I tell people I don't work out, to embarrassed on progress

JMarigold

I don't think anyone assumes you are taking the easy road, but what you are doing may be TOO hard on your body. If you want to bulk up the way to go is heavy lifting, more rest, less cardio, and more food (the right food).

You seem to be killing yourself for no reason.

You said that as far as rest days go you, "look at yourself and ask do you deserve a rest day? And you figure not." Well, sounds to me like the exercise portion of your anorexia is rearing its ugly head. Working out without rest days is destroying your body, but you seem to feel the need to talk down to yourself and you feel like you are total crap/a loser/lazy if you do NOT workout. Well that';s a mental disease talking. You need to recognize it.

You NEED rest days. You will NEVER get your body where you want it if you refuse to take rest days, and all the rest of this advice will go down the drain.

neandermagnon

My diet is an issue, I know, but I am worried about eating more, if you look at my picture which I really really really did not want to post, you can see that I have a gut there and no formation, arms are flabby to besides all the other things you can point out.

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Offdays, they scare me. I look at myself and figure " do you deserve an off day?" probably not, so I go ahead and do a workout.

these quotes are worrying to be honest.... "do you deserve an off day"... do you exercise to punish yourself, or to be healthy? If you exercise to be healthy, then having an off day is essential to good health, as is eating the right amount of calories. You don't earn off days, you need them because you are human.

Men can get eating disorders too... now I'm not saying you have that, but the above statements I would class as the kind of thinking that can lead to eating disorders, and the kinds of things people with eating disorders say. So if you believe those things strongly enough that you're going to carry on undereating and never taking rest days, then counselling/therapy should be the next step.

Seriously, if *health* is your number 1 priority, you will eat enough to fuel your body and your workouts, and take rest days so your body can recover properly.

If you want abs more than you want health, then understand that you need to have strong, healthy muscles in order to get abs in the first place. If you're undereating, constantly punishing your body with the most difficult workouts you can find and not taking rest days, then how are you going to be developing your abs muscles? Or any muscles? How are your bones going to remain strong? What did your body do to deserve such treatment?

To get visible abs, 1. train strategically. Not necessarily harder, in your case you need to take rest days. You can get visible abs working out with weights just 3x a week, less is more, sometimes. 2. eat right. That means enough to fuel your body, but with a small calorie deficit, so your body burns up the fat.

see all the "in place of a road map" threads for more information. If you only take one thing from this website, then that thread is it. This method works, there are many, many people on this forum who have visible abs and fit strong healthy bodies who followed the plan on that thread, or other plans that are basically the same method, but not from that thread. You calculate how much energy your body needs, eat slightly less than that, and lift heavy weights, and give your body adequate time to recover between workouts.

heathermnrd

There is some weird information on this thread

It sounds like a combo of over training/under eating. You don't need crossfit or some crazy non-soy non-gmo diet. Up your calories, get more protein, and look into some heavy lifting programs (I think someone mentioned Stronglifts).

yep!! more calories, im a girl who is smaller than you and only doing turbofire and ive eaten more calories than you today...

songbyrdsweet

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Okay, so why can't diabetics take their insulin orally?
What level of antibiotics are traceable in consumable meat, how much of it enters the consumer, and how much is required to knock out the gut microbiome? What strains are reduced by what antibiotics fed to consumable livestock?
Yes the adrenal glands affect metabolism, but they do not regulate it.
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*edit to add, silly quote isn't posting for me! : )

Insulin is a protein, rbst is a peptide hormone--proteins are digested, peptide hormones are absorbed. Assuming that you are referring to rbst? I am sure you have read about the clinical trials for oral insulin?

As for your other questions, you can research the answers for yourself. It seems that after reading your profile that you might be aware of the answers. Since antibiotic use in livestock was completely unregulated for over 30 years--and over 30 million pounds of these drugs are used in livestock in just one year, it isn't hard to believe that it is absolutely traceable.

Pituitary regulates metabolism.....adrenal assists directly....which is also a regulatory response.

Actually it is highly regulated. 5 livestock : 1 human = more antibiotic use in humans than consumable animals.

Without modification proteins don't pass the pH of the stomach with any functionality left.

I would type more if my hand wasn't in a full cast.

Dinerarose

If you are doing insanity then you need to follow the food guide that comes with the program, I have insanity program and from your list of foods you eat, you are definitely eating too few calories, so no doubt your poor body has gone into starvation mode from you over working it and underfeeding it. The insanity program comes with a schedule that gives you days off, it's an intense workout so you need rest!!!! follow the program, it was created by experts, you say you have no guide to tell you what to do, the guidelines are in the book that tells you what to do!!! but you are not following it!!! Don't listen to people telling you stop doing workout videos, workout videos are exercise programs, when is exercising ever bad for you? granted in your case insanity may not be right for you as insanity is a cardio based program for people looking to lose fat, if you are looking to build muscle then, you need to do strength training, you won't get muscle definition from doing just insanity, if you can't afford to go to the gym, then there are also workout videos that have strength training some comes with weights included or some you have to buy your own. Workout videos are the best way for people who can't afford a gym membership or are not comfortable in a gym setting and many people have lost lots of weight and toned up from workout videos, so don't listen to people telling you not to do workout videos, who probably have never tried one and so have no idea of their effectiveness.

Lalouse

You probably need to eat MORE (since you are a guy and since it seems like you are trying to bulk up), but continue to eat healthy...

and lift weights.

nznatural

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Okay, so why can't diabetics take their insulin orally?
What level of antibiotics are traceable in consumable meat, how much of it enters the consumer, and how much is required to knock out the gut microbiome? What strains are reduced by what antibiotics fed to consumable livestock?
Yes the adrenal glands affect metabolism, but they do not regulate it.
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*edit to add, silly quote isn't posting for me! : )

Insulin is a protein, rbst is a peptide hormone--proteins are digested, peptide hormones are absorbed. Assuming that you are referring to rbst? I am sure you have read about the clinical trials for oral insulin?

As for your other questions, you can research the answers for yourself. It seems that after reading your profile that you might be aware of the answers. Since antibiotic use in livestock was completely unregulated for over 30 years--and over 30 million pounds of these drugs are used in livestock in just one year, it isn't hard to believe that it is absolutely traceable.

Pituitary regulates metabolism.....adrenal assists directly....which is also a regulatory response.

Sorry, I know its off topic a bit, but insulin is a peptide hormone made up of amino acids. So you've just said that one peptide hormone (insulin), is not absorbed in the GI tract, but that another peptide hormone (RBST), can be?

Did I miss something?

BarackMeLikeAHurricane

Insanity is cardio. DYEL?

JacksMom12

You are severely overtraining/undereating. You could be getting results by doing a lot less work and eating a lot more food.

smokescr33n

Ok, is my hunger near the end of the night from my lack of eating during the day?

I am worried about the place I am at mentally, the frustration of not knowing the right path, has caused me to try and create one and at the same time try to justify it to myself that it is correct when as everyone here has described it is not. I really just thought that the workout that Insanity / Asylum would provide would be good for me, but I am assuming now that I need to take the rest day like they mention I should be, and really try to get a hold of my diet.

I do not want to bulk up, if you look at the picture I posted, I have a gut which I want to go away, so I guess I am looking to cut down. If lifting weights is my option, whom to believe is my best plan? Like I had mentioned, the Mens Health guides change every magazine so I could literally cover my wall with all of them and would not know which one to stick with. Problem is now that I have caused tendanitis in my shoulder (thats what my doc said it is) I have to try and go light with that arm and work slowly with it.

I apologize for my ignorance, but really am grateful for everyone's information

DavPul

There is some weird information on this thread

It sounds like a combo of over training/under eating. You don't need crossfit or some crazy non-soy non-gmo diet. Up your calories, get more protein, and look into some heavy lifting programs (I think someone mentioned Stronglifts).

I'm cosigning this. Lift more. Eat more. Leave all these Beachbody programs behind and get a solid lifting program with the proper volume of lifting for your current fitness level AND STICK TO IT. Of course the fitness magazines have a new workout every month. That's because they have to sell you a new magazine every month chock full of ads for supplements that you don't need. Use the mags for motivation but not for information.

I repeat, get a solid lifting program and stick with it.

PikaKnight

There is some weird information on this thread

It sounds like a combo of over training/under eating. You don't need crossfit or some crazy non-soy non-gmo diet. Up your calories, get more protein, and look into some heavy lifting programs (I think someone mentioned Stronglifts).

I'm cosigning this. Lift more. Eat more. Leave all these Beachbody programs behind and get a solid lifting program with the proper volume of lifting for your current fitness level AND STICK TO IT. Of course the fitness magazines have a new workout every month. That's because they have to sell you a new magazine every month chock full of ads for supplements that you don't need. Use the mags for motivation but not for information.

I repeat, get a solid lifting program and stick with it.

^This. All of this

Will_Thrust_For_Candy

So here's the thing......don't complicate things. There is a lot of information out there, for sure, but you need to take some control and do some of the work to finding out what will work best for you.

There are many sites where you can find out your BMR and TDEE but here is a link to one of them....at least this will get you started:

http://scoobysworkshop.com/

You are really not a big guy and my guess is that if you started a solid lifting program you would notice a big difference. Do cardio on a couple of non-lifting days if you really like, but not balls to the wall 2-3 hours of cardio.....like 30-40 minutes. Give yourself 2 rest days. I also think that you could stand to eat at TDEE for awhile....I really don't think you need a deficit but if you feel inclined, then maybe 10%

www.stronglifts.com is one of the greatest beginner lifting programs. It's very straight forward and it does get results. Starting Strength is also fantastic. Although I didn't see you mention if you have access to a gym??

Also, I think that it would be a good idea to seek some counseling about your relationship with exercise and food as it really doesn't seem to be all that healthy.

Yes, your hunger at night is quite possibly caused because you aren't eating enough.

Another great resource here is the thread for In Place of a Road Map. Unfortunately I don't have the link for it, but I'm sure someone does or you can search for it as well.

Eat well, sleep well, rest well, and train hard and your results will come. There are also lots of people here to support you!

BondBomb

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Okay, so why can't diabetics take their insulin orally?
What level of antibiotics are traceable in consumable meat, how much of it enters the consumer, and how much is required to knock out the gut microbiome? What strains are reduced by what antibiotics fed to consumable livestock?
Yes the adrenal glands affect metabolism, but they do not regulate it.
************************************

*edit to add, silly quote isn't posting for me! : )

Insulin is a protein, rbst is a peptide hormone--proteins are digested, peptide hormones are absorbed. Assuming that you are referring to rbst? I am sure you have read about the clinical trials for oral insulin?

As for your other questions, you can research the answers for yourself. It seems that after reading your profile that you might be aware of the answers. Since antibiotic use in livestock was completely unregulated for over 30 years--and over 30 million pounds of these drugs are used in livestock in just one year, it isn't hard to believe that it is absolutely traceable.

Pituitary regulates metabolism.....adrenal assists directly....which is also a regulatory response.

Sorry, I know its off topic a bit, but insulin is a peptide hormone made up of amino acids. So you've just said that one peptide hormone (insulin), is not absorbed in the GI tract, but that another peptide hormone (RBST), can be?

Did I miss something?

Dammit you beat me to it! Agreed.

Warchortle

One soy protein shake isn't going to eff up his hormones especially since exercising big muscle groups spike testosterone. Meal timings don't matter. There is no such thing as anabolic windows. You don't need to drink a shake 30 minutes after you lift... you don't need to only eat oatmeal and chicken breasts... Hit your carbs, protein, and fats in correct proportion that's all that matters. Programs like Insanity even suggest it's not for building muscle and it's more of a cardio routine.
People often make the mistake think losing weight will get them the body they want. They really need to look into body re-composition requires more than just a caloric deficit in most cases.

neandermagnon

There is some weird information on this thread

It sounds like a combo of over training/under eating. You don't need crossfit or some crazy non-soy non-gmo diet. Up your calories, get more protein, and look into some heavy lifting programs (I think someone mentioned Stronglifts).

I'm cosigning this. Lift more. Eat more. Leave all these Beachbody programs behind and get a solid lifting program with the proper volume of lifting for your current fitness level AND STICK TO IT. Of course the fitness magazines have a new workout every month. That's because they have to sell you a new magazine every month chock full of ads for supplements that you don't need. Use the mags for motivation but not for information.

I repeat, get a solid lifting program and stick with it.

^^^ this

and regarding the gut, to get rid of it you need to lower your body fat percentage. The way to do that is to do the above, i.e. a proper lifting programme, and eat at a very slight deficit, e.g. TDEE - 10%... this means calculating how many calories your body burns each day, and eating 10% less than that. The threads "in place of a road map" explains how to calculate how much you're burning each day (i.e. your TDEE)

If you're not doing the lifting, then when you try to cut (i.e. eat less than you burn) you'll lose lean body mass along with the fat, you'll get lighter, but the gut won't go away. There are lots of people with 6 pack abs on this site and they all do heavy lifting. Also, even if you're lifting, if you're eating too little, you will lose lean body mass along with the fat. To lower your body fat percentage, you need to do everything you can to protect your lean body mass, while burning only fat. Hence, very small deficit (only 10% less than you burn off each day) and doing heavy lifting so your body knows you need those muscles. And you need the prescribed amount of rest. If for psychological reasons you feel unable to take rest days, then please seek counselling/therapy for that before you run your body entirely into the ground. Try to focus on health, first and foremost. Exercise is extremely healthy provided you give your body a chance to rest and recover and also feed your body properly.

If you're eating less than you burn off, you won't bulk up. Bulking up doesn't happen by accident, you need to eat more than you burn off for that to happen.

smokescr33n

I can see many people agreeing with you, I will do this.

Another member mentioned Stronglifts.com as a site to get a beginner lifting program, would you happen to know a place where I can get a good lifting program to follow and stick to.

I shall calculate everything, I had no idea it was a math game as well. I also did not realize that the extra veggies I am eating are not helping me which is all great information you all have provided to me.

I have to go to work now but when I get home I will do all of this, I am embarrassed to admit I don't even know what TDEE stand's for so I am looking forward to this knowledge.

I do not have access to a gym but I do have a bunch of dumbbells, kettle bells, and I do have a home gym system that my girlfriend bought for our house but is in the box but I now have started to put it together after starting this thread and reading the comments.