I'm conflicted about "Fat Acceptance" morally.. I find

Ramberta

"Fat acceptance" is all about not judging bodies that do not belong to you.

There is nothing morally conflicting about that. If you don't like how somebody else looks, don't look. Weight does not equal health. You are not responsible for anyone but yourself. Encouraging people to feel good about themselves no matter what their weight is, is tremendously positive. It's not about preaching "you don't need to lose weight!" It about preaching "You are worthy just as you are".

Then why is there not "Tobacco Acceptance" or "Alcohol Acceptance" as well? Why are all life choices not praised for us being who we want to be? Clearly, there must be other factors into why it is not socially 'acceptable' to be fat. And telling someone they are physically unhealthy does NOT mean they are unworthy as an individual. I think a lot of pro-Acceptance people here are missing that point.

My boyfriend suffers from major depression. Do I tell him he's worthless? Of course not-- if I thought that, I wouldn't even be with him. But am I going to tell him he's perfectly fine the way he is, and accept him staying in bed all day? Again, of course not. If something is affecting the physical or mental health of someone I love I will speak up about it, BECAUSE I love them. Helping someone face their bad decisions and overcome them is, if anything, the most crucial part of accepting them... because you're willing to support them right now, AND to help motivate them to improve. My boyfriend does the same with me, with my journey to lose weight and overcome anger issues. We accept each other for who we are, but that doesn't mean we have to accept the fact that we can never be better than we are right now!

First all off, not all people who are "fat" are addicted to food. People addicted to alcohol and drugs actually ARE addicts. So please stop using that analogy, it's not as clever as you think.

I'm not 'being clever'. We are not discussing people who are 20 pounds overweight, or even 40. This woman is most likely between 4 and 500 pounds. She did not get to this weight by not being addicted to food in some way, although it's amusing that you seem to find that possible. She didn't wake up one day and go "Oh crap, I put on 300 pounds overnight!" Even if she has some major health issues that left her bedridden in a hospital for months (which doesn't seem likely given that she is apparently healthy enough to pose for softcore porn), that doesn't just excuse a lifetime of poor eating.

Second, weight does not equal health. There are very recent studies (published in the JAMA -- which is about as credible as you can get) the seem to show being "fat" as defined as moderately overweight live longer than their thin counterparts. Here, read: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1555137

There is nothing that prevents a moderately overweight person from living a totally productive life -- aside from how others treat them. Period. That is what fat acceptance is about. You are, presumably, not a medical doctor. Other people's health is not your concern. You are making lifestyle and health assumptions based on appearance alone. Not cool. Also assuming that thin is "better" also isn't cool.

When did I ever say that being 'thin' was better? Oh, that's right... nowhere. I have been talking about health, and health alone. The definition of a healthy weight varies from person to person, and no one has to stay at a specific number on the scale their entire life to be healthy. Again, we are not talking about "moderately overweight", we are talking about people who are 2-300 pounds overweight. That is not 'moderate' by any stretch of the imagination.

Um, fat acceptance is an entire movement that encompasses many body types not just the one pictured. Also, do you know the woman pictured personally? You have NO idea how or what she eats. You are making a LOT of assumptions. LOTS. You don't know her medical history. You don't know if she eats to maintain this size to have work, therefore money to feed her family. She might just like the taste of food.

And you clearly do seem to think thinness is better because you seem to think thinness = health. It does not. Also, the health of other people is NOT your concern. Your concern is unnecessary and misguided. What is it to YOU what I weigh? Is your life positively affected because you are talking to me and I am a "health" weight. No. Don't think so.

Honey, you are just full of the hangry today. How many times do I have to say that I am not advocating being 'thin'? So what if you have a little tummy pooch. So what if you have a double chin. So what if you have cankles, chubby underarms, a big butt, or "thunder thighs". I may have all these things even at my goal weight! I specifically said that healthy weights vary from person to person. It would behoove you to actually read my posts instead of jumping to create ludicrous scenarios for a stranger (feeding her family? really? how is that not an assumption of your own?) instead of admitting that you are taking this too far.

P.S. "Liking the taste of food", in excess, is an eating disorder. I am making an assumption here but I highly, highly doubt that if this woman was eating less than 3,000 calories a day, that she would be at the weight she is in this picture. It is possible to like the taste of food too much, and that is where the addiction comes in.

You know, this conversation is pointless. Thanks for your time.

Ahahahahahaha. Hahahahaha. Oh excuse me. I'm just going to go laugh my head off at how a debate where I was exposing your points as nonsensical turns into a "pointless" conversation. Thanks for your time bb! Go eat something, I think you're hungry.

funkyspunky872

What I am getting from almost every single one of these posts so far:

"If you're fat, you don't deserve to be happy or loved or confident. You will never be happy until you lose weight. In fact, if you're fat, you don't even deserve to be treated like a human being -- you're just a sack of gooey, yellow sludge who takes up too much room on the sidewalk and is a burden to rest of us taxpayers. I know you're lying about being really happy, because all that fat inhibits your emotions. Are you sure you're not confusing happiness with laziness? Or maybe that swell of pride in your chest is really just an oncoming heart attack. And no offense, but I think you're disgusting, and I can get away with saying this because I was once a fat piece of **** too! Now, I've lost a few pounds, and everything is rainbows and unicorns!! PS: I'm just saying this because I care though. I couldn't care less about your feelings or rights as a human being, but damn I sure do care about your health."

Mm. Thanks for summing up everyone's posts into a well-thought-out, rational, non-attacking response. You clearly have an understanding of all of us as individuals.

"I don't even know you, but you're fatness is ruining my life. Every time I look at you, I throw up a little in my mouth. It's damaging my teeth, and it's all your fault. Why don't you just stop eating cake and go hop on a treadmill? It's not that hard. If you need some more motivation, man do I have some great insults up my sleeve. Let's start with a simple one: ewwww!!"

devil_in_a_blue_dress

What I am getting from almost every single one of these posts so far:

"If you're fat, you don't deserve to be happy or loved or confident. You will never be happy until you lose weight. In fact, if you're fat, you don't even deserve to be treated like a human being -- you're just a sack of gooey, yellow sludge who takes up too much room on the sidewalk and is a burden to rest of us taxpayers. I know you're lying about being really happy, because all that fat inhibits your emotions. Are you sure you're not confusing happiness with laziness? Or maybe that swell of pride in your chest is really just an oncoming heart attack. And no offense, but I think you're disgusting, and I can get away with saying this because I was once a fat piece of **** too! Now, I've lost a few pounds, and everything is rainbows and unicorns!! PS: I'm just saying this because I care though. I couldn't care less about your feelings or rights as a human being, but damn I sure do care about your health."

Mm. Thanks for summing up everyone's posts into a well-thought-out, rational, non-attacking response. You clearly have an understanding of all of us as individuals.

Actually they kind of do...

You obviously have some things that motivate you to be here arguing with everyone who has a differing opinion than you - it shouldn't surprise you that other people, coming from different experiences are doing the same.

funkyspunky872

"Beccy lost 100 pounds, and now she's /healthy/ and /happy/, and she looks great. Welcome to the club! You're one of us!"

devil_in_a_blue_dress

"Fat acceptance" is all about not judging bodies that do not belong to you.

There is nothing morally conflicting about that. If you don't like how somebody else looks, don't look. Weight does not equal health. You are not responsible for anyone but yourself. Encouraging people to feel good about themselves no matter what their weight is, is tremendously positive. It's not about preaching "you don't need to lose weight!" It about preaching "You are worthy just as you are".

Then why is there not "Tobacco Acceptance" or "Alcohol Acceptance" as well? Why are all life choices not praised for us being who we want to be? Clearly, there must be other factors into why it is not socially 'acceptable' to be fat. And telling someone they are physically unhealthy does NOT mean they are unworthy as an individual. I think a lot of pro-Acceptance people here are missing that point.

My boyfriend suffers from major depression. Do I tell him he's worthless? Of course not-- if I thought that, I wouldn't even be with him. But am I going to tell him he's perfectly fine the way he is, and accept him staying in bed all day? Again, of course not. If something is affecting the physical or mental health of someone I love I will speak up about it, BECAUSE I love them. Helping someone face their bad decisions and overcome them is, if anything, the most crucial part of accepting them... because you're willing to support them right now, AND to help motivate them to improve. My boyfriend does the same with me, with my journey to lose weight and overcome anger issues. We accept each other for who we are, but that doesn't mean we have to accept the fact that we can never be better than we are right now!

First all off, not all people who are "fat" are addicted to food. People addicted to alcohol and drugs actually ARE addicts. So please stop using that analogy, it's not as clever as you think.

I'm not 'being clever'. We are not discussing people who are 20 pounds overweight, or even 40. This woman is most likely between 4 and 500 pounds. She did not get to this weight by not being addicted to food in some way, although it's amusing that you seem to find that possible. She didn't wake up one day and go "Oh crap, I put on 300 pounds overnight!" Even if she has some major health issues that left her bedridden in a hospital for months (which doesn't seem likely given that she is apparently healthy enough to pose for softcore porn), that doesn't just excuse a lifetime of poor eating.

Second, weight does not equal health. There are very recent studies (published in the JAMA -- which is about as credible as you can get) the seem to show being "fat" as defined as moderately overweight live longer than their thin counterparts. Here, read: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1555137

There is nothing that prevents a moderately overweight person from living a totally productive life -- aside from how others treat them. Period. That is what fat acceptance is about. You are, presumably, not a medical doctor. Other people's health is not your concern. You are making lifestyle and health assumptions based on appearance alone. Not cool. Also assuming that thin is "better" also isn't cool.

When did I ever say that being 'thin' was better? Oh, that's right... nowhere. I have been talking about health, and health alone. The definition of a healthy weight varies from person to person, and no one has to stay at a specific number on the scale their entire life to be healthy. Again, we are not talking about "moderately overweight", we are talking about people who are 2-300 pounds overweight. That is not 'moderate' by any stretch of the imagination.

Um, fat acceptance is an entire movement that encompasses many body types not just the one pictured. Also, do you know the woman pictured personally? You have NO idea how or what she eats. You are making a LOT of assumptions. LOTS. You don't know her medical history. You don't know if she eats to maintain this size to have work, therefore money to feed her family. She might just like the taste of food.

And you clearly do seem to think thinness is better because you seem to think thinness = health. It does not. Also, the health of other people is NOT your concern. Your concern is unnecessary and misguided. What is it to YOU what I weigh? Is your life positively affected because you are talking to me and I am a "health" weight. No. Don't think so.

Honey, you are just full of the hangry today. How many times do I have to say that I am not advocating being 'thin'? So what if you have a little tummy pooch. So what if you have a double chin. So what if you have cankles, chubby underarms, a big butt, or "thunder thighs". I may have all these things even at my goal weight! I specifically said that healthy weights vary from person to person. It would behoove you to actually read my posts instead of jumping to create ludicrous scenarios for a stranger (feeding her family? really? how is that not an assumption of your own?) instead of admitting that you are taking this too far.

P.S. "Liking the taste of food", in excess, is an eating disorder. I am making an assumption here but I highly, highly doubt that if this woman was eating less than 3,000 calories a day, that she would be at the weight she is in this picture. It is possible to like the taste of food too much, and that is where the addiction comes in.

You know, this conversation is pointless. Thanks for your time.

Ahahahahahaha. Hahahahaha. Oh excuse me. I'm just going to go laugh my head off at how a debate where I was exposing your points as nonsensical turns into a "pointless" conversation. Thanks for your time bb! Go eat something, I think you're hungry.

Look, you apparently don't know forum rules. I stopped because I am not going to get into personal attacks.

Ramberta

What I am getting from almost every single one of these posts so far:

"If you're fat, you don't deserve to be happy or loved or confident. You will never be happy until you lose weight. In fact, if you're fat, you don't even deserve to be treated like a human being -- you're just a sack of gooey, yellow sludge who takes up too much room on the sidewalk and is a burden to rest of us taxpayers. I know you're lying about being really happy, because all that fat inhibits your emotions. Are you sure you're not confusing happiness with laziness? Or maybe that swell of pride in your chest is really just an oncoming heart attack. And no offense, but I think you're disgusting, and I can get away with saying this because I was once a fat piece of **** too! Now, I've lost a few pounds, and everything is rainbows and unicorns!! PS: I'm just saying this because I care though. I couldn't care less about your feelings or rights as a human being, but damn I sure do care about your health."

Mm. Thanks for summing up everyone's posts into a well-thought-out, rational, non-attacking response. You clearly have an understanding of all of us as individuals.

"I don't even know you, but you're fatness is ruining my life. Every time I look at you, I throw up a little in my mouth. It's damaging my teeth, and it's all your fault. Why don't you just stop eating cake and go hop on a treadmill? It's not that hard. If you need some more motivation, man do I have some great insults up my sleeve. Let's start with a simple one: ewwww!!"

Hmm... you must be confusing my posts with someone else's. I have called the large woman in the pink lingerie beautiful multiple times, and I mean it sincerely. Anyway, it's moot because I'm reporting both your posts for mockery. Please understand the differences between a thread created for debate purposes and a thread created for attack purposes.

Ramberta

What I am getting from almost every single one of these posts so far:

"If you're fat, you don't deserve to be happy or loved or confident. You will never be happy until you lose weight. In fact, if you're fat, you don't even deserve to be treated like a human being -- you're just a sack of gooey, yellow sludge who takes up too much room on the sidewalk and is a burden to rest of us taxpayers. I know you're lying about being really happy, because all that fat inhibits your emotions. Are you sure you're not confusing happiness with laziness? Or maybe that swell of pride in your chest is really just an oncoming heart attack. And no offense, but I think you're disgusting, and I can get away with saying this because I was once a fat piece of **** too! Now, I've lost a few pounds, and everything is rainbows and unicorns!! PS: I'm just saying this because I care though. I couldn't care less about your feelings or rights as a human being, but damn I sure do care about your health."

Mm. Thanks for summing up everyone's posts into a well-thought-out, rational, non-attacking response. You clearly have an understanding of all of us as individuals.

Actually they kind of do...

You obviously have some things that motivate you to be here arguing with everyone who has a differing opinion than you - it shouldn't surprise you that other people, coming from different experiences are doing the same.

Lol... the OP created this thread for a debate. I am debating. I have been talking reasonably with other people, and gasp shock, those opinions have not been 100% in alignment with my own! You're the only one who seems to be getting upset at me stating my differing opinion as if it shouldn't be allowed.

Ramberta

"Fat acceptance" is all about not judging bodies that do not belong to you.

There is nothing morally conflicting about that. If you don't like how somebody else looks, don't look. Weight does not equal health. You are not responsible for anyone but yourself. Encouraging people to feel good about themselves no matter what their weight is, is tremendously positive. It's not about preaching "you don't need to lose weight!" It about preaching "You are worthy just as you are".

Then why is there not "Tobacco Acceptance" or "Alcohol Acceptance" as well? Why are all life choices not praised for us being who we want to be? Clearly, there must be other factors into why it is not socially 'acceptable' to be fat. And telling someone they are physically unhealthy does NOT mean they are unworthy as an individual. I think a lot of pro-Acceptance people here are missing that point.

My boyfriend suffers from major depression. Do I tell him he's worthless? Of course not-- if I thought that, I wouldn't even be with him. But am I going to tell him he's perfectly fine the way he is, and accept him staying in bed all day? Again, of course not. If something is affecting the physical or mental health of someone I love I will speak up about it, BECAUSE I love them. Helping someone face their bad decisions and overcome them is, if anything, the most crucial part of accepting them... because you're willing to support them right now, AND to help motivate them to improve. My boyfriend does the same with me, with my journey to lose weight and overcome anger issues. We accept each other for who we are, but that doesn't mean we have to accept the fact that we can never be better than we are right now!

First all off, not all people who are "fat" are addicted to food. People addicted to alcohol and drugs actually ARE addicts. So please stop using that analogy, it's not as clever as you think.

I'm not 'being clever'. We are not discussing people who are 20 pounds overweight, or even 40. This woman is most likely between 4 and 500 pounds. She did not get to this weight by not being addicted to food in some way, although it's amusing that you seem to find that possible. She didn't wake up one day and go "Oh crap, I put on 300 pounds overnight!" Even if she has some major health issues that left her bedridden in a hospital for months (which doesn't seem likely given that she is apparently healthy enough to pose for softcore porn), that doesn't just excuse a lifetime of poor eating.

Second, weight does not equal health. There are very recent studies (published in the JAMA -- which is about as credible as you can get) the seem to show being "fat" as defined as moderately overweight live longer than their thin counterparts. Here, read: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1555137

There is nothing that prevents a moderately overweight person from living a totally productive life -- aside from how others treat them. Period. That is what fat acceptance is about. You are, presumably, not a medical doctor. Other people's health is not your concern. You are making lifestyle and health assumptions based on appearance alone. Not cool. Also assuming that thin is "better" also isn't cool.

When did I ever say that being 'thin' was better? Oh, that's right... nowhere. I have been talking about health, and health alone. The definition of a healthy weight varies from person to person, and no one has to stay at a specific number on the scale their entire life to be healthy. Again, we are not talking about "moderately overweight", we are talking about people who are 2-300 pounds overweight. That is not 'moderate' by any stretch of the imagination.

Um, fat acceptance is an entire movement that encompasses many body types not just the one pictured. Also, do you know the woman pictured personally? You have NO idea how or what she eats. You are making a LOT of assumptions. LOTS. You don't know her medical history. You don't know if she eats to maintain this size to have work, therefore money to feed her family. She might just like the taste of food.

And you clearly do seem to think thinness is better because you seem to think thinness = health. It does not. Also, the health of other people is NOT your concern. Your concern is unnecessary and misguided. What is it to YOU what I weigh? Is your life positively affected because you are talking to me and I am a "health" weight. No. Don't think so.

Honey, you are just full of the hangry today. How many times do I have to say that I am not advocating being 'thin'? So what if you have a little tummy pooch. So what if you have a double chin. So what if you have cankles, chubby underarms, a big butt, or "thunder thighs". I may have all these things even at my goal weight! I specifically said that healthy weights vary from person to person. It would behoove you to actually read my posts instead of jumping to create ludicrous scenarios for a stranger (feeding her family? really? how is that not an assumption of your own?) instead of admitting that you are taking this too far.

P.S. "Liking the taste of food", in excess, is an eating disorder. I am making an assumption here but I highly, highly doubt that if this woman was eating less than 3,000 calories a day, that she would be at the weight she is in this picture. It is possible to like the taste of food too much, and that is where the addiction comes in.

You know, this conversation is pointless. Thanks for your time.

Ahahahahahaha. Hahahahaha. Oh excuse me. I'm just going to go laugh my head off at how a debate where I was exposing your points as nonsensical turns into a "pointless" conversation. Thanks for your time bb! Go eat something, I think you're hungry.

Look, you apparently don't know forum rules. I stopped because I am not going to get into personal attacks.

I don't know forum rules? Which ones, exactly, am I violating? Go ahead and report me if I am. That doesn't change the fact that you butted out of a conversation because you apparently had nothing to say that wasn't a personal attack towards me. Kind of sad.

Showmm

From my experience, it is always clear to me (or I'm always readily assuming) that people are thinking things about my weight, that people say I'm cool and pretty, but that it's a "lie." The people who don't say anything may be thinking some of the meanest things! And that, to me, is just as harmful as outright bullying a person. If you're secretly thinking things about a fat person (like a coworker), you're not being accepting, you know?

You said it, you are readily assuming! Wow, someone doesn't say anything about your looks and size is as bad as someone outright bullying you?

Stop worrying about what people may or may not be thinking about you in their own heads.

theCarlton

Your acceptance isn't required. It's not your body.

devil_in_a_blue_dress

"Fat acceptance" is all about not judging bodies that do not belong to you.

There is nothing morally conflicting about that. If you don't like how somebody else looks, don't look. Weight does not equal health. You are not responsible for anyone but yourself. Encouraging people to feel good about themselves no matter what their weight is, is tremendously positive. It's not about preaching "you don't need to lose weight!" It about preaching "You are worthy just as you are".

Then why is there not "Tobacco Acceptance" or "Alcohol Acceptance" as well? Why are all life choices not praised for us being who we want to be? Clearly, there must be other factors into why it is not socially 'acceptable' to be fat. And telling someone they are physically unhealthy does NOT mean they are unworthy as an individual. I think a lot of pro-Acceptance people here are missing that point.

My boyfriend suffers from major depression. Do I tell him he's worthless? Of course not-- if I thought that, I wouldn't even be with him. But am I going to tell him he's perfectly fine the way he is, and accept him staying in bed all day? Again, of course not. If something is affecting the physical or mental health of someone I love I will speak up about it, BECAUSE I love them. Helping someone face their bad decisions and overcome them is, if anything, the most crucial part of accepting them... because you're willing to support them right now, AND to help motivate them to improve. My boyfriend does the same with me, with my journey to lose weight and overcome anger issues. We accept each other for who we are, but that doesn't mean we have to accept the fact that we can never be better than we are right now!

First all off, not all people who are "fat" are addicted to food. People addicted to alcohol and drugs actually ARE addicts. So please stop using that analogy, it's not as clever as you think.

I'm not 'being clever'. We are not discussing people who are 20 pounds overweight, or even 40. This woman is most likely between 4 and 500 pounds. She did not get to this weight by not being addicted to food in some way, although it's amusing that you seem to find that possible. She didn't wake up one day and go "Oh crap, I put on 300 pounds overnight!" Even if she has some major health issues that left her bedridden in a hospital for months (which doesn't seem likely given that she is apparently healthy enough to pose for softcore porn), that doesn't just excuse a lifetime of poor eating.

Second, weight does not equal health. There are very recent studies (published in the JAMA -- which is about as credible as you can get) the seem to show being "fat" as defined as moderately overweight live longer than their thin counterparts. Here, read: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1555137

There is nothing that prevents a moderately overweight person from living a totally productive life -- aside from how others treat them. Period. That is what fat acceptance is about. You are, presumably, not a medical doctor. Other people's health is not your concern. You are making lifestyle and health assumptions based on appearance alone. Not cool. Also assuming that thin is "better" also isn't cool.

When did I ever say that being 'thin' was better? Oh, that's right... nowhere. I have been talking about health, and health alone. The definition of a healthy weight varies from person to person, and no one has to stay at a specific number on the scale their entire life to be healthy. Again, we are not talking about "moderately overweight", we are talking about people who are 2-300 pounds overweight. That is not 'moderate' by any stretch of the imagination.

Um, fat acceptance is an entire movement that encompasses many body types not just the one pictured. Also, do you know the woman pictured personally? You have NO idea how or what she eats. You are making a LOT of assumptions. LOTS. You don't know her medical history. You don't know if she eats to maintain this size to have work, therefore money to feed her family. She might just like the taste of food.

And you clearly do seem to think thinness is better because you seem to think thinness = health. It does not. Also, the health of other people is NOT your concern. Your concern is unnecessary and misguided. What is it to YOU what I weigh? Is your life positively affected because you are talking to me and I am a "health" weight. No. Don't think so.

Honey, you are just full of the hangry today. How many times do I have to say that I am not advocating being 'thin'? So what if you have a little tummy pooch. So what if you have a double chin. So what if you have cankles, chubby underarms, a big butt, or "thunder thighs". I may have all these things even at my goal weight! I specifically said that healthy weights vary from person to person. It would behoove you to actually read my posts instead of jumping to create ludicrous scenarios for a stranger (feeding her family? really? how is that not an assumption of your own?) instead of admitting that you are taking this too far.

P.S. "Liking the taste of food", in excess, is an eating disorder. I am making an assumption here but I highly, highly doubt that if this woman was eating less than 3,000 calories a day, that she would be at the weight she is in this picture. It is possible to like the taste of food too much, and that is where the addiction comes in.

You know, this conversation is pointless. Thanks for your time.

Ahahahahahaha. Hahahahaha. Oh excuse me. I'm just going to go laugh my head off at how a debate where I was exposing your points as nonsensical turns into a "pointless" conversation. Thanks for your time bb! Go eat something, I think you're hungry.

Look, you apparently don't know forum rules. I stopped because I am not going to get into personal attacks.

I don't know forum rules? Which ones, exactly, am I violating? Go ahead and report me if I am. That doesn't change the fact that you butted out of a conversation because you apparently had nothing to say that wasn't a personal attack towards me. Kind of sad.

Specifically: "Go Eat Something", that would be taunting. I can accept you might not meant that as such, I don't report people. However, what I am saying to you is you are unwilling to have a debate that is based in facts. I have posted a few different links -- you are not responding to any of that info. You just keep saying the same things over and over. So yeah, I have nothing more to say.

obwize

I'm having issues myself. With my own fat acceptance. At about 40% body fat I am certainly not simply curvy, even though I'm only a size 12-14. I know that hating my body is counterproductive to health, but then accepting it completely gives way to complaisance. Perhaps there are multiple things going on. Accepting our whole person, not just body, as good. While recognizing that habits that are causing certain problems are not good. Therefore accepting the things we cannot change (I cannot decide that today I will be 20% body fat and see that happen TODAY), while not accepting the things we can (I can eat healthy and feel better because of it today, I can go for a walk with some jogging to get the blood flowing).

Making changes to habits, and being disgusted with the things we DO not the person I am, can help a lot more than being disgusted with my entire body.

loosesealbluth

Stop worrying about what people may or may not be thinking about you in their own heads.

If it were that easy, don't you think I would?

Fockertots

I"ll toss out something here as an thought.

How many of us are/were caught in the cycle of self hatred where you eat, feel guilt, look at your self, feel hate, then eat more, et al. (Hopefully you know what I"m talking about here). Part of fat acceptance is accepting yourself, seeing your beauty/worth. By encouraging that, you encourage breaking the cycle of self hatred/guilt and therefore over eating.

Like I said, it's just a thought. Then again I'm all for thinking that there should be size acceptance, period. *shrugs*

Just 2 cents from a fat gal trying to find her inner beauty.

Perfectly stated!

Sorashi

I am fine with it until they start bashing doctors calling them fat shamers, denying obesity-related illnesses just because AT THE MOMENT they don't have none of them, or that weight loss has not been proven to improve any kind of condition.

You wanna be obese, so be it, but don't deny science and act like you know more than a doctor who spent 10+ years studying.

paigemarie93

When I clicked on this, only half of the picture was up on my screen & I though, she looks average to me, then I scrolled down and saw the rest

RainHoward

There is a huge difference between self acceptance and denial of reality. Accepting that we are large is fine. Trying to convince ourselves and others that there is nothing medically wrong with that or that it doesn't bother us as a fat person is something entirely separate.

There is also a difference between self acceptance and just giving up and waiting to die. I spent years just waiting to die.

devil_in_a_blue_dress

I"ll toss out something here as an thought.

How many of us are/were caught in the cycle of self hatred where you eat, feel guilt, look at your self, feel hate, then eat more, et al. (Hopefully you know what I"m talking about here). Part of fat acceptance is accepting yourself, seeing your beauty/worth. By encouraging that, you encourage breaking the cycle of self hatred/guilt and therefore over eating.

Like I said, it's just a thought. Then again I'm all for thinking that there should be size acceptance, period. *shrugs*

Just 2 cents from a fat gal trying to find her inner beauty.

Perfectly stated!

Quoted for truth.

hilldiggity

I work in healthcare and am also conflicted about this. People say "It's nobody else's business if I get fat."
Except it is.
When you (general "you") get sick or injured, I have to manually move you from bed to stretcher to commode,etc.
Even with great lifting technique and help from others, I will continue to get hurt. It will be harder us to find an IV site to give you the medications you need and chest tubes and needles are not long enough.
You will be more likely to get a wound infection. Your blood sugar may be more difficult to manage, even if you are not diabetic. If you are a short, round person, we may not be able to fit you into the scanner. It will be difficult to obtain a decent X-ray because of the increased soft tissue.
It will be more difficult for you to walk and move after surgery, so your healing process will be longer.
So my workload will be very increased, and the patient's outcomes will be worse.
I'm not trying to "shame" anyone, I'm just not sure that people realize the consequences of their actions.

I hope you don't mind, but I just shared this quote on my Facebook page (not as my own) and people are definitely agreeing with it, talking about social ramifications, food addiction (from a friend who works with addicts) and the like. It's opened a very interesting dialog.

Ramberta

"Fat acceptance" is all about not judging bodies that do not belong to you.

There is nothing morally conflicting about that. If you don't like how somebody else looks, don't look. Weight does not equal health. You are not responsible for anyone but yourself. Encouraging people to feel good about themselves no matter what their weight is, is tremendously positive. It's not about preaching "you don't need to lose weight!" It about preaching "You are worthy just as you are".

Then why is there not "Tobacco Acceptance" or "Alcohol Acceptance" as well? Why are all life choices not praised for us being who we want to be? Clearly, there must be other factors into why it is not socially 'acceptable' to be fat. And telling someone they are physically unhealthy does NOT mean they are unworthy as an individual. I think a lot of pro-Acceptance people here are missing that point.

My boyfriend suffers from major depression. Do I tell him he's worthless? Of course not-- if I thought that, I wouldn't even be with him. But am I going to tell him he's perfectly fine the way he is, and accept him staying in bed all day? Again, of course not. If something is affecting the physical or mental health of someone I love I will speak up about it, BECAUSE I love them. Helping someone face their bad decisions and overcome them is, if anything, the most crucial part of accepting them... because you're willing to support them right now, AND to help motivate them to improve. My boyfriend does the same with me, with my journey to lose weight and overcome anger issues. We accept each other for who we are, but that doesn't mean we have to accept the fact that we can never be better than we are right now!

First all off, not all people who are "fat" are addicted to food. People addicted to alcohol and drugs actually ARE addicts. So please stop using that analogy, it's not as clever as you think.

I'm not 'being clever'. We are not discussing people who are 20 pounds overweight, or even 40. This woman is most likely between 4 and 500 pounds. She did not get to this weight by not being addicted to food in some way, although it's amusing that you seem to find that possible. She didn't wake up one day and go "Oh crap, I put on 300 pounds overnight!" Even if she has some major health issues that left her bedridden in a hospital for months (which doesn't seem likely given that she is apparently healthy enough to pose for softcore porn), that doesn't just excuse a lifetime of poor eating.

Second, weight does not equal health. There are very recent studies (published in the JAMA -- which is about as credible as you can get) the seem to show being "fat" as defined as moderately overweight live longer than their thin counterparts. Here, read: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1555137

There is nothing that prevents a moderately overweight person from living a totally productive life -- aside from how others treat them. Period. That is what fat acceptance is about. You are, presumably, not a medical doctor. Other people's health is not your concern. You are making lifestyle and health assumptions based on appearance alone. Not cool. Also assuming that thin is "better" also isn't cool.

When did I ever say that being 'thin' was better? Oh, that's right... nowhere. I have been talking about health, and health alone. The definition of a healthy weight varies from person to person, and no one has to stay at a specific number on the scale their entire life to be healthy. Again, we are not talking about "moderately overweight", we are talking about people who are 2-300 pounds overweight. That is not 'moderate' by any stretch of the imagination.

Um, fat acceptance is an entire movement that encompasses many body types not just the one pictured. Also, do you know the woman pictured personally? You have NO idea how or what she eats. You are making a LOT of assumptions. LOTS. You don't know her medical history. You don't know if she eats to maintain this size to have work, therefore money to feed her family. She might just like the taste of food.

And you clearly do seem to think thinness is better because you seem to think thinness = health. It does not. Also, the health of other people is NOT your concern. Your concern is unnecessary and misguided. What is it to YOU what I weigh? Is your life positively affected because you are talking to me and I am a "health" weight. No. Don't think so.

Honey, you are just full of the hangry today. How many times do I have to say that I am not advocating being 'thin'? So what if you have a little tummy pooch. So what if you have a double chin. So what if you have cankles, chubby underarms, a big butt, or "thunder thighs". I may have all these things even at my goal weight! I specifically said that healthy weights vary from person to person. It would behoove you to actually read my posts instead of jumping to create ludicrous scenarios for a stranger (feeding her family? really? how is that not an assumption of your own?) instead of admitting that you are taking this too far.

P.S. "Liking the taste of food", in excess, is an eating disorder. I am making an assumption here but I highly, highly doubt that if this woman was eating less than 3,000 calories a day, that she would be at the weight she is in this picture. It is possible to like the taste of food too much, and that is where the addiction comes in.

You know, this conversation is pointless. Thanks for your time.

Ahahahahahaha. Hahahahaha. Oh excuse me. I'm just going to go laugh my head off at how a debate where I was exposing your points as nonsensical turns into a "pointless" conversation. Thanks for your time bb! Go eat something, I think you're hungry.

Look, you apparently don't know forum rules. I stopped because I am not going to get into personal attacks.

I don't know forum rules? Which ones, exactly, am I violating? Go ahead and report me if I am. That doesn't change the fact that you butted out of a conversation because you apparently had nothing to say that wasn't a personal attack towards me. Kind of sad.

Specifically: "Go Eat Something", that would be taunting. I can accept you might not meant that as such, I don't report people. However, what I am saying to you is you are unwilling to have a debate that is based in facts. I have posted a few different links -- you are not responding to any of that info. You just keep saying the same things over and over. So yeah, I have nothing more to say.

I keep saying the same things over and over because you are consistently putting words in my mouth and telling me I believe things I do not believe. So I will respond to your links in numbered points instead, to make it clearer.

1) BMI is not the best way to measure health. Body Fat Percentage, while similar, is much more accurate. That being said...

2) I. Have. Never. Said. That. You. Have. To. Be. "Skinny". To. Be. Healthy. I just don't know how many more times I have to say this!

3) "Conclusions and Relevance Relative to normal weight, both obesity (all grades) and grades 2 and 3 obesity were associated with significantly higher all-cause mortality. Grade 1 obesity overall was not associated with higher mortality, and overweight was associated with significantly lower all-cause mortality."
How is what I've said not relevant to this? I said that someone being morbidly obese-- falling into the grades 2 or 3 obesity rating for the purpose of comparison to this study's results-- is dangerous to their health. I never said that someone who put on a bit of weight after having a baby, the "freshman fifteen", or even gaining 50 pounds over the course of many years is unhealthy. I have been, this entire time, talking about people who are for their height and body stature morbidly obese.

funkyspunky872

Tell me one reason why the amount of fat in your body should correspond with who you are as a person. Last time I checked, our personalities are in no way linked to our body composition.

Blacklance36

Tell me one reason why the amount of fat in your body should correspond with who you are as a person. Last time I checked, our personalities are in no way linked to our body composition.

Poor self image equates to low self esteem. Who purposely goes out of their way to be fat?
Cant agree with you at all....

Sapporo

I cannot understand how these people can say they are truely happy. They must be lying to themselves all the time!

I was never morbidly obese but I was in the obese range for my height before I started losing. I was MISERABLE, everyday. I can't believe how much my mentality changed when I lost weight!

I cannot agree with what they do to encourage obesity in any form. It's not healthy, plain and simple.

I don't think I was ever as big as the girl in the pic above but right now I want to lose 100lbs, am 75lbs overweight and am truly happy. I watch the show Biggest Loser and see that I could never be on there because I don't have the boo hoo sob story they all do.
I'm happy because I love my life, my husband is wonderful and I have great kids, I know I'm an awesome person. I thankfully know that my worth has nothing to do with my size.
So why am I on here? 100% future health reasons. I'm 36 and my last physical exam was excellent, on paper with my weight blacked out you would think it is a normal weight person who is active. I know this won't last long term and started feeling physical effects of it when I was 40lbs heavier, my ankles and knees were starting to hurt when I was racing to the bus stop in the morning.
Anyhow, I'm just sick of seeing these comments, just because YOU weren't or are not happy when you're fat doesn't mean it is impossible for others to be happy. There are actually a lot of us. We lives in places where we get jobs based on our skills and brains, people don't judge us by our size, and that is the way it should be.

Ramberta

Tell me one reason why the amount of fat in your body should correspond with who you are as a person. Last time I checked, our personalities are in no way linked to our body composition.

It's not. I was engaged to be married to a 400-pound woman, and her weight had nothing to do with our relationship going sour. I am still very close to her, still care about her, and still worry that one day I will lose her before it is her time to go.

But tell me one reason why the amount of smoke in my lungs should correspond with my loved ones being concerned with my health-- ohh, that's right. Because it's an unhealthy behavior. Just like being obese.

Showmm

Stop worrying about what people may or may not be thinking about you in their own heads.

If it were that easy, don't you think I would?

I think perhaps you don't realise we ALL sometimes to all the time worry about what other people think of us, regardless of size and looks.

To hang it all up on your weight is where you need to accept yourself and not worry about what they might think about you. You might be overweight, you might be a red head, you might have the wrong accent, you might not be educated enough, you might be over-educated. You might like chameleons as pets, you might be a goth, you might like cheesy musicals, you might be single, you might be married. It's who you are. Some things you might be trying to change, some you might be quite happy with the way they are. Some people are going to be fine with who you are, some won't be. Some may support you in trying to change or they might think you're fine liking chameleons and why would you start to change that about you?

You have to be strong enough to be confident about the decisions you make and stop worrying about what other people think. If you really want something to concentrate on that isn't you and isn't in other people's heads, judge people on their actions - how they treat you and others. They might not say anything about your looks, but always praise you to the boss for your teamwork on the projects. They might say you are beautiful the way you are but always leave a measly tip for the waitress. You get to decide what's important to YOU and walk away from the rest.

devil_in_a_blue_dress

"Fat acceptance" is all about not judging bodies that do not belong to you.

There is nothing morally conflicting about that. If you don't like how somebody else looks, don't look. Weight does not equal health. You are not responsible for anyone but yourself. Encouraging people to feel good about themselves no matter what their weight is, is tremendously positive. It's not about preaching "you don't need to lose weight!" It about preaching "You are worthy just as you are".

Then why is there not "Tobacco Acceptance" or "Alcohol Acceptance" as well? Why are all life choices not praised for us being who we want to be? Clearly, there must be other factors into why it is not socially 'acceptable' to be fat. And telling someone they are physically unhealthy does NOT mean they are unworthy as an individual. I think a lot of pro-Acceptance people here are missing that point.

My boyfriend suffers from major depression. Do I tell him he's worthless? Of course not-- if I thought that, I wouldn't even be with him. But am I going to tell him he's perfectly fine the way he is, and accept him staying in bed all day? Again, of course not. If something is affecting the physical or mental health of someone I love I will speak up about it, BECAUSE I love them. Helping someone face their bad decisions and overcome them is, if anything, the most crucial part of accepting them... because you're willing to support them right now, AND to help motivate them to improve. My boyfriend does the same with me, with my journey to lose weight and overcome anger issues. We accept each other for who we are, but that doesn't mean we have to accept the fact that we can never be better than we are right now!

First all off, not all people who are "fat" are addicted to food. People addicted to alcohol and drugs actually ARE addicts. So please stop using that analogy, it's not as clever as you think.

I'm not 'being clever'. We are not discussing people who are 20 pounds overweight, or even 40. This woman is most likely between 4 and 500 pounds. She did not get to this weight by not being addicted to food in some way, although it's amusing that you seem to find that possible. She didn't wake up one day and go "Oh crap, I put on 300 pounds overnight!" Even if she has some major health issues that left her bedridden in a hospital for months (which doesn't seem likely given that she is apparently healthy enough to pose for softcore porn), that doesn't just excuse a lifetime of poor eating.

Second, weight does not equal health. There are very recent studies (published in the JAMA -- which is about as credible as you can get) the seem to show being "fat" as defined as moderately overweight live longer than their thin counterparts. Here, read: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1555137

There is nothing that prevents a moderately overweight person from living a totally productive life -- aside from how others treat them. Period. That is what fat acceptance is about. You are, presumably, not a medical doctor. Other people's health is not your concern. You are making lifestyle and health assumptions based on appearance alone. Not cool. Also assuming that thin is "better" also isn't cool.

When did I ever say that being 'thin' was better? Oh, that's right... nowhere. I have been talking about health, and health alone. The definition of a healthy weight varies from person to person, and no one has to stay at a specific number on the scale their entire life to be healthy. Again, we are not talking about "moderately overweight", we are talking about people who are 2-300 pounds overweight. That is not 'moderate' by any stretch of the imagination.

Um, fat acceptance is an entire movement that encompasses many body types not just the one pictured. Also, do you know the woman pictured personally? You have NO idea how or what she eats. You are making a LOT of assumptions. LOTS. You don't know her medical history. You don't know if she eats to maintain this size to have work, therefore money to feed her family. She might just like the taste of food.

And you clearly do seem to think thinness is better because you seem to think thinness = health. It does not. Also, the health of other people is NOT your concern. Your concern is unnecessary and misguided. What is it to YOU what I weigh? Is your life positively affected because you are talking to me and I am a "health" weight. No. Don't think so.

Honey, you are just full of the hangry today. How many times do I have to say that I am not advocating being 'thin'? So what if you have a little tummy pooch. So what if you have a double chin. So what if you have cankles, chubby underarms, a big butt, or "thunder thighs". I may have all these things even at my goal weight! I specifically said that healthy weights vary from person to person. It would behoove you to actually read my posts instead of jumping to create ludicrous scenarios for a stranger (feeding her family? really? how is that not an assumption of your own?) instead of admitting that you are taking this too far.

P.S. "Liking the taste of food", in excess, is an eating disorder. I am making an assumption here but I highly, highly doubt that if this woman was eating less than 3,000 calories a day, that she would be at the weight she is in this picture. It is possible to like the taste of food too much, and that is where the addiction comes in.

You know, this conversation is pointless. Thanks for your time.

Ahahahahahaha. Hahahahaha. Oh excuse me. I'm just going to go laugh my head off at how a debate where I was exposing your points as nonsensical turns into a "pointless" conversation. Thanks for your time bb! Go eat something, I think you're hungry.

Look, you apparently don't know forum rules. I stopped because I am not going to get into personal attacks.

I don't know forum rules? Which ones, exactly, am I violating? Go ahead and report me if I am. That doesn't change the fact that you butted out of a conversation because you apparently had nothing to say that wasn't a personal attack towards me. Kind of sad.

Specifically: "Go Eat Something", that would be taunting. I can accept you might not meant that as such, I don't report people. However, what I am saying to you is you are unwilling to have a debate that is based in facts. I have posted a few different links -- you are not responding to any of that info. You just keep saying the same things over and over. So yeah, I have nothing more to say.

I keep saying the same things over and over because you are consistently putting words in my mouth and telling me I believe things I do not believe. So I will respond to your links in numbered points instead, to make it clearer.

1) BMI is not the best way to measure health. Body Fat Percentage, while similar, is much more accurate. That being said...

2) I. Have. Never. Said. That. You. Have. To. Be. "Skinny". To. Be. Healthy. I just don't know how many more times I have to say this!

3) "Conclusions and Relevance Relative to normal weight, both obesity (all grades) and grades 2 and 3 obesity were associated with significantly higher all-cause mortality. Grade 1 obesity overall was not associated with higher mortality, and overweight was associated with significantly lower all-cause mortality."
How is what I've said not relevant to this? I said that someone being morbidly obese-- falling into the grades 2 or 3 obesity rating for the purpose of comparison to this study's results-- is dangerous to their health. I never said that someone who put on a bit of weight after having a baby, the "freshman fifteen", or even gaining 50 pounds over the course of many years is unhealthy. I have been, this entire time, talking about people who are for their height and body stature morbidly obese.

And fat acceptance isn't JUST about morbid obesity.

juicyascanbe

I TOTALLY AGREE!!!! Ive always been big and very well proportioned. Although I love me the way I am theres nothing wrong with me wanting to better myself by losing weight and living a healthier lifestyle. Luckily I have family and friends who not only accept me the way I am but they also motivate & support me to do better

rieann84

When I look at that picture, I think she is pretty..but unhealthy. I think many people take the "fat acceptance" movement as an excuse to feed their body garbage and sit on their *kitten* all day. It should be called "body acceptance", because not everyone is going to be able to have the physique of Gisele Bundchen. It's just not possible. It should be about working with what you got and accepting YOUR body for what it is at it's healthiest.

chuckponygirl

"Fat acceptance" is all about not judging bodies that do not belong to you.

There is nothing morally conflicting about that. If you don't like how somebody else looks, don't look. Weight does not equal health. You are not responsible for anyone but yourself. Encouraging people to feel good about themselves no matter what their weight is, is tremendously positive. It's not about preaching "you don't need to lose weight!" It about preaching "You are worthy just as you are".

^ My thoughts exactly!

Ramberta

"Fat acceptance" is all about not judging bodies that do not belong to you.

There is nothing morally conflicting about that. If you don't like how somebody else looks, don't look. Weight does not equal health. You are not responsible for anyone but yourself. Encouraging people to feel good about themselves no matter what their weight is, is tremendously positive. It's not about preaching "you don't need to lose weight!" It about preaching "You are worthy just as you are".

Then why is there not "Tobacco Acceptance" or "Alcohol Acceptance" as well? Why are all life choices not praised for us being who we want to be? Clearly, there must be other factors into why it is not socially 'acceptable' to be fat. And telling someone they are physically unhealthy does NOT mean they are unworthy as an individual. I think a lot of pro-Acceptance people here are missing that point.

My boyfriend suffers from major depression. Do I tell him he's worthless? Of course not-- if I thought that, I wouldn't even be with him. But am I going to tell him he's perfectly fine the way he is, and accept him staying in bed all day? Again, of course not. If something is affecting the physical or mental health of someone I love I will speak up about it, BECAUSE I love them. Helping someone face their bad decisions and overcome them is, if anything, the most crucial part of accepting them... because you're willing to support them right now, AND to help motivate them to improve. My boyfriend does the same with me, with my journey to lose weight and overcome anger issues. We accept each other for who we are, but that doesn't mean we have to accept the fact that we can never be better than we are right now!

First all off, not all people who are "fat" are addicted to food. People addicted to alcohol and drugs actually ARE addicts. So please stop using that analogy, it's not as clever as you think.

I'm not 'being clever'. We are not discussing people who are 20 pounds overweight, or even 40. This woman is most likely between 4 and 500 pounds. She did not get to this weight by not being addicted to food in some way, although it's amusing that you seem to find that possible. She didn't wake up one day and go "Oh crap, I put on 300 pounds overnight!" Even if she has some major health issues that left her bedridden in a hospital for months (which doesn't seem likely given that she is apparently healthy enough to pose for softcore porn), that doesn't just excuse a lifetime of poor eating.

Second, weight does not equal health. There are very recent studies (published in the JAMA -- which is about as credible as you can get) the seem to show being "fat" as defined as moderately overweight live longer than their thin counterparts. Here, read: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1555137

There is nothing that prevents a moderately overweight person from living a totally productive life -- aside from how others treat them. Period. That is what fat acceptance is about. You are, presumably, not a medical doctor. Other people's health is not your concern. You are making lifestyle and health assumptions based on appearance alone. Not cool. Also assuming that thin is "better" also isn't cool.

When did I ever say that being 'thin' was better? Oh, that's right... nowhere. I have been talking about health, and health alone. The definition of a healthy weight varies from person to person, and no one has to stay at a specific number on the scale their entire life to be healthy. Again, we are not talking about "moderately overweight", we are talking about people who are 2-300 pounds overweight. That is not 'moderate' by any stretch of the imagination.

Um, fat acceptance is an entire movement that encompasses many body types not just the one pictured. Also, do you know the woman pictured personally? You have NO idea how or what she eats. You are making a LOT of assumptions. LOTS. You don't know her medical history. You don't know if she eats to maintain this size to have work, therefore money to feed her family. She might just like the taste of food.

And you clearly do seem to think thinness is better because you seem to think thinness = health. It does not. Also, the health of other people is NOT your concern. Your concern is unnecessary and misguided. What is it to YOU what I weigh? Is your life positively affected because you are talking to me and I am a "health" weight. No. Don't think so.

Honey, you are just full of the hangry today. How many times do I have to say that I am not advocating being 'thin'? So what if you have a little tummy pooch. So what if you have a double chin. So what if you have cankles, chubby underarms, a big butt, or "thunder thighs". I may have all these things even at my goal weight! I specifically said that healthy weights vary from person to person. It would behoove you to actually read my posts instead of jumping to create ludicrous scenarios for a stranger (feeding her family? really? how is that not an assumption of your own?) instead of admitting that you are taking this too far.

P.S. "Liking the taste of food", in excess, is an eating disorder. I am making an assumption here but I highly, highly doubt that if this woman was eating less than 3,000 calories a day, that she would be at the weight she is in this picture. It is possible to like the taste of food too much, and that is where the addiction comes in.

You know, this conversation is pointless. Thanks for your time.

Ahahahahahaha. Hahahahaha. Oh excuse me. I'm just going to go laugh my head off at how a debate where I was exposing your points as nonsensical turns into a "pointless" conversation. Thanks for your time bb! Go eat something, I think you're hungry.

Look, you apparently don't know forum rules. I stopped because I am not going to get into personal attacks.

I don't know forum rules? Which ones, exactly, am I violating? Go ahead and report me if I am. That doesn't change the fact that you butted out of a conversation because you apparently had nothing to say that wasn't a personal attack towards me. Kind of sad.

Specifically: "Go Eat Something", that would be taunting. I can accept you might not meant that as such, I don't report people. However, what I am saying to you is you are unwilling to have a debate that is based in facts. I have posted a few different links -- you are not responding to any of that info. You just keep saying the same things over and over. So yeah, I have nothing more to say.

I keep saying the same things over and over because you are consistently putting words in my mouth and telling me I believe things I do not believe. So I will respond to your links in numbered points instead, to make it clearer.

1) BMI is not the best way to measure health. Body Fat Percentage, while similar, is much more accurate. That being said...

2) I. Have. Never. Said. That. You. Have. To. Be. "Skinny". To. Be. Healthy. I just don't know how many more times I have to say this!

3) "Conclusions and Relevance Relative to normal weight, both obesity (all grades) and grades 2 and 3 obesity were associated with significantly higher all-cause mortality. Grade 1 obesity overall was not associated with higher mortality, and overweight was associated with significantly lower all-cause mortality."
How is what I've said not relevant to this? I said that someone being morbidly obese-- falling into the grades 2 or 3 obesity rating for the purpose of comparison to this study's results-- is dangerous to their health. I never said that someone who put on a bit of weight after having a baby, the "freshman fifteen", or even gaining 50 pounds over the course of many years is unhealthy. I have been, this entire time, talking about people who are for their height and body stature morbidly obese.

And fat acceptance isn't JUST about morbid obesity.

No, but that is the part that I have an issue with. If it were just about people who are considered 'overweight', I would be 100% on board. But once you pass a certain threshold (and again, this is different for everyone), you are not only overweight, you are unhealthy.

My current body fat percentage is 53%. That means that over half my body is composed of pure fat. No matter how you spin it, that is unhealthy! Just because I don't have diabetes or high blood pressure doesn't mean I'm the picture of health. And just because someone is 120 lbs doesn't mean THEY are the picture of health either!

And as beautiful as I think that model is, I would be sickened if anyone told her that losing weight would be a bad idea! The problem with Fat Acceptance is that it goes too far in the opposite direction and becomes reverse discrimination.