random thought regarding obesity
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It is meaningful. It tells you how to determine how many calories are in whatever quantity you consume. That's the purpose of the information being on the label, and it fulfills that purpose perfectly. What word would be better? A "cup" or a "unit" or what? Regardless what you call it, it still does exactly the same thing so why does it matter whether it's called a serving or a unit or a quijybo or a purplemonkeydishwasher?
How could I possibly read too much into it when I just finished saying that the term is pointless and meaningless?I think you are reading too much into the meaning of the word "serving."
There is no reason to use a non-standardized measurement for presenting nutrition info on a label, and even less of a reason to term said non-standardized measurement as a "serving."
A "serving" is not equal in ANY way - weight, volume, calories, carbs, fat, etc. NOTHING is equal. All servings are different. Even the same food item from brand to brand has a different amount for a "serving." And there is no certain amount of "servings" we're supposed to eat in a day. So what is the point of calling it a "serving" when it means absolutely nothing? It's not even useful to measure a serving 99% of the time!0 -
How many obese people are reading labels or worrying about serving sizes? None that I know. You don't get to be obese by worrying about your calorie intake.
Obese people didn't start obese, and perhaps if serving sizes and calorie information was clearer, they'd have thought twice before eating too much...0 -
This serving this seems to be more of a problem in USA than here (UK). Most things that say they are two or more servings I am not surprised by. As well as that, everything must be also labelled with nutritional info per 100g, so the maths is pretty easy to do.0
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I kind of agree with this, I thought I ate normal portion sizes until I measured out a 30g serving of cereal. I was horrified when I realised how little of things I was supposed to eat, like a serving of pasta, I used to eat about 3 times as much in one serving and think it was ok!
Making out that things are single serving does my head in a little too, like tins of soup, who eats half a tin of soup!?0 -
How many obese people are reading labels or worrying about serving sizes? None that I know. You don't get to be obese by worrying about your calorie intake.
Obese people didn't start obese, and perhaps if serving sizes and calorie information was clearer, they'd have thought twice before eating too much...
Do you really think obese people sit around totally confused over serving sizes and calorie information? As a formerly obese person, I can tell you that I sure didn't. I don't have trouble with reading or math skills, and am quite handy with my digital kitchen scale. When I was obese, I wasn't counting calories....I wasn't even trying to.
Like another person commenting in this thread, I also ate a whole lot of foods that didn't come in packages bearing serving sizes/nutritional info. I loved to cook then just as I do now, so most of what I ate (same as now) comes from the green grocer, the butcher, etc. No nutritional info on those things, and as I said, I didn't bother to look it up because I wasn't counting calories.
I wasn't obese because of strange labelling--I was obese for several reasons--a couple of them totally my fault (lack of exercise, lack of concern with just how much food I was eating) and a couple that were beyond my knowledge/control (medical issues that were undiagnosed at the time).
Obesity doesn't make people retarded.
And yeah, this debate about whether the serving size info is useful or not because it's not some standardised unit? Silly. If you know that that a given amount of that food contains x calories, x carbs, x sugars, etc. you can easily work out what your intake is, either with a scale (when you're at home) or by a rough estimate if you're out and about.0 -
It is meaningful. It tells you how to determine how many calories are in whatever quantity you consume. That's the purpose of the information being on the label, and it fulfills that purpose perfectly. What word would be better? A "cup" or a "unit" or what? Regardless what you call it, it still does exactly the same thing so why does it matter whether it's called a serving or a unit or a quijybo or a purplemonkeydishwasher?
How could I possibly read too much into it when I just finished saying that the term is pointless and meaningless?I think you are reading too much into the meaning of the word "serving."
There is no reason to use a non-standardized measurement for presenting nutrition info on a label, and even less of a reason to term said non-standardized measurement as a "serving."
A "serving" is not equal in ANY way - weight, volume, calories, carbs, fat, etc. NOTHING is equal. All servings are different. Even the same food item from brand to brand has a different amount for a "serving." And there is no certain amount of "servings" we're supposed to eat in a day. So what is the point of calling it a "serving" when it means absolutely nothing? It's not even useful to measure a serving 99% of the time!
For example, I ate 2 purplemonkeydishwashers of Doritos with dinner. :laugh:0 -
Nobody ever texts me so maybe that helps, but I have a very mathmatically inclined hubby so he does my math for me ^^. When I decided to pay attention to what I eat I have started reading nutritional info on everything in great detail. I dont get to do the shopping (or have much say in what is brought unless we use extra of our own money which there isnt much of) so that doesnt always turn out so well. I try not to eat too many carbs like pasta and potato but I love rice so I eat a lot of that lol.
Its funny when you start to look at it you notice the amount of sugar in things you would never have thought had any.0 -
Well between serving sizes and people lack of understanding of food is one huge reason. Most people don't know what a serving size is and some people don't understand how to eat well. Sometimes when I'm work I'll see people grabbing a salad now they load it with cheese and croutons, plus they drown in dressing. In their minds they think they're eating healthy because they got a salad but in reality with all they put on there that salad is no healthier than a burger.0
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Why are they not healthy? Granted, the sugar may seem high however it is naturally occurring sugar. For example, one serving of grapes has 20 grams of sugar in it and more often than not people consume more than one serving of grapes in a sitting (at least I know I do). Ultimately, it's a healthier choice than potato chips, chocolate bars, or deep fried foods.0
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1) No one is arguing that obese people don't often disregard serving sizes. No one is arguing that obese people can't do math.
2) Even as contentious eaters, serving sizes still remains a frustration
3) Does anyone really break up their 20 ounce soda into 2.5 servings?
4) It's tricky and underhanded that companies do so.0 -
It amazes me how people who have never been obese view people who are. Astounding, really.
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Why are people obese? Because math is hard. Case in point: product labeling. Who the heck eats 3/4 cup of chocolate strawberry cereal (not me obviously). Let's have real people serving sizes and see what the result is. Most won't stand there and do the math (...well I want more than that and two servings fills my bowl with room for milk so one serving is 145 calories, plus 145 is..aww crap, let me get my phone, it has a calculator...ooh I got a text...3 servings later said person hates themself for eating too much...)
Obviously not the ONLY reason, but perhaps it is a contributing factor. Thoughts? Discuss.
:laugh: So much win! Yes, I agree, math is hard. For the longest time when I was younger, I thought the nutrition facts label was for the entire container of food. I'm a dumdum. Thanks for posting!0 -
Also if u eat out, portions are never measured. 3oz fries= kitchen guys hand full. Bigger hands, bigger portion. I started working in a kitchen again, eating at work... weight loss stalled and i put on 5 lbs. Still counting calories- just super inaccurate from eating out.0
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In one of our on-line newspapers in the UK today was this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2301135/15-WORST-health-drinks-Orange-juice-Innocent-smoothies-sugar-13-Hobnobs-3-half-doughnuts.html I think this is a major problem, we eat and drink what we believe are healthy choices, to find out later they are anything but. I make everything from scratch now, and all from fresh ingredients, personally I think it's the only way to know for sure what you are eating really is healthy.0
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no. i'm obese because i just don't care. i ate it anyway and didn't care if it was the wrong portion. and wasn't exercising.
now i'm dealing with the consequences.0 -
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I have been fooled by packaging quite a few times in the past. Here in the UK it's clear they deliberately make it confusing on lots of items. I now east mainly freshingredients so there isn't much confusion! I'm good at maths, that isn't the issue. It's the fact they deliberately make it misleading! Did packaging make me fat? No... Because I didn't look. Simple as that! The best advice I can give is to eat food in their natural state as much as possible. So much better for you on so many levels!
Zara :-)0 -
Not that my opinion matters or is factual, but I wouldn't say reading labels is a significant factor to obesity. Personally, I have been obese and I have been on the other side of being anorexic and bulimic. Currently, I am trying to get back to a healthy weight and lifestyle again.
I think a lot of things factor into obesity and some of it is knowledge, but a lot of it is emotional. If we neglect one part of who we are as a person, it impacts the other (emotionally, physically, and spiritually). Genetics, inner pain, boredom, fast pace society, friends, self-control, and knowledge has its place.
I wasn’t going to make this too lengthy.0 -
1) No one is arguing that obese people don't often disregard serving sizes. No one is arguing that obese people can't do math.
2) Even as contentious eaters, serving sizes still remains a frustration
3) Does anyone really break up their 20 ounce soda into 2.5 servings?
4) It's tricky and underhanded that companies do so.
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To me a serving is the size of the package =P A pint of ben & jerry's one serving. A bag of chips from subway, one serving. A family size bag of doritos, one serving.
I'm obese because I like food, not because of labeling issues.0 -
i always get filled up with the label serving portion sizes0
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1) No one is arguing that obese people don't often disregard serving sizes. No one is arguing that obese people can't do math.
2) Even as contentious eaters, serving sizes still remains a frustration
3) Does anyone really break up their 20 ounce soda into 2.5 servings?
4) It's tricky and underhanded that companies do so.
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thank you.
it's not ONE thing or ANOTHER thing that is solely responsible for obesity in this country. it's en environment and a culture that makes it EASY to be obese that's at fault, and allllll of these things (including labeling practices) are a part of the issue.
people in here be trippin'0 -
What your saying is the portion sizes are too small and child like really, i know ive measured cereal out and thought, omg doesnt even fill half the bowl, maybe a few mouth fulls and thats it. but its not about the company serving size, there just following guidlines and if your wanting to stay a healthy weight, you follow them.How many obese people are reading labels or worrying about serving sizes? None that I know. You don't get to be obese by worrying about your calorie intake.
Absolutely correct. However, let's hypothesize said obese person is trying to lose weight & eat better. Couldn't the ridiculous portion sizes be a factor in weight loss failure? I obviously don't think labels make people fat. Unless they are eating them too.0 -
Thanks for sharing. Very powerful. Best to you.0
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When I was overweight it was due to self control.
Not math.
^^^THIS!^^^ I was also lazy. People can blame who and whatever they want, it takes the accountability away from the individual and that is it. I was fully aware of how many calories were in a WHOLE bag of chips but it didn't stop me from eating the bag of chips. If people don't want to read the label and understand it then that is their fault but for the most part obese people might simple not give a crap. You can also figure your own serving sizes based on the info on the labels. I do this so that I can eat the right amount for me. You will need math to do this though. I am awful at math (it is pretty sad) but I figured it out.0 -
People (me as well) are overweight because we eat too much and exercise too little. The food industry and advertising does not help but its down to us ultimately.0
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When I was a kid, cereal bowls were more the size of today's typical vegetable serving bowl. As a result, we ate a lot more cereal. Today, when I measure out that 3/4 cup and put it in a present day cereal bowl, it looks like a lot more than 3/4 of a cup.
I do agree that serving sizes need to be more realistic. But people also need to be JUST as realistic.0 -
How many obese people are reading labels or worrying about serving sizes? None that I know. You don't get to be obese by worrying about your calorie intake.
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I know food labels. I look at food labels. I can usually guess serving sizes and calories in foods fairly accurate now that I have been paying attention to it for so long. However, that does not mean I actually stop eating at 1 serving because I know what 1 serving is <----That is the problem.0
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Some things should just say don't eat. Like if you eat a good hamburger and fries. Only half of it of course. It can be Close to 10000 Cal. Really I just try not to eat it. Like I told my husband what's the point. I don't think its healthy to consume that. So usually. About a quarter of it with a salad is more realistic. Crazy but that's what my nutritionist told me. I agree labels suck but its up to us to eat sensibly.0
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