Fat loss first or Muscle gain first?

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  • Ladycooper8
    Ladycooper8 Posts: 11
    So right now I weigh 260 and have about 60 pounds til I get to my goal weight. I wanted to try doing the 30 day shred, because I have seen amazing transformations, but should I wait to lose more weight first?

    There's no reason that you can't attempt to do this program while trying to lose weight.

    I know it builds loads of muscles, but I have heard that you are supposed to lose weight first!

    Actually the only thing that builds loads of muscle is a combination of the following.

    1) A calorie surplus
    2) Steroids
    3) Heavy weight training.


    30-day shred will help you burn calories and initially it may help you retain LBM but it will not build loads of muscle.

    thanks your reply helped alot, i was looking for the answer to this one too :)
  • phjorg
    phjorg Posts: 252 Member
    Okay one more question. Is strength training the same thing as weight lifting? I lift heavy 3-5 days a week.

    basically yes
    this is false.. I can do strength training without weight lifting for example. (pistol squats for 5 reps max) I can also weight lift and not do strength training. (15 rep squats)

    Strength training is clearly defined. atp-cp energy system powering type II muscle fibres in maximal load movements.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    Okay one more question. Is strength training the same thing as weight lifting? I lift heavy 3-5 days a week.

    basically yes
    this is false.. I can do strength training without weight lifting for example. (pistol squats for 5 reps max) I can also weight lift and not do strength training. (15 rep squats)

    Strength training is clearly defined. atp-cp energy system powering type II muscle fibres in maximal load movements.


    Clearly defined by whom?

    Did you note that the OP is lifting heavy, and my use of the word "basically" because I considered this context?
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    Okay one more question. Is strength training the same thing as weight lifting? I lift heavy 3-5 days a week.

    basically yes
    this is false.. I can do strength training without weight lifting for example. (pistol squats for 5 reps max) I can also weight lift and not do strength training. (15 rep squats)

    Strength training is clearly defined. atp-cp energy system powering type II muscle fibres in maximal load movements.

    No one said you can't do strength training without weight lifting.

    He said strength training is basically the same thing as weight lifting. It is.
  • hiyomi
    hiyomi Posts: 906 Member
    Well it looks like I will keep on with my cardio and lifting heavy. I think I will change my cardio session to the 30 day shred next month though and see how it works out for me ^^
  • DaniH826
    DaniH826 Posts: 1,335 Member
    Did you note that the OP is lifting heavy, and my use of the word "basically" because I considered this context?

    ^^

    He answered her question without confusing her by making things overly technical for no reason whatsoever.

    I quite like that approach, actually. :flowerforyou:
  • PetulantOne
    PetulantOne Posts: 2,131 Member
    Ah I see, I thought it made you build a good amount of muscle because when I saw before and after pictures of people, they looked really toned and muscular compared to their before pictures! I think I would like to start the 30 day shred soon, I hope I am able to lose a good amount of weight with it >.<

    That's because their bf% dropped. Most of what your probably seeing is the muscle they already had, it's just not covered by as much fat.
  • cmcm77
    cmcm77 Posts: 2
    Good way of explaining. You made it a little understandable. I do realize you're only giving 'estimated explanations' though
  • CoderGal
    CoderGal Posts: 6,800 Member
    You already have muscle, as long as you maintain it by lifting heavy and eating adequate protein on your way down you'll start to see definition and "tone" as the fat comes off. Definitely look into a lifting program and don't be afraid of heavy weights, they'll make you slimmer, not larger. Good luck!

    I wasn't really afraid of gaining too much muscle, what I was afraid of, so I have heard, if you gain too much muscle before you lose weight, you won't lose as much weight! So that's why I was asking if I should lose weight first and then go into heavy lifting. :D

    As thecakelocker said, you will see a FAR greater difference in your body by strength training and eating on a calorie deficit than by doing cardio and eating on a calorie deficit. Ignore the scale, it's only good for very loosely tracking trends.

    Believe me, find those groups I mentioned, ask your question in there. You will be flooded with women who did cardio for years to lose fat and became very, very discouraged with their results (one woman was told by her trainer, after years of paying him...that the spare tire around her midsection and thighs was simply her 'bodytype', and that no amount of work would help her lose it so she should just get used to it). Yet in two to three months of strength training, many of them not only surpassed their appearance goals that they'd had initially, but they're stronger than they'd ever imagined.

    This but I'd also say the post before makes no sense at all. Muscle does not keep you from losing weight. At all. I have no idea how you came up with that. The biggest complaint I hear about weight lifters who aren't losing weight are the ones that hardly exercise and aren't eating at much of a deficit, are eating to much, haven't exercised before so they don't know about weight fluctuations...and those complaints usually start off with "I've lost this many inches and not very much weight sad face", which I wouldn't consider a complaint.

    Also, I'm one of the did cardio forever girls. Lifting, I'm telling you as a cardio bunny, it works better if your goal is to look slimmer and feel firmer.
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    You already have muscle, as long as you maintain it by lifting heavy and eating adequate protein on your way down you'll start to see definition and "tone" as the fat comes off. Definitely look into a lifting program and don't be afraid of heavy weights, they'll make you slimmer, not larger. Good luck!

    I wasn't really afraid of gaining too much muscle, what I was afraid of, so I have heard, if you gain too much muscle before you lose weight, you won't lose as much weight! So that's why I was asking if I should lose weight first and then go into heavy lifting. :D


    As thecakelocker said, you will see a FAR greater difference in your body by strength training and eating on a calorie deficit than by doing cardio and eating on a calorie deficit. Ignore the scale, it's only good for very loosely tracking trends.

    Believe me, find those groups I mentioned, ask your question in there. You will be flooded with women who did cardio for years to lose fat and became very, very discouraged with their results (one woman was told by her trainer, after years of paying him...that the spare tire around her midsection and thighs was simply her 'bodytype', and that no amount of work would help her lose it so she should just get used to it). Yet in two to three months of strength training, many of them not only surpassed their appearance goals that they'd had initially, but they're stronger than they'd ever imagined.

    This but I'd also say the post before makes no sense at all. Muscle does not keep you from losing weight. At all. I have no idea how you came up with that. The biggest complaint I hear about weight lifters who aren't losing weight are the ones that hardly exercise and aren't eating at much of a deficit, are eating to much, haven't exercised before so they don't know about weight fluctuations...and those complaints usually start off with "I've lost this many inches and not very much weight sad face", which I wouldn't consider a complaint.

    Also, I'm one of the did cardio forever girls. Lifting, I'm telling you as a cardio bunny, it works better if your goal is to look slimmer and feel firmer.


    I think some people misunderstand when other people say you don't lose weight when you build muscle. First...almost none of them are building muscle anyhow. Second...when you're strength training the weight you're losing is primarily fat, which is lighter than muscle (the first person who tries to correct me with that 1lb is 1lb bull**** will be reported)...so the rate at which you lose weight often slows. However, since that the fat you ARE losing is less dense than that muscle...the inch losses usually accelerate. The misunderstanding is pretty much a case of the blind leading the blind.

    Again, very simply...scale losses often slow (you're no longer losing that dense, heavy muscle you were before), however inch losses almost always accelerate (what you ARE losing takes up more space, and so the visual losses are greater).

    I know you know this miss CoderGal...but hopefully my explanation will help someone else lol.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    You already have muscle, as long as you maintain it by lifting heavy and eating adequate protein on your way down you'll start to see definition and "tone" as the fat comes off. Definitely look into a lifting program and don't be afraid of heavy weights, they'll make you slimmer, not larger. Good luck!

    I wasn't really afraid of gaining too much muscle, what I was afraid of, so I have heard, if you gain too much muscle before you lose weight, you won't lose as much weight! So that's why I was asking if I should lose weight first and then go into heavy lifting. :D


    As thecakelocker said, you will see a FAR greater difference in your body by strength training and eating on a calorie deficit than by doing cardio and eating on a calorie deficit. Ignore the scale, it's only good for very loosely tracking trends.

    Believe me, find those groups I mentioned, ask your question in there. You will be flooded with women who did cardio for years to lose fat and became very, very discouraged with their results (one woman was told by her trainer, after years of paying him...that the spare tire around her midsection and thighs was simply her 'bodytype', and that no amount of work would help her lose it so she should just get used to it). Yet in two to three months of strength training, many of them not only surpassed their appearance goals that they'd had initially, but they're stronger than they'd ever imagined.

    This but I'd also say the post before makes no sense at all. Muscle does not keep you from losing weight. At all. I have no idea how you came up with that. The biggest complaint I hear about weight lifters who aren't losing weight are the ones that hardly exercise and aren't eating at much of a deficit, are eating to much, haven't exercised before so they don't know about weight fluctuations...and those complaints usually start off with "I've lost this many inches and not very much weight sad face", which I wouldn't consider a complaint.

    Also, I'm one of the did cardio forever girls. Lifting, I'm telling you as a cardio bunny, it works better if your goal is to look slimmer and feel firmer.


    I think some people misunderstand when other people say you don't lose weight when you build muscle. First...almost none of them are building muscle anyhow. Second...when you're strength training the weight you're losing is primarily fat, which is lighter than muscle (the first person who tries to correct me with that 1lb is 1lb bull**** will be reported)...so the rate at which you lose weight often slows. However, since that the fat you ARE losing is less dense than that muscle...the inch losses usually accelerate. The misunderstanding is pretty much a case of the blind leading the blind.

    Again, very simply...scale losses often slow (you're no longer losing that dense, heavy muscle you were before), however inch losses almost always accelerate (what you ARE losing takes up more space, and so the visual losses are greater).

    I know you know this miss CoderGal...but hopefully my explanation will help someone else lol.

    A pound of muscle wei.....

    Never mind.

    :)
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    A pound of muscle wei.....

    Never mind.

    :)

    Lol
  • CoderGal
    CoderGal Posts: 6,800 Member
    You already have muscle, as long as you maintain it by lifting heavy and eating adequate protein on your way down you'll start to see definition and "tone" as the fat comes off. Definitely look into a lifting program and don't be afraid of heavy weights, they'll make you slimmer, not larger. Good luck!

    I wasn't really afraid of gaining too much muscle, what I was afraid of, so I have heard, if you gain too much muscle before you lose weight, you won't lose as much weight! So that's why I was asking if I should lose weight first and then go into heavy lifting. :D


    As thecakelocker said, you will see a FAR greater difference in your body by strength training and eating on a calorie deficit than by doing cardio and eating on a calorie deficit. Ignore the scale, it's only good for very loosely tracking trends.

    Believe me, find those groups I mentioned, ask your question in there. You will be flooded with women who did cardio for years to lose fat and became very, very discouraged with their results (one woman was told by her trainer, after years of paying him...that the spare tire around her midsection and thighs was simply her 'bodytype', and that no amount of work would help her lose it so she should just get used to it). Yet in two to three months of strength training, many of them not only surpassed their appearance goals that they'd had initially, but they're stronger than they'd ever imagined.

    This but I'd also say the post before makes no sense at all. Muscle does not keep you from losing weight. At all. I have no idea how you came up with that. The biggest complaint I hear about weight lifters who aren't losing weight are the ones that hardly exercise and aren't eating at much of a deficit, are eating to much, haven't exercised before so they don't know about weight fluctuations...and those complaints usually start off with "I've lost this many inches and not very much weight sad face", which I wouldn't consider a complaint.

    Also, I'm one of the did cardio forever girls. Lifting, I'm telling you as a cardio bunny, it works better if your goal is to look slimmer and feel firmer.


    I think some people misunderstand when other people say you don't lose weight when you build muscle. First...almost none of them are building muscle anyhow. Second...when you're strength training the weight you're losing is primarily fat, which is lighter than muscle (the first person who tries to correct me with that 1lb is 1lb bull**** will be reported)...so the rate at which you lose weight often slows. However, since that the fat you ARE losing is less dense than that muscle...the inch losses usually accelerate. The misunderstanding is pretty much a case of the blind leading the blind.

    Again, very simply...scale losses often slow (you're no longer losing that dense, heavy muscle you were before), however inch losses almost always accelerate (what you ARE losing takes up more space, and so the visual losses are greater).

    I know you know this miss CoderGal...but hopefully my explanation will help someone else lol.

    A pound of muscle wei.....

    Never mind.

    :)
    Exactly cris

    jonny I don't know how many times I've stated that sentence lol....I wait till someone gets angry at me and append "by volume" lol. If they get really mad I start throwing the word toned around.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    jonny I don't know how many times I've stated that sentence lol....I wait till someone gets angry at me and append "by volume" lol. If they get really mad I start throwing the word toned around.

    See, this is why you're one of my favorite posters :laugh:

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