Doc wants me to do 1100 cals a day-I think she's cray cray
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I'm also 5"7 and when I started I needed to lose 40-50lbs also.
The calories your being advised to eat cannot be right! 1100 would definitely be under your BMR!
I am on 1660 calories a day and the weight is coming off steadily. I try and stay easy from food with high sugar and fat contents and make sure my plate is always full of colour :happy:0 -
... Since I'm wildly impatient, I've gone to one of those "Physician Assisted Weight Loss" Centers starting about a month ago ...
Well it looks like you got what you asked for -- something that was *fast*, yes? :flowerforyou:
If you want that in a medically controlled setting, i'd go with what an earlier poster said:I'm going to say something that may come off as a bit cray. The only time low calorie diets are deemed Ok is if someone is under a doctor's care. The OP is under a doctor's care. Either get rid of the doctor's care loophole or admit that a VLCD can be Ok in certain situations. While it's not the way I'd go about it, if I found a doctor I trusted enough to start this process with I'd probably see it thru. Honestly, 1200 isn't a magical number. 100 calories above or below doesn't make it or break it.0 -
yeah listen to the internet, rather than a professional. sounds smart0
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Ahahahahhaha I love the saved by the bell direct quote0
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
There's never enough time! I don't have time to study, I don't have time to wash my hair!!!They first of all prescribed diet pills, which I quit after three days (felt like Jessie Spano on Saved by the Bell).
Give them back to me Zack I need them!!!
I'm so excited - I'm so excited - I'm so...so....SCARED!
*ahem* = sorry, moment's over. don't know what came over me. Hope your dr/weight situations get worked out
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The doc's office has a magical scale that reads your body composition. So yeah, woohoo I lost five pounds! But oh wait a minute, it's the part you want to keep. Great advice, geesh
That "magical scale" is using BIA which is highly innacurate.......It varies widely based on hydration etc. It is nearly impossible that you lost 5 lbs and it is all muscle. If you are really worried about losing muscle I would start lifting weights (instead of or in addition to Zumba) and making sure you are getting sufficient protein. And yes.....1100 calories is too low.0 -
Truth- I did seek out the help of specialist. However, I am very interested in people who are actually DOING this. I sought professional help initially because I really thought diet pills could be a good aid to get me going. Turns out they're just not for me. If I can get some valuable information and support here for free, then awesome!
I'm 5'7" and 194 lbs. I've dropped 16.5 lbs since January, down from 210.5. I eat about 1800 calories/day, give or take. Check out this link if you feel like what you're doing isn't for you: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/952996-level-obstacles-lose-weight-target-fat-easy0 -
I eat clean, 1000 calories a day until I reach my goal, then I'll up it to 1300 or so. I also work out 2-3 hours a day. I don't count my workout calories against my food--that is just extra fat being burned and muscle being created right now, I will start adding calories to compensate once I hit my weight loss goal. I've been down this road before, and know it works.
By the way, before someone mentions it, the reason for my 35 pound weight gain was a medical problem and associated medications. I was able to loose weight and maintain that weight loss for over 10 years until the medical problem kicked in and took a couple of years to resolve.
Edited to add, I'm 5'6.5", curvy even when my BMI is bordering on underweight.0 -
You know your body better than anyone, I feel if your gut tells you don't do it, then do not go there. find a healthy way to lose weight. count calories add some strength training, continue cardio. You will see changes. Drugs and litmiting your food intake will mess with your body0
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Dr.'s recieve very little training in nutrition. There stock answer most of the time is to hand out a 1200 calorie sheet. I had my Dr. once tell me I couldn't lose any weight at 2000 calories.0
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What makes you think you lost 5 pounds of muscle?
Exactly.
To the OP:
Why go to a specialized center and be seen by a medical doctor who has examined you and presumably taken a medical history and then ask for the input of unqualified strangers on the Internet?
You said you were "impatient," which is why she put you on an 1100 diet, which is not unhealthy as long as you eat a healthy, balanced diet.0 -
Diet pills do work for some people. They permit them to get down to a reasonable size while learning new habits. Obviously, they should be taken only under the supervision of a medical professional.0
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Agreed, any doctor in their right mind would not advise you to follow such a risky diet, a very catabolic diet! I'm worried for your thyroid!0
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So I'm trying to lose 40-50ish pounds off of my 5'7 frame. I'm currently at 200 even. Since I'm wildly impatient, I've gone to one of those "Physician Assisted Weight Loss" Centers starting about a month ago. They first of all prescribed diet pills, which I quit after three days (felt like Jessie Spano on Saved by the Bell). They also put me on a 1200 calorie diet with 90 grams of protein/ less than a hundred carbs. In the past month, I've dropped 5 pounds (all muscle, so ugh!) and five inches off my waist (Thank you Zumba). I went to the doc today, and she wants me to cut ANOTHER 100 calories. I really want to drop the fat and not my muscle, so this just sounds like bad ju-ju. I am open to any advice and suggestions.
Thanks!!!
i find it hard to believe you lost 5lb of muscle while eating 90g of protein a day but then everyone is different.
i think its cray cray that you would want to ignore the advice of someone i'm assuming you're paying a lot of money to - i say this as i did a doctor supervised, low cal, high protein diet last year (which worked amazingly well btw).
the reason why i'm back doing this is my own stupidity - i went right back to my old eating habits and can't afford to do the diet again.
i'd obviously never advocate doing very low cal unsupervised so i'd suggest if you want to do the sensible eating, slow loss version - i'd say, stop paying good money (if you are) for something you've not got a lot of confidence in and just stick to the very good, very free advice you'll get here (regarding eating above your BMR/below TDEE)
edit: mine did not include the diet pills (just suppliments) i'd steer clear of those.0 -
So I'm trying to lose 40-50ish pounds off of my 5'7 frame. I'm currently at 200 even. Since I'm wildly impatient, I've gone to one of those "Physician Assisted Weight Loss" Centers starting about a month ago. They first of all prescribed diet pills, which I quit after three days (felt like Jessie Spano on Saved by the Bell). They also put me on a 1200 calorie diet with 90 grams of protein/ less than a hundred carbs. In the past month, I've dropped 5 pounds (all muscle, so ugh!) and five inches off my waist (Thank you Zumba). I went to the doc today, and she wants me to cut ANOTHER 100 calories. I really want to drop the fat and not my muscle, so this just sounds like bad ju-ju. I am open to any advice and suggestions.
Thanks!!!
i find it hard to believe you lost 5lb of muscle while eating 90g of protein a day but then everyone is different.
i think its cray cray that you would want to ignore the advice of someone i'm assuming you're paying a lot of money to - i say this as i did a doctor supervised, low cal, high protein diet last year (which worked amazingly well btw).
I find it hard to believe that one would lose 5 pounds of muscle in a month. The answer is resistance training to maintain muscle.
1100 calories a day is not a lot of calories, but it's not considered medically to be "low calorie." Low calorie is 800 or less.0 -
So I'm trying to lose 40-50ish pounds off of my 5'7 frame. I'm currently at 200 even. Since I'm wildly impatient, I've gone to one of those "Physician Assisted Weight Loss" Centers starting about a month ago. They first of all prescribed diet pills, which I quit after three days (felt like Jessie Spano on Saved by the Bell). They also put me on a 1200 calorie diet with 90 grams of protein/ less than a hundred carbs. In the past month, I've dropped 5 pounds (all muscle, so ugh!) and five inches off my waist (Thank you Zumba). I went to the doc today, and she wants me to cut ANOTHER 100 calories. I really want to drop the fat and not my muscle, so this just sounds like bad ju-ju. I am open to any advice and suggestions.
Thanks!!!
i find it hard to believe you lost 5lb of muscle while eating 90g of protein a day but then everyone is different.
i think its cray cray that you would want to ignore the advice of someone i'm assuming you're paying a lot of money to - i say this as i did a doctor supervised, low cal, high protein diet last year (which worked amazingly well btw).
I find it hard to believe that one would lose 5 pounds of muscle in a month. The answer is resistance training to maintain muscle.
1100 calories a day is not a lot of calories, but it's not considered medically to be "low calorie." Low calorie is 800 or less.
re-read. i think she is saying 1100 calories GROSS, not NET. with the zumba, she's down in the VLCD area.0 -
Are you kidding? This is a doctor.
The doctors advice will automatically outweigh anything that anyone who has NEVER MET YOU has to say on the topic.
1100 calories is perfectly reasonable for a woman looking to lose weight.
You've got to remember that you are an older lady, Who probably doesnt burn 1000calories a day at work.
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She's 32.
OP, you could probably eat more. But the fact that you're on 90g protein is a good sign that your supervising doc knows what they're doing.
I'm 5'7", 37 years old and went from 194lbs to 158lbs in about 8 months (but I deliberately took my time eating at TDEE before races) eating about 1600 net calories... so after exercise was factored in, that was 2100 calories daily.
Those electrical impedence fat analysis machines are not accurate but they are good for comparison and trending if you use the same machine from week to week. Having said that, water levels fall into the lean mass category... you mostly would have lost water and glycogen, which is stored in the muscle. That's a pretty standard 1st week weight loss for most people...
If you follow the low calorie diet as prescribed, ask about bumping up the protein even a little more - to maybe 120g, and be sure to lift weights. If you do that, you should be able to retain as much lean mass as possible.
Or, you could eat more and lose more slowly. Your choice. Losing slowly gives you plenty of time to incorporate the changes you're making for life so you find that by the time you get to your goal, you're just living and no longer dieting.0 -
i just want to chime in (and agree!) that 1100 is too low for most everyone.
I currently weight 204, my calories are set to 1400, plus I eat back my exercise calories. (if you use MFP to estimate those calories though, be careful. I have seen them inflated as much as double what other sources will say). I admit i did stall for about 5 weeks, but i recently broke through that (yay!!!) and it's totally normal. (especially if you stop being diligent about logging!)
i suspect that the "professionals" at weight loss clinics know that their patients are desperate. Of course they have to do something crazy and drastic like suggest a severely restrictive diet... if the patients get impatient bc it's not happening fast enough, they stop paying for help. I hate to say it but, it's in the financial best interests of weight loss centers to provide the kind of help that leads to yo-yo dieting (which is what overly-restrictive diets tend to lead to). Lose it fast, the patient feels successful, thinks the weight loss clinic did it's job. A few years later when all the weight is back on, they will blame themselves, and return for more "treatment." Call me a cynic.0 -
Are you kidding? This is a doctor.
The doctors advice will automatically outweigh anything that anyone who has NEVER MET YOU has to say on the topic.
1100 calories is perfectly reasonable for a woman looking to lose weight.
You've got to remember that you are an older lady, Who probably doesnt burn 1000calories a day at work.
Of course, you will have to eat a LOT of vegetables and healthy food sources for this to be ok.
I see you're averaging around 1400 a day at the moment, and you're not losing weight.
Obviously if the current total is not low enough for weight loss, you need to go lower.
If you're a chubby person, as you say, you definitely did not 5lbs of muscle. Thats ridiculous.
:drinker: Well said! /end thread
In the words of Albert Einstein “Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them.”
If eating at or above said calorie intake created the problem, and/or stalls you out then it's time for a new approach. If it's under the doctor's supervision, then it's ok. The doctor isn't going to risk a malpractice suit giving you bad info just so you can drop a few pounds.
Keep in mind, this doctor has a MEDICAL DEGREE, which is nothing to turn your nose up at. It takes a lot of hard work and time to obtain one...How many of these people on the forums have anywhere near the same qualifications?
PS: If you eat high carb, and low fat of course you'll be hungry all the time. Keep your protein, and fats high and cut back on the carbs a bit. The meat and healthy fats keep you fuller much longer than a bowl of pasta. You'd be surprised how much you can eat with a 1200 calorie budget and stay full all day.
I routinely eat around 1200 calories (sometimes less, but not intentional) and stay full all the time. It's all about hitting the right numbers.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying carbs are evil, I'm just saying they're not as filling as fat and protein. Take that however you want.0 -
you're right to think your doc is cray cray. 1100 is NOT enough to fuel your body, especially if you're going to be exercising and possibly lifting (i recommend taking off the "possibly" since lifting is amazing!). you've come to the right place, though. lots of people here who may not be accredited experts (or maybe some are?) but should be because they speak the gospel!!!
good luck xooxoxo.0 -
A 5'3" person may or may not be able to do well on 1100-1200. It depends on how much weight their body is having to support currently.
Eating exercise calories back, total diet is more like 1400 on exercise days. It can be done. You just have got to do great planning, make sure you choose filling foods, lean meats, fruits, cut some things like unnecessary bread or starches, and space meals and lean snacks evenly through the day so that you don't feel "hungry" all day.
Recommended sustainable weight loss is one pound a week.
Set your MFP on "Lightly Active", it will calculate your TDEE, then it subtracts 500 calories a day (recommended to lose a pound a week). This is a healthy and sustainable weight lose.
In my opinion, it is okay to lose some muscle if you have weight to lose. Muscle is built as you are working out. If you've been sedentary, either cardio or lifting will do.
If people have a lot of weight to lose, the first goal is to lose weight. Muscle can be built over time. I wouldn't worry too much about it. It just needs to be nurtured as you go. It's easier on the whole body to move less weight. On knees, for every pound loss, I think I read in Prevention magazine lately it's four times that amount of pressure of your knees.
Now, a 5'3" person lifting heavy probably cannot support their lifting on 1100-1200. Lifting creates a very different situation to plan for. Not sure I've figured it out myself as I transition to some lifting. I do know that it is difficult to build muscle on a deficit, but not impossible. I was gaining in muscle areas and losing in fatty areas over the last four months. Just be intentional, smart, consistent, reasonable, and faithful in your approach and it will all come together.
really agree with everything you said...I am 5'3 eating around 1600 cals average..with intermettent fasting and some 20 lb barbell squats and walking and rebounding(mini trampoline) and i am losing average 1 .5 lbs per week. I weigh 196
less bread and more protein0 -
Are you kidding? This is a doctor.
The doctors advice will automatically outweigh anything that anyone who has NEVER MET YOU has to say on the topic.
1100 calories is perfectly reasonable for a woman looking to lose weight.
You've got to remember that you are an older lady, Who probably doesnt burn 1000calories a day at work.
(...)
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
She's 32.
OP, you could probably eat more. But the fact that you're on 90g protein is a good sign that your supervising doc knows what they're doing.
I'm 5'7", 37 years old and went from 194lbs to 158lbs in about 8 months (but I deliberately took my time eating at TDEE before races) eating about 1600 net calories... so after exercise was factored in, that was 2100 calories daily.
Those electrical impedence fat analysis machines are not accurate but they are good for comparison and trending if you use the same machine from week to week. Having said that, water levels fall into the lean mass category... you mostly would have lost water and glycogen, which is stored in the muscle. That's a pretty standard 1st week weight loss for most people...
If you follow the low calorie diet as prescribed, ask about bumping up the protein even a little more - to maybe 120g, and be sure to lift weights. If you do that, you should be able to retain as much lean mass as possible.
Or, you could eat more and lose more slowly. Your choice. Losing slowly gives you plenty of time to incorporate the changes you're making for life so you find that by the time you get to your goal, you're just living and no longer dieting.
No, the OP is not old, but many people's metabolisms start slowing down in their late 20s and the OP is already 200 pounds. You're right, she can choose to lose more slowly, but SHE was the one who said she was impatient and 1100 is not unhealthy if you eat right. It sounds as if the doctor has responded to her expressed interests and the OP is simply balking at doing what's required. Weight loss is not easy.
Doctors aren't gods, but this is a physician who works at a specialized center and must see hundreds, if not thousands of patients a year. She probably keeps up with the literature on weight loss. If I were the OP I would follow her recommendations.0 -
Are you kidding? This is a doctor.
The doctors advice will automatically outweigh anything that anyone who has NEVER MET YOU has to say on the topic.
1100 calories is perfectly reasonable for a woman looking to lose weight.
You've got to remember that you are an older lady, Who probably doesnt burn 1000calories a day at work.
(...)
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
She's 32.
OP, you could probably eat more. But the fact that you're on 90g protein is a good sign that your supervising doc knows what they're doing.
I'm 5'7", 37 years old and went from 194lbs to 158lbs in about 8 months (but I deliberately took my time eating at TDEE before races) eating about 1600 net calories... so after exercise was factored in, that was 2100 calories daily.
Those electrical impedence fat analysis machines are not accurate but they are good for comparison and trending if you use the same machine from week to week. Having said that, water levels fall into the lean mass category... you mostly would have lost water and glycogen, which is stored in the muscle. That's a pretty standard 1st week weight loss for most people...
If you follow the low calorie diet as prescribed, ask about bumping up the protein even a little more - to maybe 120g, and be sure to lift weights. If you do that, you should be able to retain as much lean mass as possible.
Or, you could eat more and lose more slowly. Your choice. Losing slowly gives you plenty of time to incorporate the changes you're making for life so you find that by the time you get to your goal, you're just living and no longer dieting.
No, the OP is not old, but many people's metabolisms start slowing down in their late 20s and the OP is already 200 pounds. You're right, she can choose to lose more slowly, but SHE was the one who said she was impatient and 1100 is not unhealthy if you eat right. It sounds as if the doctor has responded to her expressed interests and the OP is simply balking at doing what's required. Weight loss is not easy.
Doctors aren't gods, but this is a physician who works at a specialized center and must see hundreds, if not thousands of patients a year. She probably keeps up with the literature on weight loss. If I were the OP I would follow her recommendations.
Our metabolism doesn't slow down because of age.
Metabolism slows down only as a result of loss of muscle mass as we age and become more sedentary. http://www.livestrong.com/article/501141-what-age-does-your-metabolism-slow-down/
In fact, at 200 lbs her metabolism is probably used to burning lots of fuel... it is probably quite quick, it just can't keep up with her food intake. But because she's hauling around 200 lbs with her everywhere she goes, she's probably got some fairly strong muscle under there. By eating and lifting to retain it, she'll be miles ahead of the average skinny fat person.0 -
Are you kidding? This is a doctor.
The doctors advice will automatically outweigh anything that anyone who has NEVER MET YOU has to say on the topic.
1100 calories is perfectly reasonable for a woman looking to lose weight.
You've got to remember that you are an older lady, Who probably doesnt burn 1000calories a day at work.
Of course, you will have to eat a LOT of vegetables and healthy food sources for this to be ok.
I see you're averaging around 1400 a day at the moment, and you're not losing weight.
Obviously if the current total is not low enough for weight loss, you need to go lower.
If you're a chubby person, as you say, you definitely did not 5lbs of muscle. Thats ridiculous.
:drinker: Well said! /end thread
In the words of Albert Einstein “Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them.”
If eating at or above said calorie intake created the problem, and/or stalls you out then it's time for a new approach. If it's under the doctor's supervision, then it's ok. The doctor isn't going to risk a malpractice suit giving you bad info just so you can drop a few pounds.
Keep in mind, this doctor has a MEDICAL DEGREE, which is nothing to turn your nose up at. It takes a lot of hard work and time to obtain one...How many of these people on the forums have anywhere near the same qualifications?
PS: If you eat high carb, and low fat of course you'll be hungry all the time. Keep your protein, and fats high and cut back on the carbs a bit. The meat and healthy fats keep you fuller much longer than a bowl of pasta. You'd be surprised how much you can eat with a 1200 calorie budget and stay full all day.
I routinely eat around 1200 calories (sometimes less, but not intentional) and stay full all the time. It's all about hitting the right numbers.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying carbs are evil, I'm just saying they're not as filling as fat and protein. Take that however you want.
Dr. Oz would like to thank you for coming to his defense and remind you to start your day off with green coffee bean extract and raspberry ketones for maximal weight loss.
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To me, the only thing those diet doctors give you that you can't get on your own are the diet pills/injections. If those aren't working for you (and IMO good thing you found that out sooner than later), it seems a colossal waste of money to have them tell you to eat less (at least based on how much those programs cost in my area, THAT is cray cray).
I would get on here, figure out your TDEE and do something sustainable. If you keep on being highly impatient, you are going to fall for every fad diet plan out there and be back every year when you can't keep the weight off. Take some time, figure out how to eat sustainably for the rest of your life.0 -
The doc's office has a magical scale that reads your body composition. So yeah, woohoo I lost five pounds! But oh wait a minute, it's the part you want to keep. Great advice, geesh
Those scales are worthless. If you dropped 5 lbs. in a month at your height/weight, I expect the majority of it was fat. Eleven hundred calories seems low to me, but this is your doctor and her opinion certainly trumps some stranger on the internet.0 -
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I'm going to say something that may come off as a bit cray. The only time low calorie diets are deemed Ok is if someone is under a doctor's care. The OP is under a doctor's care. Either get rid of the doctor's care loophole or admit that a VLCD can be Ok in certain situations. While it's not the way I'd go about it, if I found a doctor I trusted enough to start this process with I'd probably see it thru. Honestly, 1200 isn't a magical number. 100 calories above or below doesn't make it or break it.
Would you trust a doctor that said that the 5lb loss she had was all muscle and that reducing calories by 100 would make the next 5lb all fat? Based on a BIA device.
Although, I really hope that was a misunderstanding/miscommunication of what the doctor was actually saying.
It's not that I trust doctors it's that once I finally decide that a problem has gone beyond the limits of my bioscience capabilities and finally see a doc, I'm going to listen to the doc and not Internet randoms. If I seriously question the doc, I'll get the opinion of a second doc.
Add in that the OP could be misunderstanding the doc's statement just like you suggested, or the OP could be withholding important information from us, intentionally or not. So many come back after pages of replies and start revealing health history or previous injuries that would have altered the responses.0 -
Are you kidding? This is a doctor.
The doctors advice will automatically outweigh anything that anyone who has NEVER MET YOU has to say on the topic.
1100 calories is perfectly reasonable for a woman looking to lose weight.
You've got to remember that you are an older lady, Who probably doesnt burn 1000calories a day at work.
Of course, you will have to eat a LOT of vegetables and healthy food sources for this to be ok.
I see you're averaging around 1400 a day at the moment, and you're not losing weight.
Obviously if the current total is not low enough for weight loss, you need to go lower.
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This. If you eat plenty of veg and fruit, the OP can do it. Maybe not long term but at first, certainly.The doc's office has a magical scale that reads your body composition. So yeah, woohoo I lost five pounds! But oh wait a minute, it's the part you want to keep. Great advice, geesh
Those scales are worthless. If you dropped 5 lbs. in a month at your height/weight, I expect the majority of it was fat. Eleven hundred calories seems low to me, but this is your doctor and her opinion certainly trumps some stranger on the internet.0
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