What is bad with too much protein?

lvfunandfit

35% of my calories come from protein. 30% from fat and 35% from carbs. I believe in a healthy balanced diet that incorporates LEAN protein, healthy carbs and healthy fats. Do the research, talk to fitness and nutrition specialists and figure out what works best for you. I do not believe in Atkins, South Beach, etc because you can't and won't eat like that forever! Life, which includes food, has to be balanced. It's difficult to maintain a diet that isn't one that fits your lifestyle. That's why you have to make a life style change. Choose healthy calories, burn more than you consume by exercising and you'll feel healthy and reach your goals.

I'd say look at my diary but I've been bad about logging lately since I've gotten used to what I can eat to stay within my calorie range. You can look back previous to this last week... I've been more on top of logging. I have 3 more lbs I want to lose and then I'll be at my goal all by eating a balance diet high in protein. I believe a person who exercises, weight trains, runs, etc on a regular basis needs more protein but you can't forget to include the healthy carbs and fats too.

sjcply

I believe a person who exercises, weight trains, runs, etc on a regular basis needs more protein but you can't forget to include the healthy carbs and fats too.

Very much true! Extra protein is good, but you cant leave out the other good things, like good carbs and good fat!

It is a good thing this forum is a matter of everyones opinion...you know the saying about that! :laugh:

ricklundgren83

Recommended value is .8 g to every kg of body weight.

Some high-protein diets de-emphasize high-carbohydrate, high-fiber plant foods. These foods help lower cholesterol when eaten as part of a nutritionally balanced diet. Reducing consumption of these foods usually means other, higher-fat foods are eaten instead. This raises cholesterol levels even more and increases cardiovascular risk.High-protein diets don't provide some essential vitamins, minerals, fiber and other nutritional elements. The liver and kidneys can also be severely affected.

LittleSpy

Recommended value is .8 g to every kg of body weight.

Some high-protein diets de-emphasize high-carbohydrate, high-fiber plant foods. These foods help lower cholesterol when eaten as part of a nutritionally balanced diet. Reducing consumption of these foods usually means other, higher-fat foods are eaten instead. This raises cholesterol levels even more and increases cardiovascular risk.High-protein diets don't provide some essential vitamins, minerals, fiber and other nutritional elements. The liver and kidneys can also be severely affected.

To clarify, it's TRANS fats that raise bad cholesterol levels and lower good cholesterol levels. Saturated & unsaturated fats are both very very very essential to a proper diet.

lilmissy2

Both saturated fats and trans fats have been shown to increase cholesterol.

LittleSpy

Both saturated fats and trans fats have been shown to increase cholesterol.

But saturated fats have also been shown to INCREASE HDL (good cholesterol) which is a *good* thing (but as a dietician you'd know that). I said it's trans fat that BOTH increases LDL (bad cholesterol) AND decreases HDL (good cholesterol).

Edit: Now I don't think I could advocate eating a very large percentage of saturated fat without reading a *lot* more research and articles from both ends of the spectrum. I was merely pointing out saturated fat doesn't appear to be the villian it has previously been made out to be (thanks to that widely disputed and discredited reserach in the 1950s) and that it can do good things for our body. Kind of how dietary cholesterol was made out to be a huge stink-monster & then we were told (much more quietly) that it's not nearly as big a deal as it was made out to be for a while.

lvfunandfit

I believe a person who exercises, weight trains, runs, etc on a regular basis needs more protein but you can't forget to include the healthy carbs and fats too.

Very much true! Extra protein is good, but you cant leave out the other good things, like good carbs and good fat!

It is a good thing this forum is a matter of everyones opinion...you know the saying about that! :laugh:

LOL

We said the same thing

angela8

I am not allowed to eat much fiber so I am eating and drinking lots of protein. It is great for the muscle's especially after a workout. I too play softball so my dinner usually consists of a protein shake afterwards. I am seeing my muscle increasing so I am hitting harder and running faster. I say drink up!!!!

July24Lioness

Both saturated fats and trans fats have been shown to increase cholesterol.

Well I can tell you from my experience and my husband's and the 1000's of others that belong to a low carb website that is a fallacy as far as the saturated fats go.

Get rid of the sugary, grainy carbs and up the fats (but NO transfats) and eat plenty of fat, protein and green leafy veggies and you will see your total cholesterol go DOWN, HDL go UP and LDL go DOWN as well as the triglycerides going down also.

I have my blood work as proof, along with everything I have been reading is proof enough for me.


P. S. - My husband has gotten off his high blood pressure medication too.

July24Lioness

Here are some articles to read if any one has an open mind about saturated fats..............

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22116724/

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2009/06/06/saturated-fat/

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2002/08/17/saturated-fat1.aspx

Serenifly

Wow my head is spinning ... I've been trying to eat right for 5 months now (after sucsessfully losing 50 lbs by exersise alone) took me 4 years but whatevs

I have NO idea what a transfat, saturated fat, natrual fat or flesh free fat it ... I do know I consumed over 1500mg's of sodium the other day, and I have no idea how or how that is bad for me ...

Wow you guys all know sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much! lol

July24Lioness

You are very incorrect, saturated animal fats are NATURAL fats, and they are not bad for you. I will debate and argue this point with anyone until the end.

I just don't get the whole natural debate. You know sugar is natural, right? I mean sure, we pull it out of the cane but dont we cut our meat up? Now I'm not saying sugar is good for you, actually that's exactly my point because I don't think saturated fats are good for you either.

Actually to be honest, I don't really understand the statement 'saturated animal fats are natural fats' unless of course you have your own animals that run about and live in the wild as they please and you just hunt them and eat them... most of our meat is from animals that are caged (to varying extents) and fed to ensure fast development and they have much more fat than the same type of animal in the wild should ever have... not really what I call natural.

Its really not up for debate. I think Lion has a a diet seen under the supervision of a doctor.
I know it sounds wierd, but when some people are obese, they NEED to lose weight ASAP to get healthy, like their hearts are working soo hard that an immediate change is needed to lower blood pressure, pressure on joints, help organs...etc. So doctoris tell them to do the Atkins way, in order to jumpstart the weight loss quickly and also to tend to the emotional side of the obiesety (from food they enjoy, they will maintain a positive outlook on weight loss and the dreaded word DIET), as it is clearly an emotional addiciton. This way the meat and potato eaters still get their meat, and extra serving of it. Its kind of a manipulation of the mind. It absolutely works- per my brother in law the doctor, my 2 nutritionist friends (and 2 of my old nutritionists) and my 3 personal trainer friends.

Once these obese people lose the weight, obviously, doctors tell them to eat a balanced diet. :bigsmile:

This has nothing to do with "emotional" eating and such and this is not a diet for me. This will be the way I eat for LIFE!! This is not being done to spark quick weight loss. I am a slow loser even on a very low carb eating plan because of multiple endocrine issues, but I am ok with that.

I was one of the naysayers when I found out I was diabetic and was told that I had to adhere to the Atkins plan or a similar plan for life to reverse and cure myself of diabetes. I started researching and then tried it and I am now a converted believer in the low carb and all natural lifestyle.

July24Lioness

I think your health improved because you lost weight, plain and simple.
As far as everything else goes....Oh dear.
Well I think you are wrong and you think I am wrong. :mad:
We will just have to agree to disagree then. Unfortuneatly, I am just as stubborn as you are, it seems. :blushing:

Wrong again. I haven't lost that much weight as I am a slow loser, but the benefits of feeling good, sleeping good, having more energy, etc are coming from the way I eat. Plain and simple.

July24Lioness

35% of my calories come from protein. 30% from fat and 35% from carbs. I believe in a healthy balanced diet that incorporates LEAN protein, healthy carbs and healthy fats. Do the research, talk to fitness and nutrition specialists and figure out what works best for you. I do not believe in Atkins, South Beach, etc because you can't and won't eat like that forever! Life, which includes food, has to be balanced. It's difficult to maintain a diet that isn't one that fits your lifestyle. That's why you have to make a life style change. Choose healthy calories, burn more than you consume by exercising and you'll feel healthy and reach your goals.

I'd say look at my diary but I've been bad about logging lately since I've gotten used to what I can eat to stay within my calorie range. You can look back previous to this last week... I've been more on top of logging. I have 3 more lbs I want to lose and then I'll be at my goal all by eating a balance diet high in protein. I believe a person who exercises, weight trains, runs, etc on a regular basis needs more protein but you can't forget to include the healthy carbs and fats too.

I don't even do a plan like Atkins any longer, I do a plan that is stricter than Atkins.

I do know for a fact that Atkins, South Beach and other low carb plan are doable for life. I stopped Atkins because when you get to the point in Phase 2 of adding back in grains, beans, legumes and higher carb veggies and fruits I start gaining weight again.

So I have switched over to a Paleo plan that doesn't allow grains, beans, legumes, dairy and I am ok with that.

I get my satiety from eating protein and fats along with plenty of veggies. Fruit and greek yogurt for me are indulgences like a dessert.

hiddensecant

Wow my head is spinning ... I've been trying to eat right for 5 months now (after sucsessfully losing 50 lbs by exersise alone) took me 4 years but whatevs

I have NO idea what a transfat, saturated fat, natrual fat or flesh free fat it ... I do know I consumed over 1500mg's of sodium the other day, and I have no idea how or how that is bad for me ...

Wow you guys all know sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much! lol

Back to you ... I think you're doing just fine :laugh:.

sjcply

Wow my head is spinning ... I've been trying to eat right for 5 months now (after sucsessfully losing 50 lbs by exersise alone) took me 4 years but whatevs

I have NO idea what a transfat, saturated fat, natrual fat or flesh free fat it ... I do know I consumed over 1500mg's of sodium the other day, and I have no idea how or how that is bad for me ...

Wow you guys all know sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much! lol

LOL....aren't you glad you started such a controversial subject! :ohwell:

lilmissy2

Both saturated fats and trans fats have been shown to increase cholesterol.

But saturated fats have also been shown to INCREASE HDL (good cholesterol) which is a *good* thing (but as a dietician you'd know that). I said it's trans fat that BOTH increases LDL (bad cholesterol) AND decreases HDL (good cholesterol).

Edit: Now I don't think I could advocate eating a very large percentage of saturated fat without reading a *lot* more research and articles from both ends of the spectrum. I was merely pointing out saturated fat doesn't appear to be the villian it has previously been made out to be (thanks to that widely disputed and discredited reserach in the 1950s) and that it can do good things for our body. Kind of how dietary cholesterol was made out to be a huge stink-monster & then we were told (much more quietly) that it's not nearly as big a deal as it was made out to be for a while.

Actually as a dietitian I've never heard of saturated fats increasing HDL cholesterol which makes me think it is rubbish since that would be a pretty huge scientific breakthrough, not likely something I wouldn't hear about. It is actually true that you do require some saturated fats, the danger is in having too much. What you are failing to understand is that even what we refer to as 'unsaturated fats' contain some saturated fat. All fats are made up of a mixture of fatty acids - so for example - almonds might contain 15% saturated fats, 60% monounsaturated and 25% poly-unsaturated so we classify them as 'monounsaturated' because that is the greatest percentage in the food. This is why we don't recommend fats where the highest percentage is of saturated (ie those known as 'saturated fats') because they definitely put people at risk of eating too much of it.

I do hope that hasn't been too clinical and confused people more!