and an article? Bueller? Anyone??
Do you beleive these 2 studies are the only studies done on dietary sodium? If not, why do you think these 2 are more important or more definitive than others?
If you have othes you would like to post, feel free. These were at the top of list, meaning most recent, when I searched these sites. I think they are more definitive than your article. I come into this with no preformed conclusion but let the data indicate what the facts may be. You might want to try it sometime.
I'm certainly not going to search for every study on dietary sodium ever performed and post it here. And without the full body of data how could any conclusion drawn be taken seriously?
There are more than 2 studies referenced on my HBSPH link above. Why do you discount those?
lol There weren't any, they just refered to 3. No links. Why do you disount the ACTAUL STUDIES I posted? Don't want to be confused by data that doesn't line up with your preformed opinion?0 -
What are you two even arguing about. I thought everyone knew that long term consumption of excess sodium will lead to hypertension and bone loss. Take a basic nutrition course. YEESH!
Read the thread. Obviously you thought wrong. And your post should say "can" lead to... Consuming too much sodium doesn't guarantee health problems, but it does raise your risk.
I apologise, I mispoke. But that doesn't excuse you for being a nasty person. I didn't publish a journal on the topic. I just added some input to what is supposed to be a friendly social network post. We're supposed to exchange usefull information and not cut eachother down. What is wrong with you?0 -
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/5/1013.abstract?sid=b8bc6758-886d-4bc3-a82e-05818078a324
Quote from abstract:
"With a myriad of data from observational studies and randomized, controlled trials, we have the information to finally put sodium into its correct context in terms of its role in the regulation of blood pressure and hypertension. Not the sole and pervasive dietary villain it was once believed to be, sodium is but one factor in the complex interplay of multiple, inextricably related regulatory systems of which hypertension is the end result."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22914535
Quote from abstract:
"CONCLUSION:
Compared with a normal sodium diet, a low sodium diet significantly increases morbidity and mortality in systolic HF."
The point being that electrolyte balance is key and a low sodium diet is not better than a high one. Balance in all things. Guess it's not that cut and dry.
PS: Who knows the difference between a study and an article? Bueller? Anyone??
Do you beleive these 2 studies are the only studies done on dietary sodium? If not, why do you think these 2 are more important or more definitive than others?
If you have othes you would like to post, feel free. These were at the top of list, meaning most recent, when I searched these sites. I think they are more definitive than your article. I come into this with no preformed conclusion but let the data indicate what the facts may be. You might want to try it sometime.
I'm certainly not going to search for every study on dietary sodium ever performed and post it here. And without the full body of data how could any conclusion drawn be taken seriously?
There are more than 2 studies referenced on my HBSPH link above. Why do you discount those?
lol There weren't any, they just refered to 3. No links. Why do you disount the ACTAUL STUDIES I posted? Don't want to be confused by data that doesn't line up with your preformed opinion?
I don't discount any studies that have been validated through peer review. Disagreeing results is a natural part of science, which is why it's pointless to look to only a couple as "proof" of anything. Or to believe that a study "disproves" all previous studies just because it had a different conclusion. It makes about as much as sense as having 4 doctors tell you that you have cancer, then getting a 5th opinion that says you don't and saying "Whew! Thank goodness I don't have cancer."
It really is best to find experts in the field who study and present conclusions on all data available, and who have no government or industrial agenda. But if you want to stick with those two, that is certainly your prerogative.0 -
What are you two even arguing about. I thought everyone knew that long term consumption of excess sodium will lead to hypertension and bone loss. Take a basic nutrition course. YEESH!
Read the thread. Obviously you thought wrong. And your post should say "can" lead to... Consuming too much sodium doesn't guarantee health problems, but it does raise your risk.
I apologise, I mispoke. But that doesn't excuse you for being a nasty person. I didn't publish a journal on the topic. I just added some input to what is supposed to be a friendly social network post. We're supposed to exchange usefull information and not cut eachother down. What is wrong with you?
That's a debatable subject (what's wrong with me) and would hijack the thread, which is against the rules. I wasn't trying to be mean. In fact, I thought your reply suggesting we all needed nutrition classes was pretty mean, but perhaps that just a result of whatever is wrong with me. :ohwell:0 -
I read your threads. You're a nasty person. Whatever knowledge you have accumulated while pursuing your goals will be muted. No one likes to be condescended to, so take your hang ups and abuse someone else somewhere else. This is a community, and if you don't like your community, you should probably leave.0
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I read your threads. You're a nasty person. Whatever knowledge you have accumulated while pursuing your goals will be muted. No one likes to be condescended to, so take your hang ups and abuse someone else somewhere else. This is a community, and if you don't like your community, you should probably leave.
Eh, sorry you feel that way. I've never been purposely nasty or abusive that I can remember, but I do give my opinion.0 -
dont go over it. under = good, over = bad. not much else to sayit makes sence to be under sodium but why does it state so high, from what i have read (so far) people seem to say that you should try and reach the macros stated. Very confused
Bad in what way? Assuming you don't suffer from hypertension or have another medical condition that would warrant you to be mindful of sodium, it is nothing to really worry about
Agreed... I have never once worried about sodium, let alone tracked it and it hasn't hurt my weight loss or atleast I don't think it has... I just drink my fair share of water.... Best of Luck
I saw how much weight you have lost and clicked into your blog and HOLY CRAP! I'm going to believe what you say. You know what you are doing when is comes to weight loss. You are amazing!0
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