A dog you can trust or a dog that will kill?
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No breed is a bad breed when trained correctly.
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No breed is a bad breed when trained correctly.
This.
And the evidence for this statement is where? Oh yeah there is none its just internet rhetoric.0 -
I have three dogs, a German Shepard/Husky mix, a Yorkie, and a miniature chihuahua. I also have three kids, they are 7, 13, and 16. We have had at least two dogs in our home since my kids were babies and never had a single issue with any of them. We even had a pitbull that belonged to a friend for a while. It is all about the training and knowing the temperment of the individual dog. Don't put your animal in a situation where you know they may not react well.0
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No breed is bad when well trained, BUT you should still never leave a child and dog alone. Any dog can turn.
7 of any breed in one house is asking for pack mentality, which is stupid ownership. I love dogs, but I don't trust them. They're animals.
I have been attacked by dogs. A St. Bernard when I was 4, and it was a severe attack. I was not alone when it happened because I was at a family picnic and was sitting beside my mother. The dog still picked me up and shook me like I was a toy, tearing by back open. I still have small scars all over my back. He'd never attacked anyone before and the owner was dumbfounded.
I was attacked by a poodle over a toy when I was 5. I put a toy down on the dining table, went to pick it up, and the poodle bit me unprovoked. I have a scar on my hand from it. I wasn't alone at the time, either, and I wasn't even paying attention to the dog.
I was attacked by a beagle we failed to rescue. He attacked me to take a sandwich away from me. I was alone at the time, and it was pretty scary. He ripped my jeans but didn't break skin before I was able to get away and let him have the sandwich. I left him alone in the house until my SO was able to help me get him out. I was an adult in my late 20s.
My mother has 3 very well trained dogs. 2 are pure pits, one is a Jack Russell/American Bulldog mix (not a pit, but looks very similar). The time with the kids and all three dogs is very limited. The oldest dog is 13, and even though he hasn't bitten anyone, he has no contact with the kids just in case. The other 2 are very playful, but we still watch and limit time.0 -
First of all, the dog pictures are adorable! I've had dogs all my life, I usually find that the smaller breeds are more apt to bite, they have to protect themselves because of their size, also it depends on the age, sometimes they tend to get crankier when they get older because their bodies ache ect.. You shouldn't trust any dog completely..they do have animal instincts.0
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There are some KIDS that I would not trust around any breed of dog.
This is so true. When my 13 year old was little she was so mean to my mother's dog that one day the dog bit her. (It was a little maltese) It wasn't a bad bite, never broke the skin, the dog was just telling her in its own way to stop what she was doing. My daughter came crying to me about the dog biting her and my first question was, "What did you do to the dog?" Then I got the whole story, about her playing (aka torturing) the dog and pulling her tail, etc.0 -
We have three dogs, the largest is a lab.. she is so sweet and honestly I couldn't see her ever hurting anyone even if someone broke into our house she'd probably lick them...smh.... Then we have our pitbull/doberman and he's sweet as pie as well, though he is protective....then we have the demon.
The demon is the same age as my pit, but a quarter of the size, she is a pomeagle mix and she bites and she bites hard and she doesn't even give a single **** about it. That thing is the scariest of all my dogs, and she's the size of my shoe.
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BTW, pitties are/were known as "nanny" dogs because of their gentle nature and natural instinct to protect their children. Unfortunately they have been bred badly for many years and are common with backyard breeders and gangs (here in SoCal anyway). So pittbull attacks are fairly common these days, not only because there are a lot of pitties around, but because many are bred badly, never received proper training or care or LOVE, or were bred specifically to protect drugs, drug dealers and gang members. Pitties who are cared for, loved, treated as part of the family, and trained do not attack people.
^^ THIS! Best dog I've been around was a Pit Bull my brother had, best dog ever, of course I can't get one until i purchase my own home because nearly every apartment complex has an "aggressive breed" restriction...smh.0 -
I grew up around big dogs, sheperds, rotts, pits, mastiffs, ect and they all were big kind dogs. Why? cause my family trained them and only showed loved and kindness. It really how you raise a dog. So dont blame the pet, but blame the owner0
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This is my family! Bane is our newest addition and our sweet baby boy. He is a boxer/pit mix and the sweetest boy. Our youngest hated dogs. We got him on October 15th, 2012 and she didn't want to have anything to do with him. On the ride home she asked if he was staying with us and we told her yes. He laid down in her lap and slept the whole way home. Our daughters fell in love with him quickly. He is loved by all of us, trained well and wouldn't hurt a fly. He is very protective of our girls though. He sleeps with them and stays with them all the time. Daddy plays a little too rough and Bane steps in quickly.
I have trained huskies and mutts and now a boxer/pit mix. Never had a problem with them at all. The only issue I have ever had was my mutt, Kiki, almost attacked my dad while we were wrestling in the yard. He calmed down on command. Bane is the same way. My girls' dad wrestles with them in our living room, when they start screaming and giggling, Bane has a tendency to work his way between my husband and the girls and growls at him. Does that make him a bad or mean dog? Not at all, he is protective of our kids. I seen someone post about leaving a stuffed animal on the floor, Bane won't bother anything unless it's on HIS bed. He barks when someone rings the doorbell or knocks on the door but all he does is kiss you to death. He has been around numerous kids and has never been anyone. I agree with the person that said it's not the breed its the person training them.0 -
I love when you hear about dogs killing children but you hear nothing more about the circumstances of the situation or the manner in which the animals/children were raised. It criminalizes the animal when in fact it may have been extenuating circumstances the general public knew nothing about.
But like others have said before, it comes down to training. There are some dogs that shouldn't be around kids. Not breeds-dogs. It comes down to evaluating a dog's tolerance on a dog by dog basis. That being said, knowing the physiology of some breeds is important.
For instance, Male pits brain chemistry changes as they age from a juvenile to an adult. This physiological change can cause behavior changes which, if not addressed, can lead to negative outcomes.
I have taken care of and helped to train almost every type of breed out there. There extremely few "bad" dogs. Those considered "bad" are usually a product of bad training, abuse, neglect, or reinforced negative behaviors. The conclusion, there are more bad owners than bad dogs.0 -
Yeah I wouldn't trust this dog (below) at all.. PSH! (joke). I want to go up to that dog and kiss it's face. How cute!!!
I understand if you have a bad experience with a certain breed, to maybe be shaky around a future dog of that breed. I was bitten by 1 dog, a shih tzu, and for a while I was not comfortable being around other ones. But then I realized, they aren't all jerks
Back to the original question, I would only trust my child around a dog that is properly trained, taken care of well, likes kids and with a good and consistent temperament. I don't care what breed it is. If the dog is trained well and comfortable around children, then that is good enough for me.0 -
I have a Mastiff named Hula. She protects my children.
I knew Hula had been trained well and that her protective instincts were strong when, after my son was born, I came home from work and walked to his room to take a look at him. Hula was lying at the foot of the bassinet and her head came up and she growled at me softly when I appeared in the doorway. I backed away and we later worked out that kink, but I became aware that she knew her role.
Another time, a couple years later, when my in-laws were baby/dog sitting for us at their house, a man who used to work for my brother-in-law (but who had been fired for coming to work on drugs) hopped the fence and grabbed a power tool from a shed on the property. Hula had been sunning herself and letting the kids crawl all over her. When she heard the racket from the shed, she jumped up to investigate...
...dude almost made it over the fence before Hula caught him....
...she made that dude feel...unwelcome...
...he finally made it over the fence...
...Hula barked and raged at the fence for a while until the retreating guy disappeared...
...Hula stopped barking and went back to her sunny spot in the yard and lied down with the kids again...
...neighbor across the street who'd seen everything walked over to tell my in-laws (who had just come out because of the racket) what had happened...
...brother-in-law had to wash blood off his fence...
Rules:
1. Don't come in my yard where my kids are playing.
2. Ring the doorbell I installed at the gate and wait for someone.
3. Prepare to be f**ked up by 140lbs of dog if you break either of the first two rules.
* If you somehow manage to make it past Hula, prepare to see how well you dodge bullets.
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No breed is a bad breed when trained correctly.
I agree with this 99.9%. However, there is that small percentage of good dogs gone bad (some with very valid reasons) so... I would not own a dog I couldn't kill with my bare hands if I had to. That may sound mean, but if it's between a small child and a dog... the kid wins every time. I have a small boston terrier (17lbs of pure energy) and have no worries with her. However, if she ever "snapped" for some unknown reason she isn't big enough to win in a fight with a person. She is also never left alone with small children... mostly because she'd knock them over and steal their treats. We love our girl very much but there is no comparison between her and a human. I was bitten as a child by a big loveable newfoundland dog. I'm sure I pissed him off in some way and by no means was it a mauling, just a quick snap that barely broke the skin. I'm sure that jaded my opinion and I grew up a little timid of bigger dogs. They don't bother me now, but I wouldn't own one myself because I don't want to be responsible for the sheer strength they have.0 -
Okay how about this: No breed is inherently dangerous. And no breed is inherently safe. But there are breeds that may require more and better training to be properly socialized than other breeds.
Not only that, but every dog has its own personality and there are individual dogs of every breed or mix of breeds that are inherently dangerous no matter how well they are socialized, possibly due to mental/physical defect. There are also individual dogs of breeds known for being either easy or difficult to socialize that are the opposite of what one would expect from that breed.
And there are breeds more likely to cause serious injury or death to a person solely due to the size of the breed and its bite power.
And finally, rounding up every member of a specific breed and slaughtering them is horrible and cruel and doesn't take into account individual dog personalities and training and it should never happen.
Okay, I'm going to stop posting in this thread now. I think I must be part bulldog. I just can't let go of this thread!0 -
OMG That sweet face!!!!!
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I have been bitten by 3 different dogs all cocker spaniels. Cockers spaniels hate me !!!! LOL don't know why.
That being said I believe breeds do what they have been bread to do. Beagles were bread to chase rabbits let a beagle go in the woods and it will chase some animal. Retrievers naturally want to fetch. Pitts and Rotties were trained to fight they are going to fight quicker than say a retriever.
They have a quicker temper and I don't trust them just like I don't trust a human with a short temper.
Except Rotties were originally herding dogs. That is something that I see it in mine quite often.0 -
I also have been bitten by children.
I also have been known to bite.
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I own "vicious" dogs too. They are incredibly well-trained but I always try to remain aware of who is around them and what they are up to. A dog is only as vicious as its environment. And to whomever said Rotties were bred to kill. You're wrong. They're herding and work dogs. Please educate yourself before you spread "vicious" rumors like that.
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No breed is a bad breed when trained correctly.
I agree with this 99.9%. However, there is that small percentage of good dogs gone bad (some with very valid reasons) so... I would not own a dog I couldn't kill with my bare hands if I had to.
I never thought of it this way but... this makes sense.0 -
ANY dog is unpredictable. The problem is that we humanize them, but they are still dogs. it's just in their nature. It is up to the owners to prevent any incidents.
There's a meme going around now that says
"In the 70's, it was the doberman pinscher
In the 80s' it was German Shepherds
In the 90s, it was Rottweilers
Now it is the Pit Bull
When are the OWNERS going to be held accountable"
And it's absolutely true. A few days ago a 2 year old girl was killed by the family's 7 pit bulls (they had 9 dogs total, but the other two were different breeds) when she wandered outside. There were FIVE adults in the house and not ONE of them were watching her. (I believe it was reported the 12 year old was supposed to be doing it.) At least in this case, they will be held responsible, but this was absolutely preventable. And 7 dogs and a little girl died due to lazy irresponsible a-holes.0 -
I own "vicious" dogs too. They are incredibly well-trained but I always try to remain aware of who is around them and what they are up to. A dog is only as vicious as its environment. And to whomever said Rotties were bred to kill. You're wrong. They're herding and work dogs. Please educate yourself before you spread "vicious" rumors like that.
They don't know that they aren't lap dogs either, huh?
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Sometimes even good, well trained dogs go bonkers. A family friend of ours had four dogs of varying breeds. One freaked one morning and killed one of the boston terriers and seriously hurt another. Our friend separated the aggressive dog. A little later when he went to the dog, after checking on the injured ones, the dog was sweet and happy as ever. Something just flipped. Thankfully they didn't have children.
We have a Great Pyrenees rescue and he is awesome. We chose the breed specifically because of their protective traits towards their "flocks". I do let my kids in the yard to play while our dog is back there. I continually check on them and usually our Pyr is just laying with his back to the gate watching over the kids. In the house, he always positions himself so he can keep an eye on everyone and knows where we all are. If one leaves, he'll get up and move so he can see everyone. Our kids have been taught to be sweet. Once or twice my kids have tried to pull his tail, while he didn't react, I've explained to my kids it's the equivalent of pulling someones hair. People can say "Ow! Stop that!" but all a dog can do is bite.
The worst thing my dog does to us or the kids is shake his slobbery head all over the place, shed a bunch of fur and whack us with his wagging tail.
That said, I do think there is something to be said about dogs in packs. As humans, we have enough issues being true to ourselves when we're around others. Sometimes we get "herd mentality" as well, so it's much more difficult for a dog with a much lower level of cognitive reasoning. For this reason, I probably wouldn't have more than one dog at a time, despite how gentle our favored breed is.0 -
No breed is a bad breed when trained correctly.
this. some are tempered differently but overall if you train them correctly you shouldnt have problems. I have a border collie and she is never around little kids. The odd time that she is she is very gentle and playful.
ETA: everything ive read about border collies says they are bad around little kids.
THAT"S BS. Border Collies had aggression literally bred out of them over time.
I've had three BC's. My first one had to put up with the two small children that were born after I adopted him and he was ALWAYS gentle and kind and more than tolerant.
My daughter has a deaf bully breed that wouldn't harm a child or an adult, but can't stand dogs that are bigger than she is. But she'll let the pet rats crawls all over her head.
My friends chihuahua was attacked by a Jack Russel Terrier.
Dogs are like people... they have their own unique personalities born of conditioning, fear, love, experience, etc...
I personally would never have a Husky, a Mastiff, a bully breed. But that's because I have a VERY strong preference for BC's and their general personality profile.0 -
I have been bitten by three different poodles, they can be nasty and tempermental so that's total bs. I keep Pitbulls and people always make faces, but I would have 10 well trained Pits around my kids before I would have one poodle.
Bahhahhahaha! As a standard poodle owner living in a neighborhood full of pits, this makes me :laugh:. I imagine this badass Chuck Norris poodle taking on the 10 gentle pitbulls! OMG! :laugh:
Don't laugh...
http://articles.courant.com/2012-05-29/news/hc-springfield-poodle-vs-pit-bull-0530-20120529_1_pit-bull-poodle-owner-knifeA local man was charged after his poodle attacked a pit bull and he allegedly threatened two boys with a knife, police said.0 -
I have several friends that have bred and raised full blood pits and some that own full blood or mixed pits. They all have said they would rather own those dogs opposed to a smaller breed with "little man syndrome". One of my friends' son was bitten and had to get stitches from her mother's chihuahua and his pit has never even snapped at him. Her son is 10 now and had him for several years.0
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Its all about love. Give the dog proper love and it gives it back. No offense to OP but I found the very concept of this thread kind of funny. If you don't "trust" your dog than why own one? The only way in which I don't trust my doggies is if there's something delicious on the counter within nose-reach
This story is sad, but look at the anomolies- FIVE big, documented to be aggressive (according to the article) dogs alone in ONE ROOM with a probably not-dominant small human eating food in front of them....that is a recipe for disaster.
Being a responsible pet owner is a must. I'm not going to lay strips of bacon on an infant's face and let me dog have at it, for example :P. But if you treat your pets well there is NO reason to mistrust them regardless of breed.
For me, the bigger the better!!
Stella at 10 weeks when we first met!
And a weeee bit bigger 1.5 years later (hanging with Max and me for a little nap)
Filling up an entire loveseat and hanging out with Cooper:
I have had dogs for literally my entire life and I've never once feared they would harm me or others.
ETA: I lowercased the IMG but despite this, much like my doggies, the photos are enormous. I recommend right clicking and viewing if you wanna see some mega cute doggies.0 -
Training is a must with any breed. There is no way of knowing the dynamics of the pack of dogs in question. However as a mom of three who has a Pitbull who is sweet and loving we have never had an issue or problem. My kids have been bitten and it was not from him but from Labs. I don't hate all labs for it though. In my opinion it is another case of the knee jerk reaction that people seem to have when things of this nature happen.
I believe that all dogs must be trained. I also believe that you need to take care to teach your dog tolerance to situations you may not be in control of. When things begin to get crazy and the kids are wrestling in the middln ine of the floor and our dog wants to lick and join in that is fine but I have seen that the training we have done with him works because if it gets to be to much he goes to his bed and lays down. He will not go further. He plays rough with my husband and oldest son, however if they say drop or sit or he does just that.
He goes to work with my husband and daughter everyday. Our customers love him and so many who previously were wary of him are no longer wary but actually come in to visit him even if they have no other reason to come in.
Love, and training inculding tolerence are key. But we have no idea what the pack dynamic was in this case. That cannot be under estimated.0 -
there is no dog I would not trust around my children, given it was my dog and I had raised it. I wouldn't trust a chihuahua around my baby if it was someone else's because most people coddle those damn things to pure meanness. Also, having 5 dogs is ridiculous and in most cities illegal. There is such thing as pack mentality and when it takes over it is instinct. Responsible owners will equal a loving trust worthy dog no matter the breed. I have a German Shepherd and a lab, one is seen as a sweet all American dog from Norman Rockwell paintings, one is seen as all teeth and at 120 pounds people are scared of him. The truth is BOTH dogs are trained to stand and show teeth on command. BOTH dogs sleep with my kids, BOTH dogs would not let you near me on the street.. You can't own a dog you don't trust, and to really trust a dog you have to have a hand in how it's raised, what it is exposed to. This is why people that get a pup then dump at the pound when it gets too big really piss me off.0
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I absolutely 100% agree with the first poster. No breed is bad, but there are multiple factors that can make a bad dog.
The breeding and genetics (mean parents can make mean pups)
Mean owners (you should never hit or kick a dog, they have the memory of an elephant and if they ever decide they want to be the alpha they could harm you in order to show that.)
We had one dog who was bred for size and she became mean. We later found out her mother was horrible.
My dog I have now hates anyone with a beard and cowboy hat. Our neighbors are Amish and every time she went on their property they kicked her til she went home. (I also think they shot at her since she hates gun shots)
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