A dog you can trust or a dog that will kill?
Yesterday in the newspaper in the UK was an article about a 14 yo girl that was killed by 4 dogs (although there were 5 dogs in this small house.
The dogs that killed the girl were 2 staffies and 2 bull mastiffs. The 5th dog was in another room. the police shot the 4 dogs that mauled the poor girl.
Here is a link to the secondary article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2300234/Jade-Lomas-Anderson-death-Jobless-single-mum-Bev-Concannon-dogs-mauled-girl-goes-hiding.html
On the radio there was a debate from 2 respected people in the `dog world` one of these people said that staffies are classed as `nursing dogs` and are recommended for people with small children?
Also during the debate was the fact that it had never been recorded that a poodle had bitten or attacked a child?
I have a little toy `teddy bear` poodle who is the sweetest thing but I am sure some of you have staffies and bull mastiffs?
What are your opinions as to the safety of dogs around children is there a breed of dog that you would not trust?
The dogs that killed the girl were 2 staffies and 2 bull mastiffs. The 5th dog was in another room. the police shot the 4 dogs that mauled the poor girl.
Here is a link to the secondary article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2300234/Jade-Lomas-Anderson-death-Jobless-single-mum-Bev-Concannon-dogs-mauled-girl-goes-hiding.html
On the radio there was a debate from 2 respected people in the `dog world` one of these people said that staffies are classed as `nursing dogs` and are recommended for people with small children?
Also during the debate was the fact that it had never been recorded that a poodle had bitten or attacked a child?
I have a little toy `teddy bear` poodle who is the sweetest thing but I am sure some of you have staffies and bull mastiffs?
What are your opinions as to the safety of dogs around children is there a breed of dog that you would not trust?
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No breed is a bad breed when trained correctly.0
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I have been bitten by three different poodles, they can be nasty and tempermental so that's total bs. I keep Pitbulls and people always make faces, but I would have 10 well trained Pits around my kids before I would have one poodle.0
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No breed is a bad breed when trained correctly.
this. some are tempered differently but overall if you train them correctly you shouldnt have problems. I have a border collie and she is never around little kids. The odd time that she is she is very gentle and playful.
ETA: everything ive read about border collies says they are bad around little kids.0 -
Nature v. Nurture. Also, if you're going to get an "aggressive" breed you really should know the bloodlines. Alas, I grew up with standard poodles, so I've never had any experience with such dogs as an owner, although I've met some really sweet "aggressive" breeds.0
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No breed is a bad breed when trained correctly.
This.0 -
Some people say neutering will calm down the dog also?
I understand the whole ` a well trained dog` ethic but if they are not with the owner as in this case, and they were in a `pack` then will they be under control and trained?0 -
I'm surprised about those Mastiffs. They're typically very relaxed and chill animals, despite their menacing appearance.0
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There are certain breeds I wouldn't trust around kids. There are also breeds I wouldn't trust around adults! But pitties aren't one of them. I used to be a professional pet sitter and dog walker. I've only been bitten once, and that was by a minpin. Resulted in 9 stitches in my face. Ask me what I think about minpins!
I think the better question is: What the hell was a toddler doing in the backyard with 4 large dogs?!
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I'm surprised about those Mastiffs. They're typically very relaxed and chill animals, despite their menacing appearance.
I'm surprised too. A close friend has had a couple of Italian Mastiffs over the years and they are incredibly gentle.0 -
As you can tell from my profile I have an American Pit Bull Terrier. Training is a must. I would never put my dog in a situation were
something could happen. You have to be a responsible dog owner. i'm so sorry for the family. This will put all Staffies under suspicion as dangerous dogs which will be sad. It is just terrible all around.0 -
Two Pitbulls attacked and killed a 14 month old in Wisconsin. I don't trust pits around my boy and I never will.0
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There are certain breeds I wouldn't trust around kids. There are also breeds I wouldn't trust around adults! But pitties aren't one of them. I used to be a professional pet sitter and dog walker. I've only been bitten once, and that was by a minpin. Resulted in 9 stitches in my face. Ask me what I think about minpins!
I think the better question is: What the hell was a toddler doing in the backyard with 4 large dogs?!
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Sorry, if you misunderstood she was not a toddler she was a 14 year old girl and not in the back yard, but in the family room/lounge area eating her lunch0 -
BTW, pitties are/were known as "nanny" dogs because of their gentle nature and natural instinct to protect their children. Unfortunately they have been bred badly for many years and are common with backyard breeders and gangs (here in SoCal anyway). So pittbull attacks are fairly common these days, not only because there are a lot of pitties around, but because many are bred badly, never received proper training or care or LOVE, or were bred specifically to protect drugs, drug dealers and gang members. Pitties who are cared for, loved, treated as part of the family, and trained do not attack people.0
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Oh, then I misunderstood the article I read. I thought she was a toddler who was going to turn 2 years old in June. My mistake.There are certain breeds I wouldn't trust around kids. There are also breeds I wouldn't trust around adults! But pitties aren't one of them. I used to be a professional pet sitter and dog walker. I've only been bitten once, and that was by a minpin. Resulted in 9 stitches in my face. Ask me what I think about minpins!
I think the better question is: What the hell was a toddler doing in the backyard with 4 large dogs?!
Edited for spelling.
Sorry, if you misunderstood she was not a toddler she was a 14 year old girl and not in the back yard, but in the family room/lounge area eating her lunch
** I just found out the problem. There was a toddler in Georgia mauled by pitties also. So 2 separate stories in the news today.0 -
Ive gown up with and had dogs thoughout my life (One at a time, not all at once)...3 German Sheppards, 1 Collie, 1 Kuvasz, 1 Mut, 1 Yellow Lab, 1 Dalmation and now a Black Lab. All were great well trained dogs except 1 which was crazy so we had to put him down. He was a German Sheppard that we had and he came from an abusive household. He bit my dad so we had to let him go. Otherwise, all the others were awesome but hands down my Black Lab is the BEST! He lets the kids do whatever they want with him and so long as he gets his treats, he's a happy guy.
As for other breeds, I believe it's all in how they are raised and trained. I personally am afraid of Pit Bulls but that's only because I had 1 that attacked one of my German Sheppards (latched on to his head) and 1 that attacked me (in the face). I know they are great breeds but I fear them very badly due to my experiences.0 -
Even if we all have dog licences and leash our dogs and even go so far as to muzzle them in public, do you think this will help?
It is not going to help this young girl, but I still wonder if people should go on breeding `bull` type dogs?
Although I do understand that a lot of people have `bull ` type dogs that train their dogs and are very caring.
But do you trust your dog in your home completely?0 -
When my husband had his first dog who was a pound puppy mutt he had several small nieces and nephews. He knew that she (the dog) would be around children so he purposely would pull the tail, ears, and just annoy her in a way that a child would just to get her used to the pulling, tugging and annoyances. He never had a problem with her going after any child who did something like that to her.
Our current dog is one that was abandoned at the end of our road last year. Thankfully he is a sweet boy who absolutely LOVES people and kids. We're currently trying to get him used to other dogs (he has an alpha male issue that we're trying to curb) but he truly is the sweetest boy out there and I love him to bits. I honestly am glad that the people who had him abandoned him because his life is obviously better than it was seeing as he's gained 21lbs in the year that we've had him!
I'll admit that I am completely untrustworthy of pitt bulls however our neighbor has a rescue who was unfortunately the bait dog in a ring of fighting. While I have never personally had any bad interaction with one I just don't trust the breed. It's just me. I totally understand that any dog can be a "bad" dog because of the way it is raised but I personally don't trust pits.0 -
Just a little test, for all us dog owners?
Leave a little doll or teddy bear with your dog when you go our for a couple of hours?0 -
Just a little test, for all us dog owners?
Leave a little doll or teddy bear with your dog when you go our for a couple of hours?
Why?
I don't understand??
My dog only plays with his own toys and his treats. I have stuffed animals on the bed, my husband put one of my teddie bears right on him and he did nothing with it. He "eats" my slippers but only when they're on my feet and I'm playing with him.
I'm not sure what your test is going to accomplish.0 -
But do you trust your dog in your home completely?
I don't trust any dog completely. And I love dogs, have worked with dogs, own a dog. But they're animals. They're not capable of reason. People are capable of reason, and I still don't trust most of them.
While out running, I've happened upon many dogs, stray and on leash. The only dog I've crossed the street to avoid is a toy apricot poodle whose owner uses (misuses) a retractable leash. I know that dog will lunge after me, and I know the owner doesn't keep the leash locked.0 -
Just a little test, for all us dog owners?
Leave a little doll or teddy bear with your dog when you go our for a couple of hours?
Why?
I don't understand??
My dog only plays with his own toys and his treats. I have stuffed animals on the bed, my husband put one of my teddie bears right on him and he did nothing with it. He "eats" my slippers but only when they're on my feet and I'm playing with him.
I'm not sure what your test is going to accomplish.
This is what the guy on the radio suggested to see how your `animal` reacts to something new in their home?0 -
I have a 22month old staffie, i also have his 5 month old biological sister. I do believe it is how you raise them, they are meant to be big, rough bullies but when i was walking my male dog. He heard 2 beagles and a lab all barking at each other and getting aggressive, my boy hid behind me. I've never had my dogs bare their teeth, bark or pay any attention to dogs, humans or food. They have been raised around young children from pups, they never once have tried to assert dominance over them. Even people that come in our home adults are clambered on for affection, kids are licked on the hands and face then left alone.
It's sad when i fear my dogs being seen by someone and reported for being a pitbull type because of bad press.
All dogs are capable of anything, as long as they are properly loved, trained and cared for things like this will not happen. Don't blame the dog/breed blame the owners.xx0 -
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Never leave a child alone with any dog of any size or breed, although I admit 14 was a bit old for that to happen. But many toddlers and infants have been killed by 'cute widdle' toy breeds and sweet golden retrievers that supposedly wouldn't hurt a fly.
Dogs in groups are far more dangerous than a dog alone, too. If it was not the child's home and she was visiting or if the dogs were new to the home that would make the situation even more dangerous. If they were confined in an area and she went into that area that would have added even more to the danger.
I love dogs and my favorite breeds are the large breeds, but a couple were ready to tear me apart one day when I was out jogging not long ago. First time in my entire life I've ever been truly afraid of a dog. Because they didn't see me as a person, they saw me as prey, and what they wanted to do was get me to flee so they could run me down. Really drove home for me the fact that dogs are animals and while they are domesticated they can't be fully trusted, ever.0 -
There are certain breeds I wouldn't trust around kids. There are also breeds I wouldn't trust around adults! But pitties aren't one of them. I used to be a professional pet sitter and dog walker. I've only been bitten once, and that was by a minpin. Resulted in 9 stitches in my face. Ask me what I think about minpins!
I think the better question is: What the hell was a toddler doing in the backyard with 4 large dogs?!
Edited for spelling.
I was bitten in the face twice by our Cocker Spaniel when I was little. I'm not a fan of Min Pins either. I do rescue transports, and the only time I did not let a dog ride uncrated in my car (they're always tethered) was when I picked up a min pin that acted like he wanted to tear me to pieces. We also have a Yorkie in the rescue that is like a mini Cujo. Not sure what happened to him before we got him. It's sad. Every single Pit Bull or mix has been very sweet. I have a Pit mix myself, and her mission in life is to sneak attack me with kisses.0 -
There is NO "mean breed" or "safe breed". There are poorly trained/poorly raised/abused dogs of all breeds who can turn vicious when cornered or provoked. I've worked in three veterinary clinics & I've been bit by several small "friendly" dogs, but never even growled at by the larger dogs. I'm not saying large dogs cannot be turned mean, but there are no mean or nice traits that are breed specific, anymore than one race of people is nicer or meaner than another.
Edit after reading all the comments: If you distrust any one specific breed, or you can't trust your own pets completely, you are not a dog person & I pity your pets.0 -
Awww @innerfatgirl your dog is the spitting image of my boscoe0
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Two Pitbulls attacked and killed a 14 month old in Wisconsin. I don't trust pits around my boy and I never will.
So if a man kills a baby, do you stop trusting all males? Or if a baby dies in a car accident, do you never put a child in another car?0 -
What many presenters have failed to recognise and disclose is the fact that these dogs were cross breads not full Staffordshire bull terriers, my sister has a beautiful staffy who is the kindest dog I've Ben around but he has also been raised by equally loving owners! Any dog can be trained into a killing machine whether it be staff or Labrador unfortunately these gang members choose to use Staffordshires! We also have not been aware whether these dogs had been starved for the past god knows how many months and attacked because of this reason (wanting the girls food).
We live in a world of ignorant people who are to quick to judge based on stereotypes and the media. it's not the breed its the owner!
I'd also like to not that even though the girl was 14 when it comes to child attacks, I would never leave any child under 5 in the same room as any breed of dog this is just waiting for an accident of some sort!0 -
I have to say though that it also depends on how the dog is breeded and how much inter-breeding has gone on. We had neighbors who had pure bred German shepherds who were (and please excuse the word but I don't know how else to describe them) retarded. I think they were SO inter bred that it made these dogs retarded. When we went out on our back patio and they were out they'd bark. incessantly. They knew my husband. He had been over the house dozens upon DOZENS of times yet every time he stepped on their property the dogs acted like they wanted to kill him, even though they knew who he was.
It's not that they were poorly trained just really, really REALLY inter bred.
I'm a total and complete animal lover and I have had people who have had huge dogs that just turn to putty in my hands and I have been told by the owners that the dogs have never acted that way with anyone. That doesn't mean I trust them. Hell I don't trust my own dog some times because I don't completely know him or what he's capable of.0
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