Coconut Oil Help?
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Pardon my intrusion - long time mFP user, just not active recently, and having been through the nutritional wringer on this subject myself (I poured over ALL of the research for many years, and especially recently after I went through with my VSG)
A few things here that I feel the need to point out.
HDL/LDL - there's nothing good or bad about one or the other. It's the ratio you that you should be most concerned about. As long as someone's LDL is proportionate to their HDL, it's fine. It just means that these PROTEINS are doing their job by providing and scooping up the cholesterol in your blood stream.
Cholesterol - It's not the evil thing people are brainwashed into thinking it is. As a matter of fact, no woman should ever take statins to lower cholesterol, unless of course they don't want to live a long life. Men are another story - I still don't believe they should take statins anyway. Cholesterol is VITAL to our organs, cells, lymph, you name it. If it wasn't so desperately needed by our bodies, why then do the vast majority of our cells have the ability to manufacture cholesterol as needed?
Saturated Fats, especially those in coconut oil, clarified Ghee and lard are HEALTHY. Don't let anyone in the medical industry tell you otherwise. There's an interesting article I found recently that shows an experiment where cattle farmers used coconut oil to help them "finish" their livestock to prepare them for butcher. Problem is, the coconut oil was making them LEANER. They had to switch to the stuff that everyone else is being tricked into thinking is good for you but actually is horrible, horrible stuff. (Canola, Corn oil to name a couple.
It makes me sick to think that people think that Soybean oil is any better. Hell, even Wikipedia has it succinctly with facts to back it up:
"To produce soybean oil, the soybeans are cracked, adjusted for moisture content, heated to between 60 and 88 ºC (140–190 °F), rolled into flakes, and solvent-extracted with hexanes."
So to produce soybean oil, they crack them (not unlike coffee roasting from what I've researched), adjusted for moisture content (again, like coffee roasting) rolled into flakes and then solvent-extracted with hexanes. They used essentially what amounts to gasoline (for the overly dramatic flair of course) to extract this "healthy" oil. (smh)
Don't believe everything you read. DO research the snot out of things.
The 3-4 tablespoons a day of coconut oil seems a bit excessive to me - even pre-op, I only used about 2 Tbsp a week in my cooking, INCLUDING on my one vice - stove popped popcorn.
I'm happy to see that there are other people on here that use coconut oil to make the little chocolate treats - my sister makes them (freezes them) and they're outstanding, and you'd never know you were eating essentially 95% oil. It's fantastic!
Saturated fats are NOT the health demons that the modern world would lead you to believe. Oils, namely artifically produced oils, are evil. Trans fats are only part of the truth.
Go against the grain and figure out what works, but I'll put it this way.
I cook entirely with ghee, coconut oil and soon to be lard (waiting for a local natural grocer to get a shipment in) and my latest blood panel was outstanding, and I'm a 32 year old male. 6'3", ~ 364#. My doctor had to look at it twice to be sure it was really mine, and then I told them what I use to cook with.
Even physicians today are misinformed. Don't believe everything people tell you - real life, on these forums or otherwise. Do the research. Start with good sources. Weston A Price has some good stuff on the subject. As do many reputable doctors online. The overwhelming truths that are available are what swayed me. When everyone who was against "big medicine" was saying one thing, it got me thinking. So I tried it. The blood panel is just one of many recently that were markedly improved. Best of all, My attitude kicks butt now. When I avoided fats, saturated or otherwise, I was a depressed moody SOB who couldn't build muscle either.
Not anymore.
There is nothing I can add to this, it sums up my own research perfectly. Coconut oil is used as energy and not stored as fat, it along with Ghee and Lard are not bad for us at all. My dietary intake is made up mainly with sat fats, then protein, then carbs. I am T2 diabetic though.0 -
I am sure saturated fat is fine.... in moderation! Moderation in all things is key. That seems to be a missed point on MFP across the board.0
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Just an FYI. I do not come here to debate or argue or get into a pissing match. Anyone who has access to a search engine may go look for their own research. I tire of posting a research link just to have the one demanding proof to poo-poo the source. The fact is that once someone has it in their head that someone else is wrong, there is no source good enough. You are welcome to post your research links proving me wrong. Happy hunting.
Well when you show up in a thread and try to claim some nonsense contrary to all actual evidence, expect people to call you on it and tell you that it's nonsense.0 -
I use coconut oil when cooking EVERYTHING! It makes everything taste better! And is filled with HEALTHY GOOD fats and tons of other nutritional benefits! Rule of thumb is just to sub it out whenever any type of oil is called for, my Mother and Step-father use it even in their oatmeal! She has Fibro Myliga and he has Parkinson's so they eat it regularly! I love to saute veggies in it with a little seasoning packet or just salt and pepper, also love to cook organic chicken breasts and wild caught salmon in it! I even have recipes for totally healthy guilt free chicken tenders and salmon patties pan fried in coconut oil! My dad has heart disease and I take my food pretty seriously! LOL I also love to make spinach Frittatas with tuna, veggies, and no cheese, the coconut oil tastes so good that you feel like you are over doing it but the scale never shows a problem! LOVE IT! Cannot rave enough!!!
ALSO YOU CAN USE IT AS LOTION, ESPECIALLY WORKS ON ECZEMA!0 -
The you obviously didn't research it enough. Also being one of those people who say "I need peer reviewed studies to show it's benefits" without doing your own research can come across as lazy. It has helped two of my friends with cold sores better than other meds from the pharmacy, and there is new evidence that shows that coconut oil could help slow down alzheimer's.
This post intrigues me. Partly because I am currently working with a Mental Health group on a project re" Alzheimer's and no one in that group has heard of evidence that coconut oil can slow it. Where did you see or hear of this evidence?0 -
I use coconut oil when cooking EVERYTHING! It makes everything taste better! And is filled with HEALTHY GOOD fats and tons of other nutritional benefits!
Other than fat, what other nutrients does coconut oil offer?0 -
How did a thread about coconut oil become contentious? Coconut is one of the most nutritous foods out there and has so many beneficial uses. It's pretty much my favorite food. Coconut oil, coconut milk, put it in shakes, soups, stews, as cooking oil. Coconut water is crazy high in potassium, the meat is high in beneficial fats. Whats not to love?
You got your shrimp cocktails, your fried shimp, your grilled shimp, your.........0 -
How did a thread about coconut oil become contentious? Coconut is one of the most nutritous foods out there and has so many beneficial uses. It's pretty much my favorite food. Coconut oil, coconut milk, put it in shakes, soups, stews, as cooking oil. Coconut water is crazy high in potassium, the meat is high in beneficial fats. Whats not to love?
You got your shrimp cocktails, your fried shimp, your grilled shimp, your.........
This is how:
"no more than a tablespoon a day. I have seen people say how they just eat 3-4 tablespoons of coconut oil a day and next thing you know their triglycerides look great! BUT their BAD cholesterol is through the roof."0 -
I don't think there is any good research except some random person that said it helped. If you've done research then you'll know of the ketone connection to Alzheimer's and from what I've gathered the low carb diet is gathering steam for the treatment of Alzheimer's. Anyway the body produces some ketones when coconut oil is consumed and since fat is an integral part of a ketogenic diet, that's probably why it's gathering steam. imoThe you obviously didn't research it enough. Also being one of those people who say "I need peer reviewed studies to show it's benefits" without doing your own research can come across as lazy. It has helped two of my friends with cold sores better than other meds from the pharmacy, and there is new evidence that shows that coconut oil could help slow down Alzheimer's.
This post intrigues me. Partly because I am currently working with a Mental Health group on a project re" Alzheimer's and no one in that group has heard of evidence that coconut oil can slow it. Where did you see or hear of this evidence?0 -
Pardon my intrusion - long time mFP user, just not active recently, and having been through the nutritional wringer on this subject myself (I poured over ALL of the research for many years, and especially recently after I went through with my VSG)
A few things here that I feel the need to point out.
HDL/LDL - there's nothing good or bad about one or the other. It's the ratio you that you should be most concerned about. As long as someone's LDL is proportionate to their HDL, it's fine. It just means that these PROTEINS are doing their job by providing and scooping up the cholesterol in your blood stream.
While the ratio is important, there is something bad about LDL and vLDL. The fact that it's bad is why the ratio is important. LDL causes clogged arteries. HDL prevents it. This is why one is refered to as "bad" and the other "good".Cholesterol - It's not the evil thing people are brainwashed into thinking it is. As a matter of fact, no woman should ever take statins to lower cholesterol, unless of course they don't want to live a long life. Men are another story - I still don't believe they should take statins anyway. Cholesterol is VITAL to our organs, cells, lymph, you name it. If it wasn't so desperately needed by our bodies, why then do the vast majority of our cells have the ability to manufacture cholesterol as needed?
While I agree that statins are over-prescribed in this country and the side effects largely ignored, saying that no woman should ever take them is ridiculous. If a woman is not going to make an effort to control blood cholesterol levels with diet and lifestyle, statins may prolong her life. But diet and lifestyle should always be the preference for any person, regarless of gender. Unfortunately, most people would rather take the med, than make the effort to change their lifestyle. Side effects don't always outway the good in a med.Saturated Fats, especially those in coconut oil, clarified Ghee and lard are HEALTHY. Don't let anyone in the medical industry tell you otherwise.
Not true. Saturated fats from animal sources have a worse affect on blood cholesterol levels than from vegetable sources. Grouping coconut oil and lard together is silly. There is plenty of research to back this up.Even physicians today are misinformed. Don't believe everything people tell you - real life, on these forums or otherwise. Do the research. Start with good sources. Weston A Price has some good stuff on the subject. As do many reputable doctors online. The overwhelming truths that are available are what swayed me. When everyone who was against "big medicine" was saying one thing, it got me thinking. So I tried it. The blood panel is just one of many recently that were markedly improved. Best of all, My attitude kicks butt now. When I avoided fats, saturated or otherwise, I was a depressed moody SOB who couldn't build muscle either.
Don't believe doctors, except reputable doctors online. Here's a link.?? Don't believe what doctors and other people tell you, believe my personal example?? I switched from low fat to a diet that includes fat so that proves saturated fat is good??? :huh:0 -
If your a lipid researcher and scientist there is no good or bad cholesterol, that's a journalistic made up term for us people that don't need to know all the details, because we wouldn't understand anyway.0
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Pardon my intrusion - long time mFP user, just not active recently, and having been through the nutritional wringer on this subject myself (I poured over ALL of the research for many years, and especially recently after I went through with my VSG)
A few things here that I feel the need to point out.
HDL/LDL - there's nothing good or bad about one or the other. It's the ratio you that you should be most concerned about. As long as someone's LDL is proportionate to their HDL, it's fine. It just means that these PROTEINS are doing their job by providing and scooping up the cholesterol in your blood stream.
While the ratio is important, there is something bad about LDL and vLDL. The fact that it's bad is why the ratio is important. LDL causes clogged arteries. HDL prevents it. This is why one is refered to as "bad" and the other "good".Cholesterol - It's not the evil thing people are brainwashed into thinking it is. As a matter of fact, no woman should ever take statins to lower cholesterol, unless of course they don't want to live a long life. Men are another story - I still don't believe they should take statins anyway. Cholesterol is VITAL to our organs, cells, lymph, you name it. If it wasn't so desperately needed by our bodies, why then do the vast majority of our cells have the ability to manufacture cholesterol as needed?
While I agree that statins are over-prescribed in this country and the side effects largely ignored, saying that no woman should ever take them is ridiculous. If a woman is not going to make an effort to control blood cholesterol levels with diet and lifestyle, statins may prolong her life. But diet and lifestyle should always be the preference for any person, regarless of gender. Unfortunately, most people would rather take the med, than make the effort to change their lifestyle. Side effects don't always outway the good in a med.Saturated Fats, especially those in coconut oil, clarified Ghee and lard are HEALTHY. Don't let anyone in the medical industry tell you otherwise.
Not true. Saturated fats from animal sources have a worse affect on blood cholesterol levels than from vegetable sources. Grouping coconut oil and lard together is silly. There is plenty of research to back this up.Even physicians today are misinformed. Don't believe everything people tell you - real life, on these forums or otherwise. Do the research. Start with good sources. Weston A Price has some good stuff on the subject. As do many reputable doctors online. The overwhelming truths that are available are what swayed me. When everyone who was against "big medicine" was saying one thing, it got me thinking. So I tried it. The blood panel is just one of many recently that were markedly improved. Best of all, My attitude kicks butt now. When I avoided fats, saturated or otherwise, I was a depressed moody SOB who couldn't build muscle either.
Don't believe doctors, except reputable doctors online. Here's a link.?? Don't believe what doctors and other people tell you, believe my personal example?? I switched from low fat to a diet that includes fat so that proves saturated fat is good??? :huh:
wait you still believe saturated fats are bad?0 -
There's one story of a doctor that gave her husband a daily dose of coconut oil. His cognitive functions improved, seemingly halting the progression of his Alzheimer's disease. This same story is cut, pasted and repeated all over the internet.I am currently working with a Mental Health group on a project re" Alzheimer's and no one in that group has heard of evidence that coconut oil can slow it. Where did you see or hear of this evidence?
There haven't been any studies to show the benefits (or lack thereof) of consuming coconut oil. Who knows if it's actually beneficial?0 -
Exactly. The connection with coconut oil are ketones and the ketogenic diet is shown to have some benefit, which is basically a low carb diet and because the body produces ketones when coconut oil is consumed, that correlation it appears ir being made.
There's one story of a doctor that gave her husband a daily dose of coconut oil. His cognitive functions improved, seemingly halting the progression of his Alzheimer's disease. This same story is cut, pasted and repeated all over the internet.I am currently working with a Mental Health group on a project re" Alzheimer's and no one in that group has heard of evidence that coconut oil can slow it. Where did you see or hear of this evidence?
There haven't been any studies to show the benefits or lack thereof consuming coconut oil. Who knows if it's actually beneficial?0 -
wait you still believe saturated fats are bad?
Without debating the semantics of "bad", my answer is yes and no. I believe saturated fats from dairy and red meat are "bad". By that I mean they are fats that it's better to eat less rather than more of. But, no. I do not believe all saturated fats are "bad".0 -
There's one story of a doctor that gave her husband a daily dose of coconut oil. His cognitive functions improved, seemingly halting the progression of his Alzheimer's disease. This same story is cut, pasted and repeated all over the internet.I am currently working with a Mental Health group on a project re" Alzheimer's and no one in that group has heard of evidence that coconut oil can slow it. Where did you see or hear of this evidence?
There haven't been any studies to show the benefits (or lack thereof) of consuming coconut oil. Who knows if it's actually beneficial?
OIC Well, I suppose one anecdotal story is "evidence" of a sort, but I understand why a research group would not consider it so.0 -
I use coconut oil for cooking and as a skin lotion. Can't say it has any magic weight loss powers, I just like it and so does my cat. Seems to work for hairballs if you have that issue.
My cat loves coconut oil too but I was worried it was bad for her. This would explain why she hasn't had any hairballs in a longtime!
As for me, I use coconut oil with shea butter as a body moisturizer. I use it alone as a face moisturizer. And I also cook with it!
The funny thing about using it on my skin is that people think I'm wearing perfume. I always get compliments lol!0 -
wait you still believe saturated fats are bad?
Without debating the semantics of "bad", my answer is yes and no. I believe saturated fats from dairy and red meat are "bad". By that I mean they are fats that it's better to eat less rather than more of. But, no. I do not believe all saturated fats are "bad".
thanks for not debating the semantics. and that's fair.0 -
i like to smear that all over my body.
:flowerforyou: :laugh:0 -
My girlfriend and I eat over two Tbs a day. We cook everything in it. Trader Joes as a great coconut oil and its very cheap .0
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I cook with it or add it to my protein shakes. It's also good on toast with marmalade, the orange flavor goes well with the mild coconut taste.0
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I use coconut oil as it's good for decreasing the inflammation in your body. I usually fry my eggs in it or use it in my smoothies.0
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OIC Well, I suppose one anecdotal story is "evidence" of a sort, but I understand why a research group would not consider it so.
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No doubt. If a research group spent the time and money to do an actual study these threads would be lacking in speculation and conjecture. Where's the fun in that?0 -
I use the coconut oil spray instead of olive oil. The only thing I don't like about it is you can taste coconut in everything you cook, and I'm not a coconut fan. However, it helps with the thyroid, so it boosts metabolism and it helps control blood sugars by improving insulin use in the body.
It is also a great anti fungal.0 -
I love coconut oil. I spread a little on a healthy ryvita cracker and then a tsp of sunbutter over that. You can put peanut butter or almond butter ( in replacement of sunbutter) on top if you like. I am allergic to peanu ts.
Its delicious that way.0 -
Just an FYI. I do not come here to debate or argue or get into a pissing match. Anyone who has access to a search engine may go look for their own research. I tire of posting a research link just to have the one demanding proof to poo-poo the source. The fact is that once someone has it in their head that someone else is wrong, there is no source good enough. You are welcome to post your research links proving me wrong. Happy hunting.
Well when you show up in a thread and try to claim some nonsense contrary to all actual evidence, expect people to call you on it and tell you that it's nonsense.
Carry on.0 -
It's not some kind of magic oil that you can go around spurting out of your magic wand turning fatties into hotties.
But wouldn't it be cool if it was? Could the magic wand be purple with lavender sparkles on it? 'cause I love purple.0 -
I am afraid to ask.. but I will Do you guys log the coconut oil in your diary or not... like if I add it too cook food and am using it to cook with or putting a wee in my coffee... and I count it.. it seems like it is hard to stay under my fat limit.. is this a fat that should be logged? (I usually log everything and try to keep all my "fats" "good" fats... but am confused now...:sad:0
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I am afraid to ask.. but I will Do you guys log the coconut oil in your diary or not... like if I add it too cook food and am using it to cook with or putting a wee in my coffee... and I count it.. it seems like it is hard to stay under my fat limit.. is this a fat that should be logged? (I usually log everything and try to keep all my "fats" "good" fats... but am confused now...:sad:
First I'd suggest against weeing in your coffee. That doesn't sound good.
And yes, I log everything that I eat, no matter what, and no matter how little. Sometimes I'll log 1/2 or 3/4 of oil I cook with if I feel significant amounts were left in the pan.
How do you have your macros set? Many suggest changing the MFP default to 40/30/30 C/P/F. This generally results in approx 1g of Protein per pound lean mass and 0.65g fat per pound of body mass.0 -
I am afraid to ask.. but I will Do you guys log the coconut oil in your diary or not... like if I add it too cook food and am using it to cook with or putting a wee in my coffee... and I count it.. it seems like it is hard to stay under my fat limit.. is this a fat that should be logged? (I usually log everything and try to keep all my "fats" "good" fats... but am confused now...:sad:
Fat has more than twice the calories of carbs or protein. If you are trying to watch calories you should definitely log all fat consumed.0
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