What's crossfit ?
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The concept of Crossfit is very good and has been around long before someone coined the name 'Crossfit.' In practice, I have never seen it done safely. Things like rotator cuff tears, achille tendon ruptures, and stitches in the shin are common place in most boxes. Teaching a mid age women to barbell snatch in one session is not only unsafe, it's also completely pointless.
I also despise the elitism and cult feel most CFer put off. Exercise is exercise, 95% of people could careless how many box jumps you did in 5 minutes.
With that being said, it is by far the best group class you'll find. It just has a much higher risk factor involved with it.0 -
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sedentary individuals face little if any risk because their body cannot handle the workload necessary to injure themselves.
Did you want to think about this part again?
im sorry but whoever wrote that top comment is an idiot. i see your train of thought and its incorrect. What you are attempting to say is that a person that doesnt workout does no have the capacity to injure themselves because they merely dont have the strength to do so....i guess this theory works for example if someone needed a resistance of 50lbs to hurt themselves but only could lift 40lbs then they would be safe because of lack of hypertrophy and lack of full muscle recruitment......UNFORTUNATELY this is far to simplistic for the REAL world. Guess what in reality if you dont work out your muscles ATROPHY, and when your muscles atrophy things like your posture and joint stability start to dwindle. Accompanying this downward spiral you wont have as much muscle which means you burn less cals thoughout the day, this leads to excess amounts of fat that are stored as adipose, which again puts more constant stress on your heart, lungs, kidneys,joints,and suppresses your immune.With all that muscle atrophy causing severe weakness something as simple as lifting a fairly light object off the floor could put enough stress on your muscles to tear, abdominal weakness could cause inguinal,naval,or multiple hernias, weakness or your erector spinae would could excess pressure on your intervertebral discs and cause herniations there. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD WAY TO LIVE TO YOU. STOP TRYING TO SPREAD IGNORANCE.
It's a defense of the kip and addresses the fear that a properly executed crossfit exercise causes injury, especially considering the programming designed for sedentary adults is typically extremely low weight or body weight exercise. My argument above is that the dangers faced by athletes unaccustomed to crossfit are not present for people just starting their training.0 -
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Crossfit is basically just high intensity, short duration circuit training workouts conducted using very basic equipment such as traditional weights, kettlebells, medicine balls, sandbags, and jump ropes. Nothing high tech. The workouts, referred to as WODs, revolve around performing multiple high-rep sets of strength and/or power exercises with minimal rest. It gets results but is highly criticized because certain exercises they prescribe--such as the kipping pullup--are very injury prone due to the fact that the stress they place on the joints, even when done with proper form, is simply too much.0
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I have been lifting for years, checked out crossfit because it looked fun.
I think overall it's a good program to build overall fitness.
I think part of the problem is there is a lot of variation between gyms and the quality of coaching can be pretty wide. Some are trying to cater to more the powder puff crowd and some are catering more to serious athletes.
Most of the gyms that are pumping out the stereotypical crassfitters that peeople make fun of are that way because they are run by crappy coaches. Crossfit organization often have seminars on lifting that coaches should take that are taught by Mark Rippetoe who is one of the best strength coaches in the world. So you will come across some coaches and gyms that teach great technque and others that are more interested in being able to say I can do X pullups than they are about the form they are done in.0 -
Biggest problem with it is the cost.
LOL @ $100/month Crossfit box. 'Round these parts $200-$250/month is more likely. That's just a silly amount to spend to go work out a few times a week.
Kipping pullups have their use. Anti-kipping and strict dead hangs is more the language of pullup noobs (in order to get into a dead hang you have to drop the tension in your lats, this is akin to doing "strict" pushups that include lying down on the floor each rep). I used to be very anti-kipping and have never been a fan of Crossfit, but learning to do a bar muslce-up has been very humbling (FYI, doing pullups dead hang as opposed to natural (natural =/= purposeful kipping) is nothing special at all, it reduces your rep numbers more than anything, doesn't actually make you stronger, chest to bar, THAT separates the men from the boys, not dead hanging).
Learning to kip (which is actually quite difficult, its a fairly technical skill) when you can pull >+75lbs from a dead hang in order to learn to do a muscle up is a bit of a kick in the nuts to your pride.
Yup, ^this...
...and I'm not just saying that because he's on my FL.
:checks FL:
Er, I mean, *used to be* on my FL.
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I have been lifting for years, checked out crossfit because it looked fun.
I think overall it's a good program to build overall fitness.
I think part of the problem is there is a lot of variation between gyms and the quality of coaching can be pretty wide. Some are trying to cater to more the powder puff crowd and some are catering more to serious athletes.
Most of the gyms that are pumping out the stereotypical crassfitters that peeople make fun of are that way because they are run by crappy coaches. Crossfit organization often have seminars on lifting that coaches should take that are taught by Mark Rippetoe who is one of the best strength coaches in the world. So you will come across some coaches and gyms that teach great technque and others that are more interested in being able to say I can do X pullups than they are about the form they are done in.
I think this is pretty well put. There are two kinds of gym owners. The ones that take it seriously, take technique seriously, and take form seriously. Then there are others that Just want to supply classes to the mass markets and teach anyone they can so they can get their money and have a successful business. Because lets face it. If your job is to be a CrossFit trainer, having 30 clients paying you 150 a month just isn't going to cut it unless you live at your box...
And just because someone does CrossFit, doesn't make them any better or worse than anyone else. If you don't like it then fine! Good for you for having an opinion. But don't go crucifying everyone else that doesn't work out the exact same way that you do... Lets grow up people! I think that Contingencyplan said it pretty well. It seems to me that he doesn't really agree with CrossFit as a whole, but at least in his argument against it he acted like an educated adult about it... Well played sir.0 -
How do you know someone does Crossfit? Don't worry, they will tell you.....
Really? None of my friends know I've started crossfit. I don't see the need to tell them if they're not asking. I don't talk to them about running either. Aren't you stereotyping crossfitters this way?0 -
I don't care what people think about crossfit, I was just surprised at the negative responses since I'm enjoying it so much! Bet to each his own, right?
Fanaticism breeds fanaticism. Many Crossfitters treat it as the greatest thing ever in life, the universe, and everything; thus those that don't care for it have to oppose it as if it is the worst thing ever in the life, universe, and everything.
Same as how the Crossfitter diet, Paleo, has a cult-like following that preaches the good word about how it is better than sliced bread and the cure of all the maladies of man, thus pretty much everyone who doesn't do the paleo diet ends up with vile revulsion for all things paleo and its followers. The rhetoric leaves you with only two opions, love or hate, indifference isn't really on the table.
Uhm.. I see the same thing with weightlifting and eating protein. And with cycling and carbohydrates. There are fanatics everywhere, in every sport, religion or politic preference.
Still doesnt mean I have to love or hate any of it. I can keep an open mind. To each his own. I think its a wonderful thing if someone can enjoy sports and grow from it. No matter what that sport is.0 -
The concept of Crossfit is very good and has been around long before someone coined the name 'Crossfit.' In practice, I have never seen it done safely. Things like rotator cuff tears, achille tendon ruptures, and stitches in the shin are common place in most boxes. Teaching a mid age women to barbell snatch in one session is not only unsafe, it's also completely pointless.
I also despise the elitism and cult feel most CFer put off. Exercise is exercise, 95% of people could careless how many box jumps you did in 5 minutes.
With that being said, it is by far the best group class you'll find. It just has a much higher risk factor involved with it.
I'll ignore the dig at middle aged women.
No cares how fast I ran my last half marathon or how much I can bench press either.
There is terrible form everywhere, I've seen trainers in the gym teaching some horrible stuff. Crossfit is no exception.
I honestly avoided crossfit for a lot of the reasons I have read here. And yes, I know the annoying crossfitters who preach the gospel as well. My husband decided he wanted to try it. I want him to be more active, he hates the gym and only slightly hates running less. He has tried a lot of thing with me, so I tried this with him.
I talked to people, I went to the gym, I watched. I am pretty familiar with a lot of the moves anyway. I liked what I saw. I'm still in the on ramp program, my husband and I go together to see the trainer who teaches us correct form and we do shorter workouts, we haven't done a group class. I can understand while people love it. I am the type of person who pushes myself more when there are people around. I am also goal oriented and can keep going if I have a target.
Jury is still out for me but so far hasn't proven to be as horrible as I once thought.
And I don't eat paleo.0 -
I joined a crossfit in January with no knowledge of how to use a barbel or lift weight. Part of the reason I joined is because I would have people watching over me.
My crossfit gym is wonderful. They did NOT teach me a movement in one day and continuously corrected my form until they felt like I had it down. I'm still new enough, that they pay a little more attention to me than the people who have been there for years. But now, they do more looking than correcting. I'm finally at the point where i can start challenging myself with weight because I have the movement down!
That being said, I hear that each crossfit is managed differently. People at my own gym have been to places where they just put the WOD on the board and leave it to their members to do it. I wouldn't be surprised if some people had bad experiences if they attended a poorly managed crossfit.0 -
While some good coaches and trainers decide to work within the Crossfit franchise to get more clients, I am not a fan of the Crossfit organization because as a whole, the organization is all about pushing people to do things to the extreme -- which in many cases can cause injury. If your Crossfit doesn't operate as a "do it or die trying" class, fine.
But for anyone that has decided to get involved with Crossfit, especially if you are not familiar with heavy lifting or the other exercise moves in that program, make sure that your trainer has experience and certification beyond whatever they issue from Crossfit. Because Crossfit certification, especially Level 1, is a JOKE. All people have to do to get a Crossfit level 1 certification is to fork over money to Crossfit and answer some multiple choice questions.0 -
<-- 4 month crossfit results.
i'm in love with this. perhaps because it's the ONLY thing i've been able to stick to. I know a lot of people dislike it for their own reasons... but for ME, it's totally changed my life. and i'm so thankful for it.
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A lot of people feel like using momentum to complete a movement is cheating (i.e. the kipping pull-up).Okay, piggybacking on this... Why do so many people dislike Crossfit?
Crossfitters also have notoriously bad form when it comes to technical lifts. I don't blame them, having to do 30 snatches for time doesn't really call for perfect form on every snatch. Not to mention a lot of Crossfit coaches don't know how to properly perform the exercise themselves and teach other crossfitters incorrect form.
It's also on the pricey end (100+ dollars a month iirc).
Overall it's a fun program that produces great results if you're into that kind of thing.
This. I would also say that, like most things, it depends completely on the coach.
Some crossfit coaches are great and reinforce form.
Others don't and you see alot of injuries.0 -
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essentially randomized circuit training doen in a group setting.
Some people love it, some hate it.
If you find a good box, it wouldn't be bad to train there.
But there are some awful coaches out there who were certified in a weekend and now own a gym...0 -
How do you know someone does Crossfit? Don't worry, they will tell you.....
LOL. They have to tell you because they never get big enough for you to know they work out just looking at them in clothes.0 -
before i got on this site, i thought the majority of crossfitters worked out at home. seems like people here think if your not going to a box, your not doing crossfit.0
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Okay, piggybacking on this... Why do so many people dislike Crossfit?
I attended a couple of classes out of curiosity...for me:
1.) Way too "religious." Everyone was an evangelical zealot...reminded me of my mega church days growing up. It was the Crossfit way or no way, including the Paleo diet (meh). They even called me a couple of times per week and sent me pamphlets in the mail for about a month.
2.) Circuit training stupified...I'm a former Marine and I expected it to be similar to a lot of the circuit type training I did in the Corps. Meh...kinda...just done less intelligently and with little regard to safety.
3.) Kind of goes back to #2, but a bit dangerous in RE to some people there really having no business being there at their current fitness level. Just looking for injury or worse...no coaches telling them to slow down, etc
4.) Exercise form is pretty much off the charts horrible....more emphasis on speed and time than proper execution of the exercise. Again, kinda goes back to #2...circuit training stupified.
5.) Way too "religious"....oh, did I say that already?
I'm sure a lot probably depends on the box and the coaches...but meh...not really my thing.0 -
"My warm-up is harder than your workout" sums up everything wrong with the crossfit mentality to me.0
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Crossfit is getting a bad reputation the same way anything else does: people hear about the negatives and don't pay much attention to the positives.
I take a High Intensity Interval Training class that is basically chock full of Crossfit exercises, but I refer to it as HIIT because I'm allergic to listening to other people's negativity when it comes to my choices for health and fitness.
My trainers are sticklers for form, they are certified in a lot more than just Crossfit, and I'm seeing great results from the combo of cardio and strength training. I started three months ago and I feel fantastic. No one has asked me to eat differently or believe differently.
Like so many things in life, you get out of it what you put into it.0 -
Crossfit is getting a bad reputation the same way anything else does: people hear about the negatives and don't pay much attention to the positives.
I take a High Intensity Interval Training class that is basically chock full of Crossfit exercises, but I refer to it as HIIT because I'm allergic to listening to other people's negativity when it comes to my choices for health and fitness.
My trainers are sticklers for form, they are certified in a lot more than just Crossfit, and I'm seeing great results from the combo of cardio and strength training. I started three months ago and I feel fantastic. No one has asked me to eat differently or believe differently.
Like so many things in life, you get out of it what you put into it.
They aren't "Crossfit exercises" Crossfit didn't invent any exercise. They just put them together in a way that is bad, random, and has no plan for progression or periodization.0 -
That is actually Insanity.. and its "my warm-up is your workout""My warm-up is harder than your workout" sums up everything wrong with the crossfit mentality to me.
just felt the need to correct that - and often times I feel that is true, after doing the warm up I am often sweating more than I ever did doing my other workout. Not that I would ever say it to anyone I have just seen the pictures online stating this.0 -
How do you know someone does Crossfit? Don't worry, they will tell you.....
LOL. They have to tell you because they never get big enough for you to know they work out just looking at them in clothes.
I certainly hope i look like i lift.0 -
That is actually Insanity.. and its "my warm-up is your workout""My warm-up is harder than your workout" sums up everything wrong with the crossfit mentality to me.
just felt the need to correct that - and often times I feel that is true, after doing the warm up I am often sweating more than I ever did doing my other workout. Not that I would ever say it to anyone I have just seen the pictures online stating this.
I didn't say that. I said this:
https://www.google.com/search?q="My+warm-up+is+harder+than+your+workout"&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=&oe=0 -
That is actually Insanity.. and its "my warm-up is your workout""My warm-up is harder than your workout" sums up everything wrong with the crossfit mentality to me.
just felt the need to correct that - and often times I feel that is true, after doing the warm up I am often sweating more than I ever did doing my other workout. Not that I would ever say it to anyone I have just seen the pictures online stating this.
A warm up should just be enough exercise to get your muscles warm and your heart rate up. It really does not need to be so intense that it makes you all that sweaty.0 -
^^ ok then, consider the first 3 min of the insanity warm up as a traditional warm up and the rest is exercise lol.
3 min is actually about the same or more time then you take to warm up in p90x if you don't count the streching
and its probably 3 min more then most people take to warm up for exercise at the gym, which typically seems to be 0 min0 -
Crossfit is getting a bad reputation the same way anything else does: people hear about the negatives and don't pay much attention to the positives.
I take a High Intensity Interval Training class that is basically chock full of Crossfit exercises, but I refer to it as HIIT because I'm allergic to listening to other people's negativity when it comes to my choices for health and fitness.
My trainers are sticklers for form, they are certified in a lot more than just Crossfit, and I'm seeing great results from the combo of cardio and strength training. I started three months ago and I feel fantastic. No one has asked me to eat differently or believe differently.
Like so many things in life, you get out of it what you put into it.
They aren't "Crossfit exercises" Crossfit didn't invent any exercise. They just put them together in a way that is bad, random, and has no plan for progression or periodization.
*ACHOO*0 -
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