Politics make me grumpy.
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Dude, marriage is much older than the Catholic Church.
Of course & always a religious institution.
Not always. How can two atheists get married if it's only a religious institution?
Your initial argument really makes no sense at all. Historically, maybe, but it's many years now since people have been getting married in non-religious ceremonies by non-religious officiants (is that the right word?). There can be religiously-sanctioned marriages and gay marriage all at the same time without the government telling churches what to do. The government can legalize gay marriage without telling religious institutions that they HAVE TO perform and sanction the marriages. This isn't an either-or situation.
At one time marriage was not considered binding until the couples had the big S. As it was recognized as also in part as the biological union of 2 people. Now then that should bring the wrath of many upon me !!!!0 -
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The word your looking for is secular. Don't blame me whenever two atheists are hypocrites. Personally, I think every devote atheist should be mad as hell that the state recognizes marriages officiate by a priest Catholic or druid.0
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I enjoy politics when I'm discussing it with someone intelligent, with a moderated and informed view, and who is capable of understanding opposing viewpoints. By any measure running a country is a complex business, and understanding it isn't as easy as most would like to believe.0
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You say you're tired of politics.......and then you post about politics.....
Werd.
I like shoes. And cheeseburgers. Can we talk about these things?
Although, on this site, those topics are equally divisive.
Politics are fun, in moderation. :bigsmile:0 -
You are correct. It still is that way, somewhat, which is why you can get an annulment for lack of sex in a marriage.Dude, marriage is much older than the Catholic Church.
Of course & always a religious institution.
Not always. How can two atheists get married if it's only a religious institution?
Your initial argument really makes no sense at all. Historically, maybe, but it's many years now since people have been getting married in non-religious ceremonies by non-religious officiants (is that the right word?). There can be religiously-sanctioned marriages and gay marriage all at the same time without the government telling churches what to do. The government can legalize gay marriage without telling religious institutions that they HAVE TO perform and sanction the marriages. This isn't an either-or situation.
At one time marriage was not considered binding until the couples had the big S. As it was recognized as also in part as the biological union of 2 people. Now then that should bring the wrath of many upon me !!!!
Interestingly, it didn't matter which order the sex happened, either. If a couple had sex THEN had a marriage ceremony, that pre-marital sex counted as consummation of the marriage.
As to the guy who thinks atheists who get married are hypocrites, you're just reaching to make your "argument" valid. It isn't. Things change and evolve in the world.0 -
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Gah, I LOVE Jon Stewart. I'm going to marry him one day.
And, I'm a political science major, so I've heard it all. It makes me frustrated at times (especially sweeping generalizations about ANYBODY) but I ♥ politics so much!0 -
Back to the OP's observation, the bumper sticker crudely expresses what I have seen, is that a portion of those that call themselves liberal, have no allegiance to the US. Criticizing is great, but these people simply don't like the US.0
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Can't help it. Been holding onto this image for WAY TOO LONG now.
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LOL Love it
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.
William F. Buckley, Jr.0 -
Gah, I LOVE Jon Stewart. I'm going to marry him one day.
And, I'm a political science major, so I've heard it all. It makes me frustrated at times (especially sweeping generalizations about ANYBODY) but I ♥ politics so much!
Not if I marry him first! I have a thing for older dudes. And no, I don't have daddy issues! lol0 -
Gah, I LOVE Jon Stewart. I'm going to marry him one day.
And, I'm a political science major, so I've heard it all. It makes me frustrated at times (especially sweeping generalizations about ANYBODY) but I ♥ politics so much!
Not if I marry him first! I have a thing for older dudes. And no, I don't have daddy issues! lol
We can always share! I'm a pretty sharing person, so I wouldn't mind. You down for that?
Oh, and I tend to like older men too. I don't know why, but I do.0 -
My stance on politics can be described by the lyrics from the Korn song "Politics"0
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...If marriage isn't a religious institution then why are so many marriages performed by clergy? Marriage is a sacrament of the Roman Catholic church, which was established approximately 1300 years before our country...
Marriage is a social contract. It tends to share associations and customs with whatever religion is celebrated in a given area. It's not a Catholic thing. There is no requirement for clergy to perform a "ceremony" of marriage. People ALL OVER the world for EONS have been entering into these contracts.
ETA: Marriage is an agreement between people (and may or may not include a god) with expectations regarding family, sharing of resources, rights and responsibilities, inheritance, sexual behavior, etc. Marriage contracts are not the same everywhere, and they weren't just suddenly invented a couple thousand years ago. My marriage contract happens to include God, but that's me. I'm not arrogant enough to think my way is the only way that exists on this earth. Just because some people may not believe in a god, doesn't mean they aren't capable of forming an exclusive marriage bond with another human being.0 -
My stance on politics can be described by the lyrics from the Korn song "Politics"
Love that song!0 -
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Gah, I LOVE Jon Stewart. I'm going to marry him one day.
And, I'm a political science major, so I've heard it all. It makes me frustrated at times (especially sweeping generalizations about ANYBODY) but I ♥ politics so much!
Me too.0 -
Gah, I LOVE Jon Stewart. I'm going to marry him one day.
And, I'm a political science major, so I've heard it all. It makes me frustrated at times (especially sweeping generalizations about ANYBODY) but I ♥ politics so much!
Not if I marry him first! I have a thing for older dudes. And no, I don't have daddy issues! lol
We can always share! I'm a pretty sharing person, so I wouldn't mind. You down for that?
Oh, and I tend to like older men too. I don't know why, but I do.
I'm down! I like his gray hair *swoon*
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I enjoy politics when I'm discussing it with someone intelligent, with a moderated and informed view, and who is capable of understanding opposing viewpoints. By any measure running a country is a complex business, and understanding it isn't as easy as most would like to believe.
So much truth in this statement.0 -
Gah, I LOVE Jon Stewart. I'm going to marry him one day.
And, I'm a political science major, so I've heard it all. It makes me frustrated at times (especially sweeping generalizations about ANYBODY) but I ♥ politics so much!
Not if I marry him first! I have a thing for older dudes. And no, I don't have daddy issues! lol
We can always share! I'm a pretty sharing person, so I wouldn't mind. You down for that?
Oh, and I tend to like older men too. I don't know why, but I do.
I'm down! I like his gray hair *swoon*
Hell yes! I like his... EVERYTHING! He's just so perfect!
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I enjoy politics when I'm discussing it with someone intelligent, with a moderated and informed view, and who is capable of understanding opposing viewpoints. By any measure running a country is a complex business, and understanding it isn't as easy as most would like to believe.
So much truth in this statement.
I agree with this too! I'll gladly discuss politics with people who don't agree with me (mostly because I'm a grown adult and I understand that not everybody will) but only if they actually know what's going on. I don't like the people who are just really rude and disrespectful to other views (even those that I disagree with) and I don't like the ones who can come up with a conspiracy for ANYTHING!0 -
Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. George Orwell
Man is by nature a political animal.
Aristotle
"The Democrats are the party of government activism, the party that says government can make you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweed out of your lawn. Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then get elected and prove it." —P.J. O'Rourke, Parliament of *kitten*
Where is the justice of political power if it executes the murderer and jails the plunderer, and then itself marches upon neighboring lands, killing thousands and pillaging the very hills? Khalil Gibran
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies." —Groucho Marx
The basis of our political system is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government.
George Washington
Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.
Mark Twain
Most of the energy of political work is devoted to correcting the effects of mismanagement of government.
Milton Friedman
One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.
Plato
There is no act of treachery or meanness of which a political party is not capable; for in politics there is no honour.
Benjamin Disraeli
In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.
- Autobiography of Mark Twain0 -
Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. George Orwell
Man is by nature a political animal.
Aristotle
"The Democrats are the party of government activism, the party that says government can make you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweed out of your lawn. Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then get elected and prove it." —P.J. O'Rourke, Parliament of *kitten*
Where is the justice of political power if it executes the murderer and jails the plunderer, and then itself marches upon neighboring lands, killing thousands and pillaging the very hills? Khalil Gibran
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies." —Groucho Marx
The basis of our political system is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government.
George Washington
Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.
Mark Twain
Most of the energy of political work is devoted to correcting the effects of mismanagement of government.
Milton Friedman
One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.
Plato
There is no act of treachery or meanness of which a political party is not capable; for in politics there is no honour.
Benjamin Disraeli
In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.
- Autobiography of Mark Twain
Haha, I approve of all of these quotes.
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I enjoy politics when I'm discussing it with someone intelligent, with a moderated and informed view, and who is capable of understanding opposing viewpoints. By any measure running a country is a complex business, and understanding it isn't as easy as most would like to believe.
So much truth in this statement.
I agree with this too! I'll gladly discuss politics with people who don't agree with me (mostly because I'm a grown adult and I understand that not everybody will) but only if they actually know what's going on. I don't like the people who are just really rude and disrespectful to other views (even those that I disagree with) and I don't like the ones who can come up with a conspiracy for ANYTHING!
This this this. Though, unfortunately, my Poly Sci teacher has now planted the seed of conspiracy in my brain about the Boston bombing, saying that it could possibly be a diversion attracting national attention away from the negotiations with North Korea... I'm not saying I buy into it, but the seed is there and now I can't get it to go away. :-/ lol0 -
I am really impressed with the control everyone is having on this thread. I wasn't going to venture onto here because of the touchy subject, but am relieved I did. One was saying about facebook and how hard it is to read the vile things posted. Me too.
I am a Republicrat myself...dont fit into either party and am frustrated about how much money and time is wasted. I wouldnt run my household like that. What credentials should the incoming President have? Shouldnt she/he have a degree in finance management in order to make up a budget? What about being the leader of our country? Shouldn't he or she have served in the military? Anyone who can read a teleprompter can be President these days or so it seems... 0 -
...If marriage isn't a religious institution then why are so many marriages performed by clergy? Marriage is a sacrament of the Roman Catholic church, which was established approximately 1300 years before our country...
Marriage is a social contract. It tends to share associations and customs with whatever religion is celebrated in a given area. It's not a Catholic thing. There is no requirement for clergy to perform a "ceremony" of marriage. People ALL OVER the world for EONS have been entering into these contracts.
ETA: Marriage is an agreement between people (and may or may not include a god) with expectations regarding family, sharing of resources, rights and responsibilities, inheritance, sexual behavior, etc. Marriage contracts are not the same everywhere, and they weren't just suddenly invented a couple thousand years ago. My marriage contract happens to include God, but that's me. I'm not arrogant enough to think my way is the only way that exists on this earth. Just because some people may not believe in a god, doesn't mean they aren't capable of forming an exclusive marriage bond with another human being.
Hear hear!0 -
Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. George Orwell
Man is by nature a political animal.
Aristotle
"The Democrats are the party of government activism, the party that says government can make you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweed out of your lawn. Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then get elected and prove it." —P.J. O'Rourke, Parliament of *kitten*
Where is the justice of political power if it executes the murderer and jails the plunderer, and then itself marches upon neighboring lands, killing thousands and pillaging the very hills? Khalil Gibran
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies." —Groucho Marx
The basis of our political system is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government.
George Washington
Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.
Mark Twain
Most of the energy of political work is devoted to correcting the effects of mismanagement of government.
Milton Friedman
One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.
Plato
There is no act of treachery or meanness of which a political party is not capable; for in politics there is no honour.
Benjamin Disraeli
In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.
- Autobiography of Mark Twain
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I don't discriminate, I hate both parties equally! I don't care if you're democrat or republican I think the moron's up on Capitol Hill just need to get their s*** together!
side note: I'm not saying I actually hate anybody in particular, or that I would discriminate against people... I just don't like what's happening right now, and I think both parties are in the wrong!0 -
Back to the OP's observation, the bumper sticker crudely expresses what I have seen, is that a portion of those that call themselves liberal, have no allegiance to the US. Criticizing is great, but these people simply don't like the US.
:-/ Since when is wishing for government reform and being dissatisfied with the current state of affairs "having no allegiance to the U.S."? I love my country, I really do. I just wish that more people in power would act like they do, instead of wasting what little money I make on sessions that accomplish literally nothing...
I am a registered Democrat but I did not vote for Obama. I don't have anything against him personally, but I don't want to feed into the 2-party system. For this next election cycle I will be supporting a third party candidate and fighting to get them the media coverage they deserve (but are often denied). Will they win? Almost assuredly not. But people in the U.S. need to realize that the reason there are "only" two choices is because... well... they keep voting for them!!0
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